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A few weeks ago, i misplaced my Z1 in a public shopping mall table... i think...
...anyways, I'm on T-Mobile USA.
When I first got the phone in September, T-Mobile offered me insurance on the phone.
I went ahead and did a claim, and they said they couldn't get me the z1, and that the closest thing they have ( in price and what not) would be a Note 3.
They sent that to me, they unlocked it, and i sold it...
Dilemma began.... buy another z1? wait for Z1s? Could not do that because their bootloaders are not unlock-able
So what did I do? I saved some money and went ahead with a white 32gb nexus 5 while a friend of mine went ahead and actually bought the Z1s yesterday , and HERE are my first impressions of the differences between the two....
Nexus 5 over the Z1(c6903 and z1s):
Brighter, better screen with better viewing angles
Stock android software
Smaller size, fits easier in hand
Optical image stabilization (opinion)
Easier to root, hack etc.but then again its a nexus and it SHOULD have that
Lighter than the Z1
Messaging app on Z1 STILL does not implement group MMS, but you could always use hangouts ( not a big deal for some)
Sony Z1 over Nexus 5:
Z1 Has a premium feel to it, it feels like you are holding an expensive phone, at least when compared to the nexus 5
Z1 has a bigger battery, I was able to go through a full day of HEAVY usage with it, cannot do this with the Nexus
Z1 is waterproof, dustproof and you can use the camera underwater
Z1 has a microSD card slot in addition to the 16GB (or 32gb for the Z1s) of internal storage
the Z1s has a STRONGER ANTENNA THAN THE NEXUS 5, therefore allowing for better and faster data coverage and better voice quality (On T-Mobile USA)
the Z1 is faster even though the NExus is clocked at a higher speed, tested this with browser tests, game load times etc...
How do i know this? I placed the Z1S side by side with my Nexus 5, verified that they were connected to the same tower on LTE, and di some tests...
the Nexus 5 gave me 2 bars of signal, while the Z1s had Full bars, speedtest.net San Jose,CA gave Z1 ~23megabits down , Nexus 5 around 12 megabits down. Same server, phones side by side.
That part made me think about the decision I made. I Knew about all the other pros and cons of getting the Nexus, and I knew the Z1 kills it in benchmarks and what not but that does not really matter to me
The cellular reception part bothers me. I've always considered the nexus 5 to be a "different" phone, not worse than the Z1.
I can now say that the Z1 is overall a better phone.
Its faster, snappier, and feeds more power to its antenna I'm guessing?
Now i Will stick with my Nexus until the next sony flagship
Don't lose your Z1. If you do, buy another one.
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A few weeks ago, i misplaced my Z1 in a public shopping mall table... i think...
...anyways, I'm on T-Mobile USA.
When I first got the phone in September, T-Mobile offered me insurance on the phone.
I went ahead and did a claim, and they said they couldn't get me the z1, and that the closest thing they have ( in price and what not) would be a Note 3.
They sent that to me, they unlocked it, and i sold it...
Dilemma began.... buy another z1? wait for Z1s? Could not do that because their bootloaders are not unlock-able
So what did I do? I saved some money and went ahead with a white 32gb nexus 5 while a friend of mine went ahead and actually bought the Z1s yesterday , and HERE are my first impressions of the differences between the two....
Nexus 5 over the Z1(c6903 and z1s):
Brighter, better screen with better viewing angles
Stock android software
Smaller size, fits easier in hand
Optical image stabilization (opinion)
Easier to root, hack etc.but then again its a nexus and it SHOULD have that
Lighter than the Z1
Messaging app on Z1 STILL does not implement group MMS, but you could always use hangouts ( not a big deal for some)
Sony Z1 over Nexus 5:
Z1 Has a premium feel to it, it feels like you are holding an expensive phone, at least when compared to the nexus 5
Z1 has a bigger battery, I was able to go through a full day of HEAVY usage with it, cannot do this with the Nexus
Z1 is waterproof, dustproof and you can use the camera underwater
Z1 has a microSD card slot in addition to the 16GB (or 32gb for the Z1s) of internal storage
the Z1s has a STRONGER ANTENNA THAN THE NEXUS 5, therefore allowing for better and faster data coverage and better voice quality (On T-Mobile USA)
the Z1 is faster even though the NExus is clocked at a higher speed, tested this with browser tests, game load times etc...
How do i know this? I placed the Z1S side by side with my Nexus 5, verified that they were connected to the same tower on LTE, and di some tests...
the Nexus 5 gave me 2 bars of signal, while the Z1s had Full bars, speedtest.net San Jose,CA gave Z1 ~23megabits down , Nexus 5 around 12 megabits down. Same server, phones side by side.
That part made me think about the decision I made. I Knew about all the other pros and cons of getting the Nexus, and I knew the Z1 kills it in benchmarks and what not but that does not really matter to me
The cellular reception part bothers me. I've always considered the nexus 5 to be a "different" phone, not worse than the Z1.
I can now say that the Z1 is overall a better phone.
Its faster, snappier, and feeds more power to its antenna I'm guessing?
Now i Will stick with my Nexus until the next sony flagship
Don't lose your Z1. If you do, buy another one.
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Lesson learnt, always go for the Z1.
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I have a nokia lumia 521 but I can't choose between the z1s or N5. I want to tweak my phone but cell reception is very important for me because where I live the reception sucks.
AK4TAY7BEN said:
I have a nokia lumia 521 but I can't choose between the z1s or N5. I want to tweak my phone but cell reception is very important for me because where I live the reception sucks.
