Hi together!
I own my Nexus 10 since March 2013. Everything worked fine for me (i was always on the latest Stock Rom - did no reset etc.).
Well, by the time i noticed that the nexus has become a bit slow and laggy. Especially since I got a Nexus 5 which is just fast without any lag since christmas last year. Everything is also on stock there...
Last week I had enough and I did a factory reset. Well, compared to the Nexus 5 it still feels laggy. Every click takes a some time before something happens. It's not that bad that I couldn't use it, but it is a bit disturbing.
Main question 1: Guys, am i just confused because my Nexus 5 is that smooth, or is the Nexus 10 just simply old and too weak for KitKat.
I know, i could use some custom roms. But i am totaly ok with the Stock rom. I like it, as it is! So i don't urgently need a custom rom.
Main question 2: What possibilities do I have, to make the stock rom a little bit more smooth?
Thanks for your tips!
I've noticed that the performance seems to have slipped a bit since KitKat. Maybe its just me, but some of the 4.2.2 ROMs here were very smooth (though they are sadly discontinued now). There are still a handful of solid roms for kitkat. I haven't been on a stock ROM since the day I bought my Nexus 10 so I can't comment on stock.
You sound pretty firm about not flashing a custom ROM but I would urge you to reconsider for the boost in performance--not to mention added features. Aside from that you could try a custom kernel or various tweaks. There are some mods here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking that add a little boost through scripts like zipalign, better memory management, etc. That's about all you can do.
brGabriel said:
I've noticed that the performance seems to have slipped a bit since KitKat. Maybe its just me, but some of the 4.2.2 ROMs here were very smooth (though they are sadly discontinued now). There are still a handful of solid roms for kitkat. I haven't been on a stock ROM since the day I bought my Nexus 10 so I can't comment on stock.
You sound pretty firm about not flashing a custom ROM but I would urge you to reconsider for the boost in performance--not to mention added features. Aside from that you could try a custom kernel or various tweaks. There are some mods here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking that add a little boost through scripts like zipalign, better memory management, etc. That's about all you can do.
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I agree with ^^^^^^. Custom roms + overclock would be your best friend for an aging device. When you are used to the speed of a faster device like the nexus 5, the nexus 10 will just naturally feel slower (which it is). There is really not much you can do if you insist on staying stock. For me, I'm using mrrobinson's 4.3.1 buttered AOKP with Manta kernel, OC CPU to 1900mhz, set touchboost to cpu 1500mhz and gpu 533mhz. The device feels noticeably faster than stock, but of course it will never be as smooth/fast as your nexus 5.
Hi!
Thanks for your answers and for the confirmation of my perception.
I just don't have the time for testing so many roms, but maybe i will try one or two...
I also thought maybe I could change the CPU Govenor of Stock or Overclock it...
Well, however - it's a two year old device - that's tech live!
guitargod said:
Hi!
Thanks for your answers and for the confirmation of my perception.
I just don't have the time for testing so many roms, but maybe i will try one or two...
I also thought maybe I could change the CPU Govenor of Stock or Overclock it...
Well, however - it's a two year old device - that's tech live!
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I run 4.4.4 on my N10 with no appreciable amount of lag.
I run Slim Rom.
I don't overclock, mod kernels, etc.
This tablet doesn't need any of that.
I do run Greenify, Ad Away, and Autostarts. This keeps my tablet as snappy as the day I loaded the ROM.
Run any ROM for a while and it starts to lag. Root allows you to correct the issue.
I find it really lags when apps are updating, or when restoring apps. I never considered my Note 2 fast but it handles all of these tasks with barely a whimper. Guess # of cores is important.
Its time for a new tablet soon, but not really sure what I'm going to go with. I want to get away from Samsung's physical/capacitive buttons, but also want high res and speed.
Holy crap mine started lagging out of the blue about a week ago. I'm going to take this as a sign that a new nexus 10 is coming and google wants us to upgrade!
