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Motorola to adjust strict Bootloader Lock policy?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/
Looks like future Motorola devices might be better off than the DroidX/2/Milestone.
If you are too lazy to read, Moto stated:
"We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability."
Not sure how nobody has posted this yet...
EDIT: Looks like this was mentioned in this thread already. Anyway we'll see what happens.

They have posted it all over the internetz and the general consensus is that Moto will just keep locking the bootloaders.
We can always hope though...

Mortalys77 said:
They have posted it all over the internetz and the general consensus is that Moto will just keep locking the bootloaders.
We can always hope though...
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Moto did not have to come out and say this.
What is your reasoning that they will just continue to keep it locked if they outright say they aren't?
and in their statement, who would their "partners" be? The carriers?

Hmmmm interesting
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Yes you are right I know it has been posted many places. I was curious to hear the thoughts of people in this forum in particular some devs. I trust XDA forum opinion above others .
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sciulli999 said:
What is your reasoning that they will just continue to keep it locked if they outright say they aren't?
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Because they won't unlock it now, and this was just of a damage control thing.

They won't unlock the bootloader forbthis phone likely ever, but it is starting to look like they are going to work for their phones being development friendly judging by their recent response on facebook or twitter. I can't find it now, but they did state that they would like their phones to be more dev friendly
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Actually, the link is in the first post(OP). that is at least promising
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sciulli999 said:
Moto did not have to come out and say this.
What is your reasoning that they will just continue to keep it locked if they outright say they aren't?
and in their statement, who would their "partners" be? The carriers?
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They definitely had a reason to come out and say this. It was a direct response to: http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/1...er-to-buy-elsewhere-if-they-want-custom-roms/
I don't get the feeling that their willing to unlock any of their current phones. Someone would've said something by now if they were really working with devs.

What's most likely is they will phones through google unlocked but not discounted by the cell companies.
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Protecting users? That line makes it sound like you would have to go out of your way to unlock the bootloaders. Either by giving up warranty rights beforehand, or buying a "development model", at unsubsidized pricing. Either way is reasonable, but as an average joe, I like warranties and cheap/er phones lol
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Well rumor mill is there will be an optional ota that will unlock bootloader. Your warrenty will be void BC it shows on your esn number.
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papi92 said:
Well rumor mill is there will be an optional ota that will unlock bootloader. Your warrenty will be void BC it shows on your esn number.
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Wow, this would be very cool, where are you seeing rumors like this?
If it comes out as an OTA then I'll just wait for the devs to get it and break it apart so we can finally have an unlocked bootloader without having to SBF to get the OTA.
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Just a friend. Its an idea there tossing around you wont need to sbf as its optional and only unlocking bootloader which will show on your esn and void your warranty
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honestly I would take the loss of my manufacturer warranty as long as I still have assurian for lost or damaged I'm cool just give me an unlock option and I would stay with motorola

Im not sure if it voids your whole warrenty. I will have to get back on that as it seems this isn't the set plan yet.
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papi92 said:
Im not sure if it voids your whole warrenty. I will have to get back on that as it seems this isn't the set plan yet.
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Where are you getting your information?

My neighbor is on the team that develops for moto
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Alot of you guys have a good point. However. Papi92 is a liar. Show some proof and ill give u the benefit of the doubt. Till then you are just gonna be a liar in my book
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ksizzle9 said:
Alot of you guys have a good point. However. Papi92 is a liar. Show some proof and ill give u the benefit of the doubt. Till then you are just gonna be a liar in my book
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Do not listen to this man! Look at his post count! "Posts: 666"

Att not gonna be unlockable?!?!

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/15/htc-one-att-bootloader/
you guys think this is true?? I hope not!
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Was the one x unlockable on at&t? Nope... I imagine they will continue this trend. I mean... Why not.
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spitfire2425 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/15/htc-one-att-bootloader/
you guys think this is true?? I hope not!
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I think it's true... considering that HTC themselves said so...

