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The Official Poll for Moto Xoom

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***Since the purpose of the poll is to see who will buy, I am not including the "not sure" option. Please just decide.***

At $800 I still think I'll be picking it up pending a couple of confirmations.
The first being that the HDMI outputs the entire screen like on the Notion Ink Adam, and not like my EVO with only outputting from 2 specific applications.
Second is that they won't require a charge/service to activate WiFi. I have no interest in mobile data. If I need access where I don't usually have it I can tether it to my phone.
I want honeycomb, and I want the higher resolution screen over the Adam, so I'm willing to pay more for them. Until it's released or an official price (rather than a leaked possibly faked/mocked up ad) I'll have to wait and see.

same. my nexus one tethers very well. With unlimited 3g plan from tmobile, im all set on data.

I voted that the Xoom is too expensive for my taste.To be honest, the Toshiba tablet is actually better spec'd than the Xoom. I think I'm going to wait for that one. It's rumored to be $500 wifi only.

I'm getting it regardless. My verizon account is under a military suspension until I re-activate it at no charge, and I currently have a $160 credit on it lol. I just found out, so it's almost like I'm getting it for $640. Hopefully it gets subsidized by vzw for 300, then I can just get it and cancel, then really get it for $650.
I'm not worried about price, it will get worked out... all this talk about the price should show motorola there is a huge consumer demand for their tablet.

I'm a no but with a caveiat. I don't need a 32 gig tablet. If Moto comes out with a 16 gig version that would fall more in line with my price point.

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I'll bite if the price is $700 without this bogus wifi activation fee.
But rather than buying first day, I'm now planning on waiting to see if TMo's G-Slate is any good. I doubt there will be Xoom shortages, so I see no reason to be first-in-line.

Yes. I don't think there'll be any shortages.
Although I can't see LG going significantly (or any) lower than the xoom given its 3d features.
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I'm on board with existing conditions. Notion Ink Adam is still vapor to me. As much as I applaud their David and Goliath struggle that is increasing rare, I must face facts. There is no guarantee that they will be around in 2 years, hell they could be hemorrhaging funds and be under in the next 6 months.
I also don't think the 1.2" smaller screen on the LG G-Slate will make up for the extra 5mp camera, and 120hz capable screen. Plus, who the hell asked for 3D in a tablet. It's as bad as Sprint's stupid kyocera dual screen phone. It's an industry first AND LAST.
Toshiba Tablet seems like a botched job. How does a tablet get a fancy photoshop/flash website before a name . I don't suspect there will be many cheap tablets this year without sacrifices in quality. Example the semi-crappy screen in the Viewsonic G-Tablet I returned.
It's XOOM XOOM XOOM for me. I just hope I can hold back the tears when I charge 963$ for the XOOM and the Folio case.

Homan13PSU said:
I'm a no but with a caveiat. I don't need a 32 gig tablet. If Moto comes out with a 16 gig version that would fall more in line with my price point.
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How much do you think it would drop? I don't think there is much difference between the 16/32gb memory anymore. I highly doubt that the difference is more the $50 and that is probably a high estimate!
16 is standard on almost all new/upcoming devices. I think all the vendors are just depleting their stocks.

I think Toshiba has learned from the Folio 100 tablet disaster, and the will come with a much better product. Not too many companies get a second chance in such a short period of time.
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setite said:
I'm on board with existing conditions. Notion Ink Adam is still vapor to me. As much as I applaud their David and Goliath struggle that is increasing rare, I must face facts. There is no guarantee that they will be around in 2 years, hell they could be hemorrhaging funds and be under in the next 6 months.
I also don't think the 1.2" smaller screen on the LG G-Slate will make up for the extra 5mp camera, and 120hz capable screen. Plus, who the hell asked for 3D in a tablet. It's as bad as Sprint's stupid kyocera dual screen phone. It's an industry first AND LAST.
Toshiba Tablet seems like a botched job. How does a tablet get a fancy photoshop/flash website before a name . I don't suspect there will be many cheap tablets this year without sacrifices in quality. Example the semi-crappy screen in the Viewsonic G-Tablet I returned.
It's XOOM XOOM XOOM for me. I just hope I can hold back the tears when I charge 963$ for the XOOM and the Folio case.
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One possible issue I have with the G-Slate is lack of an SD card slot. I've been looking at images and reading through descriptions, and not only is there no sign of a slot, but it looks like they're marketing it as a device with 32GB storage... period. Also, I agree that the 3D is pointless and unnecessary, but I'm still willing to give the tablet a fair shake.
If all reports are wrong, and the Xoom is closer to $650, I'll buy it on day one. If it's between $700 and $800, I'm waiting for another month. After all, we know that HTC and Asus are in the mix as well.

I think we need the option of "I will when the price comes down".
I told myself i would cringe and jump for the 700 price point. 800 - that is hard to justify. Yes, people, i know it's comprable to the ipad (with those specs), which is why i bought an iPad off craigslist for under 400 bucks - because it met my price point. I could literally take a weeklong cruise for the same price.
As for the contract - no thanks, this will be on wifi unless I am on a road trip or something. Even then - the Evo does wifi hotspot.

