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First off, let me say this tablet is amazing and I really like it. It cost me a good fortune (I'm a student) and am starting to feel like I've been ripped off. I say this because the nexus tablet is coming soon and nvidia plans on making sub 200 dollar tablets with their quadcore in it.
Now lets be honest. You guys seriously think dev support will grow for this device, a $400+ tablet with NO idea on when ics will be arriving, if it ever does. Or would they flock to a much cheaper device, has google's full support with the latest updates + source?
Of course I am speaking strictly in terms of potential through the power of developers working hard to get crazy tweaks and mods going on. And please don't flame me, because this if pretty much what this website is exclusively about. Anyway my point being, it just seems like cutting your losses short and selling this device now looks like a smart option. I'd like to hear any other thoughts.
If dev support is what you are after I would say cut your losses and find a more mainstream device. I doubt that we will ever see more than a few good devs supporting this device. Its been out for 6 + months and really hasn't sold all that well. Traffic in these forums has been rather slow as well. I love my device, just being realistic.
When ICS source comes out we should see some roms but who knows when that will be. I personally change phones about every 6 months but may hold out with this until October to see what Apple has up its sleeve 7inch wise.
Before comparing the 7.7 with what the Nexus tablet might end up to be and at what price, let's not forget that Google is probably going to sell it at cost or with a loss just to compete the kindle and iPad. You really can't compare the business plan here.
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TPizzle said:
First off, let me say this tablet is amazing and I really like it. It cost me a good fortune (I'm a student) and am starting to feel like I've been ripped off. I say this because the nexus tablet is coming soon and nvidia plans on making sub 200 dollar tablets with their quadcore in it.
Now lets be honest. You guys seriously think dev support will grow for this device, a $400+ tablet with NO idea on when ics will be arriving, if it ever does. Or would they flock to a much cheaper device, has google's full support with the latest updates + source?
Of course I am speaking strictly in terms of potential through the power of developers working hard to get crazy tweaks and mods going on. And please don't flame me, because this if pretty much what this website is exclusively about. Anyway my point being, it just seems like cutting your losses short and selling this device now looks like a smart option. I'd like to hear any other thoughts.
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The premium you paid for this device is for its extra lightweight, slim design and display. There are many other development oriented devices out there, so I think you could consider switch if active development device is what you are looking for.
You could still do a lot of fun things hacking these device, though, if you chose to keep it.
I got this as a digital sketchpad. The display wss the deciding factor. 30% increase in color gamut, highest contrast ratio ever. As absolute black as we may ever get AND access to the additive color model??? Biggest revolution in the history of mark making since the invention of painting...or maybe stainglass....
Sad its marketing flopped, I think the multinational injunction apple placed against these devices certainly isn't helping their mainstream adoption...
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im kinda thinking the same... wait for the toshiba 7.7 (7.7 FORM factor is so good you can use the upcoming CHAMELEON HOMESCREEN on your 7" tab- but i dont think toshibas build will be better than P6800), wait for ics (damn you SAMSUNG we paid premium for this device... give us our updates) or wait for finished roms (the devs are SAVIOURS of this device- thank God we have them).
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http://www.indiegogo.com/atlaz
Just a quick on. Would you devs and general hackers be interested in cheaper alternitive?
Same specs just won't look as nice. and probably only do HDMI out instead of speaker outputs. Also made in china to drive down the cost.
Im in the process of getting a prototype worked up.
Anybody interested?
Here is a question for you.
Would you be happy to buy it at cost price or a slightly inflated price where I could then send free devices to developers?
I do not wish nor want to make money on this product.
sounds good
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Just a quick on. Would you devs and general hackers be interested in cheaper alternitive?
Same specs just won't look as nice. and probably only do HDMI out instead of speaker outputs. Also made in china to drive down the cost.
Im in the process of getting a prototype worked up.
Anybody interested?
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yeah big time but its gotta really hit the price point of a google TV to be logical...
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what price point are you aiming for?
Sub-$100, I would be interested.
Hoping for sub $200 but I will try and drive the price down as low as I can. It will have the same CPU/GPU as the Nexus Q and if possible same WiFi Bluetooth and NFC chip to avoid and driver issues when you great developers do a straight up port.
