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ROM-Dev madness!

Foreword: I mean this in the most constructive way possible. While I'm not a <android> developer, it occurs to me that with the wealth of Android ROM-devs and an excellent base of testers (like myself, an unexcellent but present tester), there has to be a better way.
I love XDA-Dev as a resource, and it's been a godsend since I got my MT3G. I've had the opportunity to use some very well done builds which have been time-invested by their developers. I've learned a lot about my device, and am beginning to understand Android as a platform. Here's the beef:
Some ROM-posts are 1000+ pages long. While I could read all 1000+ pages if warranted, it's simply inefficient. What information am I after? I want to know:
Does it work on my phone?
What's the latest version?
Where's it at?
Are there any specific bugs on my phone with this build?
Who else is using this build, and what hardware are they using?
What bugs are being worked on?
What workarounds are applicable to this build?
What bugs are open and need community feedback?
etc...
Is there some sort of bug-tracking setup that could be used to facilitate this? I don't mean or intend to steer *anything* away from XDA-Developers, per se, but this current forum method doesn't seem very conducive to making forward progress.
<shrug> I know, I know, I'm a noob around here and should just work with the herd. I've seen other comments touching on some of these issues, so I thought I'd throw it out there. I apologize if it's been brought up before and shot down.
Hey, what about this? I was looking for a semi-authoritative list of Android ROMs that matched what I outlined above and came across it.
If I had the resources I'd volunteer time/materials to help the cause in that light, but being the schmuck I am (ya' know, working full time and school part time), I can't offer anything substantive. So while this might sound like a gripe, maybe it will compel someone else to make some magic happen. That, or have my account disabled
Any thoughts?

I understand where you are coming from.. but I don't find it that hard to find the rom and information I am after.. all it takes is a little time..
Why not help out by adding to the wiki?

I dont see how this has to do with development, you are just as guilty as the people you speak of.

xyzulu said:
I understand where you are coming from.. but I don't find it that hard to find the rom and information I am after.. all it takes is a little time..
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I hear ya, it's just not a very concise method and I'm sure you've seen "what's the best build" & "will this ROM work on my phone" and "hey are there any issues with this build", etc...
xyzulu said:
Why not help out by adding to the wiki?
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I've thought about it, and went as far as the edit screen a few times. Then it's like "aww crap, here goes a few hours...". Back to homework
Jrbourque said:
I dont see how this has to do with development, you are just as guilty as the people you speak of.
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I think it has everything to do with development, advancement of the builds flying around here, and support of the folks that put their time into it.
Maybe you misinterpreted what I was saying, but I surely wasn't trying to assign guilt to anyone. Things are the way they are because they got that way - doesn't make it right, 'doesn't make it wrong. I just thought maybe there's a better way to support the community.
It's all good.

Jrbourque said:
I dont see how this has to do with development, you are just as guilty as the people you speak of.
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It's this kind of attitude that is putting a lot of people off. The OP has made some very good and valid points and deserves at least a response to the points he has made, not just a one sentence put down.

[DISCUSSION] ANDROID/MAEMO/LINUX on HD2 (Discussion Thread)

Okay I'm a lurker on the developer thread and I thought it best to create a separate topic where everyone can talk about it (or complain that people can't shoehorn an OS on a device fast enough for their liking despite the fact that people are doing it for free basically) without all this "DEVELOPER DISCUSSION ONLY AUGUGHGH" "but we don't know where else to post about it"-ism
so this thread is for the non-developer discussion of said project:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575
(won't let me past "outside links"(?) cos I'm a n00b for some reason)
so there's no excuse now for anyone who posts "when is it done?" in the other thread
Also, a few pointers since some people don't get it and I'd rather save a developers/non-developers civil war thing.
How long will it take? - You're looking at about a year at least. Remember, it's installing an OS on a system that isn't meant to even have it. It's going to take a hell of a lot of time to guesswork and muck around with this stuff.
(all the people moaning on engadget re: the US HD2 launch being all "HTC release an android update right now " and then being all "OH XDA WILL SORT IT OUT" (because apparently xda is their overnight miracle machine) annoy me something chronic for this reason.)
remember too that these people are more or less doing this for free.
Can't you just install the Nexus/Supersonic/etc. rom on there? - No.
from what I understand of the whole thing (I'm not a developer so take this with a pinch of salt) there's an awful lot of different code and such on these things which means it isn't as easy to just "install" it on another OS. It's like asking why you just can't fit a jaguar engine into a VW beetle. It could work, but there'd be a lot of work and rerouting etc. to be made and even then it would need a lot of tuning and sorting out.
Is it ready yet? - No. You will know when it's ready.
What's happening at the moment? - From what I've read of the whole thing they're trying to iron out kinks with the linux Haret thing thats going to run Android. After they've got it to boot, they're going to have to try and get android working with the HD2. This is why it's taking so long.
so yeah.