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One possible issue I have with the G-Slate is lack of an SD card slot. I've been looking at images and reading through descriptions, and not only is there no sign of a slot, but it looks like they're marketing it as a device with 32GB storage... period. Also, I agree that the 3D is pointless and unnecessary, but I'm still willing to give the tablet a fair shake.
If all reports are wrong, and the Xoom is closer to $650, I'll buy it on day one. If it's between $700 and $800, I'm waiting for another month. After all, we know that HTC and Asus are in the mix as well.
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Looking around the market, I don't see much room for the XOOM to drop. After owning a Viewsonic G-Tablet, I think I see the shape of 500$ tablets. That tablet was good, except that it skimped on pretty much everything. It had a substandard screen(bad viewing angles), substandard touch sensitivity, a finicky wifi adapter(possibly software), and it seems that they installed the accelerometer wrong. Apps that only ran in portrait were always upside down.
I am not sure, but I think the Toshiba Folio 100 was only marginally less of a train wreck. A $650 XOOM would be fantastic, but maybe impossible. I think the iPad is only as cheap as it is because of some unique and smart investments by Apple, and their extremely iterative process of baby steps forward. This cheapens their process. Also they can, not saying they are, take a loss on the tablet, or use a razer thin profit margin and make it up in apps. Motorola has to make their money on the XOOM itself, Apple can play a different game. Then again there is a company with no buying power, Notion Ink, that confounds me. Perhaps the industry has me brainwashed.
I want to just go to sleep and wake up on the 24th.
DCVIPERBOY. There is no contract. Just Verizon forcing you to pay for one month of service to ensure they make some money on this.

Anyone see the FCC report on engadget? Looks like the wifi version is passing through. Hoping it'll launch the same day as the 3g/4g version. 650 could put moto back in the game.
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If there's a wifi only version of the Xoom I'd really consider it...
I dont need a 3g plan with a tablet - I can use my phone as a hotspot for that if need be.... why would I want to pay twice monthly?
also I'd hope it would be cheaper wifi only ;p

Buying, but waiting for wifi only. Evo with wifi router ftw.

i will be getting it regardless of the price. my wife and i are getting an very good return and we figured that we can spend money on something that we really want but probably wont be able to get later. We agreed we can spoil ourselves with one thing then we will use rest for our move. Im usually not an first adopter but i first time for everything

Here's the fuss about the price

Lets start this off right.
If you post on this forum, then your an Android fanboy. It's just like that.
That being said, you get defensive and want to defend your product, I know I do.
But here lies the issue. The Xoom is over priced. Period.
Fact - There are Tegra 2 tabs out there on the market. Heck, one of them is even a 10.1 incher! - http://www.techbargains.com/news_displayItem.cfm/242175
What's that? Its priced at 399.00 normal and 369.00 on sale? But this is brand new technology and top notch stuff!
Yes, the G - Tablet IS out and running a Tegra 2 processor, as are a few others.
My point is this. This tablet has nearly everything the Xoom has. Add a front a rear camera and a slightly nicer screen, and 512MB RAM (all relatively cheap for manufacturers) and this price doesn't double.
So please, someone explain how an android tablet priced at 400 can literally double in price based on 2 minor upgrades and FREE software ( Android 3.0)

I will absolutely agree that it is overpriced. However the tablet you linked is a piece of garbage, worse screen, no 3g, and no cameras.
All that stuff isn't worth 400 dollars no doubt, but it should be higher priced than the viewsonic. I'd pay 600 for the xoom easy.

eallan said:
I will absolutely agree that it is overpriced. However the tablet you linked is a piece of garbage, worse screen, no 3g, and no cameras.
All that stuff isn't worth 400 dollars no doubt, but it should be higher priced than the viewsonic. I'd pay 600 for the xoom easy.
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I think that for the Xoom in its current incarnation, $650 would be the sweet spot in my mind; knock off a hundy for the "rumored" WiFi only model and I'm sold. $800 with required VZW activation and 1 month data is far too high. It still surprises me that they think this is how they're going to sell the most. I would think that they'd want to get as many out there as they can, like Apple did. I know people don't like to make the comparison to 1 year old hardware, but we have to remember that when the ipad first came out it was cutting edge tech and they still managed lower prices than this. When Apple is price competitive you know your costs are too high. Also, once they throw down on ipad 2 or whatever you have to believe they're going to keep the same pricing scheme, they definitely tend to maintain the same price structure.

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I think that for the Xoom in its current incarnation, $650 would be the sweet spot in my mind; knock off a hundy for the "rumored" WiFi only model and I'm sold. $800 with required VZW activation and 1 month data is far too high. It still surprises me that they think this is how they're going to sell the most. I would think that they'd want to get as many out there as they can, like Apple did. I know people don't like to make the comparison to 1 year old hardware, but we have to remember that when the ipad first came out it was cutting edge tech and they still managed lower prices than this. When Apple is price competitive you know your costs are too high.
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Bang on. Agree with you completely. I'd buy in line for 650, for 800 and they've lost me. I'll buy an iPad 2 to replace my iPad.

To all above , I agree the sweet spot for this would be ~650. I was ready to put down when a pre order came out. I'm just disappointed.
And yes, I know the G - Tablet has an inferior screen. I just used it as a point of reference to a price point done right for the market. Tack and extra 100 - 150 to make up for inferiorities to a WiFi only Xoom and there is the entry price for a successful tablet.

$400 is about my limit for this type of device. You can get an HP slate 500 for about the same price as the Xoom and it's got a Ton more capability and it's still a first gen device.
excitment is over inflating the real value of these devices, everyone be patient don't purchase and they'll come down and start being more opened up.

Oh I agree, $800 is too much for this tablet. The hardware and software don't justify the cost.
That said, it doesn't change the fact that I'm still likely to get one. It's at the top end of my limit, but I'll still be there on the 14th or 17th or 24th, whenever the hell it comes out.
Why? Because I'm an early adopter. I buy crap like this the day it comes out, and I pay a premium for it. I had an iPad on day one, and honestly, I don't like crapple products. If it wasn't for my wife watching netflix on it I would have post it on ebay or craigslist a long time ago.
And yes, the G tablet is comparable in hardware for a much lower price (even though it is a piece of junk).
The xoom has a key feature though, Honeycomb. I'm sure they worked a lot with Google to get Honeycomb working smoothly, so to say it was free isn't quite accurate, no doubt cheap, but not free. It still costs them money to implement and update (assuming Motorola won't pull a Cliq and will update it.)
Motorola is banking on the fact that Honeycomb will sell this for them, and it will.
I've got 30 days to return it right? I may do so, I may not, we'll see.

