Now that M2 aqua and z4 tablet is out, what do you think about capless waterproofing? Is it really more reliable and durable or should have they made it double protection? I still haven't seen schematics on how this actually provides waterproof connection. I am thinking it is not dependent on some coating but it's that the charging port is somehow isolated from the inside or just protruding.
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hi, i think capless waterproofing may work well with headphones connector (large contacts and relatively low frequency signals) but for usb port i wish to have sealed cap in order to prevent corrosive fluids (likesalt water) and dust (like sand) to enter the port damaging the coating of the contacts thus making the connection unreliable. Probably a normal usage will show no disadvantages but who knows.... for instance i often use my waterproof mobile on kayak where salt water spray is usual
M4 aqua I think. Sony told that after water you must wait about 30 min till it dry out, then you can charge it
That stuff seems scary. Like there's electrocution potential there. Lol.
I think the usb port is part of the middle frame and it's fixed there. The cables are behind it. It like the port is a protruding part from the case
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Afternoon peeps
I have discovered something a little concerning about the XZ.
I clean my phone on a regular basis of fingerprints and dust, today I noticed the little rubber covers were dirty around the sill so I decided to clean them. with a cloth I wiped down the phones glass slabs and then wiped the rubber gaskets as with these ports there are nooks and cranies where dirt can get so I got out the compressed air to blow out any small particles.
To my horror the phone inflated making the screen and the back glass flex out off the phone like a balloon, I was sure I was seeing this so i held the phone in a manner where i could watch the reflection on the glass and sure enough it's bending to accommodate the compressed air. This may explain the glass being very sturdy to drops due to this flex, but how thick is it if it bends so easily?
For reference I was using canned compressed air, not a high powered high compressor.
I thought I'd share with the community about this, I suppose it shows it's water tight as it didn't escape out a gap etc.
Either way i'm a little shocked at the glass thickness.
has this ever happened to you with a different cell phone?
Any photo evidence of bubble phone?
That sounds like the battery expanding. It could indicate a faulty battery.
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As I said gentlemen, the phone expands with the air pressure from the compressed air canister. The phone returned to its original shape as soon as I stopped spraying the air.
This isn't a case of the phone staying like it, but seeing glass flex that much is worrying
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LBTaylor1984 said:
As I said gentlemen, the phone expands with the air pressure from the compressed air canister. The phone returned to its original shape as soon as I stopped spraying the air.
This isn't a case of the phone staying like it, but seeing glass flex that much is worrying
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I would much rather see it flex alot then shatter personally. If it can take as much abuse as you say then it simply makes me more confident in its ability to survive damage
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Not surprising, if it bellows out then that means its perfectly sealed. Other IP57 phones would do the same.
Try doing it with a non-IP57 phone and there are plenty of gaps for the air to escape..
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Not surprising, if it bellows out then that means its perfectly sealed. Other IP57 phones would do the same.
Try doing it with a non-IP57 phone and there are plenty of gaps for the air to escape..
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Yeah. Because the phone's shell is sealed. So nothing comes in means nothing will come out.
The phone itself uses thin glass and is flexible. I remember the YouTube videos of the Korean guy who bent his Z into an arc shape (it was fine). So yeah, I'd say what you are seeing is correct.
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Perhaps it's just me, but i'm not used to the term flexible glass I still see glass as a rigid material so any flex seems out of character. It seems fine obviously after this but I just thought it would be solid inflexible etc.
I read the title of the post and got scared -_- lol. After reading it thought I fully understood what went on with the "balloon effect". The glass for these phones are amazing...very strong and flexible...like a pole dancer
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Perhaps it's just me, but i'm not used to the term flexible glass I still see glass as a rigid material so any flex seems out of character. It seems fine obviously after this but I just thought it would be solid inflexible etc.
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Inflexible glass would shatter the instant you dropped it from waist height on to any non carpeted surface.
The glass on the Z is much more intelligently designed and expensive than that.
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Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit of useless information for you.
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Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit if useless information for you.
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If you've ever been in your house in a storm with strong wind, the glass in your windows flexes just as much :good:
decadan1977 said:
Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit of useless information for you.
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Totally.
And some people just don't know how tempered glass works.
I'm a builder and when we demo houses we throw hammers, bricks whatever we can find to smash tempered glass. 99% of the time everything just bounces off.
But tap the raw edge with a chisel and the whole pane literally explodes.
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i see you ride DH so lemme ask you this : is your visor flexible or not ? Yes it is... so it doesn't shatter on impact. the same applies to the glass ! Anything that is flexible is a-okay !
Ride safe !
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Either way i'm a little shocked at the glass thickness.
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People expect lightweight & affordable phones. If you take away those two factors, it would be easily possible to use more advanced materials, but your phone might be a couple of times more expensive and certainty a bit heavier.
Transparent Aluminium
so it really is that much water/air proof !! great
I'd only be concerned if it DIDN'T expand at least slightly. It just proves that it's properly sealed and air/water tight.