hey??
yeah but..
this is the xda DEVELOPERS forum
and this is the HD2 DEVELOPEMENT section
so i guess the linux android development thread does what its supposed to !!
i know its frustrating and you like me want android on the hd2 but to be honest i i find half the fun is the bloody long wait and the small progressions that are made, thats how we learn.
=====PEACE=====
edit >> ok looks like this thread was useful after all - my wrong !! ..

**shrug**
A mod can move it elsewhere if needs be, I was just getting sick of all the feuding going on between people who wanted to talk about it and the developers yelling at the people who aren't posting about developing and thought it best to make a separate thread so non-developer people can talk about the project and developer people can drop in and give advice

yeah
actually you got a point.
theres a fair ammount of flame grill on the other thread that does get annoying
i subscribe to the other thread so i get an instant email for every post and i get my email on my hd2 just as you would a text message so it can be a pain.
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Ha finally found again this topic.
I am wishing you all my best to port Android to the HD2 because with all the **** around WinMo 7 comptability, you look the only one able to save the HD2 in the future!
I really hope everyday that Android will be working on our HD2...
Btw, the HTC Desire is going to be out soon, and it has the same specification than the HD2... Does it increase the chance got Android on our HD2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594
Good luck and all my best !
Zepiii

i hope we get android on our HD2's with spb mobileshell 5.0

Zepiii said:
Ha finally found again this topic.
I am wishing you all my best to port Android to the HD2 because with all the **** around WinMo 7 comptability, you look the only one able to save the HD2 in the future!
I really hope everyday that Android will be working on our HD2...
Btw, the HTC Desire is going to be out soon, and it has the same specification than the HD2... Does it increase the chance got Android on our HD2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594
Good luck and all my best !
Zepiii
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All about Gizmondo.com or Gizmondo.fr its bull**** !!
This web site works for Apple its sure !!
Edit : mistake but im sure about Gizmondo

Ok

Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Like Android would be wounderfull to have WebOS runing on HD2...a beautifull simbiose with outlook and Itunes integrations.....and push notifications...and light apps for everythink.
I dreaming with that.

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Careful now mate. Watch what you say!

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Why don't *YOU* take the lead then if you're so capable of passing judgement on other people; as to do that you must have some amazing development skills in getting an operating system running on unknown poorly documented hardware.
Obvioiusly everyone will bow down to your uberleet level of skill when *YOU* present all of the fine work *YOU* have done!
otherwise...
stop being so bloody rude!
Dcordes knows a fair bit more than most people about linux hacking for ppc devices, I suggest you give him the respect he and others deserve!
if this post upsets you think about what you wrote...

I'm hopeing that it will not sound total idiot, but:
why it's not possible to use NexusOne rom dump, and using it for HD2. Hardware is nearly same except buttons and screen size.
thanks

zabique said:
I'm hopeing that it will not sound total idiot, but:
why it's not possible to use NexusOne rom dump, and using it for HD2. Hardware is nearly same except buttons and screen size.
thanks
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Ooooh dear...i´m still wondering why people are that damn lazy these days, not reading just one line in threads that are having 709 posts at this moment...don´t you people think that there should be a 100 percent-likelihood (in a developers-forum!) that another big brain spits out such ideas? exactly 1.000 other so called "newbies" have mentioned this point in the past few weeks...sometimes in every third post, again and again, without having read what other people have posted one line above. This is not about beeing a newbie or not, this is just about a little respect to the developers, serving nice presents to all of us without getting paid for it. what you guys can do for them? well, the first step should be not to spam around questions that already have been answered 1000 times before...instead go and read through the replies and at the end, when you are sure that there is no answer yet (after using the search function too, of course)...THAN ask your question or type in your comments and I think everbody will thank you for your participation in this community.
Sorry zabique, of course this is not against you ...but after reading exactly the same line for the 20st time/last two weeks there was no inhibition of my fingers typing these lines possible

i have a lot of respect for those developers, i die a bit inside every time a noob asks how it is going and **** like that.. anyway its nice they are working on it and i hope they succeed! dual boot windows / android would be really cool to have! i will surely donate if its working.. but to who should i donate? maybe its an idea to make a sort of bounty (lets say i will give $20 for getting android on hd2) and someone else also $20. thats 40 in total. if that 40 is shared and given to the developers that have worked on that project it would be a stimulation for them i guess.. only i dont know what developers are working intensively..
anyway my reward will be $20
more of you are going to join?
maybe its an idea to add the totall's of the $$ and the name who gives what in the first post?