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$400 is about my limit for this type of device. You can get an HP slate 500 for about the same price as the Xoom and it's got a Ton more capability and it's still a first gen device.
excitment is over inflating the real value of these devices, everyone be patient don't purchase and they'll come down and start being more opened up.
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Not trying to get into an argument here, but...
Have you ever actually used the 500? Sure, by running Windows it's got 'a ton more capability', in theory. In practice, it's a pain to use because it's severely underpowered. We evaluated that device and easily concluded it was not fit for two main reasons: first, it's too sluggish, and second, Windows is not designed for a touch interface. It just doesn't work.
Whatever your feelings are on price with the Xoom, comparing it's usability to the HP Slate is a fail. The proof is in the pudding: the slate has sold poorly, even in the corporate environment.

Also another thing to add to the long list, new mobile chip sets are coming next year. Some tablets we could see next year could feature up to 8 gigabytes of ram. You may say LOLWUT, but it's damn true. So why would I as a consumer pay 700-800 bucks for an entry level tablet? I am considering buying a Nook Color and waiting for a proper gingerbread port or buy the new Huawei tablet, or even the next cheap tegra 2 tablet from Velocity Micro which will probably be $250-300.

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Also another thing to add to the long list, new mobile chip sets are coming next year. Some tablets we could see next year could feature up to 8 gigabytes of ram. You may say LOLWUT, but it's damn true. So why would I as a consumer pay 700-800 bucks for an entry level tablet? I am considering buying a Nook Color and waiting for a proper gingerbread port or buy the new Huawei tablet, or even the next cheap tegra 2 tablet from Velocity Micro which will probably be $250-300.
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if you wait for the newest tech, you'll never actually purchase anything.

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if you wait for the newest tech, you'll never actually purchase anything.
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Not really the case for me, It's just that 4gb-8gb of RAM is a big difference of tablet performance from 500 mb/1gb of ram... especially for 700-800 dollars.
Thats why I'm probably going to be purchasing the Nook Color which is literally half the power of the Xoom.

ComeShot said:
Not really the case for me, It's just that 4gb-8gb of RAM is a big difference of tablet performance from 500 mb/1gb of ram... especially for 700-800 dollars.
Thats why I'm probably going to be purchasing the Nook Color which is literally half the power of the Xoom.
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Yeah, you can't really comparer the NC to the Xoom, they're totally different. One is a hacked up device to become a tablet, the other sets the stage for the latest in tablet hardware and software. Not that your making an exact comparison, but they're just so different you can't argue them on the same field.
I had the NC, I took it back. Just too slow even on basic web pages and stock android.
I wonder how long it's going to be before your account is closed for a name change, no matter how you spell it, it's still offensive.

I wonder if Moto has folks looking thru the rants on the net about their potential pricing. 800 + verizon + tax = DOA as most ppl put it... Of course some early adoptors will buy, but Moto will have to do a rethink after the first wave of sales (if there is a wave and not a ripple)...

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I wonder if Moto has folks looking thru the rants on the net about their potential pricing. 800 + verizon + tax = DOA as most ppl put it... Of course some early adoptors will buy, but Moto will have to do a rethink after the first wave of sales (if there is a wave and not a ripple)...
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Yah, I wanted the Xoom so bad my self . I have a sealed Samsung Galaxy Tab which I was going to sell and get the Moto Xoom but, if the Xoom is really over $700.00 which is my budget then, I will just open my Samsung Tab and Root it and enjoy it!! Im sure there are a few good cheaper Tablets on the way so , will just wait a few months and see what is on the way

64GB Model Production Pushed Up, 16GB Pushed Back

If anyone is paying attention to the main production thread, the post has been edited.
What we've done is dramatically increase the amount of 64GB Sandstone Black models in our production plans, while producing 16GB Silk White as long as they don't delay the time to market for Sandstone Black.
Our production schedule is as follows:
Ready now - 100 for phone smashers
Mid to late May - Larger batch 16GB Silk White for the first batch of invites
Late May to early June - Larger batch 64GB Sandstone Black
Later in June - Increased general availability, people who want it should be able to get an invite without much trouble in June
Update May 6: After seeing how popular the 64GB version was compared to the 16GB, we have pushed back the production of the 16GB Silk White in favor of getting the 64GB Sandstone Black out quicker.
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So, good news for those of you who want to get your hands on the 64.

Great news!! :good: :good: :good:

Quite honestly, I'm angry about the delay of the 16 GB model. However, OnePlus is appealing to the majority of their customers, who want their 64 GB model. But in all honesty, this doesn't make a bit of difference. Chances are incredibly slim that any of us will get one of the early invites in late May/early June. We're all most likely going to get the phone in late June when it is finally given "general availability". And by that time, they should have 16 GB and 64 GB to sell to us. In all likelihood, this is just a marketing tactic to make the company seem more consumer-oriented (which isn't to say they aren't; they're still great in my eyes.) Just my two cents on the situation. The people on the OnePlus forums are practically going to war over which version should be released first. Just keep a level head, and we should all be happy and satisfied by late June

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Quite honestly, I'm angry about the delay of the 16 GB model. However, OnePlus is appealing to the majority of their customers, who want their 64 GB model. But in all honesty, this doesn't make a bit of difference. Chances are incredibly slim that any of us will get one of the early invites in late May/early June. We're all most likely going to get the phone in late June when it is finally given "general availability". And by that time, they should have 16 GB and 64 GB to sell to us. In all likelihood, this is just a marketing tactic to make the company seem more consumer-oriented (which isn't to say they aren't; they're still great in my eyes.) Just my two cents on the situation. The people on the OnePlus forums are practically going to war over which version should be released first. Just keep a level head, and we should all be happy and satisfied by late June
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I agree with you 100% all this is just a strategy from Oneplus and I have my hopes for late June. The early invites will be very difficult to get unless something very odd happens like Oneplus delivering high availability. But I understand that it's a new company with a different marketing approach to what we are used to here in the west.