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Hopefully if enough people buy the Z1s, development will speed up. Feel free to ask me any differences between the two
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Hopefully if enough people buy the Z1s, development will speed up. Feel free to ask me any differences between the two
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Well the thing is I'm building a new computer and would like to get into development and theming myself. I know the nexus 5 is a great phone for developers but I would also like the phone to be practical for everyday use. I wish I could just get both... Anyways is the reception on the z1s that much better than on the n5? On my 521 it takes forever to send picture messages and to receive them.
Can you get actual db differences between the.and post here?would really like to see some hard numbers on signal vs bars.
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I will do that later tonight or tomorrow yes on the db
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stealthj said:
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A few weeks ago, i misplaced my Z1 in a public shopping mall table... i think...
...anyways, I'm on T-Mobile USA.
When I first got the phone in September, T-Mobile offered me insurance on the phone.
I went ahead and did a claim, and they said they couldn't get me the z1, and that the closest thing they have ( in price and what not) would be a Note 3.
They sent that to me, they unlocked it, and i sold it...
Dilemma began.... buy another z1? wait for Z1s? Could not do that because their bootloaders are not unlock-able
So what did I do? I saved some money and went ahead with a white 32gb nexus 5 while a friend of mine went ahead and actually bought the Z1s yesterday , and HERE are my first impressions of the differences between the two....
Nexus 5 over the Z1(c6903 and z1s):
Brighter, better screen with better viewing angles
Stock android software
Smaller size, fits easier in hand
Optical image stabilization (opinion)
Easier to root, hack etc.but then again its a nexus and it SHOULD have that
Lighter than the Z1
Messaging app on Z1 STILL does not implement group MMS, but you could always use hangouts ( not a big deal for some)
Sony Z1 over Nexus 5:
Z1 Has a premium feel to it, it feels like you are holding an expensive phone, at least when compared to the nexus 5
Z1 has a bigger battery, I was able to go through a full day of HEAVY usage with it, cannot do this with the Nexus
Z1 is waterproof, dustproof and you can use the camera underwater
Z1 has a microSD card slot in addition to the 16GB (or 32gb for the Z1s) of internal storage
the Z1s has a STRONGER ANTENNA THAN THE NEXUS 5, therefore allowing for better and faster data coverage and better voice quality (On T-Mobile USA)
the Z1 is faster even though the NExus is clocked at a higher speed, tested this with browser tests, game load times etc...
How do i know this? I placed the Z1S side by side with my Nexus 5, verified that they were connected to the same tower on LTE, and di some tests...
the Nexus 5 gave me 2 bars of signal, while the Z1s had Full bars, speedtest.net San Jose,CA gave Z1 ~23megabits down , Nexus 5 around 12 megabits down. Same server, phones side by side.
That part made me think about the decision I made. I Knew about all the other pros and cons of getting the Nexus, and I knew the Z1 kills it in benchmarks and what not but that does not really matter to me
The cellular reception part bothers me. I've always considered the nexus 5 to be a "different" phone, not worse than the Z1.
I can now say that the Z1 is overall a better phone.
Its faster, snappier, and feeds more power to its antenna I'm guessing?
Now i Will stick with my Nexus until the next sony flagship
Don't lose your Z1. If you do, buy another one.
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Lovely research.... deserves a thanks... Brought a Z1
I can testified to this, I've put my GS4 and z1s side by side. On my GS4 I only get one bar LTE and on my Z1s I get three bar LTE in my store where the signal sux.
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Yup, signal and battery.... sucks
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Well. The z3 looks very nice is thinner than the z2 and also lighter. That's the major difference. Design. Software and camera is almost identical as performance too. Display on the z3 I think is slightly better but not 100% sure. The z2 display is good too. Camera is the same thing. With a two or three new features mostly the downloadable apps for the camera. Battery it is better on the z3 the z2 is not bad. So I decided to sell it. I might get the z3 compact I don't think is worth it unless u love the design and the ps4 feature. Which is not out yet. Grrrr I couldn't test that.
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ajftl said:
Well. The z3 looks very nice is thinker than three z2 and also lighter. That's the major difference. Design. Software and camera is almost identical as performance too. Display on the z3 I think is slightly better but not 100% sure. The z2 display is good too. Camera is the same thing. With a two or three new features mostly the downloadable apps for the camera. Battery it is better on the z3 the z2 is not bad. So I decided to sell it. I might get the z3 compact I don't think is worth it unless u love the design and the ps4 feature. Which is not out yet. Grrrr I couldn't test that.
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Agree! Small update over Z2. With 4.4.4 Z2's battery performace will be as good as Z3.
And if Z2 gets good update to 4.4.4 (at it definitely will), differences will be even harder to see
But, as we said few times already - Z3 isn't here for Z2 users.
It's aiming to Z and Z1 users...
The fact that both devices are mirror images of themselves was known the day the specs of the z3 got confirmed.
Most of the differences are software based and that will narrow significantly once the z2 gets updated.
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Good thing I went with the Z2 three weeks ago, I saved 150 euro ?
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Jiyeon90 said:
Good thing I went with the Z2 three weeks ago, I saved 150 euro ?
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I wouldn't really say dats a good thing. Z2 price will drop. If I was going to buy a phone right now, I will be getting the Z3. But as I have the Z2 now, NO!
stanley08 said:
I wouldn't really say dats a good thing. Z2 price will drop. If I was going to buy a phone right now, I will be getting the Z3. But as I have the Z2 now, NO!
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What he was trying to say is that he prefers the z2 at €150 less. Makes perfect sense to me. Who wouldn't?
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zodiac100 said:
What he was trying to say is that he prefers the z2 at €150 less. Makes perfect sense to me. Who wouldn't?
