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Ouya vs google play store

I was following ouya development but I have to say its a surprise for me that I will not be allowed to play already bought games.
For me ouya was a nice looking google tv with pads, probably it will end up that way since devs will hack the living **** out of it Anyway the freemium/microtransaction model might be in conflict with the whole sourcy openness.
Who prefer cm based ouya rather than stock ouya market thingy?

I'm not to worried about it. The Kindle Fire have a closed system, but was able to get Play Store sideloaded. The Ouya is most likely going to get CM ported to it.
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yeah but the whole issue is to tweak pads controls so it will be useful on touch controlled apps. not sure if it will worm

It has sideloading, you just install Play like any other app. It's probably the 2nd or 3rd thing I plan on doing when I eventually get mine in
noted for future reference on my Note 2

This is going to be a great device to tinker with :victory:

Would just sideloading the play store .apk work?
From what I remember, the OUYA will only be running on Android - it won't have the Google apps framework. If that's the case, I think the Play Store by itself won't work unless gapps are installed as well. I'm sure that won't be hard to overcome (simply flash gapps.zip from recovery or something) but it's worth thinking about.
And on that note, if it's possible and/or necessary to flash gapps, do you think that will open up (easy) access to all Google apps on the OUYA? I'd love to see some kind of in-game chat through Babel or something. (Of course, that could be what's coming with the android games code found in the MyGlass app...)

GAPPS is just Google apps you can't download.
It may be possible to load the Play stare. Just depends all what it required to it to work. I don't know if there is something that has to be installed within the framework or not.
The bigger problem I see is that Google Play may not have listing for the Ouya and thus not a lot of apps will show up or be downloadable within Google Play if it did install.

lovekeiiy said:
GAPPS is just Google apps you can't download.
It may be possible to load the Play stare. Just depends all what it required to it to work. I don't know if there is something that has to be installed within the framework or not.
The bigger problem I see is that Google Play may not have listing for the Ouya and thus not a lot of apps will show up or be downloadable within Google Play if it did install.
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I think the other problem is that the controller may not play well with most of the apps on the market.

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I think the other problem is that the controller may not play well with most of the apps on the market.
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that may be an issue for anything not delivered through the Ouya Store. I think if you want an idea what may happen, if you have another android device, rooted, and have Sixaxais App installed and Playstation3 synced, try running the app with it turned on.
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Just get an mk908 Android mini pc, run all of the emulators, XBMC, Play Store, and Bluetooth PS3 controller. Oh, an air mouse also.

I have to say I am very underwhelmed and disappointed by my OUYA. Besides the fact that I had to look online to see how to even install the batteries in the controller because there was ZERO instructions in what's laughably called a manual, I had completely forgotten about the touch pad and spent a while trying to figure out why I couldn't play Saturday Morning RPG on it. I was really hoping to better the experience by either grabbing apps from GPS or worse case sideload them, but after reading the comments here and elsewhere I think I'm best off just using my phone and tablet for Google gaming and sell this so I can put the $ towards an Xbox One....now THAT is a "smart device" if I've EVER seen one!! :good:

sternrulez said:
I have to say I am very underwhelmed and disappointed by my OUYA. Besides the fact that I had to look online to see how to even install the batteries in the controller because there was ZERO instructions in what's laughably called a manual, I had completely forgotten about the touch pad and spent a while trying to figure out why I couldn't play Saturday Morning RPG on it. I was really hoping to better the experience by either grabbing apps from GPS or worse case sideload them, but after reading the comments here and elsewhere I think I'm best off just using my phone and tablet for Google gaming and sell this so I can put the $ towards an Xbox One....now THAT is a "smart device" if I've EVER seen one!! :good:
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I'd suggest you're the only person on earth who thought that the Xbox one looked like a smart device, it's been the laughing stock of the internet.
Ouya has it's own store, having the google play store would bankrupt the company being they would make no money and google would make it all...
I'm sorry you had so much trouble, but I can't say anyone else had issues figuring out these basics, what you have is not a retail product, you got an early version that is not ready for prime time on a software/manual level, so it's rather silly to expect a retail quality manual when it does not ship for another month to retail... we are beta testers, and I thought the fact that we were paying to BUILD it clued everyone in on that.

misfit410 said:
I'd suggest you're the only person on earth who thought that the Xbox one looked like a smart device, it's been the laughing stock of the internet.
Ouya has it's own store, having the google play store would bankrupt the company being they would make no money and google would make it all...
I'm sorry you had so much trouble, but I can't say anyone else had issues figuring out these basics, what you have is not a retail product, you got an early version that is not ready for prime time on a software/manual level, so it's rather silly to expect a retail quality manual when it does not ship for another month to retail... we are beta testers, and I thought the fact that we were paying to BUILD it clued everyone in on that.
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ha yeah, i hope he was being sarcastic. Xbox One is a joke....to gamers anyway
it looks good on the surface until you get to the details they didnt share at the conference
a few thoughts
- when i'm gaming, i'm gaming. i'm not switching to TV or Movies or IE every few minutes.
- not always online....but it has to check every 24 hrs (according to one report). what if u have no internetz or are in the military or my bro in law who cant get internet at his house (without paying thousands to have lines run)?
- pay a fee on top of the price you paid for a used game (need to hear gamefly & gamestops reaction)
- kinect always has to be connected. (also what if someone comes in the room & says "turn that XBOX OFF" there goes your progress.
- the exclusives are probably kinect titles for kids
- non-removable HDD (should be just in case of failure)
- indie developers cant self publish
- for our fellow earthlings, a lot of this wont work outside of US
- it's GINORMOUS!
- the XBOX ONE is so forward-thinking, it's not even backwards compatible with gamers.
anyway, finally got my distribution center email for my OUYA today.
reading up on all this stuff while bored at work.

I've shown a lot of people the Ouya, most of them actually wanted one after seeing all of the things it would do. I've had a few who just don't get it and I understand it's not for everyone, but what does kill me are the ones who are like "ok so it plays movies at 1080P and XBMC is nice and all, but why would I pay $99 for something to watch movies and play a few phone games".. .the facepalm comes in when I find out they say this while owning an AppleTV.

misfit410 said:
I've shown a lot of people the Ouya, most of them actually wanted one after seeing all of the things it would do. I've had a few who just don't get it and I understand it's not for everyone, but what does kill me are the ones who are like "ok so it plays movies at 1080P and XBMC is nice and all, but why would I pay $99 for something to watch movies and play a few phone games".. .the facepalm comes in when I find out they say this while owning an AppleTV.
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hah, thats hilarious.
i actually asked for a refund last friday, but heard nothing until the distribution center email today. ha. oh well.
we'll see if i actually have any time to mess with it.

I'm of the tinkering type so it was a no brainer for me, but I found I'm enjoying it even more than I thought I would, there are so many games out there I don't even want to throw down $2 for because they just don't look good... but here everything can be played for free, so I find myself trying every single game out there, I've gotten so many gaming time for nothing... and i found I loved some of these games I would have otherwise passed over.

misfit410 said:
I'm of the tinkering type so it was a no brainer for me, but I found I'm enjoying it even more than I thought I would, there are so many games out there I don't even want to throw down $2 for because they just don't look good... but here everything can be played for free, so I find myself trying every single game out there, I've gotten so many gaming time for nothing... and i found I loved some of these games I would have otherwise passed over.
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cool.
so what all have you tinkered with so far, just trying games or some other more complicated things.
basically i want to know where to start when i get mine. should i try some games or sideload some other stuff on it, etc

Sideloaded Emulators, Web Browsers, Onlive, etc..
put the Amazon app store on so I could load up Opera Mobile, Dolphin and Maxthon browser, as well as file explorer..
you can sideload apps without any external tools if you just use the built in browser to download then go to the settings menu, storage, downloads and you can launch an APK from there.
the one thing to know is that all sideloaded apps go to the developers MAKE section.. but most stuff I've loaded runs well, still hoping to get my hands on a generation 2 googletv netflix apk.

