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Surprisingly Nice Camera!

Hi guys, new to the Aria forums. Just wanted to say how impressed I am with this little device. I have an HTC EVO and just received an ARIA as my work phone and I am really loving it. I catch myself using it more than the EVO for a lot. It's definitely a snappy android device!
Craziest thing I noticed right off the bat is how nice shots are on the Aria. The Evo has a pretty lousy camera IMO but when I compared it to the Aria I was really shocked.
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Same thing applies for video clips. The Aria wins. Definitely a cool device! It's nice to see a good little smartphone that's not getting as large as the recent devices out.

it seems like the Evo's pic has wrong focus (the bottle is out of focus) and it's a little overexposed.
Anyway, I have only the Aria, it's good to know how it's compared to others. Thanks.

You are right. But I've had the evo since launch, took a lot of pics. Aria still nicer imo. I should snag a more focused shot. Thanks.

It is definitely tough to grab a good focused shot on the EVO.
ARIA:
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awesome comparison looks like they focused too much on EVO's "speedy" hardware and not enough on the camera quality. i know majority of smartphone buyers want 3 things...1. resononable battery life, 2. easy mass texting 3. and camera quality good enough to replace a digital camera.

I should post two videos in comparison as well. The EVO owners all agree, our "720p camcorders" are lousy.

booloobunny said:
I should post two videos in comparison as well. The EVO owners all agree, our "720p camcorders" are lousy.
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please do man. i would love to see the comparison and what the hype is about having 720p capabilities. so far as youtube videos go...recording with the standard video recording Aria is fine.

I love HTC and Android devices, and the EVO is a slick device but it is really lacking in a few key areas. Anyway I am away from my PC now so I won't be able to load any vids up. I should do some outdoor stuff because the low light vids I have I would say are borderline unwatchable.

seems to me the weakpoint of the arias video capabilites come not from the actual video, but from the audio capturing.

I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?

cinnamon327 said:
I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
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unfortunately , i agree with you cinnamon - i have a very difficult time even getting semi-quality out of this camera
Those pictures of the Rolling Rock are some of the best i have seen from an Aria.

The aria has a lot of potential. Despite it's processor. It's a snappy little device
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Nutshell69 said:
unfortunately , i agree with you cinnamon - i have a very difficult time even getting semi-quality out of this camera
Those pictures of the Rolling Rock are some of the best i have seen from an Aria.
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my Aria takes reasonable quality pictures, esp. outdoors.
i once had blurry/foggy pictures turned out that the lens was dusty.

cinnamon327 said:
I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
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I recommend Camera 360 Pro - hands down AWESOME for taking photos! You can apply effects that'll make it look like you own a DSLR. And you HAVE to have a very steady hand - there is virtually no image stabilization for these devices despite what options you may see - the "software" image stabilization plain sucks. I usually find something to rest the phone on if at all possible for the best shots.

Here ya go.....

Once i let my camera gather enough dust to yield this picture
I dominated your screen; thats right.

After taking a few pictures with my Aria I was amazed at how crisp my pictures were.
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kaschenberg said:
I recommend Camera 360 Pro - hands down AWESOME for taking photos! You can apply effects that'll make it look like you own a DSLR. And you HAVE to have a very steady hand - there is virtually no image stabilization for these devices despite what options you may see - the "software" image stabilization plain sucks. I usually find something to rest the phone on if at all possible for the best shots.
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Agree - i like Camera 360 Pro +1

Consistent blurry pictures with flash *big picture warning*

I can actually say I haven't been able to take 1 clear picture with flash. Is there something wrong with my phone? I have a fairly steady hand, I used to be a DSLR photographer and never had any problems. What gives to this? here are some examples, not even a moving object. These pictures are taken stabilized on my knee
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R.I.P., Left Shift key.
As a rule, indoor pictures with the Evo are just poor quality. Outside, they're crystal clear, but even with the flash, when you're inside the camera is adjusting the exposure to the ambient light, which means grainy, blurry pics. There are some tweaks you can do to minimize this (white balance, exposure defaults, etc.) but in general it's just not that great.
Same with video: If you're inside, the camcorder drops down to, like, 8-10fps capture. Outside it does much better. It's all about the ambient lighting.

the lighting looks bad, and plus you gotta click in the pic to focus it and then hold down the shutter button untill you see your pic, thats the only way i can take pics

Look closely and see if your lens cover is cracked.
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awakener777 said:
Look closely and see if your lens cover is cracked.
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Why would that matter?
Check out this article, it is a good demonstration of how the lens (or in this case, lens cover) really has a very minimal effect - if any - on image quality.