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Yh. Is quite a margin i must confess. Tempting really. But here in West Africa, when a newer device comes the older one gets a HUGE price drop and resale value is almost nothing. Well. Speaking from my own point of view. I resell my devices. But anyways, i was never gonna upgrade to the Z3 anyways.. Even Z4 not sure, i want to see what M9 looks like. I think i prefer my devices stay a flagship for a whole year
P.S: You said 'He' but i think it's a lady. Lol.
stanley08 said:
Yh. Is quite a margin i must confess. Tempting really. But here in West Africa, when a newer device comes the older one gets a HUGE price drop and resale value is almost nothing. Well. Speaking from my own point of view. I resell my devices. But anyways, i was never gonna upgrade to the Z3 anyways.. Even Z4 not sure, i want to see what M9 looks like. I think i prefer my devices stay a flagship for a whole year
P.S: You said 'He' but i think it's a lady. Lol.
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I'll second that. I'm no fan of Sony's 6 month nonsense either. It's got me thinking of trying the s6 next year. Don't trust htc on the camera front. Their phones have never had good cameras and that's even before ultrapixels bull****
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zodiac100 said:
I'll second that. I'm no fan of Sony's 6 month nonsense either. It's got me thinking of trying the s6 next year. Don't trust htc on the camera front. Their phones have never had good cameras and that's even before ultrapixels bull****
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Lol. Exactly why I want to see what they have to offer really... But Z4 might be good tho. Oh well... Only time will tell
stanley08 said:
I wouldn't really say dats a good thing. Z2 price will drop. If I was going to buy a phone right now, I will be getting the Z3. But as I have the Z2 now, NO!
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Funny you should say that. I've just bought a new Z2, primarily because the phones were so similar and the Z2 was cheaper. I didn't see any reason to go for the Z3 other than better battery life.
The Z3 has remote play and such like, but that WILL come to the Z2, either by Sony themselves or by some talented individual on these very forums.
I also like the styling of the Z2 better. The Z3 looks too much like the new iphone for my tastes.
Battery life isn't an issue for me because my phone is plugged in every night anyway.
And anyway, it's only six months wait till the Z4.....
Quick Edit - I see by your signature that you have unlocked your bootloader. Have you seen any difference in the Camera or other DRM protected apps since you did it? Also, I take it you backed up your TA? Was it easy to do?
ianrobbie said:
Funny you should say that. I've just bought a new Z2, primarily because the phones were so similar and the Z2 was cheaper. I didn't see any reason to go for the Z3 other than better battery life.
The Z3 has remote play and such like, but that WILL come to the Z2, either by Sony themselves or by some talented individual on these very forums.
I also like the styling of the Z2 better. The Z3 looks too much like the new iphone for my tastes.
Battery life isn't an issue for me because my phone is plugged in every night anyway.
And anyway, it's only six months wait till the Z4.....
Quick Edit - I see by your signature that you have unlocked your bootloader. Have you seen any difference in the Camera or other DRM protected apps since you did it? Also, I take it you backed up your TA? Was it easy to do?
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Unlcoked bootloader, didn't backup TA. Camera is better than HTC M8, I'm not a photographer. So I'm living Happily ever after.
hehehe saved my pocket too! Will stay on Z2 until Z5 which most probably will be a copy of Z4
ianrobbie said:
Funny you should say that. I've just bought a new Z2, primarily because the phones were so similar and the Z2 was cheaper. I didn't see any reason to go for the Z3 other than better battery life.
The Z3 has remote play and such like, but that WILL come to the Z2, either by Sony themselves or by some talented individual on these very forums.
I also like the styling of the Z2 better. The Z3 looks too much like the new iphone for my tastes.
Battery life isn't an issue for me because my phone is plugged in every night anyway.
And anyway, it's only six months wait till the Z4.....
Quick Edit - I see by your signature that you have unlocked your bootloader. Have you seen any difference in the Camera or other DRM protected apps since you did it? Also, I take it you backed up your TA? Was it easy to do?
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There is definitely a difference in picture quality, especially in low light pictures. Backing up the Ta partition is easy though. You just need to root first. Can restore at any time.
I was scared to get the z2 in July not knowing what the z3/next version would be like. I'm glad to hear I didn't make a totally horrible decision.
Does it really give you 2 days battery life?
ajftl said:
Well. The z3 looks very nice is thinner than the z2 and also lighter. That's the major difference. Design. Software and camera is almost identical as performance too. Display on the z3 I think is slightly better but not 100% sure. The z2 display is good too. Camera is the same thing. With a two or three new features mostly the downloadable apps for the camera. Battery it is better on the z3 the z2 is not bad. So I decided to sell it. I might get the z3 compact I don't think is worth it unless u love the design and the ps4 feature. Which is not out yet. Grrrr I couldn't test that.
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Hmm, i disagree. The differences are noticeable, but not enough to get envious of Z3 owners. Source: Wife has one and I set it up for her.
4.4.4 will address the differences in the software. Flashlight on quick settings, many more headphones listed in audio, etc
The screen is brighter and whiter, with precisely the same Nova settings on wife's z3 and my z2, hers is noticeably quicker and responsive - I'd say 10% quicker.
I have to say, I am jealous of the build quality - the covers on the side are recessed a little, so removing the phone from a pouch doesn't dislodge them occasionally.
Once 4.4.4 comes along, I'll be very happy. I bought some STH30 earphones and was disappointed that my z2 doesn't list them. Wife's z3 audio is much clearer than mine with the same headphones. Software no doubt, but she has the STH30 phones listed and it makes the difference somewhere.
The phones are different. In a lot of ways.
MichaelWT said:
Hmm, i disagree. The differences are noticeable, but not enough to get envious of Z3 owners. Source: Wife has one and I set it up for her.