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yeah it would need to run the same components. i don't see devs going out and buying the model that is basically a knock off and supporting it (no offence, i would love your knock off version). I would be curious as to if removing the amp would mess that kinda stuff up? i suggest you talk with devs first and see. I feel as if the amp is a lackluster, and extra cost feature not really needed as buying a external sound system is cheap these days.
all in all i love your idea and would like more updates on where your at!
thanks!
The product was never designed to be a knock off of the Nexus Q. It just so happens that they have the same basic hardware. This device was intended to be a Android Media Player that was running crap hardware. I watched I/O and seen the beautiful device and after looking at it realised its the same CPU/GPU and the idea sprung to mind. I don't want to market it as a knock off Nexus Q but a Android Media player with hack-ability that can if you so wish, pretend to be a Nexus Q in terms of software.
sorry didnt mean to knock you like that saying "knock off" haha that has a bad sense that comes with it. let me rephrase. if you could produce a device that would run the exact same software, Dev ports as well, i would snatch that up in a heartbeat as i feel the development on the Q will be greater with google pumping out 6,000 of these devices to devs at I/O.
are you thinking of starting a kickstarter? if you plan to jump into anything like that please post the link so i can check it all out!
If you need someone to bounce ideas off of im open to comment and try to help. im an aspiring dual major in CGT and entrepreneurial class so if you wanted some models or business ideas im down to talk.
Quick update on the price point. I think it will be impossible to do this for sub $100. The processor in the device itself is costing $60 alone.
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Quick update on the price point. I think it will be impossible to do this for sub $100. The processor in the device itself is costing $60 alone.
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cant work on mass orders at lower cost? that seems high but i guess i could be wrong =P
I think two versions could have some success:
1. Basically same parts, exact clone except the design and maybe the lack of an amp and fancy leds. Basically you can run the same Rom without any bigger Modifications. At least 30% cheaper.
2. Heavily striped down version with another soc, no nfc, maybe even no bt. Just hdmi, mains and audio. Allwinner A10 comes into mind. Pricetag under ~$90.
The Tegra3 is rumored to cost $25 in the Nexus 7, if you can get descent quantity order i think the omap should be in that price range too.
Currently my order is only 1000 orders. Because I have to way to guarantee I can even move that amount! Currently working on a kickstarter style project page.
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Definitely interested in an open alternative to the Q.
You should definitely try Kickstarter for this. You should be able to get a large order to drive down the price if its popular enough
I am not sure what market you are targeting with your planned android media player.
With a built in speaker amp, the Nexus Q differentiates itself from the pack. As such, it can compete in the Sonos type markets, and in markets like all of the "iPod Docks" that you see littered in cubicles everywhere. Considering Sonos charges $350+ and Bose charges $250+, the Q can be considered somewhat competitive, considering it's Made in America status.
By removing the amp, now you are turning it into a Google TV / Apple TV / Roku / WDTV Live / etc competitor. This is a very intense market, and if you can't get the made in china price under $100, I think it will be hard to compete. (And there are already small / cheap devices that plug into a TV: http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/18/3028202/mk802-android-usb-hdmi-stick )
As I said the CPU im looking at $60 before shipping. I plan to sell the the device at cost + shipping. Their is a kickstarter page coming (Not actually kickstarter as im not in the US)
The AMP is of no use to me as the device would go into my current setup.
Also being almost deaf I personally have no use for it :laugh:
How's this coming out???!?! I'd like to see where this goes I'm interested
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OUYA might have beat you to it... yes it a gaming system but its 100% open... so just port jellybean to it and you looking at a pretty nice little media box...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
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I'm well aware QUYA? Has absolutely smashed their target and probably any chance this device would take off. However if OK able to get enough interest I can order in numbers where I the cost is low enough. In the mean time I'm waiting on some renders before I publish a crowd source funded page.
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while i am backing the OUYA, i am still interested on seeing what you have brouught to the table! please update asap!
Here is my update.
http://www.indiegogo.com/atlaz
Also link now on OP.
Google delayed the Q so it can add additional features, will we get these features too ?
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Google delayed the Q so it can add additional features, will we get these features too ?
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No one at this time except for those internal to Google.
If I had to bet the functionality will be SW and all Nexus Q's will get it.
I agree with Shieze on thinking that all modifications will be software related. I bought mine on ebay also and I have to assume that I'm a little scared to have paid too much for something and they now can just release a new hardware or something.