The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls

Classick206 said:
The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls
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You're being sarcastic, right? Surely a troll would get 41 posts without being found out.

Are you using the netarchy kernel? I have had similar issues with photos using flash with fresh and the netarchy kernel. Switching back to stock fixed it for me.

SilverZero said:
You're being sarcastic, right? Surely a troll would get 41 posts without being found out.
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So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?

If you were a good troll, you would be doing this on the iPhone site about an EVO. You might just make a few iP4 users' heads explode.

wow ip4 a better phone really go back to your hole in the wall oh wait no ur still stuck behind the walled garden

Classick206 said:
So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?
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A better phone? No. Takes better pics and video, yes. Taking better pics / video doesn't make you a better phone. Making calls with reception makes a better pho... oh wait

SilverZero said:
Why would that matter?
Check out this article, it is a good demonstration of how the lens (or in this case, lens cover) really has a very minimal effect - if any - on image quality.
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Because mine is cracked and it true focusing on the crack, rather than the subject.
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i cant beleive, or i missed, no one pointing this out.
you are friggin shaking in the picture dude.
no picture will look good when there is movement.
but i side with you, my camera compared to my wifes camera is garbage.
my wifes takes consistantly better video and stills than mine does.
mine will show the camera focusing and all it does is focus near then far, then stops, it never stops on the right focus point, you can see where it focuses right on past it.
if there was a hack to allow a slider for focus that would be kick ass.
after some time and practice it would be easy to use the slider for focus.
but my shots such ass, big time.
if i Zoom in it will focus much better than if it isnt.
so i am not sure where the focus point is compared to where you place your finger but it isnt where you place your finger thats for sure.

It sounds like a problem my phone seemed to have in the beginning; it would focus and then stop auto focus a little blurry. I don't know what fixed it, but after I had the phone a few weeks, the issue seemed to go away. Now I can take pretty clear and amazingly focused photos.
As for the iPhone troll, I ignored him as I was on a website viewing some flash content on my phone just after I got done with a video conference on 3G . I then made a phone call and held the phone with both hands without dropping the call.

Classick206 said:
So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?
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Just wondering why you would post on the Evo forum only to say that the iPhone is better, especially when it's really subjective to say that. You must admit, that is rather troll-ish.

Classick206 said:
The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls
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You do know that the camera tech is almost identical? Only thing that is changing the "quality" of the pictures/video is software + compression.
Another typical oblivious iPhone user...

Check your camera, there might be a problem !

I just found out that there might be something really wrong with the camera optical part of the Desire HD. I don't think all phones are concerned, but I'm pretty sure that HTC put a good batch of bad phones on the market.
The main problem is that a side of your picture may be completly blurry. It can be the left side or the right side.
This can be better seen if you watch your picture in full screen on your computer. It's not obvious on small pics.
Already two guys (3 with me) complained about the same issue on the forum.
The website GSMarena reported the problem on their review of the phone :
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_hd-review-534p6.php
I quote : "Our Desire HD unit (an off-the-shelf phone) did have an obvious lens issue, which smudges the left side of the photos."
Also by observing a lot of pictures on google taken with the DHD, you can see the same issue.
It would be great if as many as possible would check their phone, come and report in this thread. So we could know how many phones are concerned.
At last, here are 4 samples, two taken with my DHD (blurry on the left), the other ones with the DHD of a friend of mine (blurry on the right). No need to say the lens was clean and not scratched ! :
Look on the left :
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Look on the right ( that's the mobile of my friend)

Nope, nothing noticeable on my pictures. I got mine in late October.
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nope... not a single blur...
even i got mine in late october from cpw..
i think the issue cud hve been in the 1st batch of DHDs...