fards said:
Why don't *YOU* take the lead then if you're so capable of passing judgement on other people; as to do that you must have some amazing development skills in getting an operating system running on unknown poorly documented hardware.
Obvioiusly everyone will bow down to your uberleet level of skill when *YOU* present all of the fine work *YOU* have done!
otherwise...
stop being so bloody rude!
Dcordes knows a fair bit more than most people about linux hacking for ppc devices, I suggest you give him the respect he and others deserve!
if this post upsets you think about what you wrote...
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If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.

simranjits said:
If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.
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Of course with the guy who have your thinking psychologically, we have the desire to continue working.
Maybe now you know guys who are better and who are willing to take the trouble to come and work for free for fun, to the delight of members!
If this is not the case, then dont write!
I think you're not an adult, easy to dictate but to do the works is another thing.

simranjits said:
If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.
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all you know is nothing...
so please shut up and let people who do know what they are talking about get on with it..

fards said:
all you know is nothing...
so please shut up and let people who do know what they are talking about get on with it..
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actually he is quite right. if you have any idea what developers are talking about then you can see that all they do is guess in trial and error style. but aparently you dont have any idea

From the viewpoint of a software architect, it's indeed hard to watch the other thread without crinching every once in a while. On the other hand, the plan of attack there seems to be part of a culture that has done stuff like this quite succesfully with other challenges.
So i won't be surprised if we eventually get a nice port of android running on the HD2.
Mind you, i do believe that an undertaking like this would need the infrastructure, tools and mindset like the main android project has in place at the moment. But that would require a "DEVs and Testers only" door policy.
Simply put, the other thread here lets the lesser gods put their 2 cents in too. I'm cool with that.
BTW, i do not approve of any condescending remarks about the the other thread, nor do i wish to make my own through this mail.

[Discussion] Idea for OpenSource NAND Bootloader

Hello everybody.
I know that Cotulla has developed already his own Bootloader but I think it would be the best if we could use one Bootloader who are OpenSource so everyone could work on it !!
Now I searched for some Informations and found these very interested Article:
little-kernel-based-android-bootloader/
Here a little summary of the Article and basic Informations:
The bootloader does the basic task of hardware initialization, reading the Linux kernel & ramdisk from nand device and loading it up to RAM, setting up initial registers and command line arguments for Linux kernel and jumps to the kernel.
In context of support for Qualcomm chipsets and Android, the bootloader currently supports:
* Variety of nand devices for bootup
* USB driver to enable upgrading images over usb during development
* Keypad driver to enable developers enter ‘fastboot’ mode for image upgrades
* Display driver for debugging and splash screen
* Enable Android recovery image and image upgrades
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Now we have to find some Persons who would help to develop little Bootloader !
Here are some thing who we are needing:
How to build Bootloader ??
How to build flashable Version of Bootloader ??
I think the first Point of work are to know how we could build Programm which are we could dump into "NBH-Files" to let us flash it ??
I hope that we could find some Persons who would help me with these Project !!
Greeetz Oliver

do you even know how to program in the first place?

This serves no practical application whatsoever.
Cotulla has already written a perfectly functional bootloader that can boot Android, WM6.5.x, and WP7. What is an open source version going to give us that this one doesn't. Let's all redo everything he just did, only not as good, so we can say it's "open source".
This isn't an OS, nor a kernel, nor anything other than a bootloader, it makes no sense to spend months redoing something in the name of open source when that isn't going to help us at all. Cotulla is probably the only person who could do such a thing anyways. How do I know this? Well, he's the only person who HAS done it. We don't even need the source code for this thing honestly. It's like messing with the source code for HSPL, there's no need. Once it's done, it's done, and no one knows that stuff better than Cotulla anyways.
What exactly are you looking to accomplish here?