My Nexus 5 has really spoiled me as far as smoothness. I'm on slimkat on my Nexus 10 but I'll be trying a 4.2.2 rom to see if there is a difference as some threads around here say.
As far as KitKat Roms go, I find Liquidsmooth to be very snappy (however the YouTube app crashes are a deal breaker for making it my daily driver )
Probably the smoothest ROM I've ever run was Sabermod 4.2.2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292927
Also the early Eos 4.2.2 ROMs were really good too. They also had tablet mode or left-aligned navigation buttons.
There are plenty other good ones but that's just my two cents.
My advice would be to run the 'performance' CPU scheduler, which locks the CPU at 1.7ghz. Makes quite a big difference, and the impact on battery life is minor. :good:
I've installed AOKP 4.3.3 and so far it's way smoother than KK. In going to try Eos 4.2.2 and see how it does.
The nexus 10 is not too weak for kitkat
I find that Nexus 10 on KitKat with a custom rom and kernel runs very smooth and fluid (at least as fluid as nexus 4 which is very good).
Personally I run official Omnirom 4.4.4 with franco kernel r16. I have also flashed bionic and dalvik optimized libraries which are actually intended for qualcomm devices - but by some magic work well on my nexus 10 and improve performance in benchmarks by as much as 20%! And browser and interface feels much smoother after flashing these library patches.
You can download them in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/general/mod-dalvik-bionic-library-optimization-t2537299
I flashed the Z2 bionic and the Moto X 4.4.2 dalvik files. (They work on 4.4.4). Flash patches before flashing custom kernel. (download 4.4.4 KTU84P stock library also and flash in case you get a bootloop after flashing the optimized libraries)
First of all, this is not a childish "versus" topic to flame fanboys spirits. I just need some technical understanding of some issues.
So... I've run four or five Lollipop 5.1.1 custom ROMs on my C5303, including CM, AICP, XenonHD, Mokee. All are great and fast and developers made a tremendous job. Not all of them are so friendly with Tangerine kernel (I need a custom kernel for increasing in-calls phone volume), per instance, Mokee hangs and struggle like hell. AICP works well with T-kernel, but with some issues (reported by users), when the device will freeze for a few seconds. XenonHD loves T-kernel - no problem at all!
Still, all of these fantastic custom ROMs , with or without custom kernel, are sluggish compared with stock 4.3 Sony ROM. I've made a nandroid backup in TWRP of my XenonHD - T-Kernel installation and installed Binomical SLIM 4.3 base don stock. Just for the heck of remembering the Sony UI, I intended to restore XenonHD soon after. I'm still on Binomical 4.3. Man, this is FAST! This is a blazing rocket compared with any of the Lollipop ROMs!
On Lollipop ROMs I've had ~ 300 MB free RAM, on stock 4.3 (OK, deodexed and slim) I only have 150 MB, but Sony's ROM is way faster and smoother. It really looks like I have a completely new device in my hand. How is this possible? Why? The hardware drivers? Is X-SP really not able to handle Lollipop in a decent manner?
XDA developers worked so hard to gave us the Lollipop ROMs, and I praise their work, but looks like X-SP best choice is still the old JellyBean 4.3.
Agree.
All lollipop roms are really fast in the beginning but after sometime,it begins to lag and become slow and sluggish.I have tried many lollipop roms but always returned to stock rom.It's been 2-3 months that i'm on stock and didn't flashed any other rom.
dude flash latest cm12.1 nightly nd ull forget stock
4.1.2>4.3>5.1.1
I dont think this, i not know what version you test of aicp and xennon, thes lasts versions of aicp are laggy and xennon has battery drain sometimes, but the others no, all depends of the rom, have lollipops roms laggy and have lollipop fast roms, have kikkat laggy roms and have kitkat fast roms, and the same of all android version, the rom stock have good performance but battery drains, now i in miui 7, performance and battery are awesome
I NEVER had battery drains on stock ROM. Yes, lots of bloatware on official stock , but not battery drains. I also didn't encounter battery drain on any of the Lollipop ROM's I've tried - AICP stable and about 10 version of nightlies, CM, XenonHD latest and Mokee. Yes, those were not so "green" as stock, but nothing so horrible, maybe 10-20% less battery power than stock. The issues regarding battery were on calibration of the battery percentage, per instance it used to go downward normally till 6%, then, bang!, the telephone turned off with 0% battery all of a sudden. Anyway, this is a insignificant issue, I don't care if I'm gonna recharge battery one hour earlier, the real problem that brought me back to 4.3 stock was the PERFORMANCE.