4.4.4 will address the differences in the software. Flashlight on quick settings, many more headphones listed in audio, etc
The screen is brighter and whiter, with precisely the same Nova settings on wife's z3 and my z2, hers is noticeably quicker and responsive - I'd say 10% quicker.
I have to say, I am jealous of the build quality - the covers on the side are recessed a little, so removing the phone from a pouch doesn't dislodge them occasionally.
Once 4.4.4 comes along, I'll be very happy. I bought some STH30 earphones and was disappointed that my z2 doesn't list them. Wife's z3 audio is much clearer than mine with the same headphones. Software no doubt, but she has the STH30 phones listed and it makes the difference somewhere.
The phones are different. In a lot of ways.
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how about the battery performance? is it noticeably better on the z3?
rotsloeh said:
how about the battery performance? is it noticeably better on the z3?
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Z2 and Z3 battery is different too. We both always get 7hrs screen on time, but wife plays *a lot* of games.
Last time we both compared, I was impressed with my 8hrs screen on time (6% batt left) and she was 10% battery up and at 8hrs46 screen on time. Not sure what she did with it those 2 days uptime though, but gaming in there no doubt.
Hope we get the z3 battery algorithms in 4.4.4!
I can't get 8 hours screen on time because if my screen is on, I'm transmitting data. I use my phone only for phone calls or chatting (sending pictures, videos, taking pictures and sharing them, etc). I get about 5-6 hours of screen on time which is just FANTASTIC in my opinion! I'm on the Z2 by the way.
I'm really Disappointed with Z3+ and I believe the Z3 is better because of the following reasons :
1- Z3 screen brightness is markedly stronger (you have to turn off the auto brightness in both of them ).. Even I felt the Z3 Screen is clearer!!
2- The frontal speakers in Z3 are better and louder especially in hard rock for example..
3- the battery life in Z3 is better
4- I'm disappointed with the build quality of Z3+ especially the back glass.. I felt it's even a plastic !!.. the Z3 build quality is noticeably better
5- believe or not.. I use the main camera to take a selfie especially while using 20.7 because the target will be farther in the photo frame (the camera lens is wider) ... and the secondary camera lens of Z3+ in skype or any video calling apps is not wider !! it's the same of Z3 !!.. this is very important for me in video calling apps
SONY what is going on !! please come back to the battle soon !! you are the best !!
Hani88 said:
I'm really Disappointed with Z3+ and I believe the Z3 is better because of the following reasons :
1- Z3 screen brightness is markedly stronger (you have to turn off the auto brightness in both of them ).. Even I felt the Z3 Screen is clearer!!
2- The frontal speakers in Z3 are better and louder especially in hard rock for example..
3- the battery life in Z3 is better
4- I'm disappointed with the build quality of Z3+ especially the back glass.. I felt it's even a plastic !!.. the Z3 build quality is noticeably better
5- believe or not.. I use the main camera to take a selfie especially while using 20.7 because the target will be farther in the photo frame (the camera lens is wider) ... and the secondary camera lens of Z3+ in skype or any video calling apps is not wider !! it's the same of Z3 !!.. this is very important for me in video calling apps
SONY what is going on !! please come back to the battle soon !! you are the best !!
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How about the heating problem?
Belal94 said:
How about the heating problem?
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It's better after the latest update.. I should talk about it but this is a known issue
Z3+, as the name says, was probably not meant for Z3 owners. On top of that, we all know about Sony's two flagships per year policy. At least they called it Z3+. But Z3 itself should have been called Z2 Slim (not even Z2+) lol Z3 was the most underwhelming addition to the Z series.
Coming from a Z2, I found Z3+ as a perfect upgrade. It brought all the jazz Z2 slim ( I mean Z3 ) did along with the upgrades that actually matter - 64 Bit SD810, Adreno 430, DDR4, LDAC, faster LTE Cat 9 (300mbps for now which is still > Z3's 150mbps), 5mp front cam, better rear cam sw. It was quite easy for me to take these over Z3's louder speakers & better battery life.
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Z3+, as the name says, was probably not meant for Z3 owners. On top of that, we all know about Sony's two flagships per year policy. At least they called it Z3+. But Z3 itself should have been called Z2 Slim (not even Z2+) lol Z3 was the most underwhelming addition to the Z series.
Coming from a Z2, I found Z3+ as a perfect upgrade. It brought all the jazz Z2 slim ( I mean Z3 ) did along with the upgrades that actually matter - 64 Bit SD810, Adreno 430, DDR4, LDAC, faster LTE Cat 9 (300mbps for now which is still > Z3's 150mbps), 5mp front cam, better rear cam sw. It was quite easy for me to take these over Z3's louder speakers & better battery life.
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ok but why Sony made the screen and speakers worse in Z3+ ??? it must at least keep them same !!
Hani88 said:
ok but why Sony made the screen and speakers worse in Z3+ ??? it must at least keep them same !!
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Did it ever came to your mind that you are somehow biased by the overall bad reviews? Do you really think you are able to judge without a bias?
Sorry I can't stand this complaining and whining about this device.
It's the same on all new devices. At first there is a big hype, then comes the reality which is behind the expectations. Same thing with the nexus 9 I own and nexus 10 I've owned. Both are great devices, but there was a great amount of people who were talking bull****.
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How about the heating problem?
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addicted1900 said:
Did it ever came to your mind that you are somehow biased by the overall bad reviews? Do you really think you are able to judge without a bias?
Sorry I can't stand this complaining and whining about this device.
It's the same on all new devices. At first there is a big hype, then comes the reality which is behind the expectations. Same thing with the nexus 9 I own and nexus 10 I've owned. Both are great devices, but there was a great amount of people who were talking bull****.