misfit410 said:
Sideloaded Emulators, Web Browsers, Onlive, etc..
put the Amazon app store on so I could load up Opera Mobile, Dolphin and Maxthon browser, as well as file explorer..
you can sideload apps without any external tools if you just use the built in browser to download then go to the settings menu, storage, downloads and you can launch an APK from there.
the one thing to know is that all sideloaded apps go to the developers MAKE section.. but most stuff I've loaded runs well, still hoping to get my hands on a generation 2 googletv netflix apk.
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sweet, thanks yo.
i'll be reading up on everything on these forums for the next 2 weeks.
thanks for the head start

misfit410 said:
I'd suggest you're the only person on earth who thought that the Xbox one looked like a smart device, it's been the laughing stock of the internet.
Ouya has it's own store, having the google play store would bankrupt the company being they would make no money and google would make it all...
I'm sorry you had so much trouble, but I can't say anyone else had issues figuring out these basics, what you have is not a retail product, you got an early version that is not ready for prime time on a software/manual level, so it's rather silly to expect a retail quality manual when it does not ship for another month to retail... we are beta testers, and I thought the fact that we were paying to BUILD it clued everyone in on that.
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I disagree 100% in that the op will be indicative of most general consumers that buy this at retail stores. That said, common sense suggests the retail units will have clear and concise guides as soon as you open the box. None the less, most retail buyers are going to balk at a proprietary market.
Their model depends on it, but most consumers will not care about that and will expect a simple, easy to start experience.
The bubble of this forum is not the best sample of tech knowledge level for mass market game systems. Lower the bar. If Ouya assumes otherwise, they may see good sales followed by a lot more returns than expected.

Convince Me To Buy An OUYA

Hey everyone!
I've been on the edge about the OUYA for a while now and am thinking that this thing could either really take off or be a pretty big bust. At $99 I feel like this could be a great media streaming device with some basic games on the side. I'm currently deciding between this and the ROKU 3.
If the OUYA eventually gets some FPS games like MC4 where you can use online gampelay and get direct support from Netflix and other streaming services this could be a great product for me. My thing is, do I really wanna pay $99 for this thing only to find that it eventually gets no dev support?
Also, I understand you can sideload apps and do all that stuff, but this is an entertainment and gaming device. I have a rooted GS4 and N7, so if I wanna sideload apps and flash a bunch of custom roms I'll use one of them. When I turn on my OUYA I want a flawless experience without having to do anything to it.
So convince me why I should buy the OUYA.

Because its cool. What else are you going to spend a hundred bucks on?
Why should we convince you? It doesn't affect us whether or not you get one

Because you will be ahead if the revolution. You'll be cool before it was cool.
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Nxxx said:
Hey everyone!
I've been on the edge about the OUYA for a while now and am thinking that this thing could either really take off or be a pretty big bust. At $99 I feel like this could be a great media streaming device with some basic games on the side. I'm currently deciding between this and the ROKU 3.
If the OUYA eventually gets some FPS games like MC4 where you can use online gampelay and get direct support from Netflix and other streaming services this could be a great product for me. My thing is, do I really wanna pay $99 for this thing only to find that it eventually gets no dev support?
Also, I understand you can sideload apps and do all that stuff, but this is an entertainment and gaming device. I have a rooted GS4 and N7, so if I wanna sideload apps and flash a bunch of custom roms I'll use one of them. When I turn on my OUYA I want a flawless experience without having to do anything to it.
So convince me why I should buy the OUYA.
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I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.

For a media streaming device, its not really there yet. You would be better served with the Roku.
Remember though, the device hasn't even been released for the general public yet. It's only been out of most of the Kickstater for a few weeks (some are still waiting). I finally started tinking with mine yesterday. It's definitely in a more or less, beta stage.
Basically, what you said is basically what people are doing. Getting APKs from their other Android devices, side loading, and seeing what works. Some try tweaking the APKs to get to work better. Related, but not on point, there are no, or very few custom roms for the device thus far. It's not a device for the flashaholic.
As you implied, there is a bit of redundancy of having it and another Android, such as Galaxy S4 or Nexus7. This is device that you can leave hooked up to the TV, whereas the others, not really since you'll want to take them on the go; I don't believe the N7 can be hooked up the TV.
I say it something to get if you like tinkering with an Android device, And can live with it that it may not work exactly like you hope. For me, I like the Ouya device. Yet, it has all the things I like, and hate, about the Android platform. End of the day, it is still an Android device.
Although, the Roku 3 will serve your media stream needs, at least most of them, you're not going to get MC4.

acetkbez said:
I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.
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You do know that you were correct in saying it's not ready for primetime yet, right? I mean they've even said that, maybe not in those words but still. If you've only messed with it for 10 minutes, then you have missed 99% of what it can do.
to OP: If you are looking for a super Android based media machine, this might not be for you. Why? Because it's a brand new concept, the first of it's kind. Will it have the capability to match or even surpass the Roku's of the world? I believe so, but not without some tinkering. There is a LOT it has to offer and at $99, it's a good deal.
The thing comes out of the box ready for apps to be downloaded both from the web and from the OUYA market. I think the term sideloading intimidates people, but the truth is getting an app on this thing is as easy as opening the built in browser, googling the app you want, and clicking download. This gets even easier when you install AirDroid and you can do it all from your laptop!
So what I'm trying to say is out of the box without tinkering you still have access to almost all non-drm Android apps. NOt all of them look right, but so far many work good.
As for the buggy stuff, as someone else mentioned, this is more of a beta phase than anything else, I suspect we'll see a large update in the next week before official release.
So if you want a rather powerful little device to play some good games (including the fact it has (or will have) all the emulators for Atari to PS1 on the OUYA market), with the potential to blow away what a ROKU can do, your $99 could not be better spent, but if you want something that is a sure thing for media only, get the ROKU.

Thanks for all the above everyone. I think I'm going to wait a little bit and see how things go. It sounds like a real cool device, but it really has its own little niche.
I'm not bashing on it or anything, but right now it doesn't seem to be really good at anything from what I've heard from you all.
It doesn't have great games and isn't a product for gamers. Doesn't have the media streaming services.
Until OUYA gets a deal with Netflix or a solid FPS comes out, I'm going to sit back and wait. I really want this product to succeed because it seems like it could be really functional and portable.
If I missed anything or you would like to correct me on anything please do. I'm open to all thoughts and opinions.
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Netflix's app just need tweaking for the controller input. Some have had better luck with it. I know I can bounce around with Sixasis controller enabled on my Galaxy Note 2 better than I was getting on the Ouya. Kind of odd. This is going to true for all media streaming apps. Some just may work better from the get go, so the updating/tweaking may be very minimal.
There are some good games. Chrono Blade looked nice and played well. I only played a few minutes. I briefly checked out Monster Boxing. Reminded me of Punch Out!. Its typical of situation of when a console launches. Couple gems, lots a mediocre, and even more crap.
Some of of what you ask is subjective. We don't know what kind of games you think are good. We don't know unbuggy something can be and still be a good experience for you. Don't know how much you like, want, or need to tinker. We're just trying to give a more objective facts based on experience and reading so you can decide a little more informed.
And thing is true, it's definitely a niche product. And most likely, any Android "game" console is going to be niche

acetkbez said:
I got my Ouya last week. I was excited at first, but I literally played with it for 10 minutes and it is a POS. It has since been listed on craigslist and is sitting in a corner of my room. And guess what, not one person on craigslist has contacted me about it. The firmware is buddy, the games look terrible, there is no Netflix support as of yet. Not ready for primetime.
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Did you try to get more for it than what you paid? Theres some one where I'm at trying to sell one for more than it cost them. Plus not knowing how to tell if he has the good controllers or the bad ones makes me nervous about buying his. Also you knew what you were signing up for right?