What I can't figure out is how come 300MB free RAM Lollipop is worst than 150 MB RAM JellyBean. Why? Xperia SP can't deal with ART instructions, it's Dalvik-only? I mean, OK, our developers have limited resources and most of them test their code on their own device, they have to be careful and not trying something risky; by contrast, Sony have unlimited resources to develop and tune their ROM. I know that, it's obvious, all my respect to XDA developers. What I'm trying to figure out is what's that bump in the road, what keeps X-SP Lollipop to be blazing fast? It's ART? It's drivers? I't Tangerine kernel, that most of us "married" with LP ROM's?
Thank you guys.
To be honest, you have answered your own question based on your newer question.
It is optimisation, man. 4.3 (or prior), those stock ROMs are made by Sony. Since it is made by Sony, you can expect a very great deal out of it, battery life, performance and all of those sweet things.
Since Sony lied to SP users and abandoned the SP with the last known version 4.3, we have problems on optimising ROMs because of no official blobs to refer to.
It has been until now. Everything is, thanks to the hard work of developers, our Xperia SP can still run newer Android versions while still maintaining the "blaziness" of the ROM.
Needless to say, its optimisations.
As always, you have the rights on which ROM to use, so choose the one that suits you.
Guys, I am thinking of buying Xperia SP to use with Cyanogenmod 12.1 instead of cheap budget phone like Motorola E 4G. Price for me is the same, actually SP is cheaper than Motorola E.
I like SP because fast CPU and GPU ( Adreno 320 ! ) so it's no slouch and it has official CM12.1 support. I don't want to use anything other than latest 12.1 but I'm worried about performance and battery. Is it really that bad ?
I cannot try out the ROMs myself as I have not bought SP yet.
Is any CM12.1 ROM stable, fast and with good battery performance ? I see you have custom kernels for CM12.1 but what is the Linux version - is it 3.10 or above ?
Does SP have heating issues and performance problems ( like so many claim here ) ? Or maybe that appears only after some years of usage ?
What about this screen flickering problem which seems to be present in all CM12.1 ? How bad is it ?
Thanks for your assistance !
"Does SP have heating issues and performance problems ( like so many claim here ) ? Or maybe that appears only after some years of usage ?" It has those issues, but I think it depends on certain devices. Mine for example overheats with any rom, no matter stock or custom, while there are people who never experience those problems. As for stock vs custom it's clear enough that stock is best optimised.
I tested a lot ROMS.
I like the OMNI ROM (Android 4.4.4). It's really fast and stable. Maybe you should try it.
I like also the Xenon HD ROM (Android 5.1.1). It's fast. Not so stable, but still very good..
After a few days it gets a little laggy. I´d liked to know why to. Faced the same problem with AICP.
I've had similar experience as you guys with lollipop custom ROMS. As much as I wanted to like them, after trying few, I have switched back to stock. Lollipop roms look nice, they offer more features and battery life is amazing compared to stock. However, none of the roms are stable enough to be used as a daily driver. After few days every single one of them refused to boot up, forcing my phone into recovery mode, so the only way out was to reflash. It has been a nice experience, but XSP is my one and only phone needed for communication, not a toy, therefore I need something that works and does it reliably. I think I'd just get a nexus or motorola when it's the time to upgrade.
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Guys, I am thinking of buying Xperia SP to use with Cyanogenmod 12.1 instead of cheap budget phone like Motorola E 4G. Price for me is the same, actually SP is cheaper than Motorola E.