My gut feeling is it will be screwed initially like it was during initial nexus 4 launch.. Fingers crossed!
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u would still need an invite to buy the 64gb

vineet381 said:
My gut feeling is it will be screwed initially like it was during initial nexus 4 launch.. Fingers crossed!
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Nexus 4 debacle all over again.
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They should've had one version with 32 GB internal storage and a micro SD card slot to avoid these kind of problems.

no they shouldnt have. the production cost between 16gb and 64gb is about $50. if they did a 32gb model, there would be even less of a reason to get that as the price would be closer to the 64gb. since their goal was to get a model phone below $300, having 16gb model alongside the 64gb makes sense. the nexus 5 doesnt have an sd card card reader, and you shouldnt expect a less expensive phone to have it. if you want that functionality, buy an otg adapter. otg exists on phones for a reason.

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no they shouldnt have. the production cost between 16gb and 64gb is about $50. if they did a 32gb model, there would be even less of a reason to get that as the price would be closer to the 64gb. since their goal was to get a model phone below $300, having 16gb model alongside the 64gb makes sense. the nexus 5 doesnt have an sd card card reader, and you shouldnt expect a less expensive phone to have it. if you want that functionality, buy an otg adapter. otg exists on phones for a reason.
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I believe what Invalid-GR is saying is that instead of having 2 models (16 and 64GB) they should have just produced one (32GB with uSD slot.) I would agree. 64GB is good enough for me at this point, but the option of expanding is great to have. Reason I haven't updated to the Moto X, or the G2, or the M7, is the fixed storage mostly. I'm not interested in storing my media files in the cloud and streaming it on demand since I don't always have good cellular access. But this dang SGS2 is on its deathbed!

Personally I feel people need to quit with the complaining, you're getting 64GB for only $50 more. That's still a far better deal than even a Nexus 5 with just 32GB in it. They are a SMALL company, so going with what is more popular and more in demand is the best thing they can do. Why produce a mountain of 16GB when the majority wants the 64GB? I'd understand your complaints if it were against Samsung for not putting out a 32GB S5 for the US ( Which they haven't ). For me I'm going 64GB because it's a better deal all the way around. I wouldn't touch ANY phone with 16GB and no microSD, because that's just too little storage overall anymore. Far as I'm concerned they really should start making the low end storage start at 32GB instead of 16GB.

theyre not going to make a 32gb version cause then it would be about $325-$330 and there would be even less of a reason to buy one. and they are not going to add an sdcard reader for the same reason the nexus's and iphones dont have one.

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Personally I feel people need to quit with the complaining, you're getting 64GB for only $50 more. That's still a far better deal than even a Nexus 5 with just 32GB in it. They are a SMALL company, so going with what is more popular and more in demand is the best thing they can do. Why produce a mountain of 16GB when the majority wants the 64GB? I'd understand your complaints if it were against Samsung for not putting out a 32GB S5 for the US ( Which they haven't ). For me I'm going 64GB because it's a better deal all the way around. I wouldn't touch ANY phone with 16GB and no microSD, because that's just too little storage overall anymore. Far as I'm concerned they really should start making the low end storage start at 32GB instead of 16GB.
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Everything you told is correct. But since one of their major investors is OPPO, they are not small let alone "SMALL". They should ramp up their production and make it available worldwide.
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Everything you told is correct. But since one of their major investors is OPPO, they are not small let alone "SMALL". They should ramp up their production and make it available worldwide.
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Investors mean they are backing them financially, doesn't mean we know how much and to what extent. Investors put their money behind you to do what you can with how much they give. They don't do your work, production, shipping, orders, etc. That's all on you, it's a sink or swim deal there. So if they don't wish to drive the cost of the device up, which it would if everyone here got their way and they did everything a lot of you think they should. Instead of $349 it would be more like $549 or even higher. They're doing everything they can to keep out third party companies, distributors and the like. This keeps the device's cost down considerably. So what they need to do, is continue with what they're doing.
They've already stated that in late June ( Which is just around the corner here ) they will begin to roll out invites much faster as they ramp up production based on demand. Remember, Google had a major disaster on their hands with the Nexus 4. Look how much money that company has, how big they are and yet they still had one of the biggest pre-order muck ups in recent history. So I can understand OnePlus wanting to tread lightly. Problem is, so many people have this me me me disorder. Everything has to be right now, right then or I wont do business with you. You'd think after all this time, we'd learned to have at least a little patience and give others a chance to see if this works or not. Just because a few people get their panties in a bunch, doesn't mean their system doesn't work.