If it is would it be a big deal? I don't know how HTC phones work really, I've modded a evo once but that's it. I've been a Sammy user for 3 years.
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spitfire2425 said:
If it is would it be a big deal? I don't know how HTC phones work really, I've modded a evo once but that's it. I've been a Sammy user for 3 years.
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Yup... Means no custom roms until someone finds an exploit.
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That sucks. How long did it take for the one x? Also how long would it take for the one?
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If I remember the AT&T one x had a bootloader unlock in a matter of weeks.

bobruels44 said:
If I remember the AT&T one x had a bootloader unlock in a matter of weeks.
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Well... A month the first time. Then they updated the firmware and that took about 5 months to crack... Still can't root the latest update... I'd be willing to bet we'll be waiting a long time. But hey, maybe this device will get popular.
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Does this mean anything for the tmo version, or does no mention of it mean that tmo's will be bootloader unlockable?
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Darn, I guess no more tethering to my tablet once I get my new phone??

maidguitar said:
Does this mean anything for the tmo version, or does no mention of it mean that tmo's will be bootloader unlockable?
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This question has been answered many times
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lol, looks like you guys got the ol' bait and switch

I am hoping I get mine early so I can use HTCDev to unlock it before that gets disabled. I am not optimistic about it though.

It might already be locked out if att is shipping it.
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This may mean hello to the s4... dang.
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It's still unlockable.
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Don't know why people are suprised by this. They locked every htc in recent history and also the Dev version would be completely irrelevant if you could unlock the AT&T version.
M.

mattman83 said:
Don't know why people are suprised by this. They locked every htc in recent history and also the Dev version would be completely irrelevant if you could unlock the AT&T version.
M.
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Not the one xl +

mattman83 said:
Don't know why people are suprised by this. They locked every htc in recent history and also the Dev version would be completely irrelevant if you could unlock the AT&T version.
M.
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I'm surprised because I didn't know that. As a samsung user I don't pay much attention to htc.
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Now that the phone has been out for a weekend by AT&T, is there any definitive proof that the AT&T one can still unlock the bootloader via HTC dev post 4/19?
Has anyone attempted it? Or are people receiving retail units with the bootloader locked?

Sign Petition to allow T-MOBILE SIM Unlocking

http://www.change.org/petitions/t-mobile-enact-common-sense-sim-unlock-policy#share
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Doesn't tmobile already sim unlock, and for free?
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Zzzzzzzz
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Once your phone is paid off they will unlock it if you're using EIP...if you purchased full price and have had your account over 40 days they will unlock it...don't see the need for a petition lol

Do these things really help?
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coupetastic-droid said:
Doesn't tmobile already sim unlock, and for free?
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They change their policy in April 2013. They are giving people that purchased at full price a headache to unlock their phones...
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ahernandez4110 said:
They change their policy in April 2013. They are giving people that purchased at full price a headache to unlock their phones...
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So is AT&T.
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droidiac13 said:
Do these things really help?
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Nope. But it makes people feel better and that seems to be what matters most...
MG

As long as you bought the phone outright you can unlock it. I just sim unlocked my at&t varient.

Online sim unlocking services...

I don't get it. I unlocked my SIM by paying some guy (I forgot his sellers is name) on EBay $3.50
Why is there a need for a petition?
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At the moment, in the USA, sim unlocking by anyone except the carrier is technically illegal. The exemption was removed. I think they are working on taking care of that though. On that same note T-Mobile should let you sim unlock if you ask. Remember you can always ask for a supervisor.
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shinji257 said:
At the moment, in the USA, sim unlocking by anyone except the carrier is technically illegal. The exemption was removed. I think they are working on taking care of that though. On that same note T-Mobile should let you sim unlock if you ask. Remember you can always ask for a supervisor.
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It isn't technically illegal, it is just plain illegal.

stevedebi said:
It isn't technically illegal, it is just plain illegal.
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There already was a petition on the whitehouse site to remove that bit and they responded to it.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/its-time-legalize-cell-phone-unlocking

Should I get the RAZR m?

