Good Morning from Germany,
Sony have officialy answered on this Problem here you can read that :
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/126134
Now i decided to write an Email to XPERIABLOG.NET that they should something about the Cameraproblem or an image comparison between
HTC One, Galaxy S4 and Xperia Z
Here is the Email :
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and here you can read the article about this Comparison :
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/18/camera-shootout-xperia-z-goes-up-against-the-galaxy-s4-and-htc-one/
It's good that this gets more attention, but I don't hope that Sony will only look at this problem as a compression problem, because there is a lot more wrong here.
Sorry but I've had a good test of the Sony camera compared to HTC one and galaxy s3 and the xperia camera edges it barring the odd bit of over compression but I'll take it for less noise and better colour reproduction than both those phones
I believe the z has bigger fish to fry like unforgivable viewing angles, awful speaker quality, lag and ui skipping issues, over heating and odd and inconsistent battery life.
I loved this phone on face value but the more I use it the more I pick it apart
The camera is by far it's best attribute and is better than its competitors right now even if the photos are a little soft.
biffsmash said:
I believe the z has bigger fish to fry like unforgivable viewing angles, awful speaker quality, lag and ui skipping issues, over heating and odd and inconsistent battery life.
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Viewing angles: You want to look at the phone from a 45 degree angle? For what reason? Or do you love that other people can read your text's?
Aweful speaker quality: Ok lets put a better speaker in, but remove the whole concept of the phone being water proof/resistant
Lag: Yeah lag..... where!?
ui skipping issues: ??? Examples please.
Over heating: Name 1 phone that doesn't overheat, isn't it logical that the processor becomes hot when it need to process something big?? Since our phone's are made out of glass we will notice it even more, since glass is a good heat conductor (You could/should've known that before you bought the phone)
Inconsistent battery life : Partly true, it also has to do with the apps that you run, so you can't really blame Sony for that.
ANYWAYS.....this topic is about the camera so lets leave other issues aside.
What's all this about the camera, the Zs camera is easily the best I've ever seen. Stop using reviews as a basis for a petition. Many of these sites have their own agenda. I've repeatedly heard them say the Zs camera is worse than that of the iPhone. Well they could have fooled me. That claim doesn't stand up at all. It's biased stupidity.
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zodiac100 said:
What's all this about the camera, the Zs camera is easily the best I've ever seen. Stop using reviews as a basis for a petition. Many of these sites have their own agenda. I've repeatedly heard them say the Zs camera is worse than that of the iPhone. Well they could have fooled me. That claim doesn't stand up at all. It's biased stupidity.
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I don't know about other people, but I've got my own pictures as a reference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38823948&postcount=39
Not mine, but you can clearly see that there is too much noise:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38847402&postcount=41
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38858346&postcount=46
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39024438&postcount=76
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I don't know about other people, but I've got my own pictures as a reference:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38823948&postcount=39
Not mine, but you can clearly see that there is too much noise:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38847402&postcount=41
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38858346&postcount=46
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39024438&postcount=76
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One of those guys said:
Amazing low light shots..not possible with my previous phones to look so clear (S3 and iphone5).
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You should not expect the same quality pic in a macro shot than in a night shot. With other phone, in those conditions, you would get a nice black photo. In Xperia Z you get a noisy pic, but at least it's not black.
I have to agree with the issue here. Before I even looked at the Xperia subforum, after coming from an S3, I knew straight away that I couldn't take a half decent picture and after 30 or 40 shots didn't get a single image I could use.
I could get a perfect picture on my S3, default settings almost every time, and if not, certainly the second time.
Nobody can say that's placebo caused by popular belief because I never even saw the complaints until I had decided for myself the picture quality was apalling.
the camera app itself is a big problem because it was ported from x1,x2 (windows phones) and tweaked a bit. guys who have/had x1 or x2 know what im talking about
when sony finally makes new or updates camera app some problems might go away
Some camera problems are dued to picture softness. Camera360 automatically "improves" the quality with a focus filter, you should test it.
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is the camera on the HD2 better than the TouchHD.
This is the only thing i wasnt happy with on my touch HD, the camera was unacceptable in anything but daylight conditions.