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Because it's a brand new concept, the first of it's kind. Will it have the capability to match or even surpass the Roku's of the world? I believe so, but not without some tinkering. There is a LOT it has to offer and at $99, it's a good deal.
So if you want a rather powerful little device to play some good games (including the fact it has (or will have) all the emulators for Atari to PS1 on the OUYA market), with the potential to blow away what a ROKU can do, your $99 could not be better spent, but if you want something that is a sure thing for media only, get the ROKU.
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I wouldn't say this is the first of its kind. There are many China Android boxes out there that run pure Android. These Chinese boxes already do Netflix. However, none of the China Android boxes in the market right now have Tegra3. They're all dual core processors with some Mali400 graphics component. The difference in graphics ability is big enough between Tegra3 and the Mali chips on the China Android boxes to convince me to pick Ouya over the currently available choices. The China Android boxes can just play HD, but there's not a lot of headroom, and they cost about the same as the Ouya. The Ouya is a better value. You get a controller (now fixed) and a high profile American company over a non-responsive Chinese manufacturer.
If we don't get any developer support for a pure Android ROM, that means the Ouya could do 2 solid things:
1) local media player (XBMC). Local meaning media files from your network, not Netflix media.
2) small games and game emulator
That is enough to satisfy me for a $100 device. That's because I'm not a Netflix user. The Roku, for about the same price, wouldn't add any more capability. The China Android boxes might have a slight lead because they run pure Android. Realistically, the China manufacturers will eventually be making Tegra3 level Android boxes running pure Android. Probably by the end of this year. And these boxes would rival the Ouya in terms of functionality.
I haven't been keeping up with the development work. What are the chances that we'll see a pure Android ROM for the Ouya? I know that's a subjective question.

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Plus not knowing how to tell if he has the good controllers or the bad ones makes me nervous about buying his.
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A bit off topic but can you tell me what made the bad controllers bad? I have heard people say there were problems, but not what the problems were.
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I wouldn't say this is the first of its kind. There are many China Android boxes out there that run pure Android. These Chinese boxes already do Netflix. However, none of the China Android boxes in the market right now have Tegra3. They're all dual core processors with some Mali400 graphics component. The difference in graphics ability is big enough between Tegra3 and the Mali chips on the China Android boxes to convince me to pick Ouya over the currently available choices. The China Android boxes can just play HD, but there's not a lot of headroom, and they cost about the same as the Ouya. The Ouya is a better value. You get a controller (now fixed) and a high profile American company over a non-responsive Chinese manufacturer.
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While the China boxes might be out there, it's not something I'd go through again...I've bought plenty of things from China that never worked or worked right. I will say you are right about there being other options, though, but I meant more official.
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If we don't get any developer support for a pure Android ROM, that means the Ouya could do 2 solid things:
1) local media player (XBMC). Local meaning media files from your network, not Netflix media.
2) small games and game emulator
That is enough to satisfy me for a $100 device. That's because I'm not a Netflix user.
I haven't been keeping up with the development work. What are the chances that we'll see a pure Android ROM for the Ouya? I know that's a subjective question.
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XBMC already "kinda" supports OUYA. I say it that way because it's a known fact that you can get it up and running the same way you have to on your phone/tablet and that the people at OUYA are talking to the people at XBMC, so I think it's likely we'll see that in the market as soon as a stable release is found. I believe the same goes for Netflix. I am a netflix user and would love to see HD netflix on this thing, which shouldn't be hard, but it's not my main concern right now. WIthout the Google Architecture, them managing DRM on the thing shouldn't be too hard.
As for games, I'm not sure if "small games" is the correct term. Sure, they won't be Playstation 3/Xbox 360 quality, but I think people will be surprised at how much devs can push this thing! The ball is a good example of pretty good graphics, better than I originally thought possible, and it can only get better. While I didn't buy it with the thought of it being used as an Emulator, that's one of the main things I've done with it. Most recently I got PPSSPP to work on it and actually played a game.
As for development work, I know people are already working on builds, some already running in alpha, so I do believe we'll see some stable pure android ROM's sooner than later, although personally I wouldn't be using one. I like the structure that OUYA has laid over it and plan on keeping it that way, even if I am in the minority with that idea.

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A bit off topic but can you tell me what made the bad controllers bad? I have heard people say there were problems, but not what the problems were.
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Buttons sticking and not reacting as quickly as they should. Ouya did offer to replace any ones that was messed up like that and fixed the problem but some people didn't know that.

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Buttons sticking and not reacting as quickly as they should. Ouya did offer to replace any ones that was messed up like that and fixed the problem but some people didn't know that.
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Ah okay. I should make sure I didn't get any messed up ones, I haven't tried my second controller. Thanks!

I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.

Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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Not enough games? Can you tell me the last console that released with 154 (and counting since it's not officially released) games/apps? It's unprecedented. I don't know what you (or many others like you) expected, maybe you expected it to be more like a phone or tablet (and if that's the case, I can understand where you're coming from, I thought the same thing until I really thought about it).
The OUYA is doing things no other console has ever done, but people are not seeing it. The simple fact is that OUYA didn't (and shouldn't) put all the money into it day one, they need to think of the longevity of their product and their company.
Could they have done more? Sure! One thing is they should have thought about first party games. With the amount of money they made, they could have had a select few working on some top notch games for release. Being a brand new company, they struggled in getting support, however some big names have signed on to test the waters. With some good support, I wouldn't be surprised to see console quality games ported to the OUYA. Not as good graphics, of course, but that was never expected.

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Not enough games? Can you tell me the last console that released with 154 (and counting since it's not officially released) games/apps? It's unprecedented.
The OUYA is doing things no other console has ever done, but people are not seeing it.
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I don't really think the Ouya is doing something that no other console has ever done. There has been several Android set-top boxes out before Ouya. They run pure Android. Ouya is just bringing a game store to the Android set-top box idea. I wouldn't say it's revolutionary. I think some of the games that are out are just existing games from the Android play store anyways.
And I'm saying this as a pre-order customer for Ouya.

I have a Roku 3 and it is amazing. I am a cord cutter and got my sisters Time Warner and HBO Go login. I have Hulu Plus and Netflix. I also use Blockbuster and Amazon on Demand. The roku3 is butter man. Two leagues of their own. The Roku has magnificent streaming capabilities and never drops video. It balances bandwidth but never drops. It has a wealth of video watching. Games on the Roku3 are fun but an afterthought/gimmicky.
Ouya is a game console primarily and should be considered as such. My android devices can do Netflix and stuff but typically drop and have to rebuffer often. Some video services like Hulu Plus don't even work on Ouya yet.
I want an Ouya and recommend getting both but I would buy the Roku3 over the Ouya first IMO.
It just all depends on your priorities. We can play games on our cellphones but the family can't watch TV on one. If you have an alternative TV service like cable and streaming is not a priority then pick up a Ouya and see if it will suffice in place of both. I know my wife wouldn't use a game controller to control the TV.
Like previously stated, the Ouya is merely a new interface right now. Once it gains its foothold I think unique games will start to spruce up and it will take off.
I'm buying one just for multiplayer controller support, something no other android device can successfully do from my experience. My MK808 and N7 all see multiple controllers as the same player1 controller. I'd like to be able to play some old school Mortal Kombat and Mario Kart with my son and buddies.
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Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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I'll trade you my first gen Roku XDS and MK808 with external Antenna mod and a RC11 AirMouse.
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Muckrak3r said:
I regret buying the OUYA. There's not enough to it. Not enough games. The idea was great, and with the millions upon millions of kickstarter funds I sure expected more.
Wish I got the ROKU HD instead.
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This kind of response astounds me, but I'll just address one tiny point. The money given to OUYA. I hope everyone realizes that even including the venture capital $$, OUYA funding barely matches the advertising budgets for the big two, right. I mean, the Xbox 360 took five (?) years to become profitable. The idea that a device running Android, funded by kickstarter, and planned and developed in a year for release to retail, and then immediately viewed as a bad value in comparison to the big two is just mind-boggling.
It's not perfect, but it's great for its intended use.
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I agree. I just launched. Right now it is piggy backing off of the Android market but that is just the icing on the cake. With Mobile games becoming more and more advanced, it is nice to have the ability to play both. But that isn't what the Ouya is about. The Ouya is about CREATING a platform for people to build games out of their basement and get them public. Not all great minds work for a big company. Look how Minecraft took off. Minecraft NEVER would have been able to build directly for a console.
There are tons of fun games to play right out of the box for free. No other console does this. Aside from emulators, the Ouya is about an idea, spawned from the little people who just want to make and play games. Buying an Ouya doesn't just buy you an Ouya, but supports the idea that games don't have to cost $60. Perhaps if MS/Sony/Apple/Nintendo wouldn't charge so damn much just for stupid licensing and fees, we might live in a totally radical world right now.
If you can't appreciate the Ouya, then you can't look past your nose to see the big picture. It just isn't a purchase but an investment into a totally new way of creating and playing games. I, for one, cannot wait to see how the Ouya blossums and develops over the next year. If you are looking for instant gratification then the Ouya might fail you today. I think it is a worth while purchase just to have a dedicated emulator machine that plays on the big screen.