Im an HD2 user and very interested in nand for HD2, as many others users, i really want to install android on nand. As i know, the android for HD2 now is ready, we are only waiting for bootloaded, but I feel that it takes forever for waiting this thing.
sorry for my bad english

Better to wait a while for the bootloader and have it built and tested right. If it is released early it has the protential to brick a lot of phones properly as it will be replacing the orgional bootloader. Be patient people, the devs are doing an amazing job!

OK now I read that nobody seems to be interested and we have to used Cotullas Bootloader I personaly break at this point and says thanks for the comments !!
MOD Please Close this Thread !!!

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This serves no practical application whatsoever.
Cotulla has already written a perfectly functional bootloader that can boot Android, WM6.5.x, and WP7. What is an open source version going to give us that this one doesn't. Let's all redo everything he just did, only not as good, so we can say it's "open source".
This isn't an OS, nor a kernel, nor anything other than a bootloader, it makes no sense to spend months redoing something in the name of open source when that isn't going to help us at all. Cotulla is probably the only person who could do such a thing anyways. How do I know this? Well, he's the only person who HAS done it. We don't even need the source code for this thing honestly. It's like messing with the source code for HSPL, there's no need. Once it's done, it's done, and no one knows that stuff better than Cotulla anyways.
What exactly are you looking to accomplish here?
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With such highly lyrical appraisal, I guess you must have MAGLDR flashed on your phone..?
Cotulla has been criticized by several developpers as talented as he is for keeping his bootloader closed source, even if it's his right. The point? His source code could inspire other devs working on other devices. So making a new bootloader out of scratch may be tough, I think personally that it's a good intitiative.
Without knowing everything at stake, what were you trying to accomplish here anyway?

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With such highly lyrical appraisal, I guess you must have MAGLDR flashed on your phone..?
Cotulla has been criticized by several developpers as talented as he is for keeping his bootloader closed source, even if it's his right. The point? His source code could inspire other devs working on other devices. So making a new bootloader out of scratch may be tough, I think personally that it's a good intitiative.
Without knowing everything at stake, what were you trying to accomplish here anyway?
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Well I'm certainly entitled to my opinion, just as you are.
It seems fruitless to me for someone to take months to develop an open source version of a bootloader already developed.
The developers' time could be better spent on things as yet undeveloped.
I am sure that if developers on other devices want some help, Cotulla would be willing to help them on IRC anyways.
I have not seen actual developers criticize Cotulla for not releasing his source code for magldr, only a few forum members who have not developed anything.
The developers I have seen have all praised him for creating the bootloader, porting WP7, helping with NAND development and other feats.
Maybe I missed something...
Honestly it's not the worst idea even and I do see theoretically someone might want to attempt it, it just seems like a horrendous waste of time and it seems the best developers on this site have day jobs and I don't see them spending their free time redeveloping something in the name of open source.

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Well I'm certainly entitled to my opinion, just as you are.
It seems fruitless to me for someone to take months to develop an open source version of a bootloader already developed.
The developers' time could be better spent on things as yet undeveloped.
I am sure that if developers on other devices want some help, Cotulla would be willing to help them on IRC anyways.
I have not seen actual developers criticize Cotulla for not releasing his source code for magldr, only a few forum members who have not developed anything.
The developers I have seen have all praised him for creating the bootloader, porting WP7, helping with NAND development and other feats.
Maybe I missed something...
Honestly it's not the worst idea even and I do see theoretically someone might want to attempt it, it just seems like a horrendous waste of time and it seems the best developers on this site have day jobs and I don't see them spending their free time redeveloping something in the name of open source.
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You surely did miss something, it happened on htc_linux IRC chat, several times.
The problem is that MAGLDR is not out yet , and anything can happen today or tomorrow forcing DFT team to drop the project suddenly, sending all the work on NAND drivers LeTama, Gauner1986 and others did go to garbage.
The fact that one person has full hand to such a project has its pros, for it can be dangerous to deliver a bootloader that might brick phones everywhere around the globe out of the blue, and cons, since no one knows what may happen to threaten the project life.
So I think an alternative is welcome, and the point I agree with you, is that it should have come really earlier, like 2 or 3 months ago...but never too late it is friend.