If it's a new hardware, it's done, cause they gave it away for free, so, our case is lost! We paid for it because we are hungry to new technology, so, it's not their matters...
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I agree with Shieze on thinking that all modifications will be software related. I bought mine on ebay also and I have to assume that I'm a little scared to have paid too much for something and they now can just release a new hardware or something.
If it's a new hardware, it's done, cause they gave it away for free, so, our case is lost! We paid for it because we are hungry to new technology, so, it's not their matters...
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The way I see it, it probably is going to be hardware related in part at least. Why delay a launch when they can just push out a software update? That doesn't make sense unless it has something to do with hardware imo.
Thinking more about it you probably are right. Why they will just sent a "preview" version for free if it was only software. There is no reason... start to regret to be so hungry about new stuff...
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I also think it has to hardware related. Why else give away inventory for free? I'm kicking myself for buying off ebay, but at this point there's not much I can do about it. Just have to wait and see.
I highly doubt it it hardware related, the Q's sold on eBay were given out to developers Why would Google screw the developers? That is unless they are going to make it cheaper...
Believe me, I'll be very happy if I'm wrong.
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Hardware will stay the same, don't worry about that.
They are giving them away for free just to buy some more time to make it worth $299 and that has nothing to do with the hardware.
Nexus Q is running on Jelly Bean, new version which still has to be adopted by the side of developers, and Google still has to create appropriate SDK for Q.
On the other hand, it's not only the software, they also have to make some changes to make all or some of their web-based products avialable on Nexus Q but controlled from other older versions of android.
It's not a simple task and they need some more time to do that.
But, even if they make any hardware changes, they will not going to affect the functionality of the firstly shipped devices.
For example - 3.5 mm audio jack.
Everything will stay the same, you will still have all the functionalities.
But they will not change even that.
Google started developing open source OS (Android) and invested billions in past few years just to create it for free and to spread the internet among the end users. That means more adds and more money for Google.
They will do the same with Nexus Q. They are trying to bring commercials to your living room.
Maybe you are concerned now, but just wait for few more weeks and you will be very happy and satisfied, trust me.
I don't feel bad about buying off Ebay at all. I do feel a bit sad about missing the "pre-order" for the 2nd Q
But even if Google does change the HW for the "real" release, you should realize you bought a "Developer" edition for a reason - you have full access to the software that runs the Q. I have an Apple TV, and its *useless* to me, because Apple doesn't give me any way to make it my own. With the Q, even if it bombs at being an entertainment center, is still a low power, dual core Linux computer with a USB port that you can run all day & night for home automation, music playing, file serving, general web browsing, alarm clocking, whatever, because the source is available.
Plus, its a glowing ball! Who doesn't want a mysterious glowing ball with wires coming out the back!
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Plus, its a glowing ball! Who doesn't want a mysterious glowing ball with wires coming out the back!
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That's what I told my wife.
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Hi,
I'm a big Samsung fan, i've had the S1, S2 and currently own the S3..at the moment i'm running cyanogenmod 10.1 and after a few initial misgivings about it's lack of features compared to a sammy touchwiz rom ... i'm really starting to like the aosp feel and look..
Now after a year of owning the S3 i'm getting a bit restless and feel like a change.. the nexus 4 is the phone that's intriguing me most. So I have a really simple question, is it a sensible move to the 4 from the S3.
Carl.
Yes only if non removable battery or SD card is not a problem which I personally don't mind and the camera won't to better but around the same and no lte then I'd say go for it , it does give you a bang for your buck especially with development I use P.A which is awesome
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The main pros of the Nexus 4 that I keep listing anytime I tell people about it are the following:
1. Price. $350 is pretty much half the price of any other competitor to the Nexus 4
2. Pure Android, updated directly from Google. As soon as a new version of Android is released, it's on the Nexus. Google develops Android FOR this device.
3. Design. Glass front and back, it's a solid phone. Looks sleek.
Now, newly-released phones do have slightly better hardware. But we're getting to the point of diminishing returns. We're packing so much hardware into these devices, you'll hard-pressed to find software that actually makes use of it. I think the only debate you should be having is buy the Nexus 4 now, or wait until the next Nexus comes out, possible during the holidays. That isn't to say this phone won't still be a solid phone then, but I can understand if some people wait to buy updated versions.