[Cancelled] Returning my OUYA...

Just got done talking to Amazon and discovered that I'm still in the window to be able to return the OUYA and get a full refund, so I'm taking that opportunity rather than continue to hope that the OUYA team will decide to deliver on the open console they promised.
After seeing how others have been treated and being ignored myself, I simply have no faith in their ability to deliver. Instead I see only more of the same, and instead of problems being fixed I see OUYA choosing to release version 2.0. If they'd screw over the kick-start backers, why wouldn't they screw over us too? The lack of communication, lack of transparency, lack of honesty make me think the OUYA have no future going forward and no vision beyond chasing the next customer at the expense of current ones.
Why would I stick around? To throw more good money after bad? Even if the community manages to paper around most of the issues plaguing the console, it will be at the expense of the console functionality--being able to just buy a game and play it, instead everything will eventually be through the Google Play Store (in which case what is the point of buying OUYA games?) or there will be all sorts of alternative stores trying to deliver OUYA Discovery store games without the OUYA team's blessings and that will only work for so long before it gets categorized as piracy...
What future is there here?
And please don't say XBMC, because one of the reasons I'm throwing in the towel is because I am unable to get my USB drive with all my videos recognized on the OUYA. That being the case, it's not even good to me as a Media Center device. Not when there are much better supported options available that I don't have to hack to make work all the time.
Emulation you say? What good is emulation with such a small internal disk and no real ability to expand the storage?
No, I'm done. But I'm wondering who else is thinking about walking away and returning their OUYA for a refund, and what are they planning on getting as an alternative?
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bornagainpenguin said:
Just got done talking to Amazon and discovered that I'm still in the window to be able to return the OUYA and get a full refund, so I'm taking that opportunity rather than continue to hope that the OUYA team will decide to deliver on the open console they promised.
After seeing how others have been treated and being ignored myself, I simply have no faith in their ability to deliver. Instead I see only more of the same, and instead of problems being fixed I see OUYA choosing to release version 2.0. If they'd screw over the kick-start backers, why wouldn't they screw over us too? The lack of communication, lack of transparency, lack of honesty make me think the OUYA have no future going forward and no vision beyond chasing the next customer at the expense of current ones.
Why would I stick around? To throw more good money after bad? Even if the community manages to paper around most of the issues plaguing the console, it will be at the expense of the console functionality--being able to just buy a game and play it, instead everything will eventually be through the Google Play Store (in which case what is the point of buying OUYA games?) or there will be all sorts of alternative stores trying to deliver OUYA Discovery store games without the OUYA team's blessings and that will only work for so long before it gets categorized as piracy...
What future is there here?
And please don't say XBMC, because one of the reasons I'm throwing in the towel is because I am unable to get my USB drive with all my videos recognized on the OUYA. That being the case, it's not even good to me as a Media Center device. Not when there are much better supported options available that I don't have to hack to make work all the time.
Emulation you say? What good is emulation with such a small internal disk and no real ability to expand the storage?
No, I'm done. But I'm wondering who else is thinking about walking away and returning their OUYA for a refund, and what are they planning on getting as an alternative?
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I for one am planning on using my OUYA as a paperweight. It looks quite good.
In all seriousness, I bought this never intending to bother with stock firmware, so when I get back to school I'll toss CM10.1 on it and use it to complement an ailing Logitech Revue. As a kickstarter backer though, I can't exactly return my unit, and I don't know that I'd feel good about selling it to anyone. Neat idea, awful execution on the software side.

That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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In all seriousness, I bought this never intending to bother with stock firmware, so when I get back to school I'll toss CM10.1 on it and use it to complement an ailing Logitech Revue. As a kickstarter backer though, I can't exactly return my unit, and I don't know that I'd feel good about selling it to anyone. Neat idea, awful execution on the software side.
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Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit.
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Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
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Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
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Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
Then I too was able to enjoy xbmc from my OUYA and was blown away by how well the video playback was. The problem is that I am unable to get my USB drive to mount ever since the latest update. And having to do a system reset every time I moved the OUYA somewhere to show it off and having to readd all my xbmc libraries and all my games got old after the third time. Worse was when mandatory updates hit and required me to do a reset because the update unmounted the USB somehow. Worse yet was when I posted about it on the OUYA twitter account and was completely ignored.
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Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
Without being able to mount the USB drive I am unable to use my OUYA for its purpose. By breaking the USB mounting as they have, the OUYA team have rendered the console unfit for its purpose. Is that clear enough?
--bornagainpenguin

bornagainpenguin said:
Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
Then I too was able to enjoy xbmc from my OUYA and was blown away by how well the video playback was. The problem is that I am unable to get my USB drive to mount ever since the latest update. And having to do a system reset every time I moved the OUYA somewhere to show it off and having to readd all my xbmc libraries and all my games got old after the third time. Worse was when mandatory updates hit and required me to do a reset because the update unmounted the USB somehow. Worse yet was when I posted about it on the OUYA twitter account and was completely ignored.
Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
Without being able to mount the USB drive I am unable to use my OUYA for its purpose. By breaking the USB mounting as they have, the OUYA team have rendered the console unfit for its purpose. Is that clear enough?
--bornagainpenguin
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If it did work, don't you think it might have just broke in the last update. They wouldn't include a USB port if they didn't want everyone to use USB HDDs. It broke, but they'll fix it. Can't see returning it because of one update bug.
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I'm rocking the hell out of my OUYA, with the Play store installed, sdcard enabled, and controller support becoming the norm I plan to be playing mine for a loooong time. It's a much more elegant solution than a phone or tablet with hdmi out. Yeah the OUYA store has a crappy selection, but that is about the only knock against it I have. Your loss man.