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Read what I wrote slowly and see by yourself in real life while comparing both of them as I said exactly and tell me then..
Only thing that is bull**** on this device is procesor. We must admit that Snapdragon 810 is heating. After update things with heating are better but Sony have to fix laging UI especially when phone is hot. Other than that phone is good. I don't understand why is screen on Z3+ worse than Z3 when screen on Z3 was calibrated to cold sometimes white looks gently blue. You can say what you want but Z3+ has better screen to me. Not to mention better viewing angles on Z3+.
tomo100brt said:
Only thing that is bull**** on this device is procesor. We must admit that Snapdragon 810 is heating. After update things with heating are better but Sony have to fix laging UI especially when phone is hot. Other than that phone is good. I don't understand why is screen on Z3+ worse than Z3 when screen on Z3 was calibrated to cold sometimes white looks gently blue. You can say what you want but Z3+ has better screen to me. Not to mention better viewing angles on Z3+.
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Cold colors issue can be reduced by adding more red in white balance settings
But how to fix the lower brightness ???
Yes, you are right. Brightness can't be fixed. And Z3+ has brighter screen.
tomo100brt said:
Yes, you are right. Brightness can't be fixed. And Z3+ has brighter screen.
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You mean Z3
I gotta throw in my thoughts on this as well.
Have had the Z2, Z3 and now the Z3+. While overheating is no longer a (big) issue after reflash in SBM or PC Companion, I kinda feel like the Z3 was snappier (lagged less), camera launched faster, apps didn't crash as often, battery lasted longer, and charged up faster. And other niggles.. (no root, for instance.. CM12.1 would be blisteringly fast on this thing).
However, I'm confident that these are issues that stem from Sony hastily putting out an unfinished .24 update/5.0.2 update.. not hardware.
Oh, and I actually liked the Z3 matte copper finish better than the more glossy they put on the Z3+.
deecept said:
I gotta throw in my thoughts on this as well.
Have had the Z2, Z3 and now the Z3+. While overheating is no longer a (big) issue after reflash in SBM or PC Companion, I kinda feel like the Z3 was snappier (lagged less), camera launched faster, apps didn't crash as often, battery lasted longer, and charged up faster. And other niggles.. (no root, for instance.. CM12.1 would be blisteringly fast on this thing).
However, I'm confident that these are issues that stem from Sony hastily putting out an unfinished .24 update/5.0.2 update.. not hardware.
Oh, and I actually liked the Z3 matte copper finish better than the more glossy they put on the Z3+.
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Exactly dude
and the speakers ?? I'm really shocked.. Z3 was amazing in music !!!
and about the build quality just knock your finger many times on the back of Z3+ and you feel that's it's plastic !!
why sony whyyyyy???
Hani88 said:
Exactly dude
and the speakers ?? I'm really shocked.. Z3 was amazing in music !!!
and about the build quality just knock your finger many times on the back of Z3+ and you feel that's it's plastic !!
why sony whyyyyy???
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Had to revisit this thread.
During the past week, I did a factory reset on the phone itself (no computer involved). I did this after doing a PC Companion repair phone thingie the week before.
Holy change in response time, Batman!
It's truly back to Z3 standards, and then some! I really really recommend anyone being begrudged over buying the phone to do a full wipe, first with PC Companion and then on the phone it self. Not sure wether it was the one or the other, or the combination.. but everything from battery life, to heat issues, to lagging is -gone-. Speakers might still be bad, don't know, never use them =)
Now, if we only could get a good root...
deecept said:
Had to revisit this thread.
During the past week, I did a factory reset on the phone itself (no computer involved). I did this after doing a PC Companion repair phone thingie the week before.
Holy change in response time, Batman!
It's truly back to Z3 standards, and then some! I really really recommend anyone being begrudged over buying the phone to do a full wipe, first with PC Companion and then on the phone it self. Not sure wether it was the one or the other, or the combination.. but everything from battery life, to heat issues, to lagging is -gone-. Speakers might still be bad, don't know, never use them =)
Now, if we only could get a good root...
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Really? Heat issues are gone too? What about when you use it for GPS navigation or extensive web browsing?
Culex316 said:
Really? Heat issues are gone too? What about when you use it for GPS navigation or extensive web browsing?
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I use GPS (Waze) every morning to work. With OTA update applied it used roughly 20% on the trip to the office, and was HOT when I took it out of the car. After wipe (And rewipe) before today, it used 12% on the same trip. It still gets hot doing it, mind you, but not nearly as hot as it did!
One issue I have found is apps with access to radio (i.e. data signal) keeps it alive (As reported by battery monitoring app), even if the app is dormant. I believe this is a 5.0.2 / .24 issue though, didn't happen on the Z3 I had.
deecept said:
Had to revisit this thread.
During the past week, I did a factory reset on the phone itself (no computer involved). I did this after doing a PC Companion repair phone thingie the week before.
Holy change in response time, Batman!
It's truly back to Z3 standards, and then some! I really really recommend anyone being begrudged over buying the phone to do a full wipe, first with PC Companion and then on the phone it self. Not sure wether it was the one or the other, or the combination.. but everything from battery life, to heat issues, to lagging is -gone-. Speakers might still be bad, don't know, never use them =)
Now, if we only could get a good root...
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But you forgot about the screen brightness
it's not strong as much as Z3
deecept said:
I use GPS (Waze) every morning to work. With OTA update applied it used roughly 20% on the trip to the office, and was HOT when I took it out of the car. After wipe (And rewipe) before today, it used 12% on the same trip. It still gets hot doing it, mind you, but not nearly as hot as it did!