I took my RAZR i back for a refund today, after realising I couldn't put Cyanogenmod on it. I am now looking at the RAZR m, it looks like the same phone except no intel processor and 4G capability. Would I be able to put CM on there? Some say it is not possible to unlock the bootloader?
Since it is not available in the UK, I will need to buy it from the US. I've found a few unlocked versions on ebay, but they are unlocked to GSM networks. Does this mean my Three sim card won't be compatible? Will I be able to access 3G/4G?
Thanks

It is possible to use a RAZR M on UK GSM networks, but you will only get up to 3g speeds.
As for CM, you should find out what software version the phone is on if you plan on buying it secondhand.
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Sure. Get it. Why not.
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What software version would I want?

jjl5590 said:
What software version would I want?
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just make sure the build date is prior to 5/2013

The software version is crucial. If it is from July, then you do NOT want it. Otherwise, you can say goodbye to the latest CM versions and other Roms.
Make sure if you do find the right version, that you unlock that phone immediately before an OTA screws your chances of unlock.
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CrocadileUT78 said:
The software version is crucial. If it is from July, then you do NOT want it. Otherwise, you can say goodbye to the latest CM versions and other Roms.
Make sure if you do find the right version, that you unlock that phone immediately before an OTA screws your chances of unlock.
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Damn, i bought one off ebay without asking that question, i'll try and find out

jjl5590 said:
Damn, i bought one off ebay without asking that question, i'll try and find out
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If you bought it new, chances are its still on 4.1.1, which means you can unlock.
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Leraeniesh said:
If you bought it new, chances are its still on 4.1.1, which means you can unlock.
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Unfortunately I bought it used on ebay, but the seller told me he's almost positive it was manufactured before July 2013. Hopefully it will be ok, otherwise I will have to sell it.

jjl5590 said:
Unfortunately I bought it used on ebay, but the seller told me he's almost positive it was manufactured before July 2013. Hopefully it will be ok, otherwise I will have to sell it.
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ask him for a screenshot of the "about phone" screen

jco23 said:
ask him for a screenshot of the "about phone" screen
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I did but he told me he'd already posted it. Since it's a used phone, what do you reckon the chances would be that I can unlock the bootloader and put on CM?

jjl5590 said:
I did but he told me he'd already posted it. Since it's a used phone, what do you reckon the chances would be that I can unlock the bootloader and put on CM?
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Slim. You'll just have to hope he hasn't updated, or return it if he has.
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Leraeniesh said:
Slim. You'll just have to hope he hasn't updated, or return it if he has.
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Oh no
And after I took back my RAZR i for the very same reason! Just cant win.
Could this be of any help? http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/0...zr-m-and-atrix-hd-bootloader-unlock-released/

jjl5590 said:
Oh no
And after I took back my RAZR i for the very same reason! Just cant win.
Could this be of any help? http://www.droid-life.com/2013/04/0...zr-m-and-atrix-hd-bootloader-unlock-released/
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That is the unlock method that Moto patched in May.
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jjl5590 said:
I did but he told me he'd already posted it. Since it's a used phone, what do you reckon the chances would be that I can unlock the bootloader and put on CM?
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well, if the seller claims that the bootloader is unlocked, then I would hold him to it. if you get it, and the bootloader is not, then you have a legitimate gripe and can return it.

jco23 said:
well, if the seller claims that the bootloader is unlocked, then I would hold him to it. if you get it, and the bootloader is not, then you have a legitimate gripe and can return it.
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Unfortunately the seller did not know. This is the phone that I bought in question:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300983138928?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648

jjl5590 said:
Unfortunately the seller did not know. This is the phone that I bought in question:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300983138928?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648
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hmmm.... it may. not 100% sure if "global unlock" means that he has already unlocked the bootloader to allow global use, or simply rooted it to allow global access.... or something else.
I did not see a screenprint of the phone settings from the listing, so I guess you are at a "wait and see" point. certainly, when you first turn it on, check the "about phone" section - and do NOT accept any OTA updates.
good luck