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If it did work, don't you think it might have just broke in the last update. They wouldn't include a USB port if they didn't want everyone to use USB HDDs. It broke, but they'll fix it. Can't see returning it because of one update bug.
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It's not just one update bug--before this to get it to work took a lot of jumping through hoops. And who says they'll get to fixing it in a reasonable time frame? Look how long it took for them to fix the overscan bug, people were waiting three or four months with an OUYA that couldn't play most games.
Maybe if I'd at least gotten a response or a promise that they were working on it, I might stay, but the silence from OUYA has been very telling. Amazon already refunded my debit card, so I don't think I have a choice at this point, even if I found out there was an update this afternoon that fixed everything.
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bornagainpenguin said:
Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
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The stock launcher is horrible. I didn't think it was bad until I tried out BAXY, now I know it is utter crap. The BAXY developers have made a better launcher in 2 weeks than OUYA did in a year.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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Thats already what it is. It is both.
Who says that I didn't like my OUYA? When it worked it was the most amazing thing in the world. I could have both games and my media all with the same device. I liked it so much that despite having intended it as an emulation\xbmc box I began buying games. Does that sound like someone who doesn't like their OUYA?
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Who said you didn't like it? Let's see... *Reviews thread* Oh, I did. You returned it because something went buggy for you in an update that took place exactly one week ago. ONE WEEK. Hell, Sony borks an update on the PS3 a few times a year, and the latest one took what, 3 weeks for them to patch? I wonder how many PS3 owners returned their POS3's during that time period...
No, it doesn't sound like someone that didn't like their OUYA, it sounds like someone that is unrealistic and doesn't understand how dynamic the firmware and software is these days. In your opinion, they should have just seen there is a problem, clicked "FIX USB BUGS" on their SDK interface, and sent out an immediate update.
Right?
Not everyone has a NAS of that type. I do however have a 1TB WB USB drive formatted to NTFS, a 2TB Seagate USB drive also formatted to NTFS, and a 3TB Toshiba USB drive formatted to FAT32. Since the last update my OUYA likes none of them. Before the last few updates I was able to make use of all of them by powering off the OUYA, plugging them in and upon restarting doing a system reset (returning to factory defaults).
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Yay?
Perhaps if that was why I'm returning the OUYA it would seem funny. Unfortunately for your strawman argument I am not returning the OUYA because it doesn't run alpha software without issues; I am returning my OUYA because it is missing basic functionality in the USB port and unable to mount USB drives. Amazon has listed as my reason for return "defective" hardware.
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Strawman argument? What is this, 1856? I didn't say anything sounded funny either. I reviewed the Amazon page for the OUYA, and yes, it says...
Need more storage? No problem. Just plug in an external hard drive into the USB 2.0 port.
So I agree, that would be basic functionality since it was listed to be a feature on the device. Did they screw it up? It looks like for some, yes, they did. Do you want a quick fix that borks something else or do you want them to fix it right, along with some other things, and submit an update once a week instead of once every day or two?
Oh, and don't pretend that "Amazon has listed as my reason for return 'Defective' hardware". You listed it as that for your reason of return, I've returned enough to Amazon to know how it works. Even that reason would be wrong. Your hardware is fine, the software has a defect. For now.
I guess I should return mine too since my USB mouse/keyboard combo keeps logging on as controller one. Amazon will list this as "damaged in shipping"

RED ZMAN said:
The stock launcher is horrible. I didn't think it was bad until I tried out BAXY, now I know it is utter crap. The BAXY developers have made a better launcher in 2 weeks than OUYA did in a year.
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I guess I'd have to try out BAXY for myself to 'get' the improvement. I stand by what I said for now though, based on my use of the current store it doesn't strike me as all that bad.
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Who said you didn't like it? Let's see... *Reviews thread* Oh, I did. You returned it because something went buggy for you in an update that took place exactly one week ago. ONE WEEK. Hell, Sony borks an update on the PS3 a few times a year, and the latest one took what, 3 weeks for them to patch? I wonder how many PS3 owners returned their POS3's during that time period...
No, it doesn't sound like someone that didn't like their OUYA, it sounds like someone that is unrealistic and doesn't understand how dynamic the firmware and software is these days. In your opinion, they should have just seen there is a problem, clicked "FIX USB BUGS" on their SDK interface, and sent out an immediate update.
Right?
I reviewed the Amazon page for the OUYA, and yes, it says...
Need more storage? No problem. Just plug in an external hard drive into the USB 2.0 port.
So I agree, that would be basic functionality since it was listed to be a feature on the device. Did they screw it up? It looks like for some, yes, they did. Do you want a quick fix that borks something else or do you want them to fix it right, along with some other things, and submit an update once a week instead of once every day or two?
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Ha-ha-ha....yeah, that's exactly what I wanted! The OUYA team needs to just press their magic doo-hickey in their super duper OUYA SDK and reenable large disks support, all the while serenading us with music from unicorn horns and rainbows coming from every television set! How did you know?
Only, sarcasm aside and all your attempts to make me out to be foolish to the contrary--yes, that is exactly what I do expect to see happen. I expect the OUYA team to fix what they broke. What I start to suspect is deliberate breakage.
Hear me out please. And help me to understand please how any other conclusion is a better one to fit the details...maybe you'd rather pretend the OUYA team is simply incompetent? Although honestly I'm not quite sure how that makes things better...
Let's look at the facts, shall we? All it takes to fix USB external hard drive detection is root installation of the Paragon app. That's all that needs to happen, then the external storage will work again. Will work without a need to do a system reset every time you plug in the drive or jump through other hoops. This is something I've been told over and over again and seen others told over and over again whenever the issue of large USB disks not mounting was brought up--just root and install Paragon and your troubles will be over. It's easy.
I've also seen mention of a script which could run which would make needed changes in vold.fstab (a bit more understanding of the system needed to accomplish but easy enough if you know what you're doing and can follow instructions.) Since not everyone is comfortable with editing system files the easy button is to simply use Paragon and this is why it gets recommended so often.
Meanwhile I sit here just amazed that an external application can do what the OUYA developers seemingly cannot do and will not discuss doing. Are we really supposed to believe the makers of the system are unable to fix so simple of a problem as this because it is so extremely complicated---booooooooo--be very very scared---booooooooo....and yet outsiders can program an app that can do it apparently without breaking down a sweat? Really? Maybe incompetence is looking to be a better rationale after all?
No, as I said before this whole thing stinks to high heaven and between the USB bug (which looks less and less like a bug every day that goes by without an official fix) and the overscan bug which if posts by people who suffer from it are to be believed is only a bandaid that did nothing to fix the actual problem, the locked bootloader, the lack of root, lack of openness, large numbers of people on kickstarter who still haven't gotten their units, DRM that makes you depend on OUYA being there to continue playing what you paid for, etc etc...it starts to look like a pattern. And with the lack of communication it's impossible to know if things are ever going to be different.
I'm not hopeful. I posted this thread in hopes of someone giving me a reason to find hope again, to decide to stick it out and expect things would get better and no one has. So tomorrow after work when I can finally have some time to head over to the UPS pick up while the store is still open I'll be taking the printout Amazon sent me and returning the OUYA to get my money back.
I've seen others also making this decision and posting about it too. Maybe if enough of us return our devices the number of people saying no sale and voting with their wallets will be enough to make the OUYA team wake up and fix things. If they're as incompetent as you seem to think they are, I'm not sure how much good it will do though....
--bornagainpenguin

I think most of the problem with not having root, which is the root of a lot of problems, is that the device is being made for more than the members on this forum and other developer communities.
The device needs to be user friendly to some degree. If they start making root a standard, than those who don't know otherwise will start bricking their consoles left, right and center
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The device needs to be user friendly to some degree. If they start making root a standard, than those who don't know otherwise will start bricking their consoles left, right and center
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All OUYA would have had to do was made it accessible via easter egg, similar to how developer options are enabled now on most roms by tapping the build number. They could even have paid homage by making it be the Konami code that unlocked things.
It's not *that* hard and is what they promised.
Most of the user friendly issues could be resolved by having a working recovery that allowed backups to be created before messing with the system. Something like CWM....
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bornagainpenguin said:
Well I differ slightly here. With exception of the USB bug, limited usability of the touchpad, and overscan issues (which AFAIK never effected me) I honestly thought the default launcher was pretty good.
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There's no accounting for taste. I'm glad it worked for you-- for me, it was a thoroughly unpleasant experience (probably made worse by the physical arrangement of the OUYA buttons on the controller, which for me are simply confusing). It just looked and felt very tacky to me, and seeing how paltry the native settings menus were before the system rolled over and coughed up the Android native Settings app made me feel like I was running someone's first theme.
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The Discover menu could have been cleaned up a bit, but for a new console with a limited repository of software, it was pretty good at showing off what was available. Some of the lists were a bit redundant, but that was understandable considering at this point we're all playing the same games. I would have expected the lists to diverge quite severely as newer games were added.
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For a storefront that ostensibly wants to highlight breakout titles as well as expose others, I found the display to be a fairly uninteresting grid that made it hard to see any given titles as standout. In their defense though, I was never really interested in the stock OUYA firmware.
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I would have liked to see a list for games which had been bought by percentages, a queued downloads section somewhere so you knew what was already selected for download and a way to see how much was in the pipe left to come and a place for all the games you'd purchased previously so you could add them back in to your library more easily once you started building it up. Would have even been a good idea to add a wishlist option so you could remember games you'd tried in the past but decided to buy at a later time for some reason. Otherwise the interface really didn't offend me all that much.
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Ditto.
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It was hardware bugs and usability issues that bothered me more than anything.
And while I'm sure the community will be able to fix most of these, I feel that in doing so the OUYA stops being a game console and becomes an Android computer.
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More or less yes, and if I could do it again I would definitely have opted for a different solution (probably one of the upgraded Google TV sets). Although I probably will enjoy messing with the OUYA later (not having a good TV at home makes this hard), I must confess that my interest in messing around with ROMs has been fading fast over the last few months (more or less coinciding with swapping out my Galaxy Nexus for a HTC One). I still primarily own and use Nexus to tinker, but for the TV? I kind of want to be a bit lazier there.
Anyway, as for what you were saying earlier, I doubt the bugs are out of deliberate malice but unintentional/unconscious priority bias. They're out to make money first over encouraging a dev community, which is understandable, but it means that any fixes and resources aren't going to go where we'd like. OUYA has had a sort of Jekyll/Hyde thing going for a while now-- is it a consumer product? A dev box? Both? It's harder than I think they realized to be both.