My older N95 took great pictures in all conditions, the video was even acceptable when filmed in a dark night club, infact the sound was clearly audible from very loud gigs, where as every other phone ive seen was just distorted.
While Id love to progress from Touch HD to HD2, I am unwilling to accept poor camera performance in favour of a large screen.
The I phone is not an option for me either, as I know the camera on that is even worse than the Touch HD.
Please let me know your thoughts on the HD2 camera (ignoring the pink screen problem which is no doubt fixable soon)
Thanks
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And that helps him how???
I find the camera on the HD2 better than the camera on the HD, but not amazingly so. I still occassionaly take blurred shots, but it's quicker, and let's face it - it's got a flash!
So the speed and the flash definitely improve the performance, but it's still not an amazing camera. I'll certainly be happier using this than my HD though.
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I find the camera on the HD2 better than the camera on the HD, but not amazingly so. I still occassionaly take blurred shots, but it's quicker, and let's face it - it's got a flash!
So the speed and the flash definitely improve the performance, but it's still not an amazing camera. I'll certainly be happier using this than my HD though.
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This seems to be the general consensus - better than the Touch HD but not even close to the quality of the camera on the N95.
The camera is amazingly better.
1) Much higher light sensitivity --> less noise, less blur in dark conditions
2) Much faster, focuses automatically, immediately takes the picture when you press the button
3) The flash is great, easily illuminates a room of up to 20qm or objects in up to 4m distance in darkness
The camera is amazing. Much much better than the one in the HD. Of course still not good as cameras found in some camera/dumbphones, but very good for a smartphone. Much better than most competing smartphones, like tue Droid or iPhone.
Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD, there you can see how much better it is: http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=147444
ah, excellent.
Thanks to everyone who left constructive advice, the HD2 is greatly improved.
Thats definately given me more confidence.
So have they solved the pink photo problem?
acutally i think the camera is fine, maybe the flash is a bt too bright but takes good pics.
i found that on the white balance option if i changed it to the icon that looks like an upside down light bulb the pink hue disappeared! and took great pics.
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ah, excellent.
Thanks to everyone who left constructive advice, the HD2 is greatly improved.
Thats definately given me more confidence.
So have they solved the pink photo problem?
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It would be better to keep this question locked to the topic that is covering it don't you think....
Otherwise you are going to get fragmented disinformation where one topic is saying one thing whilst the other could be saying different.
maati said:
Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD, there you can see how much better it is: http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=147444
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Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD where you can see how much worse the HD2 is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4958710&postcount=27
Note particularly the third and fourth images, and how much more detail the HD captures.
EDIT: I include this in the interests of balanced reporting, I make no claim that it is necessarily any more authoritative than maati's link - peruse both and make your own mind up.
The best improvement on this "side" in the new LED flash... but except this.... It's the best HTC camera I've tested (including Magic / Hero)... but it's still an HTC camera
@Shasarak
I honestly can't believe that those shots are from the HD. I've still got an HD myself and the HD2's camera is a HUGE improvement. Nothing less than amazing, except for the 'pink spot issue'.
Look at this: HTC Touch HD is on top, HD2 at the bottom.
(I've even done several pictures with the HD and I took the best one!)
And this is in good conditions! In bad conditions, the difference becomes enormous, because the HD2's sensor has greatly improved light sensitivity.
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HTC uses the same cameras as other manufacturers do. They don't make those chips themselves, they buy them from the same suppliers that other handset makers get their chips from. The only difference is software.
I don't know why people always think that HTC cameras are worse than those used by others, because that's clearly not true. Of course thicker handsets like Nokias or some Sony Ericsson ones have better cameras because they can use bigger sensors and optics, but HTC's cameras are just as good as others in comparable (i.e. thin) phones.
i was waiting at the vet and decided to snap a picture of my dog
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both the still and viewfinder display show these lines
(a reset to factory settings via the camera app restores it to normal)
is this something anyone else has experienced?
RavenWulf said:
it's just 1 of many screen names of someone who is upset about something the Mods have done.
does the camera only have the issue with stock app or does it do it with 3rd party apps like Camera 360?