To answer your question: yes. It is definitely worth it. At $350, it's fiscally irresponsible NOT to buy a Nexus 4. Right now I'm paying $30/mo for a tablet plan on AT&T with 3gb of data. Having weird and crazy options like that don't seem to happen with other phones. I feel like the Nexus 4 is YOUR phone, not 80% your phone, 20% the manufacturer's.
Spoiler alert: I might be a little biased, but c'mon. It's a sweet phone.
No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:
Definitely get the phone. It's worth every penny. Root it and put Franco kernel and you're good for the entire day.
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Before I read everyone else's post I want to say I came from the gs3 had gs2. I would do it again in a heart beat. However it's not a super huge upgrade like it was from gs1 to gs2 or even gs2 to gs3. The software is where I enjoyed the phone the most.
I loved my screen on my gs2 and gs3 on this I wasn't impressed until I got used to it. Now I feel samsung screens have to much pop in the colors
Hope this made sense
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is the phone worth it, hell yeah for 350$ you can't get better. Is it worth it for you? You'll have to answer that question yourself.
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No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:
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Assholes like you are why XDA has a bad reputation with newcomers. People come here FOR research, prick.
Go for it and join in all the fun on XDA! Cool
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Says the guy with one thanks.....
I called no one names But you, on the other hand broke XDA rules. Reported.
/waaaaa
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Lol dat butthurt
Well the guy is trying to get perspective from people who actually own the device and use it day to day which is much different than reading any review from someone who might be biased in one way or another.
Maybe the op could have used a different subject or maybe asked what everyone thinks of the phone from actual owners.
Just something to consider before jumping to conclusions
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Not in love with the Nexus 4. Have had it since January when it replaced my SGS2 (T989). I really appreciated not having to search for the least buggy ROM, as the stock was nice but at this point I'm dissatisfied with the Camera, which seems to produce mostly mediocre pictures (sadly, and since my other devices and cameras produce better ones, I'm afraid it's not (usually) operator error); the screen, whose color palate I don't love and whose auto-brightness is chronically dim (which can of course be mostly remedied by not using auto-brightness, though wish I could), and lastly the touch sensitivity, which I may try to adress now—I understand there are fixes. Nevertheless, I'm gonna see what T-Mobile will sell me a SGS4 for...
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No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:
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Perhaps next time if you've got nothing constructive to say, you should just refrain from posting...
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tweaked said:
No, don't buy a N4. You obviously can't be bothered to research and figure out if this phone is worth it or not. You definitely aren't going to do any other research when you attempt to Root, Rom, and Mod......Buy a different phone and clutter their forums.:silly:
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Cheers for the help.. i've read dozens of reviews, spec lists and browsed many forums to get a decent idea of the phone, I thought i'd ask people who may have previously had the Galaxy line of phones and XDA seemed a logical place to do so..
I've been a registered member of this site for probably 2 years and never created a thread before, simply because of the very hostile and condescending attitude of some of the members and BINGO, you did yourself proud mate..
Carl.
N4 is awesome bro get one.i never regretted not buying a note2
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Why make a thread about is it worth it? :thumbdown::thumbdown:
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Been thinking about it myself. If they have HDMI or MHL out, I'm sold.
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Asus has to cut corners to meet Google's price point, so no.
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Depends on what the specs end up being and whether or not I get an Android phone (currently using an iPhone 5). I may do a flip and go from Android tablet/iOS phone to iOS tablet/Android phone... or I may ditch iOS altogether. I know what the vote would be on this forum
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Depends on what the specs end up being and whether or not I get an Android phone (currently using an iPhone 5). I may do a flip and go from Android tablet/iOS phone to iOS tablet/Android phone... or I may ditch iOS altogether. I know what the vote would be on this forum
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Hey, don't be that fast to assume. I own a lot of tablets and my iPad is almost always my go-to device, mainly because I personally have no use for widgets so most Android tablet launchers are wasted on me.
for sure
You never know. All Nexus devices are sold at cost.
One of the big downfalls of the N7 was the lack of Video Out. Although, now with Android Sticks and the Ouyas, I'm not sure if it is really needed anymore. My N7 works so well that it would be hard to give it up, but they are still super nice and possibly able to sell for $100+. Right now, I'd say no... but once it is released, I'm sure I'll pick it up. Something typically always surprises me and makes it a no brainer.