In the end I just couldn't do it. Subconsciously I guess I really didn't want to return my OUYA because I kept checking to see if there'd been any updates and putting off the return. It didn't help that I had to work overtime all week and kept missing the window where the drop off for UPS is. I finally got a hold of Amazon and cancelled the refund.
Nothing has changed, all of the issues I mentioned before still exist, but I just can't let go. If---a big gamble as far as I'm concerned---but IF the OUYA team do manage to pull themselves up from the tailspin they're currently in and fix the system so it'll do all that they promised us from the beginning, the OUYA has the potential to rule the family room. The truth is nothing else seems to be aiming for the same heights that the OUYA is. There are so many things they have right that it just frustrates me all the more when something doesn't work right.
And most of these things they keep getting wrong are things that are easily fixable! I think someone in the thread said that the launcher baxxy was banged out in two days? I see a fix for the USB problem was posted almost immediately on the OUYA developer forums in June. An app has been developed and posted that allows a one click root via a big button, just like we were promised... Like I said, frustrating.
But I'm in. For as long as the OUYA works, or can be made to work. For as long as there is a community who wants to keep going forward.
I apologize to anyone who thought I came off a troll, honestly I wasn't trying to be.
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In the end I just couldn't do it. Subconsciously I guess I really didn't want to return my OUYA because I kept checking to see if there'd been any updates and putting off the return. It didn't help that I had to work overtime all week and kept missing the window where the drop off for UPS is. I finally got a hold of Amazon and cancelled the refund.
Nothing has changed, all of the issues I mentioned before still exist, but I just can't let go. If---a big gamble as far as I'm concerned---but IF the OUYA team do manage to pull themselves up from the tailspin they're currently in and fix the system so it'll do all that they promised us from the beginning, the OUYA has the potential to rule the family room. The truth is nothing else seems to be aiming for the same heights that the OUYA is. There are so many things they have right that it just frustrates me all the more when something doesn't work right.
And most of these things they keep getting wrong are things that are easily fixable! I think someone in the thread said that the launcher baxxy was banged out in two days? I see a fix for the USB problem was posted almost immediately on the OUYA developer forums in June. An app has been developed and posted that allows a one click root via a big button, just like we were promised... Like I said, frustrating.
But I'm in. For as long as the OUYA works, or can be made to work. For as long as there is a community who wants to keep going forward.
I apologize to anyone who thought I came off a troll, honestly I wasn't trying to be.
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Trust me if you think OUYA have made a pigs ear of software you've never had a really bad Android box. I put up with the Minix Neo X5 for 6 months before binning it. That was a truly god awful pile of crap. I've done more with the OUYA in a month than I did in 6 with the Neo. Sure, it's not perfect... but it's on the right track.

RED ZMAN said:
That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
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Would you rather he write a post saying "I dont like the ouya it isnt open and i want my money back." you know there are people who do post that way, be happy he detailed his experience.

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Trust me if you think OUYA have made a pigs ear of software you've never had a really bad Android box. I put up with the Minix Neo X5 for 6 months before binning it. That was a truly god awful pile of crap. I've done more with the OUYA in a month than I did in 6 with the Neo. Sure, it's not perfect... but it's on the right track.
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Well my first Android was a Pandigital Novel, so.....
Yeah, I get what you mean though. I was looking through the competition while I was unable to get to the UPS drop off point and kept thinking to myself that even with the stuff that OUYA's gotten wrong, they're still so much further ahead of the curve than anyone else! But that's why it's so frustrating to see them missing this stuff and ignoring the requests of their customers to fix things already. I really don't think it's as hard as people are pretending it to be.
--bornagainpenguin

bornagainpenguin said:
I really don't think it's as hard as people are pretending it to be.
--bornagainpenguin
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Your absolutely right if you look in the lk bootloader source it's really easy to make a button to get into bootloader. Alot of the other issues would only take someone with the source code a day or less (per issue and some one who is familiar with it).

Asadullah said:
Your absolutely right if you look in the lk bootloader source it's really easy to make a button to get into bootloader. Alot of the other issues would only take someone with the source code a day or less (per issue and some one who is familiar with it).
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So you see what I mean and understand why I'm so skeptical when people keep making excuses for them?
Like I said over at Ouya Forums, it's a two line edit thereabouts. If it can be done by you or I in vold.fstab as a dirty hack, there's no reason why the OUYA team with their access to the source code can't fix it properly.
The only thing I can think is malicious interference or sheer incompetence to explain their reticence in fixing things.
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I like my Ouya, and thank goodness they sent me a retail kit instead of a preorder kit. Maybe getting it really late is a blessing in disguise.
I agree with a lot of things said in this topic RE: the makers of this box. The hardware's fine (well mine was), but their customer service support is lacking. I haven't seen this much reputation damage since XBAWKS. (not XBone, XBAWKS).
If the dev community is not happy and abandons the thing... at least the controller is salvagable. Not as good as the X360 or PS3's, but decent and better than the unusual Wiichuck, more comfortable than a bluetooth clip gamepad, no proprietary connection protocols and no MAC address hacking needed.

RED ZMAN said:
That's a rather long post to tell us you just don't like your unit. Mine works fine. No problems with XBMC either. Playing across from my 4 terabyte home server with no issues.
BAXY Launcher as a replacement, live wallpapers, music and more. Kind of funny that you're returning yours because software that hasn't been released officially for it yet doesn't work right. That doesn't sound funny to you?
Blasted from my Samsung Galaxy SIII (CM10.1 Masta Mix).
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RED ZMAN!!!!, how make work CIFS.ko modules in ouya
i need mount NAS server in my home and add this munt at startup.
regards
Ariel

Ouya vs MOJO questions

I have a feeling the question answers itself, but...
There is really no PRO having a OUYA over the MOJO, right?
I'm really just interested in emulators older games (the PSX and N64) and don't feel the OUYA will be able to handle that.
But I noticed it's proprietary store with it's own apps. However, those are just android apps with OUYA skins? There's not some optimizations built into them that can come close to the MOJO's performance?

In terms of hardware, the Tegra 4 GPU and CPU are more than just a generational jump over Tegra 3. There isn't really any PRO to having OUYA unless you are heavily invested in that ecosystem.

The only PRO to an OUYA, as I mentioned in another post where you roughly asked the same question is that they have their own appstore where everything is guaranteed to be compatible and able to use. The MOJO is a far superior system, and the CTRLR is awesome.