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Investors mean they are backing them financially, doesn't mean we know how much and to what extent. Investors put their money behind you to do what you can with how much they give. They don't do your work, production, shipping, orders, etc. That's all on you, it's a sink or swim deal there. So if they don't wish to drive the cost of the device up, which it would if everyone here got their way and they did everything a lot of you think they should. Instead of $349 it would be more like $549 or even higher. They're doing everything they can to keep out third party companies, distributors and the like. This keeps the device's cost down considerably. So what they need to do, is continue with what they're doing.
They've already stated that in late June ( Which is just around the corner here ) they will begin to roll out invites much faster as they ramp up production based on demand. Remember, Google had a major disaster on their hands with the Nexus 4. Look how much money that company has, how big they are and yet they still had one of the biggest pre-order muck ups in recent history. So I can understand OnePlus wanting to tread lightly. Problem is, so many people have this me me me disorder. Everything has to be right now, right then or I wont do business with you. You'd think after all this time, we'd learned to have at least a little patience and give others a chance to see if this works or not. Just because a few people get their panties in a bunch, doesn't mean their system doesn't work.
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Maybe you got offended. First thing I am happy the way they are working because at least they came up with an idea of a cheap phone with great hardware. They are doing a fair job. Secondly Oneplus is more of a subsidiary company to oppo, that is how much they own it. And I am just a little disappointed that my country did not make it to the first list in spite of it being such a huge market. And people who are complaining have no right to complain since it's all the company's decision to whether launch a phone in a particular market or not or at what price and in what way. I am just hopeful of it's earliest availability to everyone in the future and not just the already listed countries.
No offence bro if I again wrote something offensive.
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Maybe you got offended. First thing I am happy the way they are working because at least they came up with an idea of a cheap phone with great hardware. They are doing a fair job. Secondly Oneplus is more of a subsidiary company to oppo, that is how much they own it. And I am just a little disappointed that my country did not make it to the first list in spite of it being such a huge market. And people who are complaining have no right to complain since it's all the company's decision to whether launch a phone in a particular market or not or at what price and in what way. I am just hopeful of it's earliest availability to everyone in the future and not just the already listed countries.
No offence bro if I again wrote something offensive.
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No no, not offended at all man. Seriously lol it's all good

NinoDolce1 said:
I agree with you 100% all this is just a strategy from Oneplus and I have my hopes for late June. The early invites will be very difficult to get unless something very odd happens like Oneplus delivering high availability. But I understand that it's a new company with a different marketing approach to what we are used to here in the west.
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Between mobile carriers, manufacturers and whoever/whatever marketing strategies; I"m sick of all of them...I could not find any specifications in regards to a microSD expansion slot but at first glance it looks to be pretty good at the $349 price mark for the 64GB device, a solid $300 cheaper than any other 64GB device out there. I'm beginning to believe there is no such thing as a perfect device; too many hands in the cookie jar.

berrywr said:
Between mobile carriers, manufacturers and whoever/whatever marketing strategies; I"m sick of all of them...I could not find any specifications in regards to a microSD expansion slot but at first glance it looks to be pretty good at the $349 price mark for the 64GB device, a solid $300 cheaper than any other 64GB device out there. I'm beginning to believe there is no such thing as a perfect device; too many hands in the cookie jar.
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Yes, you are right like on everything else in life there is no perfect device. This one is really good for this price. I hope this becomes a trend.

Nothing is perfect!
berrywr said:
Between mobile carriers, manufacturers and whoever/whatever marketing strategies; I"m sick of all of them...I could not find any specifications in regards to a microSD expansion slot but at first glance it looks to be pretty good at the $349 price mark for the 64GB device, a solid $300 cheaper than any other 64GB device out there. I'm beginning to believe there is no such thing as a perfect device; too many hands in the cookie jar.
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NinoDolce1 said:
Yes, you are right like on everything else in life there is no perfect device. This one is really good for this price. I hope this becomes a trend.
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If this phone had a replaceable battery and microSD it'd be perfect to me, even if it cost $100 or 200 more. But these days, it's like most things - there's trade-offs, so nothing's perfect. I'll be looking to get this one and hand down my Nexus 5 to the better-half.
I had hoped to break the root/ROM cycle with the Nexus 5, but alas, it didn't have OTG capability unless it was rooted. I figured, if I've rooted it, might as well go all the way. With the OnePlus One, it should have all I want/need without all the trouble to root and find a good ROM for it.
And those specs for the price is makes it a better value than the Nexus 5! I think a lot of crying about the 16/64GB versions would disappear if they had a white 64GB version for the same price at the black one! I prefer black myself, but some want the white one. Also, the backs are replaceable so there will be some customization there as well. I just hope there's one with a kick-stand!
That's my 2¢!
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downloadbob said:
If this phone had a replaceable battery and microSD it'd be perfect to me, even if it cost $100 or 200 more. But these days, it's like most things - there's trade-offs, so nothing's perfect.
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It's too bad the Oppo Find 7a or 7 won't play nice with T-Mobile or AT&T USA networks.

[Discussion] [Poll] PIXEL PRICE

At USD $649 for a 5" Google Pixel phone compared with nexus 5x price of USD $379
what are your thoughts on pricing, (POLL on top)
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Article by xda, talking about Pixel price.
http://http://www.xda-developers.com/renouncing-the-nexus-legacy-priced-the-pixel-into-a-battle-it-may-not-win/

How about an option "too high, but eff it, I bought one anyway"?

doitright said:
How about an option "too high, but eff it, I bought one anyway"?
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maybe the last option ?

128 GB Flash and a 5 inch screen. This is what i'm looking for, a long time now.
Hopefully the Pixel phones also have an unlockable bootloader like all the Nexus phones have - otherwise it's a no-go.