Blasting such a small device (or any device) with so many sensitive parts all located close to each other with any form of compressed air (be it canned or motorized compressor) is never a good idea. Unless you truly understand what you are doing and know what will happen as a result.
e.g. no consideration was taken into account that the device is water tight and therefore air tight; the effects of using compressed air on it could have been much more severe given there is no where for the air to depressurize. A bending case/glass is nothing compared to potentially cracking the LCD screen underneath the exterior glass.
An old (clean) toothbrush would probably be the better choice for your next spring cleaning session
This is the so called dragon trail glass I believe its a very strong and flexible glass. Do some research
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My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover has become loose. When I press in it stays in there for 1 second and then slowly rises back out. I checked the port hole to see if there was any lint in there but it's clean. I'm not sure what to do.
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My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover has become loose. When I press in it stays in there for 1 second and then slowly rises back out. I checked the port hole to see if there was any lint in there but it's clean. I'm not sure what to do.
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Hi Mate,
I too worry about this. i think its a small flaw to an otherwise great phone. samsung should take a leaf from the Z2's book for this.
So i pre-ordered the wireless charging cover only to cancel it because it wont fit with my otterbox defender case.
If it breaks off you can buy one from here:
witrigs.com/oem-usb-cover-flap-for-samsung-galaxy-s5-sm-g900f
might need to stock up on a few for the life of the phone. Ive seen that others have completely removed it from the phone also.
What did you expect? Super great build quality?
It's just a 699€ phone dude!
This is the main reason I've gone for the z2 over the s5...i wanted waterproof as work outside a lot and paranoid about water ingress, even putting the phone into a coat that's wet. The flap on the z2 seems far sturdier.
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It is a pretty major flaw to the device. Having to remove it each time you charge in the car is pretty cumbersome as it stands, for it to be stressful on a flimsy cover makes it worse.
Perhaps with enough attention, Samsung could offer a recall to replace it with a sturdier part.
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My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover has become loose. When I press in it stays in there for 1 second and then slowly rises back out. I checked the port hole to see if there was any lint in there but it's clean. I'm not sure what to do.
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My phone isn't even 2 weeks old and the port cover is fine.
You could just bring the fone to the store a ask for waranty replacement ...
Purchased a wireless charger... That should help resolve this design flaw.
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I'm very disappointed at the moment. I currently have a Z3 Compact, whose waterproofing disclaimer stated:
*The Xperia Z3 is waterproof and protected against dust as long as you follow a few simple instructions: all ports and attached covers are firmly closed; you can’t take the phone deeper than 1.5m of water and for longer than 30 minutes; and the water should be fresh water. Casual use in chlorinated pools is permitted provided it’s rinsed in fresh water afterwards. No seawater and no salt water pools. Abuse and improper use of device will invalidate warranty. The phone has an Ingress Protection rating of IP65 and IP68.
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Now however, on the Z5 Premium official page, the disclaimer states:
**** The Xperia Z5 Premium is waterproof and protected against dust, so don’t worry if you get caught in the rain or want to wash off dirt under a tap, but remember: all ports and attached covers should be firmly closed. You should not put the device completely underwater or expose it to seawater, salt water, chlorinated water or liquids such as drinks. Abuse and improper use of device will invalidate warranty. The device has Ingress Protection rating IP65/68.
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What they're describing is a water-resistant phone, not waterproof. I'd like to ask Sony if it was really worth it to put the usb port outside the flap and lose the possibility to use the phone underwater like I always did.
I feel like this may be erroneous. They list the device on the specs page as IP65 AND IP68. These two certifications, I do not believe, we incorrectly placed. They are putting a strong emphasis on how their device is IP6x certified, and I doubt they'd be lying about this haha.
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I feel like this may be erroneous. They list the device on the specs page as IP65 AND IP68. These two certifications, I do not believe, we incorrectly placed. They are putting a strong emphasis on how their device is IP6x certified, and I doubt they'd be lying about this haha.
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It's indeed IP65/68 certified, yet they tell you not to submerge the phone. They're practically saying "you want to submerge it? theoretically the phone should survive the dunk, practically if it dies we're not gonna cover with our warranty"
So I'm assuming Sony just changed their view of returns based on water damage. Do you think the phone is physically less capable of resisting water?
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So I'm assuming Sony just changed their view of returns based on water damage. Do you think the phone is physically less capable of resisting water?
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It's just a warranty policy chance
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http://www.androidauthority.com/xperia-z5-no-underwater-641502/
I swear this guy just looked on here a couple of hours ago and made an article out of this.
No, the source of the story is from Xperia Blog, who posted it yesterday. Not sure why the OP didn't reference it.
Well it is understandable why they did it. Sometimes consumer try to abused it. I think sealed flaps is better in seeping the water inside the phone.
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No, the source of the story is from Xperia Blog, who posted it yesterday. Not sure why the OP didn't reference it.