Ouya is a scam
Pleiades7 said:
I have a feeling the question answers itself, but...
There is really no PRO having a OUYA over the MOJO, right?
I'm really just interested in emulators older games (the PSX and N64) and don't feel the OUYA will be able to handle that.
But I noticed it's proprietary store with it's own apps. However, those are just android apps with OUYA skins? There's not some optimizations built into them that can come close to the MOJO's performance?
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Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board

gwaldo said:
Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board
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I don't think OUYA is necessarily a scam...come on now, for $100 you get an Android gaming console with controller - plus I think they were the first company out there that really got a lot of us excited about an Android gaming console.
What turned me off from OUYA is the fact of the closed app ecosystem, 8gb of storage, and that controller well....you know. But for $100? Might be good for the not-so power user of Android. Maybe they'll step up their game with the OUYA 2.
Right now though, I'm very happy with my MOJO. More and more games are becoming available almost week by week. I can't wait to see where were at in just 6 months time

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If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
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Heh..I've actually got one of my old desktops sitting behind the TV just for this purpose....Which is actually why I got the MOJO, so I didn't have to use the PC anymore. I do miss having a CD-ROM for my Saturn and PSX, though, but I ripped most of my PSX games and the ISO's work just as well.

gwaldo said:
Oh don't get me started with ouya!
Firstly it's not worth $100 now (even back at launch!).
Every thing about Ouya is cheap.
CTRLR is 500% better then the Ouya controller - no start/select/media buttons, $50USD for a throw away controller??? LMAO!
16GB over 8GB
BT4 over BT2
MicroSD over nothing
USB2 and USB3 over just USB2
blah blah...
People were right to suggest buying a tablet with HDMI out then the ouya, and that's what I did also!
I don't want to spend $100 each year on cheap sh!t but many people do.
It's there business model to sell cheap hardware to children every year.. the MOJO is an teen/adult product for sure, that's why it's worth three times as much.
I wanted to believe in ouya as it was the first, but over time their talk and what they produce is two different things.
If you want to read my rant about this, it's here: http://xpcoin.com/2013/12/16/a-game-developers-analysis-of-the-mad-catz-mojo/
Everyone is waiting on KitKat, some doubt it will happen, but they have been saying it will come, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
For most things 4.4.2 is fine as is, it's a pain with google play, but there's ways around it for most apps.
If you are serious about emulating PSX and N64 why not build a small PC box??
Or better yet get the actual hardware and get a rom interface board
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Tried the PC box thing, just didn't like the way it felt. So I jailbroke my PS3 and use retroXMB for most things. But the PS3 can't do PSX emulation right (only non-shader boot rome in MM which gives you no customizations options) and N64 is out of the question.
So spending $150 for a MOJO just for a couple of emulators (FPse and N64 and....if the gods smile upon me....a gamecube emulator, if that could handle it, but I can live without it) makes me a happy girl and saves me the hundreds of dollars for the PC box.
Yes, I got my MOJO for $150. They had a quick sale on Amazon and got lucky. Ironically, as much as I love it, I probably wouldn't pay $250 since at that point I might as well just buy a custom PC. But, hell, $150 for a micro console that is essentially an major improvement on the OUYA priced at around the same price is/was a no-brainer.
Thx guys for all the advice. Im a dummie when it comes to this stuff and appreciate the clarification!

Ouya
mherma said:
I don't think OUYA is necessarily a scam...come on now, for $100 you get an Android gaming console with controller - plus I think they were the first company out there that really got a lot of us excited about an Android gaming console.
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Claiming to be an emulation device when their controllers don't have start/select, I call this profiting at the expense of it's fans!
When they launched, their controller was $30, after they launched it went to $50, I call this extortion!
All games free to play but require a Credit Card at setup! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The 'Free the games' fund benifited larger studios while publicly shafting the the indie devs it claimed to support from the start!!! :crying:
WHAT IF I REACH MY FUNDING GOAL BUT FALL SHORT OF RAISING $50K OR MISS MY FUNDING GOAL ENTIRELY? IS MY PROJECT STILL REQUIRED TO BE AN OUYA EXCLUSIVE?
No. We only require the 6-month OUYA exclusivity if we provide funds for your project out of the $1M Free the Games Fund (e.g., you successfully reach your funding objective, surpass $50,000 in funding, and therefore receive matched funds from us). Of course, if you don’t meet your Kickstarter goal at all, then maybe that means you can’t afford to make a game. We’ll be sad, of course, but we’ll understand if the game you can’t afford to make isn’t on OUYA.
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Yeah, I call Ouya a scam:laugh:
It might have been the first 'microconsole' but it has zero integrity to me.

Playable On Mojo?

So I was shopping for games this morning and I realized just how far microconsole gaming has to go. Honestly at this point how many games can you play on Shield that you can't already play on your Mojo? I like everyone am holding on to my wallet just biting at the bit to lay down my 199.00 for my new shield console This as I am staring at a Fire Tv, Adt1,Ouya that are not even plugged in I hate to admit it but Ouya is still ahead of the game when it comes to controller based games on Android. Downloading from Google Play is a crap shoot in many cases? They also have the storage issue down pat which many of its newer Android Tv bretherin are yet to accomplish. The stupid part is, When I think about Ouya I get pissed because they just keep doing stupid sh?t:silly: Maybe it's the idea I am in love with?
So how many more boxes will I buy before I get a clue?:cyclops:

I really wonder when the Shield console will release? No pre orders are available yet, and I'm not sure what they are waiting for. The demand must be high or something. I wouldn't buy a fire TV or OUYA because the new shield will destroy those two products combined!

disorder78 said:
I really wonder when the Shield console will release? No pre orders are available yet, and I'm not sure what they are waiting for. The demand must be high or something. I wouldn't buy a fire TV or OUYA because the new shield will destroy those two products combined!
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The Shield is supposed to be in May. I wonder if Google plans to step up the content on Android TV around the same time? The Razor Forge should also be along shortly. I just want one Android microconsole that does it all

Yea and I'm tired of spending $100 dollars for ****ty micro consoles. The Shield console should definitely change that.

disorder78 said:
Yea and I'm tired of spending $100 dollars for ****ty micro consoles. The Shield console should definitely change that.
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I can bet you that the new shield will not be 100% working.. there'll be issues with AndroidTV, limited onboard storage, etc etc.
The trick is to enjoy what works and work around what doesn't.
It's early days in the 'micro console' days.
I wouldn't be surprised if new TV's come out with AndroidTV pre-installed on cheap dual core SoC's. :good:

gwaldo said:
I can bet you that the new shield will not be 100% working.. there'll be issues with AndroidTV, limited onboard storage, etc etc.
The trick is to enjoy what works and work around what doesn't.
It's early days in the 'micro console' days.
I wouldn't be surprised if new TV's come out with AndroidTV pre-installed on cheap dual core SoC's. :good:
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Tell you what I refuse to buy another box that is strapped for storage space. I will keep my Mojo and Draco until then. Do you think NVidia would be stupid enough to release the console with a major flaw like that? I know Shield is supposed to be about game streaming but what of Google Play support? I own games on Fire TV, AndroidTV, Ouya I would love to get them all on one box but I know that's never going to happen
Do any of you own and play Ouya Games? I have been trying to decide if spending money on the Ouya platform is a losing battle? They are still adding games all the time many are good ones. They have the partnership with Playcast Media which is awesome by the way. They have the largest library of Controller based Android games that I know of. My opinion is there is a Bigboy other than just the China partners that is keeping them going maybe as a test bed of some kind. How else could they still be here? They already have a tie with NVidia? To me the whole microconsole industry is very interesting to see how this will all play out. What's your guess?
well the Shield just got much more interesting offering a 500gb console......OUYA!!!

wastate2014 said:
well the Shield just got much more interesting offering a 500gb console......OUYA!!!
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Where did you get the 500gb on the shield from?
I can't see nvidia doing so, not for 199USD.
The obox has a harddisk but it's not X1.
The future is Android :good:

gwaldo said:
Where did you get the 500gb on the shield from?
I can't see nvidia doing so, not for 199USD.
The obox has a harddisk but it's not X1.
The future is Android :good:
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NVidia for a short time had a 299.00 option with 500gb. I have since read a retraction on Android Police.