One issue I have found is apps with access to radio (i.e. data signal) keeps it alive (As reported by battery monitoring app), even if the app is dormant. I believe this is a 5.0.2 / .24 issue though, didn't happen on the Z3 I had.
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ohhhh
and even Z3 after 5.1.1 has an over heating problem now... navigating with direct sun .. my Z3 was goona explode !!!
Hani88 said:
But you forgot about the screen brightness
it's not strong as much as Z3
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Can't say I have noticed any difference in screen brightness, though!
Z3 got warm, like my Z3+ does now.. nothing out of the ordinary there
I returned my z3+ two times now. There was a gap between screen and the frame. Poor build quality vs LG G4.
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Must unload this off my chest:
Really wanted to like the Z3 but here is what I think of it right now after few weeks of intensive use:
My Z3 is D6603 stock unrooted running latest firmware 23.4.A.1.232 - after complete factory reset AND software Repair procedure via PCC.
Sony & Google Bloatware disabled: Google News & Weather, Podcast, Xperia Care, Street View, Google Play Books, Google+, Hangouts, Social Live, Talkback, Facebook Xperia, Xperia Lounge, Tweeter, FB Messenger, Instagram and others I must have forgotten. My only IM app is WhatsApp, absolutely no Games on board. I Use Greenify (non-root version) to manually close apps that are not required to run in the background.
1. Lousy LTE signal reception - I had many android phones gone under my hands lately and by far the Z3 has the worst LTE reception - where others had 3-4 bars, the Z3 has none and it falls back to 3G (H/H+)- then (by a known documented bug) it never goes back to LTE/4G even when reception allows it - it just "stuck" with 3G.
2. Lousy GPS reception - Never had such a bad experience with slow ability to lock on signal and even then it tends to disconnect unless you position the phone close to the windshield - any other position in the car and you are faced with disconnecting and lost signal during navigation. Even when navigation software is running (Waze) it is extremely slow in updating position so there is a Lag with updates to Waze - 5 seconds after I took a turn for example, it shows on the map - Making Navigation a horrible experience as I frequently miss the next turn if it's close by.
3. Battery life sucks with Lollipop - I have to believe others who claim that under KitKat it was great. Cruising with Stamina mode ON and screen brightness set to Auto 0% can give you a day with light use with SOT of 6 hours, but anything more straining than this - for example light camera/GPS/Gaming use with 20% Auto brightness and battery drains like mad.
4. Mediocre Camera performance - quality is very disappointing compared to other phones with same/similar or ever lower spec Sony sensor.
5. Low speaker volume - if I want to use it while driving or on a busy street outside - there is no way I can hear the other side of the conversation through the speaker.
6. Low earpiece volume during calls - same as #5 above.
7. Malfunctioning Speakerphone - other side can't here me when I activate speaker phone ! it's not even low volume they complain about - it's horrible garbled noise.
I know that all the above sound/mic/speaker/earpiece issues are not hardware related probably as running Sony's own diagnostics software show that all these components are functioning well.
8. Slow UI speed - lags and unresponsive at times - especially when dialing a contact - it takes several seconds between hitting the contact's name until the dialing action is actually initiated.
9. This is really minor - but flash is extremely weak - cannot use it as flashlight, in camera barely has a 10 inch range and worse of all, when it accidentally turn on - you can hardly tell if not in a dark room so there goes another battery drain.
Enough said so far - I am very disappointed with this Phone - my previous OnePlus One is infinitely much better - (again I am far from being a troll here, I really wanted to like the Z3, I even have a C5 Ultra ready to be tested soon as a replacement and really hope that it will provide a decent performance and make me a Sony fan again):
I can also testify that these other phones that I had the opportunity to extensively test proved to perform much better than my Z3:
Samsung Note 3, LG G3, Xperia Z2, Nexus 6, Note Edge, Samsung S6, Samsung S6 Edge, LG G4, Meizu M2 Note, OnePlus One - all were running stock ROM unrooted. Amazing how even the last too phones which are Chinese brands had much better user experience than my Z3 (not to mention they cost 50% and even 30% of the price of the Z3).
Please advise which ROM to install. as a last resort, before I am forced to get rid of my Z3 ? Again, these are mostly Major issues - I am talking here about signal reception, GPS and simply the ability to carry a phone call - when these are not possible then I have simply no use for a smartphone - no matter how good is the display or the build quality or water resistance.
UPDATE : Z3 Sold ! Thank for your support
Buy another phone then or install a custom rom, you can complain here but no one listen, so send a mail to Sony and bother them because you say only bad things, but my Z3 is just awesome in all points ^^
Have a nice day with another phone
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alon3232 said:
Must unload this off my chest
Really wanted to like the Z3 but here is what I think of it right now after few weeks of intensive use:
1. Lousy LTE signal reception - I had many android phones gone under my hands lately and by far the Z3 has the worst LTE reception - where otjers had 3-4 bars, the Z3 has none and it falls back to 3G (H/H+)
2. Lousy GPS reception - Never had such a bad experience with slow ability to lock on signal and even then it tends to disconnect unless you position the phone close to the windshield - any other position in the car and you are faced with disconnecting and lost signal during navigation.
3. Battery life sucks with Lollipop - I have to believe others who claim that under KitKat it was great
4. Mediocre Camera performance - quality is very disappointing compared to other phones with same/similar Sony sensor
5. Low speaker volume
6. Low earpiece volume during calls
7. Malfunctioning Speakerphone - other side can't here me !
8. Slow UI speed - lags and unresponsive at times
Enough said so far - I am very disappointed with this Phone - my previous OnePlus One is infinitely much better it
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3. Agree.
7. Just with first 5.1.1 build.
Disagree with the rest.