I like SP because fast CPU and GPU ( Adreno 320 ! ) so it's no slouch and it has official CM12.1 support. I don't want to use anything other than latest 12.1 but I'm worried about performance and battery. Is it really that bad ?
I cannot try out the ROMs myself as I have not bought SP yet.
Is any CM12.1 ROM stable, fast and with good battery performance ? I see you have custom kernels for CM12.1 but what is the Linux version - is it 3.10 or above ?
Does SP have heating issues and performance problems ( like so many claim here ) ? Or maybe that appears only after some years of usage ?
What about this screen flickering problem which seems to be present in all CM12.1 ? How bad is it ?
Thanks for your assistance !
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No heating issues, I mean CPU gets hot sometimes (with not regard of the ROM installed), but it's all at thigh as 60°C. Most Android devices are well in specs on that thermal level.
Performance regarded. CM Vanilla or most of the 5.1.1 custom ROM - it's fast for the day 1, then it gets little sluggish, you'll have to boot to recovery and clear dalvik/art cache to refresh you device. If you don't need kernel level modifications I recommend you to stay with stock FOTA, Tangerine kernel might cause some screen or device freeze and stutter.
Years of usage to get slower performance? LOL We're talking about hours!
Display flickering (or getting yellowish) I guess it's hardware related - some X-SP never experienced it (mine included).
OK. Thanks for your feedback guys. I cannot test myself since I don't have device.
Do you think developer support is strong enough that they will manage to get Android 6 working properly on SP ?
big dilemma
Hi guys,
I have big dilemma what to do. My wife liked to buy the XSP because of the LED lights etc. She uses the phone mostly for calling, texting and music listening. As she has the Deezer premium acc I went in big troubles with XSP because the known bad memory management. More than one year she have bothered with it(and me too . After the 2years waranty ending I have decided to root, UBL and test custom ROMs. First we have tried the lightered stock ArchXperia, which was not helping us. Now she is since August on CM12 nightly. Yes, Deezer works good now, but on the other hand she is missing the stock Sony apps, working LED bar(with music), stock FM radio and generaly dislike the 5.1 Android (she is little bit old school, not likes many new things to learn).
Please, could somebody recommend to me any rom, which is stable, close to stock look (apps incl.) and has good ram management, that Deezer will work good, without memory issues?
Was it maybe wrong, that I have skipped the 4.4.4 Android over?
Many thanks in advance for any kind of tip or idea.
BPavel said:
Hi guys,
I have big dilemma what to do. My wife liked to buy the XSP because of the LED lights etc. She uses the phone mostly for calling, texting and music listening. As she has the Deezer premium acc I went in big troubles with XSP because the known bad memory management. More than one year she have bothered with it(and me too . After the 2years waranty ending I have decided to root, UBL and test custom ROMs. First we have tried the lightered stock ArchXperia, which was not helping us. Now she is since August on CM12 nightly. Yes, Deezer works good now, but on the other hand she is missing the stock Sony apps, working LED bar(with music), stock FM radio and generaly dislike the 5.1 Android (she is little bit old school, not likes many new things to learn).
Please, could somebody recommend to me any rom, which is stable, close to stock look (apps incl.) and has good ram management, that Deezer will work good, without memory issues?
Was it maybe wrong, that I have skipped the 4.4.4 Android over?
Many thanks in advance for any kind of tip or idea.
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Try a slim stock ROM, just as Binomical, based o stock JB 4.3. .207. It includes Williams kernel and that might do the trick with RAM management.
Yes, thank you, I was thinking about exactly this one... good to have the choice confirmed. Just installed, look forward to try it and test it on my wife
BPavel said:
Yes, thank you, I was thinking about exactly this one... good to have the choice confirmed. Just installed, look forward to try it and test it on my wife
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Or maybe you can check out the cm11 last build. Used to be on cm11 for a year with William's kernel and was pretty good. With some apps you can have the disco lights fully functional.
i got a galaxy s4 (i9505) today. it is stock with locked bootloader. i will root it and use some xda magic on it
things i care about:
- BATTERY
- music
- taking photo/video
- browsing
i dont care about performance that much since i dont play games
i have a few questions:
1) should i install custom rom or an optimized stock rom and wich?