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You surely did miss something, it happened on htc_linux IRC chat, several times.
The problem is that MAGLDR is not out yet , and anything can happen today or tomorrow forcing DFT team to drop the project suddenly, sending all the work on NAND drivers LeTama, Gauner1986 and others did go to garbage.
The fact that one person has full hand to such a project has its pros, for it can be dangerous to deliver a bootloader that might brick phones everywhere around the globe out of the blue, and cons, since no one knows what may happen to threaten the project life.
So I think an alternative is welcome, and the point I agree with you, is that it should have come really earlier, like 2 or 3 months ago...but never too late it is friend.
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I think Cotulla has got MAGLDR im not to sure but from my point of view,ide much rather wait for him to do it and have it done properly as he knows what hes doing rether than someone else do it and not having it work 100%.Cotulla has put an awfull lot of time and effort into sorting out this NAND and it will come,we just be all patient but when it does come,our device will be truelly awsome,having the abillity to boot 3 or more Os,itle deffienetly give our HD2 a couple of more years life before we get somin else,its been a while in the making and i reckon we could see it be released early next year.Well as the saying goes,all good things come to those who wait

Just wow again. I am always amazed at how impatient people reason...it is so...one sided.
It is the ethical responsibility of anyone making an offering to the public free or otherwise to deliver a product that is not harmful or damaging. If I started giving out free hot dogs on the corner, and warned the public that they MIGHT get e-coli if they eat it, how long do you think I would last before I was shut down for endangering the public...? Even with inanimate objects people have lost in court for damaging property with a faulty product that was given away for free.
If MAGLDR had been released and it was faulty this place would be inundated with complaint after complaint by the same people who are moaning because it is not out yet.
The OP's reasoning is WAY out there! Hmm I want a Playstation 4 , but it has not been released and who knows what is happening with it or when it will be out, so we should get a group and do this ourselves...
All I need is...
1. Someone to design it
2. Someone to build it
Really we get the right people, we could do it!
Gee. Original. Well covered. You are a project manager aren't you?
Excuse me, I need to go clean up some of this sarcasm.
J

Guys, this isn't a topic for your opinions. If you have something constructive to add to the topic of the thread, please do so, if not, I'll remind you that this is a developers forum and no matter how frivoulous an attempt you think it might be, it still has a place at XDA.
Locking this up as per OP's request.

[UPDATE:16.10.12]ATRI Atrix ThatRom Installer v2

hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
here is a link http://www.mobile-inform.com/content/view/1148/1/
this is early alpha. you take all responsibility on yourself. I do not recommend you to use this rom, but if you still want to use it - here it is
UPD Updated To ThatRom v2 (AtrICS)
all thanks to the author of ThatRomv2 (AtrICS), i made only the Installer!
With best regards
the_fly

I don't think that it's a good idea to make an automatic installer of something that it's no stable for someone who doesn't even know how to use fastboot nor flash a zip. Maybe when this finally reaches the stable "level", then you should do the Installer.

BravoMotorola said:
Maybe, until you're not annoying, you should stfu. Seriously stop trying to tell people what to do.
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Wow dude, that was really uncalled for. He is actually right because now the op has put himself in a position to be harassed by anyone who tries this and messes up their phone even though they should and do know the risks. He was just trying to be helpful, he wasn't attacking the op for making it.

I agree making an unstable, untested, developer test build easily available to newbies is a very bad idea. If they can't at the VERY least learn how to use fastboot and adb, they should come nowhere near this ROM. Unless of course you really want to be held responsible for dozens of bricked and/or unusable phones, and be expected to provide extensive support at all times.

if they are noobs - it is their problem. Everything is written befoure me.
Everyone takes responsibility for their actions.
There were several noobs who were crying about ICS even if they do not know what to do. and they are happy now, despite the bugs.
I am not, but i made for those who are. I am not going to tell anyone to install it, i did only help, but i suggest nobody to install it.