See my thread:
Just bought a Nexus 5X 32 GB for 245 € instead of Pixel 759€

unrealmac said:
See my thread:
Just bought a Nexus 5X 32 GB for 245 € instead of Pixel 759€
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Thats a good price but these 2 phones are technicaly not compareble.

gee2012 said:
Thats a good price but these 2 phones are technicaly not compareble.
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technically yes. And yep I was really looking forward for more than 2gb Ram and an AMOLED screen but this phone simply doesn't offer for me the justification to be 500€ more expensive than the Nexus 5X.
Come on: I think everyone was kind of waiting for the secret killer feature that wasn't announced. I personally bet that the glass/plastic back is touch enabled for swipe/scroll gestures but that did not happen. Daydreams seems still not 100% ready..

unrealmac said:
technically yes. And yep I was really looking forward for more than 2gb Ram and an AMOLED screen but this phone simply doesn't offer for me the justification to be 500€ more expensive than the Nexus 5X.
Come on: I think everyone was kind of waiting for the secret killer feature that wasn't announced. I personally bet that the glass/plastic back is touch enabled for swipe/scroll gestures but that did not happen. Daydreams seems still not 100% ready..
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I completely agree with you. I will not get one of these 2 devices either because of the price and its not a huge upgrade from the 6P imo.

The RAM is the main advantage to me.... (2GB for 64-bit android is an error, even the N5 2013 has less redraws. N5X should have had 3GB! )
On the other hand, the battery life (seems to have much better autonomy) and the AMOLED panel is another advantage.
But I bought the 5X at 300€ in Amazon (6 months after the release date). So I'll wait to see this Pixel at 500€ before buy it.

Much prefer LCD to AMOLED.

marinierb said:
Much prefer LCD to AMOLED.
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seems like technology is moving towards amoled, the last of big brands that used lcd is apple

The camera sensors are NOT the same. They're just the same in terms of megapixels, which most photographers know isn't everything. Pixel should win in that category as well.

I'm having a real tough time deciding on what to do.... Buy a Pixel for 750 with protection plan, (no way in hell I'm financing at 29 .9% APR, friggin criminals), or buy an HTC 10, which is comparable to the Pixel, plus it has an SDCard and it's 550 bucks right now.....

Way overpriced - just like Apple's iPhone 7. Very dissapointed.

The pricing on these is out of touch with reality. Maybe its a part of the same pricing model they did on the Nexus 6 where all the fanboys and people who just dont know better pay full price, then 2 months later, its selling for $349.
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I think these western phone manufacturers just prices them out of the market when chinese cheap and same spec phones are getting into the hands of masses. When people are getting poorer and poorer they just dont have money to purchase 750$ phones.

dpj52190 said:
At USD $649 for a 5" Google Pixel phone compared with nexus 5x price of USD $349
what are your thoughts on pricing, (POLL on top)
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Wow that definitely does look quite shocking for the new pixel though you are forgetting some of the new features of the Pixel!
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unrealmac said:
technically yes. And yep I was really looking forward for more than 2gb Ram and an AMOLED screen but this phone simply doesn't offer for me the justification to be 500€ more expensive than the Nexus 5X.
Come on: I think everyone was kind of waiting for the secret killer feature that wasn't announced. I personally bet that the glass/plastic back is touch enabled for swipe/scroll gestures but that did not happen. Daydreams seems still not 100% ready..
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The non-metal part of the back is there so that the antennas behind it will actually pick up RF. Doesn't make sense for a cell phone to not be able to get cell service!
Daydream is a gimmick and will ALWAYS be a gimmick.
The way forward for hardware, is always going to be better (smaller/faster/more capable) hardware.
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I completely agree with you. I will not get one of these 2 devices either because of the price and its not a huge upgrade from the 6P imo.
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The 6P is a bit of an oddball unit, not really necessary, since it is a downgrade from the 6 before it (face it, 64bit doesn't provide any benefit to the workloads you get on a PHONE), and a very highly optimized and cool running 32bit chip can run circles around a run of the mill bone stock A57 reference toaster element.
Now the new kryo cores... those are optimized cool running 64bit chips in the same way as the 32bit krait450. Certainly not enough to be worth spending a pile of money on to replace a Nexus 6, but if you're in need of a phone, it is definitely the best and would be the best choice.
I'm hanging on to my Nexus 6, but I'm getting the pixel 5/128 for the wife, whose Nexus 5 is starting to flake out.
I think that one of the problems that people have is in understanding when to buy a phone and when not to. There are NO "revolutionary" new things to be had, the changes are incremental. So don't do stupid things like continually replacing your phone with whatever the "newest" one is, since there won't be a significant difference. But when you *need* a new phone, then pick the best nexus/pixel and buy it.

boy they missed the boat on this one. Pricing is outrageous. I'm not an iphone user . but As much as it looks like it wants to be, its not an iphone. Your average joe isn't going to buy this at this price. They'll say, google pixel, eh never heard of it, i'm not dropping $900 on a phone i've never heard of. But they will drop $900 on an iphone because it has created a brand that people know and trust. This is a major fail in pricing. At this price it should have EVERYTHING out there, it doesn't even have wireless charging, no expandable memory, no removalable battery, and isnt' even water proof. It'd be a HARD sell to get a normal person to fork out 100-125 more for this over a S7 or similar. FAIL

eliteconcept said:
boy they missed the boat on this one. Pricing is outrageous. I'm not an iphone user . but As much as it looks like it wants to be, its not an iphone. Your average joe isn't going to buy this at this price. They'll say, google pixel, eh never heard of it, i'm not dropping $900 on a phone i've never heard of. But they will drop $900 on an iphone because it has created a brand that people know and trust. This is a major fail in pricing. At this price it should have EVERYTHING out there, it doesn't even have wireless charging, no expandable memory, no removalable battery, and isnt' even water proof. It'd be a HARD sell to get a normal person to fork out 100-125 more for this over a S7 or similar. FAIL
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Those features are not there yet because there has to be something left for the coming generations of pixels in case there is no big development of software...
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US Unlocked 128GB now available??