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I've had the Z3 for over a few weeks now running 5.1.1 and my experience so far is quite opposite from yours. For battery, I'm getting a day and a half on normal usage, with some occasional gaming here and there (I'm sure that with KK you can get the 2 days battery like Sony claims, but blame it on Google for that). No problems with speakers, microphone, earpiece and UI (haven't slowed down on me yet). Camera does leave a little to be desired, I agree, but as I'm not much of a phone photographer, it doesn't bother me much. Try doing a repair or downgrading to KK to see if your experience is better, otherwise it's best to get another phone.
From a user of 6 months i have to disagree on all these.
1. LTE Signal is great. My brother has S6, my cousin have One Max, my Z3 picks up LTE like a boss whereas both of them have to access service mode just to get constant LTE. We live in the same house.
2. GPS works fine and accurate with me. Even navigation beta of Google.
3. Battery Life is awesome. Last me 1 day with 40-50% by the end of day and I am a moderate-heavy usage with about 3hrs SOT. I play COC on a regular basis. But I do charge it to 100% before sleeping so the next day I have full batt.
4. Not really using the camera everyday but when I travel, I do, and it takes nice pics. I even loved it more since I am able to use it underwater. I use it even in salt water. Samsung, Apple and HTC can suck on that. People who complain about water damage are just idiots who dont know how to close flaps properly. Or test pressure sensor on Service Menu.
5. Compared to my Cousin's HTC Boomsound of course this is weaker. But my brother's S6? Just no! And the speakers are facing me.
6 and 7. Never experienced any issues with voice calls. Maybe u are using Facebook Messenger for calls. That app really sucks. But on Cellular, everything's fine with me.
8. What??!! I do experience some stuck up like once a month using Apex Launcher but definitely no lag.
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2. GPS is fantastic on the Z3, fastest lock time of all phones I owned so far.
3. In KK, battery was a bit better, but I regularly get 2 days of use with 5+ hrs of SOT.
8. Lags in UI? Where? I don't have any of those.
Looks like a faulty unit or maybe just need a reset. I have never had a difficult GPS lock, neither loss of signal. For the sound I must agree, with lollipop has been lowered to much
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And as a ex-owner of Galaxy Note 3, Xperia Z2 & some days with Note 4 also i have to disgaree most of your points. And i am using Z3 since January 2015. It's a beast
Here's a quick capture of the Z3's GPS performance.
https://youtu.be/G0LVcAvOpnc
You should definitely have bought a replica unit
Does it have MediaTek chipset or something?
I previously owned a oneplus one. The Z3 is far superior.
Try installing the new marshmallow concept ROM. Best battery life since KK.
Guys, how is the increased temperature warning while recording or taking pics? If is a sunny day with 26C i can take like 10 pics and 3 or 4 minutes of video and the camera will shutdown because of the too hot warning. Is that normal?
No problems like you said with my z3,have amazing battery life also
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10+ days battery usage, clear audio, waterproof, sexy design, good enough display. What more can you expect??
Was very happy until i submerged into water. Not even fully submerged, now my camera only shows a white screen. I'm done with Sony. You can't lie about your device just for sales.
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This phone ain't waterproof.
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Was very happy until i submerged into water. Not even fully submerged, now my camera only shows a white screen. I'm done with Sony. You can't lie about your device just for sales.
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This phone ain't waterproof.
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@TrevorAshley
Is your screen replaced ?
Z3 is waterproof, i call under the shower and swim alot with it and no water damage for sure.
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Pandemic said:
@TrevorAshley
Is your screen replaced ?
Z3 is waterproof, i call under the shower and swim alot with it and no water damage for sure.
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I've read many people have the same problem. Some people's phones completely dead. Check on Google
Just got my factory unlocked Z3 today in a sale and I read that under the Latest .264 update, the volumes and audio are supposed to be improved and increased and the camera has had an update..
Can anyone confirm this..
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I've read many people have the same problem. Some people's phones completely dead. Check on Google
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I think you were unlucky. I often wash my phone and will fully submerge it but I always make sure the phone seal is intact by checking internal pressure first.
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I have to agree about the contact dialog / phone app. I'm having to use root + xposed mod to keep the phone app from being closed in the background, otherwise it takes bloody ages to bring up the dialler and actually call somebody. Kitkat was all round better for performance and battery for Z3. My old HTC wildfire still performs better in phonecalls.
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Z was released 3 years ago, still usable but its always nice to have a new phone, me myself would probably wait for mine to be completely dead before replacing it, but i was wondering what would everyone get if they are gonna to replace their Z right now, OCT 2016?
tbh the Z is a very disappointing phone, after owning many sony phones i wont be buying from them again, or any flagship phones for that matter. i think the Zenfone 3 or Oneplus3 would be a great and cheap option right now, and i am asking for your opinion/suggestion
I bought a Xperia Z2 after my Z. The Z belongs now to my wife and after 3 years it's still rocking.
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ymc1988 said:
Z was released 3 years ago, still usable but its always nice to have a new phone, me myself would probably wait for mine to be completely dead before replacing it, but i was wondering what would everyone get if they are gonna to replace their Z right now, OCT 2016?
tbh the Z is a very disappointing phone, after owning many sony phones i wont be buying from them again, or any flagship phones for that matter. i think the Zenfone 3 or Oneplus3 would be a great and cheap option right now, and i am asking for your opinion/suggestion
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zuk z2 pro with 6g ram and snapdragon 820,
le pro3 with 6g ram and snapdragon 821,
xiaomi 5s plus with 6g ram and snapdragon 821.
I just ordered Nexus 5x, im moving from sony after 7 years using it[random sony phones]
None - I currently own 2 6603, just transfering the primary one to Resurraction Remix after 1/2 year testing on the secondary one. And Nougat will come from the same source. There is no real reason anymore for a new gadget - as long as the current one is supported here.