2) kitkat or lillipop?
3) what is the best kernel?
4) any tips for a new s4 user?
Well, if it's an I9505 it doesn't have a locked bootloader. That "honor" is reserved for AT&T and Verizon models. That said...
1. Stock. AOSP-based ROMs generally require installing a third-party camera app to be able to use features like HDR.
2 and 3. You'll have to try them out for yourself. I personally use Albe95's S6 port which uses the Aurora kernel. His Lollirom uses Imperium kernel IIRC.
4. Read the stickies, then read them some more. Read the thread for your chosen ROM. Most of all, have fun.
Go on youtube and search for wicked android hd.
It's a guy who made reviews on pretty much all the s4 roms here.
If you're going for AOSP style roms (Like CM), Alucard kernel would be my recommendation.
The phone tends to get really hot at times. I guess this is common with the s4. Mine reached 72 degrees celsius while playing GTA San Andreas.
its really hard when a device this popular has been out for 2 years. there are sooooooooo many roms and other mods for it that its really hard to know whats good and what not.
thank you guys for all your help
Wow 72 degrees, mine goes 45 and I have to put the phone down to cool
Hey guys I just installed Goldeneye on my ATT S4. The reason I left 4.4.2 was to hopefully gain a little more speed, I play a game on my phone all the time called Ace Fishing and every now and then I get a reduction in frames that really hurts me ingame.
Well I updated per instructions for Safestrap users and everything got up and running no problem, but this rom uses alot more RAM than the previous version and the lag has gotten atleast twice as bad since upgrading. I always clear activities and clear ram before launching. Its fine for 5 minutes but then all the background tasks start kicking in and when I check it says 1.37gb in use! 4.2.4 I had down to 535-605MB in use while playing. I have disabled every running app I see in the application manager (that it will allow me) I have also done all the tricks I can find online, like disabling S voice, force GPU rendering, I even tried setting limit background process to no background process which made no difference.
Is there anything I can do to make this rom run as fast as 4.4.2 or atleast cut the RAM it uses in half like it was?
(I chose goldeneye full install not slim, would slim be faster?)
Thanks!!
Atually Stock Lollipop is slow as hell compared to KitKat. I've been using GE for some time and I had to go back to 4.4 because the phone was really slow, I mean... Really. I recommend you to install Pure Nexus ROM, I personally think is the fastest. There're also some ROMs LP bases which were compiled preferably for gaming. Search for ROMs in the "Android Development" sub-forum.
Wish you luck.
I found a solution. I bought a galaxy note5. lmao
Hello, I would like to know how are the android 6 roms, especially aosp/aokp or cm?
I want to buy s4 but i need to know if there will be restarts, fcs or other things on custom MM roms in front of stock LP roms.
Thanks
Depends on what model you plan on getting.
Also, stability varies a lot from user to user.
I personally never have any issues with ROMs I use.
Hi there
I would say that Official Cyanogenmod 13 is a good choice or a more optimised one like JDC is a great choice. They are definitely stable and usable as a faily driver.
In terms of which S4 to buy... I would say hold off the American Carrier ones as they prove to be a pain when flashing custom Roms. I'd say the i9500 may not be the best option as though it has slightly better performance with its octa-core processor than the snapdragon ones, it doesn't have 4g capability which instantly makes the phone feel dated. i9506 seems good as it supports the LTE advanced and is faster than i9505, however the main drawback is the custom rom support is not as good as the i9505 model. Overall I would reccomend the i9505 model with Snapdragon 600 processor, LTE capability and the mass custom Rom support.
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I would get I9505. Last I used CM on xperia x8, it was fast but had many random reboots and other problems. Since this I have used stock or stock based custom roms with almost no problems. Sometimes when I read about CM/aosp I still find random reboots posts but also posts presenting no problems. Thats why i am asking