i may be blind but your pictures look in to me

On some I have blur:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_W6UwGBqGQpE6KpffF0tiQ?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5qlnWwsW6-jiGYZeBRBTVQ?feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rwfykcSIxc3Rxq6ZwQHY7Q?feat=directlink
On others no blur:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2OklBwuyoScPV3CfkNA0hA?feat=directlink
(click on the magnifying glass to zoom)
I think this is connected with the pixel cropping. In order to be wide screen, the photo is cropped.
Also the non blured photos were taken on the stock 1.32 rom.
Clearly it's a software issue...
I got mine December.

terzer said:
On some I have blur:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_W6UwGBqGQpE6KpffF0tiQ?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5qlnWwsW6-jiGYZeBRBTVQ?feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rwfykcSIxc3Rxq6ZwQHY7Q?feat=directlink
On others no blur:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2OklBwuyoScPV3CfkNA0hA?feat=directlink
(click on the magnifying glass to zoom)
I think this is connected with the pixel cropping. In order to be wide screen, the photo is cropped.
Also the non blured photos were taken on the stock 1.32 rom.
Clearly it's a software issue...
I got mine December.
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Your blurred pictures look the same like mine, blurred on the left.
You talk about non blurred photos, but you just show one, and this one is a close shot, so maybe it's not so much significant. But as you said it was from your old stock firmware, I would be curious to know if you have others coming with this firmware, and showing no blur ...

AndroHero said:
i may be blind but your pictures look in to me
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On the two first pictures, just look at the stones. There is many details on the right, and it is completly blurred on the left. All my pics from this day at the beach look the same LoL

My camera do not have the blur problem that you mentioned, but it has the pink tint problem, like the HD2. The pink tint is best visible when the background is white. Not sure if any member alrdy mentioned about it, sorry if this problem has already been discussed and fixed!

My camera works great and no blur problems. The pinkish tone is there in some cases but it´s just to tone down saturation a tiny bit in a photo editor afterwards and it´s gone.
I had blurry and out of focus pics with an earlier HTC Legend though. It is a lens failure i guess from the manufacturer. I have also heard some people has problems with the autofocus "motor" it looks fine in the focus but when you press the shutter key it looses the "lock" and the pic gets blurry and ugly.
I guess it´s bit of lottery today with all electonics

my hd has blur on right side

in my camera guide you can see non of my pics has the issue even at full scale, taken using both 1.32 and 1.72, never noticed a pink thing either
its interesting to test if this is related to wide screen cropping option
either way this HTC batch thing is getting on my nerves, like the two screen types, let alone HTC skipped slcd on such an expensive phone, mine has annoying scanelines
its always something with HTC

Mine has a blur on the left of pictures
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Nothing on mine, crystal clear pictures everytime,, well when im holding the phone properly anyway!

hamdir said:
in my camera guide you can see non of my pics has the issue even at full scale, taken using both 1.32 and 1.72, never noticed a pink thing either
its interesting to test if this is related to wide screen cropping option
either way this HTC batch thing is getting on my nerves, like the two screen types, let alone HTC skipped slcd on such an expensive phone, mine has annoying scanelines
its always something with HTC
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I just tried changing for 4:3 and saddly the issue is still here
Well I think you were talking about that, isn't it ?
Btw, I'm sorry for your screen problem, I wasn't aware of that. Hopefully the DHD is still a nice mobile for Android, despite its many problems.

Hey this might sound silly but have you looked at the lens cover and maybe given it a wipe?
Once I took a picture that looked like that classic (oiled up baking paper filter)... i thought wtf!! my phones dying in the a**...
but then yeah... I gave it a wipe and all is ok. A single finger print on the lens cover could distort the look of a picture.

AndroHero said:
i may be blind but your pictures look in to me
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Same here lol
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Blur on the right side here too
Using 1.72 firmware