It doesn't work and you know it. It's as if there was some paid software that people want, and you made a crack/patch for it, and then you say you don't advise using it. Do you really think people will stay away just because you advised so? No, they won't. In fact in that case your disclaimers make no difference whatsoever, you are equally at fault for making it available as they are for using it. Why do you think all anti-piracy companies always go after crack makers and distributors and not so much after users? I mean many crack makers also advise against using their cracks. But people are stupid and never listen, and in in the eyes of many crack makers are the original offenders.
Or if you want a different analogy - go find a mentally unstable person who can't really think straight (may seem offensive but noobs who want test builds on their phones clearly do not know what they're doing), then place a bottle of some drugs and a fresh needle within easy reach, and then tell them you advise not using it. Observe what happens.
IMO this kind of things are best dealt with preemptively, by not even making the potentially controversial stuff easily available.

you see, i've made first script of unlocking the boot a year ago. a lot of peole thanked me. they were happy - they unlocked once and than used other ways to change the firmware. They were noobs, but happy noobs. 18 000 downloads (i think some of them were same persons, for example me - while i was testing, or when i was unlocking for my friends), but only 4!!! broken phones. 2 of them caused by bad motherboard and 2 of them by ignoring the manual and all the warnings.
This one is more easy one. less questins. less work. just use it.
and if person already have unlocked boot there will be no problem with this FW
and i want to mention it again some users are happy enought with this fw. Some do not have reboots, some have but for them it is ok.

You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
Sent from my MB860 using xda app-developers app

agurzhiy said:
hello, i've made an Automated Atrix ThatRom Installer.
This script will help noobs to do everything without any troubles.
The file is a rar archive with all firmware files + installer.
With best regards
the_fly
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Thanks agurzhiy!
I am a proud noob who used your unlock script and will use this one.
For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this". It's my choice what to do with my phone and agurzhiy providing us noobs with a possibility to participate in the effort to make it better.
The bottom line is instead of criticize why don't you spend this time and energy on creating and helping the community. Remember you were ones noobs too.
Sent from my MB860 using xda app-developers app

e07015 said:
You should tell everyone that this is a very alpha rom. It does run without multiple reboots for most people per the forums. I personally have tried all methods and cannot get it to run.
I appreciate your efforts but this is not something that noobs will get any value from. You should be very clear upfront.
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i think everyone knows that it is alpha rom. nobody is going to install a script if if nobody knows what's inside. But i will add that it is alpha

ComX said:
For all the pros which have a problem with this- you have the same approach as Motorola - "It's complicated you can't understand this".
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You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.

Is this just a fastboot script or an bootloader unlocker and ram fix etc etc

ravilov said:
You're missing my point entirely here. But that's okay. I don't want to argue anymore.
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I do not think that this is an argument. It is more like sharing different views on a subject.
I know what you mean, you want to prevent (or at least warn) noobs from taking the risk of bricking their phone and you are right 100%. But let me ask you how many of XDA readers are dumb enough to download some thing like this without reading at least a bit about it(*). Give ppl a little credit, most of us will stop on red light although it is possible to continue. Take me for example: I wanted to use nebtop but had a difficulty to understand how to root. Than mramirezusa came out with Automatic bootloader for noobs like me and boom - now I'm using the atrix as a streamer and without this tool I couldn't do this on my own. My point is that having a possibility to do stuff is highly appreciated.
* Ryan Dunn: If You Gonna be Dumb - You Gotta Be Tough.

this is a fastboot script to make it faster and easyer for a noob

UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows

agurzhiy said:
UPDATE:
added the 32 bit version for x86 Windows
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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?

Zeljko1234 said:
IMO, you should stop spending so much time here on the forum arguing with people. Don't get me wrong but your posts are usually quite offensive (example what I saw today). You post almost in every thread, smartassing noobs, playing to be moderator... If you know something, share it, if post or thread is against the rules, report it.
Now you're arguing with guy who made first script of unlocking the bootloader and in the same time insinuate that many of xda members are just dump.
Forum, especially xda, is about sharing knowledge not giving useless advise/comment or to google it.
P.S.
Sorry everyone for off topic.
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We try not to feed him, Zeljko1234... Just let him be.
Your point is well deserved; but don't feed the trolls.