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Yea i'd have to agree download a second Camera Application to see if it happens on a secondary program. That will isolate the difference between a bad camera or bad programing.
you know i didnt look and see if camera360 was doing it
my suspicions lie in the camera app getting wonky (see: using multiple programs and getting a bad driver warning...please restart)
it happens
ill check another app besides stock when it happens again
thanks guys
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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Bingo, this is the answer.
tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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nailed it
the 2x it has happened has been in similar lighting situations
This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO
Whosdaman said:
This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO
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At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.
tintingkc said:
At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.
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Yeah nokia has some amazing cameras on their phones think of if nokia made a android... that would be amazing xD i love their build quality and phones just.. symbian ew
tell me about it
http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/
I haven't read it yet... http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z1-Review_id3427
The photos looks miles better than the photos GsmArena took. It's pretty obvious different Review units has different hw/sf tweaks in them
Sadly, the battery wasn't reviewed. Also, I would have liked to have seen some commentary on the phone's relatively low headphone's output power. I do enjoy my music and I'm concerned this won't be loud enough with my earphones plugged in. I'll definitely be checking out a device before I even seriously consider buying a Z1, but does anyone have any input on this matter?
Tizza said:
Sadly, the battery wasn't reviewed. Also, I would have liked to have seen some commentary on the phone's relatively low headphone's output power. I do enjoy my music and I'm concerned this won't be loud enough with my earphones plugged in. I'll definitely be checking out a device before I even seriously consider buying a Z1, but does anyone have any input on this matter?
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The review just said power output. I mean, if it doesn't sound loud, just crank up the volume. I think the power thing relates to bass or treble. There's an option to increase those settings though.
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lee480 said:
The review just said power output. I mean, if it doesn't sound loud, just crank up the volume. I think the power thing relates to bass or treble. There's an option to increase those settings though.
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Sorry, I guess I'm showing my ignorance? But I do know of at least one member here who is experiencing a lack of loudness, and I don't think it's the first time I've read that about the Z1
Surprised
Well, I'm a little agog,.... A good review of a Sony-made mobile phone from Phone Arena. Will wonders never cease?
Well, my handset has dropped by (review up shortly) and I have to say: pleasantly surprised by the camera - yes, the processing could be better in low light but the clarity in daylight, even on a dim and grey Yorkshire day, is actually pretty good. I'm thinking that has summat to do with the software update that I received within moments of booting it up.
ONE FLY IN THE OINTMENT,.... and it's big fella,.....
Sadly, much like GSM Arena, my camera lens appears to have an aberration - a fuzzy area to the left of centre where the focus is out. I don't have time to send it back for replacement before going way on a trip this week but it'll be heading back to O2 and onward to Sony as soon as I get back.
Dear Sony: Quality control,... you might want to look it up.
Timaustin2000 said:
Well, I'm a little agog,.... A good review of a Sony-made mobile phone from Phone Arena. Will wonders never cease?
Well, my handset has dropped by (review up shortly) and I have to say: pleasantly surprised by the camera - yes, the processing could be better in low light but the clarity in daylight, even on a dim and grey Yorkshire day, is actually pretty good. I'm thinking that has summat to do with the software update that I received within moments of booting it up.
ONE FLY IN THE OINTMENT,.... and it's big fella,.....
Sadly, much like GSM Arena, my camera lens appears to have an aberration - a fuzzy area to the left of centre where the focus is out. I don't have time to send it back for replacement before going way on a trip this week but it'll be heading back to O2 and onward to Sony as soon as I get back.
Dear Sony: Quality control,... you might want to look it up.
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GSMarena uses a preproduction unit, not the actual retail unit. Look at their unboxing - doesn't have headsets.
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True GSMARENA has pre production unit they have mentioned it in review itself, so this is the true potential of the phone. Absolutely flies, great work Sony!!
pictures look about the same, here's a 1:1 view of their Strong-Light indoor shot.
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as you can see it's still full of grain/over processing. no doubt that pictures look great when not viewed 1:1. What this translates to for the regular user is that some digital zoom/cropping of the 20mp image won't look so great. but when has it ever except on the 1020?
i just expected more from them...
Screen seems good enough now, major problem is bezel and SIZE of device.