I upgraded to the T-Mobile LG G Stylo that I got used, via a local Facebook "yard sale" group, for $100 with some accessories.
The only thing I really miss is USB OTG, so I still use my Zperia Z for OTG with my SDR receivers (RTL-SDR, SDRPlay) and my FLIR One Thermal imaging camera.
I love the larger 5.7" screen, and the phone's not really that much bigger, band 12, which gives much better data coverage in many places for me, Marshmallow, better performance, longer battery life and replaceable battery, and more. And it has a stylus, which comes in handy for some web sites that don't have a good phone-friendly (large finger friendly) interface. It also charges quickly, though the Sony was also pretty quick on my higher current chargers.
I wouldn't need the Sony if the LG had OTG. Also, the notification LED is only red, not multi-color like the Z, but that is very minor.
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I just ordered Nexus 5x, im moving from sony after 7 years using it[random sony phones]
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Me too. I bought a Nexus 5x few months ago after using my Z.
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Me too. I bought a Nexus 5x few months ago after using my Z.
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its a great phone, i rlly like it.
I just bought used Xperia Z3 Compact for 120€ and it works fine, i was thinking of xiaomi or other chinese phones but they are too sketchy to buy, so far this was a nice upgrade, especially screen wise
edit: also LG V20 would be a nice phone to have, if it ever comes in my country and price drops, a bit too expensive now
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I just bought used Xperia Z3 Compact for 120€ and it works fine, i was thinking of xiaomi or other chinese phones but they are too sketchy to buy, so far this was a nice upgrade, especially screen wise
edit: also LG V20 would be a nice phone to have, if it ever comes in my country and price drops, a bit too expensive now
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i really wanted to get xiaomi redmi too, their rom and price are very good, too bad they have been caught too many times for sending data back to china. i have read that lots of these chinese devices are used as DDOS attack zombie bots, its a big no no for me
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Me too. I bought a Nexus 5x few months ago after using my Z.
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wow it seems like a great phone, great price and is nexus, too bad its only got 32g tho
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None - I currently own 2 6603, just transfering the primary one to Resurraction Remix after 1/2 year testing on the secondary one. And Nougat will come from the same source. There is no real reason anymore for a new gadget - as long as the current one is supported here.
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why would you get 2 Z brother, the screen is crap, the lag is horrible, the charging is slow etc.
got a LG G3 (with fulmics rom)
for the price it's awesome.
I cannot get ENOUGH of Xperia Z,
recently bought Z5P so I am using Z for people / contacts from WORK and using Z5p as my movies/social netowork phone.
Trivia both are rooted
Xperia z c660x is UB running on @shoey63 kernel having doubletap to wake feature! the fone is just amazing!!! it can be showcased as CLASSIC smartphones like we count nokia3310 as basic mobile phone , even after 3+years the mobile runs smoothly! , <3
ymc1988 said:
why would you get 2 Z brother, the screen is crap, the lag is horrible, the charging is slow etc.
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Easy answer: I am using the phone for navigation on my motorcycle. The second one is just a backup if something goes wrong during long trips. This happend once on my 3500 km trip to Russia this June and I was happy to have the second phone at hand - And I do like the screen, the phone works perfect with CM13 resurraction remix - no lags, just cheaper to keep this good running phone (got the second one used for 70€ ~ 80$US)
Come on - I am a physicist - and I have learned from experience: Never touch a running system - and my XZ is running smoothly
PS: with the current ROM my XZs support fast charging as well...probably I will not try this - I prefer non exploding Sony to Samsung
Z5c design with SD820 and XZ-like camera
ohh.. it's just in my dream
I think I'll go for XZ
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Easy answer: I am using the phone for navigation on my motorcycle. The second one is just a backup if something goes wrong during long trips. This happend once on my 3500 km trip to Russia this June and I was happy to have the second phone at hand - And I do like the screen, the phone works perfect with CM13 resurraction remix - no lags, just cheaper to keep this good running phone (got the second one used for 70€ ~ 80$US)
Come on - I am a physicist - and I have learned from experience: Never touch a running system - and my XZ is running smoothly
PS: with the current ROM my XZs support fast charging as well...probably I will not try this - I prefer non exploding Sony to Samsung
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haha i remember one day the speaker stopped working for some reason, i cant take phone calls all day, made me so mad and almost smashed the phone.
iirc the screen of Z is worse than any phone at the market at the time, i remember it was even worst than the then year old xperia v and mid range xperia phones, washed up colors, terrible viewing angle, terrible battery drain to name a few. idk maybe the screen resolution/cpu speed/battery wasnt ready at that point, i'd rather have 720 resolution and a smooth phone. i remember i was devastated finding out i cant play old games like GTA VC on this expensive premium phone
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haha i remember one day the speaker stopped working for some reason, i cant take phone calls all day, made me so mad and almost smashed the phone.
iirc the screen of Z is worse than any phone at the market at the time, i remember it was even worst than the then year old xperia v and mid range xperia phones, washed up colors, terrible viewing angle, terrible battery drain to name a few. idk maybe the screen resolution/cpu speed/battery wasnt ready at that point, i'd rather have 720 resolution and a smooth phone. i remember i was devastated finding out i cant play old games like GTA VC on this expensive premium phone
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Mine can play GTA SA smoothly
I got an iphone 6S and i am still using my Xperia Z as my work phone.
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i am actually now happy with iphone 6S but was wondering if anyone could team up with me to try and install iOS on xperia Z i have a feeling that it would be able to handle iOS without any problems as such. What are your opinions?
Mi5 S or Xperia XZ
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