Same here
Same problem here. Blurred on the left side of my photos/

Not really a problem for be. Ill still be using my dslr.
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terzer said:
On some I have blur:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_W6UwGBqGQpE6KpffF0tiQ?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5qlnWwsW6-jiGYZeBRBTVQ?feat=directlink
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rwfykcSIxc3Rxq6ZwQHY7Q?feat=directlink
On others no blur:
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2OklBwuyoScPV3CfkNA0hA?feat=directlink
(click on the magnifying glass to zoom)
I think this is connected with the pixel cropping. In order to be wide screen, the photo is cropped.
Also the non blured photos were taken on the stock 1.32 rom.
Clearly it's a software issue...
I got mine December.
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luthor_70 said:
You talk about non blurred photos, but you just show one, and this one is a close shot, so maybe it's not so much significant.
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Here are more non blurred photos, using stock 1.32
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2Mn4ZoBbzv_lbRymVh_sHw?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/r34VOvo1Tvrruvu9aZZGGA?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/swrX330JyjQ73c_ldqMiHQ?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Ihs3j2huyObiriX-YzHVoA?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dA_UGTPQCr32jD-ccKuMtA?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5mXt1DIOy2IxOv6XPHZWdw?feat=directlink
I know some don't have good zoom, but I checked them on my pc, they are fine. Some have little blur, but I think this is the focus, or hand tremble.
edit: I noticed that the camera lens is a little bit off-centred. I saw that every DHD has this problem. Maybe the issues are connected.

Camera Problem goes Worldwide thanks to us !

Good Morning from Germany,
Sony have officialy answered on this Problem here you can read that :
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/126134
Now i decided to write an Email to XPERIABLOG.NET that they should something about the Cameraproblem or an image comparison between
HTC One, Galaxy S4 and Xperia Z
Here is the Email :
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and here you can read the article about this Comparison :
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/18/camera-shootout-xperia-z-goes-up-against-the-galaxy-s4-and-htc-one/

It's good that this gets more attention, but I don't hope that Sony will only look at this problem as a compression problem, because there is a lot more wrong here.

Sorry but I've had a good test of the Sony camera compared to HTC one and galaxy s3 and the xperia camera edges it barring the odd bit of over compression but I'll take it for less noise and better colour reproduction than both those phones
I believe the z has bigger fish to fry like unforgivable viewing angles, awful speaker quality, lag and ui skipping issues, over heating and odd and inconsistent battery life.
I loved this phone on face value but the more I use it the more I pick it apart
The camera is by far it's best attribute and is better than its competitors right now even if the photos are a little soft.

biffsmash said:
I believe the z has bigger fish to fry like unforgivable viewing angles, awful speaker quality, lag and ui skipping issues, over heating and odd and inconsistent battery life.
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Viewing angles: You want to look at the phone from a 45 degree angle? For what reason? Or do you love that other people can read your text's?
Aweful speaker quality: Ok lets put a better speaker in, but remove the whole concept of the phone being water proof/resistant
Lag: Yeah lag..... where!?
ui skipping issues: ??? Examples please.
Over heating: Name 1 phone that doesn't overheat, isn't it logical that the processor becomes hot when it need to process something big?? Since our phone's are made out of glass we will notice it even more, since glass is a good heat conductor (You could/should've known that before you bought the phone)
Inconsistent battery life : Partly true, it also has to do with the apps that you run, so you can't really blame Sony for that.
ANYWAYS.....this topic is about the camera so lets leave other issues aside.

What's all this about the camera, the Zs camera is easily the best I've ever seen. Stop using reviews as a basis for a petition. Many of these sites have their own agenda. I've repeatedly heard them say the Zs camera is worse than that of the iPhone. Well they could have fooled me. That claim doesn't stand up at all. It's biased stupidity.
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zodiac100 said:
What's all this about the camera, the Zs camera is easily the best I've ever seen. Stop using reviews as a basis for a petition. Many of these sites have their own agenda. I've repeatedly heard them say the Zs camera is worse than that of the iPhone. Well they could have fooled me. That claim doesn't stand up at all. It's biased stupidity.
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I don't know about other people, but I've got my own pictures as a reference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38823948&postcount=39
Not mine, but you can clearly see that there is too much noise:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38847402&postcount=41
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38858346&postcount=46
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39024438&postcount=76

Dsteppa said:
I don't know about other people, but I've got my own pictures as a reference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38823948&postcount=39
Not mine, but you can clearly see that there is too much noise:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38847402&postcount=41
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38858346&postcount=46
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39024438&postcount=76
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One of those guys said:
Amazing low light shots..not possible with my previous phones to look so clear (S3 and iphone5).
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You should not expect the same quality pic in a macro shot than in a night shot. With other phone, in those conditions, you would get a nice black photo. In Xperia Z you get a noisy pic, but at least it's not black.