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Dude, you've only been thanked here 7 times... Stop thinking so highly of yourself.
Unless you are going to stick around the forums helping these guys out when they have issues with your release, because they won't have anywhere else to go, and because other devs are busy with their own stuff, than you should probably refrain from posting anything that makes it easier to flash dangerous software.
Unless you're willing to help "guy xyz" (since quotes seem to be in) on "page 74" when he asks again, "why am i having video issues after flash", because your main post lacks important details and explanation and your web link is not multi-lingual, please refrain from posting content which could be perceived as harmful to use.
Any good software community recommends first releasing to a smaller test group in order to work out major bugs and minimize any potential impact the software may have on the device... And, any good service community would recommend first releasing to a smaller test group in order to create a base to compare full deployment scenarios against... In no cases would they make it easy to install buggy software on devices of users who can not adequately report issues during alpha stages of software.
Why is it so hard to understand how that applies here?
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Why don't you argue with epinter or any other person who put ThatRom?
Why are you arguing with me?
i made the thing easier, but i am not responsible for the uncomplete software. some people are lazy to use fastboot, but they know how to use it (i have flashed my phone 3 times while testing some of options to find out how it works)
other do not have enough knowledge to flash, but it's thair dream to have it, they are ready for the bugs and they alwas can ask me to help them to flash any other FW. And if they have unlocked boot - they can use CWM.
And the last group - the people who are just afraid to install after a lot of information about locking bootloaders. In russian community forums i've read 10 such questions from people who i know, from people who know how to use fastboot.
And if person do not want to install it - he may not install it!

I'm thankful to everyone who share knowledge. Even if I don't use everything, I usually download or read just to learn how. Without such guys, Internet itself will be mostly useless.
Do not blame anyone (especially epinter) for your mistake. He and many others guys spend a lot of their private time to figure how to do something, developing, supporting... and then sahre for free! As I can see, very rare they get donation. Almost never for the most loudest complainers which just wait that someone else will do something for them.

As I explained, as long as you are willing to stick around and help people with issues they encounter after flashing this, and provide more detailed instructions that people can read in your first post, it's not an issue.
Low thank count makes the more seasoned members cringe, as people release stuff that brick phones then disappear (it happens), leaving the community in a state of unrest trying to figure out the full impact of an unmaintained release, how many users were affected by the release, and a common way to fix the issues, and it leaves it up to other developers to explain to every xyz person to read this thread, read that thread, or flash this to fix.
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Now what?

Considering that our project that shall not be mentioned was successful, I was wondering about what can be expected in terms of custom roms for this device. I don't know if ASUS released decent sources for the Ze533KL, so can we expect an eventual daily driver release or shall we expect more experimental builds? Of course I'm not asking for ETA, just wondering about what can actually be achieved for this phone.
The thing I really wanted to have with this phone is some kind of burn-in protection (which is implemented in LOS as far as I know). My phone is still under warranty, and I can already see marks of the keyboard and other icons when displaying a white image.
Since the actual thread was closed, maybe this one could be used as a bulletin board for any new unfoldings.
Cheers.

sure thing, I also thought about creating new thread where we can inform each other about our initiative. I believe that McFy is waiting for his unit to arrive. Then there will be LOS hopefully. I'm rooting for him
As far as Lineage OS features I think it is OK to ask a question here and wait for some research and answer about it.
Let's keep our fingers crossed

"Now what?" is a fantastic name for the thread.
Exactly my feeling.
Ironicaly, XDA killed the iniatitive on the day it reached its goal. So, there was no reason at all to do what was done.
About a custom ROM for the device, I have no preferences. Whatever suits the developer is good for me as long as the final product is stable and runs well.

hello everyone,
I bought the device and got it today, I downloaded stock rom, kernel sources and flashed twrp on it, I did a first build for this device but it didn't boot. Don't ask any ETA as I will not be able to tell the amount of work until I get something working. I will share with you the progress but can't give any date.
Regards and thanks for the support

bro pls give an unofficial process to unlock this device because official unlock tool not working it shows "unknown network error".

@McFy any news?

please share a working process of unlock bootloader without asus unlock tool apk....i m waiting for 3 years

McFy said:
hello everyone,
I bought the device and got it today, I downloaded stock rom, kernel sources and flashed twrp on it, I did a first build for this device but it didn't boot. Don't ask any ETA as I will not be able to tell the amount of work until I get something working. I will share with you the progress but can't give any date.
Regards and thanks for the support
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Not asking for an ETA but noticed this is your last post on XDA - everything ok?

NANDO1413 said:
ajuda dos brasileiros
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Nando, I don't have a Telegram account, but if someone starts building and need testers I would gladly volunteer. Just let me know here either on this topic or via pm.

NANDO1413 said:
ajuda dos brasileiros
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I'll be honest - I don't know what any of that says and for the next ten days I'm stuck on mobile (vacation!!) so if you could translate that would be great.

koimr said:
I'll be honest - I don't know what any of that says and for the next ten days I'm stuck on mobile (vacation!!) so if you could translate that would be great.
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Basically, a dev named Erik will try to contact Mcfly so that they both could work on porting the official Zenfone 3 Lineage to Zenfone 3 Zoom.

predatorian said:
Basically, a dev named Erik will try to contact Mcfly so that they both could work on porting the official Zenfone 3 Lineage to Zenfone 3 Zoom.
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Thank you for that.