wastate2014 said:
Do any of you own and play Ouya Games? I have been trying to decide if spending money on the Ouya platform is a losing battle? They are still adding games all the time many are good ones. They have the partnership with Playcast Media which is awesome by the way. They have the largest library of Controller based Android games that I know of. My opinion is there is a Bigboy other than just the China partners that is keeping them going maybe as a test bed of some kind. How else could they still be here? They already have a tie with NVidia? To me the whole microconsole industry is very interesting to see how this will all play out. What's your guess?
well the Shield just got much more interesting offering a 500gb console......OUYA!!!
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Ouya seeks quick sale as debts mount
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-04-29-ouya-seeks-quick-sale-as-debts-mount
I never did get the ouya, the sorry dev kits said it all really.
TegraZone have a good controller game library and google play last year introduced the controller friendly icon, so that should be even better.
And now nvidia up'ing it's game.. yeah Ouya was an interesting experiment.. like GameStick
But, your right.. Ouya's worth something.. someone will buy it cheap.. and maybe make their own microconsole.. Ouya II :laugh:

wastate2014 said:
NVidia for a short time had a 299.00 option with 500gb. I have since read a retraction on Android Police.
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Looks like that option is back:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XO7AK1U/ref=cm_sw_su_dp
To bad the 16GB $199 version has no SATA port.. it has the 2.5' drive bay tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFZfCBXw6K4
I hope someone hacks it.
A 1TB drive and the $199 option would have sold better then a $299 IMO.

gwaldo said:
Looks like that option is back:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XO7AK1U/ref=cm_sw_su_dp
To bad the 16GB $199 version has no SATA port.. it has the 2.5' drive bay tho:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFZfCBXw6K4
I hope someone hacks it.
A 1TB drive and the $199 option would have sold better then a $299 IMO.
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LOL You caught me in the middle of a cluster f**k. I have waited and now I can't make up my mind ? At $300 that's getting awful close to my PS4 so then I start asking myself what the Shield will offer me that my Ps4 can't? I have to wonder at this point if they should not have added the 8gig of ram and made it a true console?
To me if the 16GB version is expandable you are right it would be better to just add a 1TB hard-drive for the extra money ? . So it does have a 2.5 internal HD bay? Then I am curious if a external HD via USB will work ?
Speaking of cluster f**ks , recent reviews of Android TV have not been the greatest . Serious lack of programs and games . The Forge TV looks to be a big disaster , no Netflix or external drive support , controller issues they must have taken a course from the Ouya school of Business ?
I may be waiting awhile with my Mojo and Ouya to see how this pans out.

I think game consoles are old fashioned.... Like wearing a watch.
Yeah android TV will take a lot of time to mature.
Because it has no touch screen ... Lol remember when the mojo came out lol
But it has to done that way..
Eventually it will gain more support and apps.
There's always sideloading
I'd rather android over Sony's or Microsoft's platform.
Same, plan on sticking with mojo at least till the end of the year.
Android M External Storage Can Be 'Adopted' As True Internal Storage Or Accessed Normally With No Additional Apps:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...or-accessed-normally-with-no-additional-apps/

It looks like the Shield 16gb has done everything right (+external storage) based off of the reviews I've seen. At least better than this sh** product called the MOJO. Nvidia has saved Android TV and I hope they are happy because their product rocks!
Who is buying one? Anyone?

disorder78 said:
It looks like the Shield 16gb has done everything right (+external storage) based off of the reviews I've seen. At least better than this sh** product called the MOJO. Nvidia has saved Android TV and I hope they are happy because their product rocks!
Who is buying one? Anyone?
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+external storage? you mean having NTFS and xfat?
Let us know if you find people adding a SATA drive as native storage to shield 16g. :good:

Ok here is what I actually found out. I have been told that you cannot move games to a USB HDD. : ( You are allowed to move games to a SD card up to 128 GB. I also heard you cannot add your own SATA drive to the empty drive bay because there is no SATA port inside of the Shield Android TV. I'm a little disappointing with this news, but I still believe the Shield is a great product.
Android M should fix this problem if the software ever comes to Shield Android TV.

wastate2014 said:
So I was shopping for games this morning and I realized just how far microconsole gaming has to go. Honestly at this point how many games can you play on Shield that you can't already play on your Mojo? I like everyone am holding on to my wallet just biting at the bit to lay down my 199.00 for my new shield console This as I am staring at a Fire Tv, Adt1,Ouya that are not even plugged in I hate to admit it but Ouya is still ahead of the game when it comes to controller based games on Android. Downloading from Google Play is a crap shoot in many cases? They also have the storage issue down pat which many of its newer Android Tv bretherin are yet to accomplish. The stupid part is, When I think about Ouya I get pissed because they just keep doing stupid sh?t:silly: Maybe it's the idea I am in love with?
So how many more boxes will I buy before I get a clue?:cyclops:
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IF ouya would of used a tegra 4 and had 2 gigs of ram, they would have done really really well. It was just to underpowered to impress. I think shield tv is going to own the living room. Mojo could stay around if they update to android tv and drop the price to $99.99

subcreep said:
IF ouya would of used a tegra 4 and had 2 gigs of ram, they would have done really really well. It was just to underpowered to impress. I think shield tv is going to own the living room. Mojo could stay around if they update to android tv and drop the price to $99.99
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The Madcatz store has the Mojo down to $103.99. I am pretty sure they are phasing out the Mojo as there is no reference at all on there homepage. The sad thing is Mojo at 2years old still outpowers allot of the current boxes. I looked at the benchmarks of Forge Tv, and the Mojo is neck and neck. Madcatz just dropped the ball with software and seems to have lost interest in any further development . With Razer buying out Ouya I am going to keep the Mojo and see how the new boxes come together after the bugs get worked out.

Mojo and shield
Hi all yeah bought my mojo here in UK for £89. Gotta admit the was some problems at first, but eventually have mine running sweet as a nut. Given the fact that android gaming is on the rise surely makes larger companies like nvidia to push this forward. But scince the release of ouya there has always been a common problem, the issus of compatible Google play store, even the powerful nvidia shield has its problems with that. I use my nexus 7 for gaming with my madcatz mojo controller and play store on here is vastly more. Even looking at the new shield TV console which dam looks good, still is going to have the same problem we all get. Looks to me the new shield has focused more on a device to be a PC streamer from there servers. I am for one not entirely comfortable with That. Rather use my Pc.

KMAXLEE1983 said:
But scince the release of ouya there has always been a common problem, the issus of compatible Google play store, even the powerful nvidia shield has its problems with that.
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Game compatibility on Android is often just an arbitrary lock that can by fixed by device spoofing or sideloading apps extracted from other devices (for example your Nexus 7). And if Market Helper fails in some cases or the target device hasn't been rooted I recommend installing Android X86 on a virtual machine where it's irrelevant if you damage that system when editing the build.prop file.

Mojo and shield
Yeah Google play store checks your device then shows compatible apps based on build prop. I've been modding files for long time and certainly when it came to my mojo, the only way for me which worked best was to modify the build prop. Mojo is stock ROM running moddaco mod, which rooted gave me some more access to apps, 2nd by looking at list from nexus 7 still found lack of apps mainly Gameloft. So I decided to edit build prop file, tricky and bricked device few times, but after days of tinkering and going back and forth to get the file abbreviations put correctly. Build prop file is now running as nvidia shield. With some performance tweaks to cut cpu lag out, Market compatibility is now a lot better. Now I did try out the cm12 on the mojo, liked it and although play store did show more high end games mainly some of the regular games did not show as compatible. Ie- dead trigger. Tried the modacco mod. But it didn't like that. Tonight next move I will try would be cm12, root with towelroot, then apply nvidia build prop. See how it goes, but given the fact play store on shield still suffers I might compile the build prop up from the nexus 7 or looking at the jxd line from there gaming tablets. In all like to see company's working on the goal of compiling the code right for the device to be fully compatible based on spec rather than device model and with the right integration of software for full controller support, seems its all left to us to pick up the pieces to get things to work properly. Lol