Can anyone verify if this version has 6GB of ram like the Chinese counterparts???

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Can anyone verify if this version has 6GB of ram like the Chinese counterparts???
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There are only 2 variants, 4/64 and 6/128. So yes, it will be 6gb

HTC has confirmed the US Unlocked 128GB also has 4GB of RAM. Kinda of letdown and not worth the extra 80 since it's just an internal storage increase

HTC Live Chat

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HTC has confirmed the US Unlocked 128GB also has 4GB of RAM. Kinda of letdown and not worth the extra 80 since it's just an internal storage increase
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Chat reps are clueless. Android Police confirmed with HTC that it is 6/128.

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HTC has confirmed the US Unlocked 128GB also has 4GB of RAM. Kinda of letdown and not worth the extra 80 since it's just an internal storage increase
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yup, might as well use the money difference to buy a 128GB or 256GB microSD that works as internal storage in Nougat
coincidently that's how I have mine setup, added 128 GB (Samsung EVO+ Pro super fast) for a total of 192 GB storage
can't find a reputable 25 6GB anywhere. I don't trust those that claims to be 256 GB from eBay and similar places

AllGamer said:
yup, might as well use the money difference to buy a 128GB or 256GB microSD that works as internal storage in Nougat
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I actually ended up calling them and it took them a bit to confirm it will ship with 6GB of RAM. Im returning the solar red and upgraded to the 6/128 model. They said other color variants would surface in about 3 weeks. But as other users have stated, HTC is not the most reliable when coming from customer and chat support. So I'll take it with a grain of salt. If any other user hear wishes to upgrade or consider the new U11. Use this code to get 50 off your new device "AMAZINGU11" to bring the price to 679.99

This really kind of pisses me off. I pre-ordered on May 31st with 50 dollars off and got the sapphire. Then they dropped the solar red and I was mildly irritated but dropping the 6/128GB has me fuming right now. HTC said they weren't bringing that model to the US and I'm definitely past the return period (phone arrived June 8th). All of us who were loyal to HTC got screwed. First they remove the text that says bootloader unlock doesn't void the warranty and now they pull this? -_-

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This really kind of pisses me off. I pre-ordered on May 31st with 50 dollars off and got the sapphire. Then they dropped the solar red and I was mildly irritated but dropping the 6/128GB has me fuming right now. HTC said they weren't bringing that model to the US and I'm definitely past the return period (phone arrived June 8th). All of us who were loyal to HTC got screwed. First they remove the text that says bootloader unlock doesn't void the warranty and now they pull this? -_-
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I completely understand your situation, I was 6 days away from my 30 day return window. You could always get some money back on swappa. I know it's not the perfect solution but if you really want the upgrade it's better than nothing. I have come to accept smartphones use the same marketing as high end pcs. After 6 months, your devices are obsolete.

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I completely understand your situation, I was 6 days away from my 30 day return window. You could always get some money back on swappa. I know it's not the perfect solution but if you really want the upgrade it's better than nothing. I have come to accept smartphones use the same marketing as high end pcs. After 6 months, your devices are obsolete.
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It's not so much that I need that model, it's the fact that I would have gotten it if HTC didn't lie about availability in the states. Truth be told, I'm so used to managing with 32GB phones that 64GB is plenty and 6GB of RAM is a total waste (my phone averages 2.6GB-2.8GB used, I've never seen it higher - adding more just seems pointless) but for 80 bucks, I would have done it.
For a company that is struggling to stay alive, they sure are getting adept at pissing off their loyal customers. I had the M7, the M8, skipped the M9 because of the Snapdragon 810, and I have the 10. I've had tons of HTC devices (see my signature) and now they are pulling things like promising the U11 warranty wouldn't be void by unlocking the bootloader just to remove it later to changing the firmware so that it's impossible to have permanent S-OFF to releasing new colors and now a higher speced model they said wasn't coming here... A lot of us are going to end up dropping HTC if they keep this garbage up. HTC needs to be reminded that they are no longer the dominant smartphone force they were in the Windows Mobile and early Android days.

I mean I just got mine a week or so ago. So I knew the higher end model was coming and I have a 128 GB SD card and a TON of flac music files that are large and use over 100 GB and I'm not even sweating it. To ME, the extra money isn't worth it because I'm fine with 192 gig's and 4gb ram.
Unfortunately for you, sometimes that happens when you're an early adopter. I got the 7,8,9,10 all when they first came out so I got burned on the 9 and the thermal issues. So this one, being on Verizon and having no CDMA radio I sat back for a while and saw all the yapping about dropped network,etc. So I took a chance and bought it from Amazon that has a great return policy and couldn't be happier. I thought about the 128 but all my HTCs up to this one have been silver and since that's all that's available now for pre-order, I couldn't be happier than the Sapphire Blue. I've had Samsung,LG, Moto, and am a beta tester for HTC and Moto and I can tell you with certainty that HTC isn't the only company who is confused as hell about what is happening. My Moto I was a freakin rom tester and the people I was dealing with in tech has no idea what was going on in sales and development. It's crazy but it seems to be somewhat the norm.
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Android police article without source is no proof to me either. I will believe that is indeed with 6GB storage when somebody provides a solid evidence. I won't throw my money out of the window like that.