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Oh well, don't wanna jump the gun here, but it seems like the dude took the money and spent on something else, or he's been really busy since then, as he no longer even commented on any xda posts.
In any case, It's a shame. Now we know why XDA doesn't allow group funding for this kind of thing. Not asking for eta is something, but you can't volunteer to develop for a device, take the money and disappear and expect people not to distrust you.
My advice for all others that contributed would be to next time buy a phone with a greater dev community, and never donate if there's no ongoing project.
Really hope I'm wrong here, please @McFy, show up and prove me wrong.

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Oh well, don't wanna jump the gun here, but it seems like the dude took the money and spent on something else, or he's been really busy since then, as he no longer even commented on any xda posts.
In any case, It's a shame. Now we know why XDA doesn't allow group funding for this kind of thing. Not asking for eta is something, but you can't volunteer to develop for a device, take the money and disappear and expect people not to distrust you.
My advice for all others that contributed would be to next time buy a phone with a greater dev community, and never donate if there's no ongoing project.
Really hope I'm wrong here, please @McFy, show up and prove me wrong.
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I don't think you're jumping the gun - it's almost three months since @McFy last posted to us that he obtained the phone and even his github project named "android_device_asus_zenfone3_zoom" (which I presume this was for) doesn't appear to have any work done on/to it whatsoever - I don't think it's unreasonable to have gotten some kind of status update within that time, even if it's negative.
Without knowing what happened for certain I will unfortunately have to think the obvious.

Hey guys sorry for not updating you, I don’t want to tell my private life but my gf have health problems and it made me busy driving her/ spend time with her, I definitely didn’t forget you and am in touch with the project, I achieved to boot but lot of stuffs are broken; zenfone 3 have now new trees since it is now official and I am working on it; I went in touch with the dev. Fyi I did buy the device for real as I said, I am someone you can trust and in the case the situation of my gf isn’t getting better I will give that phone to another developer at my fees; I also want to mention It’s not on my habit to share wip builds or push trees change until it’s not on a state I judge nice enough.
Best regards and I hope you will understand. I totally apologize but I went inactive in all dev scene I am on and it’s hard for me as well to come back like this..
If you have any questions I can answer them if they are not personals.
I sincerely hope that you guys won’t get mad at me.

McFy said:
Hey guys sorry for not updating you, I don’t want to tell my private life but my gf have health problems and it made me busy driving her/ spend time with her, I definitely didn’t forget you and am in touch with the project, I achieved to boot but lot of stuffs are broken; zenfone 3 have now new trees since it is now official and I am working on it; I went in touch with the dev. Fyi I did buy the device for real as I said, I am someone you can trust and in the case the situation of my gf isn’t getting better I will give that phone to another developer at my fees; I also want to mention It’s not on my habit to share wip builds or push trees change until it’s not on a state I judge nice enough.
Best regards and I hope you will understand. I totally apologize but I went inactive in all dev scene I am on and it’s hard for me as well to come back like this..
If you have any questions I can answer them if they are not personals.
I sincerely hope that you guys won’t get mad at me.
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First off, I am sorry to hear of your gf's health problems - and I truly mean that. I hope that she recovers and you don't need to tell us any more information because that is personal.
Next - the heads-up is absolutely appreciated. Thank you! I do hope you can also see from our point of view how it was looking to us and understand that we were getting puzzled. Now we know why.
Thank you again.

koimr said:
First off, I am sorry to hear of your gf's health problems - and I truly mean that. I hope that she recovers and you don't need to tell us any more information because that is personal.
Next - the heads-up is absolutely appreciated. Thank you! I do hope you can also see from our point of view how it was looking to us and understand that we were getting puzzled. Now we know why.
Thank you again.
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That’s me who owe you that and more.
Yes I ofc can see from your point of view and that’s why I went back on the forums, I got emails and more so I realized I got the phone since enough time for you to think I might have forgotten you,
Thanks for your message it’s really appreciated!

So, another month's passed. Any news?

anyone in contact with the developer?

so sad. that money was important to me. now the z3z is kinda past on my life. won't judge others, but by the delay, i guess i can judge myself injuried.