I have to agree with the issue here. Before I even looked at the Xperia subforum, after coming from an S3, I knew straight away that I couldn't take a half decent picture and after 30 or 40 shots didn't get a single image I could use.
I could get a perfect picture on my S3, default settings almost every time, and if not, certainly the second time.
Nobody can say that's placebo caused by popular belief because I never even saw the complaints until I had decided for myself the picture quality was apalling.

the camera app itself is a big problem because it was ported from x1,x2 (windows phones) and tweaked a bit. guys who have/had x1 or x2 know what im talking about
when sony finally makes new or updates camera app some problems might go away

Some camera problems are dued to picture softness. Camera360 automatically "improves" the quality with a focus filter, you should test it.

Suggestions for HTC

How about we start a thread for ideas for HTC instead of complaining about the M9.

PUBLIC RELATIONS 101
You don't get to sell millions of phones just by hiring Robert Downey Jr. They need to put more effort into PR.

dnkeyhnter said:
How about we start a thread for ideas for HTC instead of complaining about the M9.
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Thats a good idea... I would like to have seen the speakers take the form of the speakers on the nexus 9 so that the bezels was smaller... Also get rid of the black bar and make a bigger ONE as an option... Otherwise this phone would be perfect...
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HTC should make one like this
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Super-Veloce said:
HTC should make one like this
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If that was the M9 it wouldn't even be a competition, although an RGB LED would be nice

Super-Veloce said:
HTC should make one like this
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This phone would have eradicated the S6, this phone looks stunning. Can't say the same about the final design as that black bar is annoying.
Also a RGB notification light would be nice.

I hope to see a vocal assistant like siri or svoice

Better utilization of the camera, the HTC m8 has a great camera, so does the m9 I'm sure. But it doesn't even compare when it comes to my old Nokia Lumia 920. Possibly partner up with Camera makers like Nokia did.

EddyOS said:
If that was the M9 it wouldn't even be a competition, although an RGB LED would be nice
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This is what I really hoped it was going to be

geoff5093 said:
This is what I really hoped it was going to be
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But the renders were not from HTC, they were all fan-based. Why get your hopes up for something that had no official links?
This is my issue with people's reaction to the M9. Although I'm disappointed with the design I'm also not surprised. HTC need to recoup some money and saving money on design means they can continue to move forward. It's good business sense. Design is already great, so address the issues with the M8 and bump the internal spec

I kinda like the front facing speakers of the one. I've never used an htc but it still looks nice for a change as all the prev phones iv used had a speaker on the back. Anyway, I think what htc needs is a notification led something like the OGP. That would be sexy.
Sent from my LG-E988

EddyOS said:
But the renders were not from HTC, they were all fan-based. Why get your hopes up for something that had no official links?
This is my issue with people's reaction to the M9. Although I'm disappointed with the design I'm also not surprised. HTC need to recoup some money and saving money on design means they can continue to move forward. It's good business sense. Design is already great, so address the issues with the M8 and bump the internal spec
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I agree with you a 100% and now they have a little more time to build next year's model... I bet it will be different next year, even though I hope it's not too different...
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To be honest, I'm not even mad at HTC for black HTC bar either. It's not a big deal really.
Seriously guys, if you want BOOMSOUND, and I'm sure you do, you need to be okay with some sacrifices. Those things take some serious space on top and bottom.

And it doesn't even look that bad in my opinion. If they move it that's okay. If they leave it, that's okay. Same with the uncentered top speaker grill. It doesn't bother me. That being said, i wouldn't upgrade to the m9 from the m8, unless my m8 was broken. Which it is. I think the m9 is mainly targeted for m7 or onex/evo4glte users that never upgraded to the One series because if the 4up idea (which wasn't even as bad as it was made out to be). Which means... They should have had the camera software ready. If they do fix it, then great. but they are already losing customers because of the stuff going around about the"disappointing camera" gahh.
I'd say the best design change would be make the next either thinner, or don't have the camera protruding. That's about it. The phone is beautiful. They should make the HTC logo on the back stand out more. The two tone colors are nice, they should make the HTC lettering on the rear of the phone golden, too.
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QUESTION:
you guys are wishing for an rgb notification led... whu? how were notifications provided on the M8?
I'm in a S3 and plan on the M9, but I'm surprised to hear this.

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Stephen