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It's not so much that I need that model, it's the fact that I would have gotten it if HTC didn't lie about availability in the states. Truth be told, I'm so used to managing with 32GB phones that 64GB is plenty and 6GB of RAM is a total waste (my phone averages 2.6GB-2.8GB used, I've never seen it higher - adding more just seems pointless) but for 80 bucks, I would have done it.
For a company that is struggling to stay alive, they sure are getting adept at pissing off their loyal customers. I had the M7, the M8, skipped the M9 because of the Snapdragon 810, and I have the 10. I've had tons of HTC devices (see my signature) and now they are pulling things like promising the U11 warranty wouldn't be void by unlocking the bootloader just to remove it later to changing the firmware so that it's impossible to have permanent S-OFF to releasing new colors and now a higher speced model they said wasn't coming here... A lot of us are going to end up dropping HTC if they keep this garbage up. HTC needs to be reminded that they are no longer the dominant smartphone force they were in the Windows Mobile and early Android days.
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I am normally just as picky but I am more than happy with this device. The best, most amazing mobile phone experience I've ever had so I will not let it it bother me. I'm actually proud of HTC and proud to support them. On top of all the freebies they have given me when they did not have to. $100 for free accessories, another $50 just for the heck of it and another $50 for a broken HTC Klik case, and then majorly reduced prices on HTC 10 accessories, I am still within my 30 days but I will keep this great device and keep using it with Verizon.

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I actually ended up calling them and it took them a bit to confirm it will ship with 6GB of RAM. Im returning the solar red and upgraded to the 6/128 model. They said other color variants would surface in about 3 weeks. But as other users have stated, HTC is not the most reliable when coming from customer and chat support. So I'll take it with a grain of salt. If any other user hear wishes to upgrade or consider the new U11. Use this code to get 50 off your new device "AMAZINGU11" to bring the price to 679.99
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man! not again... no no no, why!!! ? HTC why ?!?! you do this to me.??!!
geez... I always wanted to 128GB version, but I thought that was only for the Other side of the planet.
I'd have waited for the 128 GB version had they announced it before.
They'll think i'm playing games with them, and keep returning phones, to order them again and again. LOL
after the initial release of the HTC U11 got two, returned them to get 2 red, now they account 128 GB, ... that means I'll most likely return these 2 red ones, for 2 new 128 GB... hopefully in red.

AllGamer said:
man! not again... no no no, why!!! ? HTC why ?!?! you do this to me.??!!
geez... I always wanted to 128GB version, but I thought that was only for the Other side of the planet.
I'd have waited for the 128 GB version had they announced it before.
They'll think i'm playing games with them, and keep returning phones, to order them again and again. LOL
after the initial release of the HTC U11 got two, returned them to get 2 red, now they account 128 GB, ... that means I'll most likely return these 2 red ones, for 2 new 128 GB... hopefully in red.
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128GB comes with amazing silver only for now. Yo may want to ask them if they are going to offer it in red in the near future. =b

Straight from the horse's mouth peeps. The description has been updated on the HTC website and confirms 100% that the 128GB model ships with 6GB RAM

LibertyMonger said:
I am normally just as picky but I am more than happy with this device. The best, most amazing mobile phone experience I've ever had so I will not let it it bother me. I'm actually proud of HTC and proud to support them. On top of all the freebies they have given me when they did not have to. $100 for free accessories, another $50 just for the heck of it and another $50 for a broken HTC Klik case, and then majorly reduced prices on HTC 10 accessories, I am still within my 30 days but I will keep this great device and keep using it with Verizon.
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Well of course you're happy, that's a lot of freebies.
I got 50 off my U11, that's it. Oh and the free Iceview case for the 10 along with a second charger and cable. That case was horrible though... it was really cheap plastic. Worth maybe 2 dollars.
I do love the phone and I do love supporting HTC but pulling S-OFF and the warranty shenanigans irks me. I guess we will have to see if they reverse course or not.
My phone is pretty much flawless so even if I could trade it in, I wouldn't risk it with all the complaints about dead/stuck pixels, light bleed, etc.

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Well of course you're happy, that's a lot of freebies.
I got 50 off my U11, that's it. Oh and the free Iceview case for the 10 along with a second charger and cable. That case was horrible though... it was really cheap plastic. Worth maybe 2 dollars.
I do love the phone and I do love supporting HTC but pulling S-OFF and the warranty shenanigans irks me. I guess we will have to see if they reverse course or not.
My phone is pretty much flawless so even if I could trade it in, I wouldn't risk it with all the complaints about dead/stuck pixels, light bleed, etc.
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If the Iceview case was built to last longer it would have been one of the best cases I ever owned. I did not need a screen protector with it and it did not allow dust and dirt to get in like the rest of the cases. The HTC 10 aluminum is very soft and get nicked very easily just by dust getting in. I never had that problem until the case split and started using the HTC Klik. Now I wish the U11 wallet case had some type of front window.

I was THRILLED to see the 128/6 model finally released in the U.S. Getting one asap. To bad T-Mobile won't be carrying the u11. Sucks for them. But sucks for us too for those who would have benefited from 0% financing.
http://www.htc.com/us/smartphones/htc-u11/buy/#!color=silver

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Well of course you're happy, that's a lot of freebies.
I got 50 off my U11, that's it. Oh and the free Iceview case for the 10 along with a second charger and cable. That case was horrible though... it was really cheap plastic. Worth maybe 2 dollars.
I do love the phone and I do love supporting HTC but pulling S-OFF and the warranty shenanigans irks me. I guess we will have to see if they reverse course or not.
My phone is pretty much flawless so even if I could trade it in, I wouldn't risk it with all the complaints about dead/stuck pixels, light bleed, etc.
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What exactly do you mean??? Their own website says that they will unlock the bootloader AND still honor the warranty. So I am not sure what you mean.
Is there a new announcement to say otherwise?