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Honestly those two are personal preference, I have small hands and I don't mind it. A lot of devices have big bezels and it doesn't seem to bother a lot of people.
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Hello!
I'm the owner of a brand new Xperia Z3, which I bought in major part for the camera, but i noticed a pink spot in the middle of many picture, most of the time when i take a picture of plain white/grey/brown surfaces. It seems that i'm not alone since at least 10 other owners reported the same problem on the Xperia support forum:
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Z3-Dual/Pink-spot-with-xperia-z3-camera/m-p/839421#U839421
I post some pictures that I and other owners uploaded on the forum:
If you have the same issue; please go to the sony xperia support forum and make your voice heard
the adress is: http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3-Z3-Dual/Pink-spot-with-xperia-z3-camera/m-p/839421#U839421
In addition, don't forget to vote for the REDDIT of this issue in order to raise awareness:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2kdwtw/sony_xperia_z3_owners_do_you_also_have_a_pink/
Thanks !
Seeing these threads makes me get tired of the Sony Xperia Z3 as a whole. Reminds me of the time of the HTC One M7. Here is another related thread on a defective camera or software processing: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/xperia-z3-camera-purple-tint-lots-noise-t2917459.
Shots with one of the Z3, on SUPERIOR AUTO mode:
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This is sickening!
Yeah I have it too, although it doesn't seems to be as bad as yours. Maybe it's a focus thing?
Having the same issue and posted on the Sony Mobile link you added, hopefully Sony can get it fixed.
Read a lot of reports of Z3C owners having the same problems.
Wow! I'd send this phone back, it should NOT look like that
Can someone confirm that they are NOT having this problem? I want to have some hope it is a software issue, not hardware.
Mine gets the pink areas but more mild but not centered like OP. Mine is definitely not that bad.
Call your nearest TMO store and tell them to reserve a phone on release day and exchange, I am going to do that as mine has severe light leakage from the right side of the frame.
I'm not. Certainly can't recreate it on testing.
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I'm not. Certainly can't recreate it on testing.
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What model/firmware are you running?
color shading
It's called color shading..
you can see it in this review. Mine also has this issue indoor.
connect.dpreview.com/post/9735822205/dxomark-mobile-report-sony-xperia-z3
"On the downside, DxO says "color shading is visible in some outdoor pictures and low light conditions and strong flare is noticeable in sunny backlit outdoor scenes." "
Good thing this was brought up, I will test the new phone's camera at a TMO store before I exchange.
Are you guys having this problem with the tmobile variant of the phone? I have the international D6603 and I don't have the pink spot in the middle.
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Are you guys having this problem with the tmobile variant of the phone? I have the international D6603 and I don't have the pink spot in the middle.
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T-Mobile (D6616) here.
Mine is more diffuse but not as bad as those pics.
abhinav.tella said:
T-Mobile (D6616) here.
Mine is more diffuse but not as bad as those pics.
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I had the same issue with my old HTC One M7, had a pinkish tint around the edge. I had to call HTC and shipped the phone to them so they can replaced the camera sensor.
Looks like OPs photos made it to Phonearena. Hope Sony is listening.
Article:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xper...t-a-pink-blotch-issue-with-the-camera_id62206
I also have the issue but sooo much less u don't notice fast,only users who use camera often will notice
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I also have the issue but sooo much less u don't notice fast,only users who use camera often will notice
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Yep mine is more like yours.
Mine has that pink spot as well, t-mobile version. I can't really notice it during videos but certain pictures you can sort of see it, this sucks.
I'm also seeing this on the Z3 compact but it doesn't seem as bad as the OP. Mine seems much worse when I snap pics of blue things. White I'll get it but not as bad as when I shoot blue.
Edit: Does anyone have one that DOESN'T do this? I'm still within my exchange period for my Z3C. Wondering if I should risk the exchange and have the same issue (if not a worse issue) on the new unit.
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I'm also seeing this on the Z3 compact but it doesn't seem as bad as the OP. Mine seems much worse when I snap pics of blue things. White I'll get it but not as bad as when I shoot blue.
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Wow that's as bad as OP's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6amPw-4gKb4
I expected better designs like in the mockups
I really hope the video is a hoax
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vsCAOpH7S5A
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I guess that HTC went with the "if something isn't broken don't fix it" moto, cuz the only major improvement is the camera.