Get moto x... I'm using Razr M xt905 and it's a great little phone but boring...
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pjcons said:
Get moto x... I'm using Razr M xt905 and it's a great little phone but boring...
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The moto x is significantly more expensive than an XT907, and for the price, the XT907 is worth every penny.
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Leraeniesh said:
The moto x is significantly more expensive than an XT907, and for the price, the XT907 is worth every penny.
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sooooo, are you saying the XT907 is worthless or priceless? j/k
not really sure what the other guy was referring to about it being "boring".... what are you expecting from a cell phone, a lap dance? a phone is a phone - the difference is what you make of it.

Moto X Bootloader Think Thread

Hey guys, let's get a thread going for this. I have an idea of how we might be able to unlock the bootloader of this phone, but I'm not giving promises. First off, we need as much documentation for the chipset as possible (MSM8960), Snapdragon S4 Pro. Also, documentation relating to the boot process is welcomed. I am currently figuring out how the boot process on this phone works. What do you say guys? It should be a team effort to unlock this phone.

CartlandSmith said:
What kind of information are you looking for?
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Anything that is related to the processor or boot sequence. I'm currently downloading the firmware to take a look at it.

CartlandSmith said:
What would be relevant for the processor? If you give me some direction, I can help searching for info.
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Things such as this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1856327

Personally, I think you're on a wild goose chase or out for a snipe hunt, but best of luck anyway.

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Personally, I think you're on a wild goose chase or out for a snipe hunt, but best of luck anyway.
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Maybe you're just nuts (see what I did there) But anyways, I'm still looking at the boot sequence and how it works. I think we might be able to modify the bootloader exploit for the GS4 since the X and GS4 use aboot and with that we might be able to overwrite the function that checks the value of whether the bootloader is unlocked or not. The aboot partition is loaded into memory first during boot, then the kernel and ramdisk is loaded into memory after on another memory address, whether the kernel/ramdisk is custom or not. There is a custom header in the ramdisk/kernel header that tells it to write to a certain memory address. You can edit the custom header to write to the same address as aboot, overwriting aboot therefore returning the value needed to complete the boot with the custom kernel/ramdisk. I will still have to work out the smaller details but I hope this works
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Very large bounties out there if you succeed.
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kj2112 said:
Very large bounties out there if you succeed.
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I doubt I will haha, but thank you. Not in it for the money
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Good luck. I'm subscribing to this thread just in case.
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Subscribed. That would be awesome to see this even though I just bought a DE on swappa to replace my locked X.

Any luck ?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1856327
This might help you
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Sorry I hadn't read through the entire forum anyways how's about this: http://blog.azimuthsecurity.com/2013/04/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html?m=1

If you want to know more about moto bootloaders contact Dan Rosenberg.
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Any news on this?

Another idea would be if someone with a Dev edition moto x could check to see if any of the preloaded Verizon apps/services had root privileges. Then it would only be a matter of finding an exploit in the application itself instead of trying to look for one in the bootloader.
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mx828 said:
Another idea would be if someone with a Dev edition moto x could check to see if any of the preloaded Verizon apps/services had root privileges. Then it would only be a matter of finding an exploit in the application itself instead of trying to look for one in the bootloader.
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Obtaining root privileges has nothing to do with the bootloader.

I know but wouldn't gaining root make it easier to find an actual exploit?
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Personally, I'd be all over the $43 dollar unlock codes......while its still an option. Someone at Motorola is gonna get fired hard eventually. Lol
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Is it possible that this is Lenevo doing this?
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matt99017d said:
Is it possible that this is Lenevo doing this?
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I doubt that. Its Verizon and at&t that never wanted the phones unlocked. Lenovo wouldn't go against their wishes. Plus, Motorola is still Motorola.
The bright side for those who don't unlock now, is maybe they'll be allowed to unlock when the phone is no longer officially supported. At least then they can update through custom roms.
Then again, maybe not.....it is another incentive to get a new phone leaving them locked.
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