The price is low enough that selling your old device > new device makes it a great buy.
The sad thing is that I need to sell my existing devices. I have a brand new, in the box, Nexus 7 32gb and my current N7 32gb. If I pick up a new one, my old lady will flip her lid.
So I am in no rush to grab one and I will probably wait it out to see if it is really worth the upgrade.
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Hey, don't be that fast to assume. I own a lot of tablets and my iPad is almost always my go-to device, mainly because I personally have no use for widgets so most Android tablet launchers are wasted on me.
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The reason I'm considering getting an iPad (it would be a Mini, by the way) is because iOS 7 has actually impressed me quite a bit in day-to-day use. I've also fallen in love with Jelly Bean over the last 5 months or so of using my Nexus 7. That leaves me in a quandary where I'm not partial to either and there are some compelling reasons to have one of each, especially the combo I'm considering.
I was going to, but not anymore. I broke my 8gb n7 about two weeks ago and have a nice payout from square trade, but the issue is that now I need my tablet. I have grown impatient with Google's lack of released info this year on dates and prices, however its safe to assume its going to be more expensive. I decided to grab a 32gb n7 that's presently $199 instead. Its still a healthy upgrade for me and I can use my old cases and accessories. I also like to play with ROMs so the older device will of course have better support for awhile.
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The lack of tablet apps kind of discourage me to get the next n7...
I've had a 16GB N7 for almost a year and it's been a great tablet. Besides one issue I had with it not charging it has worked VERY well. I've never had any of the (somewhat) common issues like screen separation and it's still plenty fast. With that said I recently returned a new 32GB N7 that I purchased for $199 at Microcenter. I'm glad I did because the 32GB model is now $30 less at Staples. There was absolutely nothing wrong with it - zero build quality issues and it seemed noticeably faster than my 16GB model. I just don't want to get stuck with last years hardware if the new N7 is a big upgrade at a similar price.
In my opinion, it's unfair to compare an actual, available device to rumors, so I'm going to wait for official specs & price for the new N7 before making up my mind which one to buy.
I totally agree with you that the 32gb model is faster, esp loaded with cm10.1 and lean kernel. I also had an issue with one if the 32gb units, the staples mgr and I figured out they had a batch of units from batch D20 that were all defective with various issues. He broke out a D10 and its flawless. FYI if anyone sees any issues with theirs and what batches to look out for.
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IMO these company's need to learn to give us what we want. I want a HDMI out, SD card. If the new Nexus does not have it, I'm not buying it.
There are to many other company's willing to put out a device that has what I want/need, so they will get my business.
Besides, even the new Sero 7 pro does everything I need it do to. Why would I need to buy a new Nexus with a faster processor and better resolution when after all, it's just a 7 inch tablet, not a PC. Once it got to the point where HD movies and games played without pausing or stuttering, what's the point of a faster processor?
I'll get the next on when/if my 32g dies! Not before.
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No. I don't really even want a tablet anymore after my bittersweet relationship with the n7.
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Been thinking about it myself. If they have HDMI or MHL out, I'm sold.
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Probably SlimPort, or at least I hope it is since I already have one for me N4.
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I will be. I held off on getting the first gen for too long since my xoom has been more than adequate. I am getting antsy though and would like the smaller format for outside the house.
Probably not, my nexus 7 is fine for now, and when I get a new tablet is probably going to be a Galaxy note.
Touchwiz is meh, but that spen on my phone has sold me, i love to do art work with it.
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I was thinking about getting one. But after Staples lowered the price of the 16GB to $149 out the door I just had to get it. I could careless about a camera and SD slot so the original nexus is perfect for me...
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The lack of tablet apps kind of discourage me to get the next n7...
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Am I the only one that thinks tablet apps look like crap on 7" tablets in portrait mode? On a 10" tablet, sure they are great...but that is because you use them in landscape. 7" portrait is just too cramped IMO. I am OK with the lack of true tablet apps on the play store.....once I get a nexis 10 my view WILL change though.
Also, depending on what the current nexus 7 is going for around here I might pick it up. Extra power, double ram, and higher re screen would be awesome.
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I for sure will get the next nexus 7, either that or the next nexus 10, not sure there, but I love the size of the 7 , but mine has screenlift real bad and is laggy and slow (original 16gb) so it sits around collecting dust
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