Another leaked video from Upleaks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGvnyii8xlc
I think it's a fake... Look at the M9 when the guy is taking the photo to the girl: the phone has got a thick black stripe under the screen, while the one over the screen is very thin. Now watch the rest of the video: the upper strip is bigger, while the other is thinner... Oh cm on! And sorry for my bad english
Also these advertisements are really bad made... I'm not really sure they are true!
Really hope this isn't the m9. The black bar is just awful.
ho my god
it s an M8 again :crying::crying::crying:
I really dont get why all negativity, the M8's design is great and better than the competition in every part of the build. So why would HTC Change what yes ain't broken, the Camera is meh on the M8, so its now been improved, the performance if the M8 is anything to go by will be fantastic. There will be other things I'm sure that will change that mindset.
I honestly wasn't expecting huge changes in design and that's cool with me. I would safely assume the M10 or whatever the 2016 model may be will have that change.
I'm sure you'll all be happy when you purchase
I'm a bit disappointed in HTC, banging on the internet doors that they are bringing new things to MWC, just to show us a refresh/fix of the M8 (Yeah I know they will bring more stuff).
They better be calling it the HTC one 8.5 or something, because this isn't a number change worth.
I still think the M7 is a better looking phone then the M8, just because of the radius on the corners, and because the bottom and top speaker have the same width.
what a disappointment
Its not that bad lol I didn't mind how the m8 design was.
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I'm not convinced this is the final version of the m9. With the leaks in the past few years, it's possible HTC is creating their own leaks to generate buzz. Regardless, I still love my m8 and am getting the m9 when my tax money arrives.?
I agree. I'm not sure it is real. Look at the poor editing, the screen images are not correctly aligned with the phones edges. Not the professional video I'd expect from HTC.
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I guess that HTC went with the "if something isn't broken don't fix it" moto, cuz the only major improvement is the camera.
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Is the power button squashed or something?
PlatinumNick said:
the only think us htc m9 fans can hang onto is the spigen case picture. If you look at their pictures with the cases there is no black bar the the bezels are pretty small the front facing speakers are redisigned and thats all I need.
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Sorry to burst your bubble guys but shown is known to do this, they are restricted and prohibited to release or leak the actual images of the up and coming mobile phones, it would defeat the purpose if unveiling it at the MWC.
Look what they did with last year's Galaxy s5
They thru everyone off on purpose to think Samsung had finally ditched the home button....
But no..
Right after the unveiling they quickly replaced the image with the accurate one. After all, all they really need are he sizes and the shape of the device, the font doesn't matter, it could look like mickey mouse and all they talk need to do is show off the case... the front has nothing to do with the case, the front camera or speakers have nothing to do with the case.... Nothing...
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Hmm.... they didn't put attention to detail in this one. Check out the differences..
Well, what might actually be the case here is the picture on the left (the camera app) is actually taking the photo, the picture on the right is viewing the photo in the gallery app so the space on the top which would be the supposed bezel would simply be extra space as the picture isn't full screen.
Take that with a grain of salt, because that whole commercial doesn't really feel that 'professionally done'. It could just be graininess but when watching the screen you can almost tell that some cgi work was done on it.
Based on the this link from amazon the black bar with the HTC logo is gone
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spigen®-MET...TF8&qid=1424885797&sr=8-2&keywords=htc+one+m9
if it is true, is a good step forward!
LOL i don't think thats the phone, and well spotted with the difference, the smile and no smile on the phone screen, fail
Get real guys that's the M9,not saying there won't be a ultra version also but that's the M9
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Genesis Nova said:
Well, what might actually be the case here is the picture on the left (the camera app) is actually taking the photo, the picture on the right is viewing the photo in the gallery app so the space on the top which would be the supposed bezel would simply be extra space as the picture isn't full screen.
Take that with a grain of salt, because that whole commercial doesn't really feel that 'professionally done'. It could just be graininess but when watching the screen you can almost tell that some cgi work was done on it.
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We're talking about the photo being different. The photo they zoom in on has obviously been retouched and was not taken with the M9 straight out of the camera.