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I wasn't aware of that
well i think all Sony meant is you can't drop your phone in water with corrosive agents like salt or chemical products, but i mean, it's common sense, taking photos in the ocean would destroy usb ports or obstruct the speakers or whatever
They probably did it for warranty purposes. I was just testing out my Z3's water proofread and it ended up getting water in the device. Luckily they replaced the phone still. This new statement will probably reduce the number of warranty claims they have to deal with due to water damage.
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I remember sony losing a legal case around their waterproof claims, since then they have been changing their claims to suit the outcome of that lawsuit.
I'm sorry i don't have a link.
Technically the device is equally waterproof as any previous version (in the sense that all requirements for the IP certification have been met or exceeded)
Yeah they change it so when somebody splashes into the pool from jump board from some heights (which pressure might push the rubber clip too much around the port), they can get away from the claim.
The essence of the device is still the same, only that the USB port is open now and no rubber port mechanism to protect it.
So people just need to take care to not charge the phone straight from water (they should dry it first) and, a proper usage (slow enter) underwater (pool) should be doable.
Regardless of Sony's disclaimer, the phone is rated at ip65/ ip68. That's all what matters.
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Yeah they change it so when somebody splashes into the pool from jump board from some heights (which pressure might push the rubber clip too much around the port), they can get away from the claim.
The essence of the device is still the same, only that the USB port is open now and no rubber port mechanism to protect it.
So people just need to take care to not charge the phone straight from water (they should dry it first) and, a proper usage (slow enter) underwater (pool) should be doable.
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i think i've seen a video of an underwater test (or to be more precise, a dr pepper under-soda test) where, after submerging the phone in the pop, the OP was able to charge it right away without even having the USB port dried out.
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i think i've seen a video of an underwater test (or to be more precise, a dr pepper under-soda test) where, after submerging the phone in the pop, the OP was able to charge it right away without even having the USB port dried out.
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Well that might be doable but just never play water and electricity i say better safe than sorry.
Typically the issue on our phones is that the magnetic port pulls out after a lot of use. I had this and I superglued that sucker back in. Now, I have a whole new issue. One of the little nubs with the metal contact completely came off! I seriously have no idea how they could have happened. It's hard to describe but I'll take a picture when I can to show this. The annoying thing is that I superglued this one in very well. I would have to seriously risk breaking more things to pry this one off to replace it! Despite no update to marshmallow (D6616) and these crazy build issues I still don't see a compelling new phone to replace this one -_-.
Pics. Initially, the little metal circle was gone. I scraped away the rest of the little black circle to expose the little bit of metal that is still sticking out. I can still use the magnetic charging port as long as I carefully attach it in a way that the little metal piece makes contact with the charger.
Please make a photo of your magnetic cable connector too
When the microphone of my z3 broke, the service changed all the frame of my mobile.
i was so happy, my old magnetic charging port was very worn out (almost like your picture)
I blame users using cheap magnetic cables bought from ebay and amazon because of this. Magnets can be super strong, strong, medium, and weak. Mine has been fine since owning the phone Dec 2014. I use the Sony magnetic dock and always charge on it. The only problem I have is that it needs a backbone to charge because DUE TO MY FAULT, when the phone dropped, it bent the trim area of the magnetic port.
People always need to point fingers at everyone besides themselves.
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Pics. Initially, the little metal circle was gone. I scraped away the rest of the little black circle to expose the little bit of metal that is still sticking out. I can still use the magnetic charging port as long as I carefully attach it in a way that the little metal piece makes contact with the charger.
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By the condition of your phone from the pics you posted I'm not surprised. I have 2 magnetic chargers and non have this issue. The magnets are relatively weak - just strong enough to hold the cable to th phone while moving it around - and I've not experienced any issues although my charging port doesn't look near as haggard as the ops.
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I use the magnector connector which is what initially caused my magnetic port to pull out. My magnetic port looks all jacked up because I superglued the port back in but got messy with the glue and had to scrape some off. Anyways despite how messed up my magnetic port looks, the rest of my phone is actually pretty much in new condition. I have had it in a case all its life and a glass screen protector.
Recently my phone was damaged through the charging port due to moisture. In the morning I typically bring my phone with me to keep track of time. Usually I would blow out the port to remove water but when I plugged in my charging cable later in the day, the connector got so hot it burned the tip of my fingers and melted some of its internal plastic into the port. So now I can only charge wirelessly. I'm thinking what if I purchase a magnetic connector and leave it there permanently and seal the gap with some metal purpose caulking. In the case I get moisture on the contacts I can just wipe it off.
Immediately I want to say it's a very bad idea, mainly because most caulking has an off-gassing effect that could be damaging to the sensitive innards of a phone. But! I'm surely willing to be impressed. Be leery not to get any on the actual contacts and use it sparingly, you may be OK.
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Immediately I want to say it's a very bad idea, mainly because most caulking has an off-gassing effect that could be damaging to the sensitive innards of a phone. But! I'm surely willing to be impressed. Be leery not to get any on the actual contacts and use it sparingly, you may be OK.
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When I get my phone back I'll post some pictures.