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Should I keep this or go for the Xperia T?

I really wanna like this phone. The amazing screen, working GPS, the fact its endorsed by Google, always the latest updates. Well i'm sure I don't have to tell everyone here why to love this phone.
But then theres the glass back... poor battery... the size of it! I come from a samsung s2 and thats 4.02 from what i know. And this Nexus sure is big compared to that... having owned a Note 1 I never wanted to go big again! Thats why i'm wondering about the Xperia T. Its a much smaller upgrade over the S2 but the phone is smaller too. And i'm not really sure how unlockable it is even though I think Sony's android stuff is pretty good.
Thoughts people?!

I would not change this phone for Xperia T. It's downgrade in every aspect. I've had it before N4. The screen viewing angles and blacks are terrible and it was creaking after a week. Terrible build quality.
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Are you mad? Downgrade in absolutely every aspect. Not to mention Sony sucks big time when it comes to upgrading OS. I had Note1 before and I think N4 is small in comparison.
You'd be doing yourself a big disservice.

My other half had an Xperia T. It has a better camera than the N4 but the N4 is better in every other way including battery life.

For me the battery has been good. I usually get around 3-4 hrs screen time on. I`m on stock and unrooted. I don't want to root because when I had the epic 4g, I always wanted to have stock. And the closest thing was Cyanognemod which rocks! The best thing about this phone is that your always going to have fast updates and no carrier bloatware or skins.
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N4 to enhance your life, have state of the art device, and XDA support!

Xperia T is way worse than the N4. I also believe that it will cost more.
Sony's upgrade policy regarding "old" phones is awful. I had my Xperia Ion, which was one of the very first line-ups of the new Sony brand. Was waiting for Android 4.1.2 in june while Xperia T had it, and 4.2.2 had been out since november. I switched to my N4 then, and was happy forever.
Now that Xperia Z and his little/big brothers are out, Xperia T is just old compared to it. So don't expect further upgrading from Sony, except minor updates (which don't come often)

First of all I would say the nexus 4 is better and you should keep it and if you still want a smaller phone with bigger battery life I recommend Xperia SP it has a bigger battery than nexus 4 and is smaller at 4.6 inch and it has a good camera and you can get it for the price of nexus 4
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Well I've decided to keep it. Its only slightly bigger then any other phone I would pick and the battery seems to be the same as my GS2. So yay for me on owning a nexus bring on the 4.3 goodness!

Servaas said:
Well I've decided to keep it. Its only slightly bigger then any other phone I would pick and the battery seems to be the same as my GS2. So yay for me on owning a nexus bring on the 4.3 goodness!
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4.3 is bringing better battery life anyway (Or at least that's what I have seen running the leak... I got 2 more hours SOT then when I ran franco, UVed and everything)

Servaas said:
I really wanna like this phone. The amazing screen, working GPS, the fact its endorsed by Google, always the latest updates. Well i'm sure I don't have to tell everyone here why to love this phone.
But then theres the glass back... poor battery... the size of it! I come from a samsung s2 and thats 4.02 from what i know. And this Nexus sure is big compared to that... having owned a Note 1 I never wanted to go big again! Thats why i'm wondering about the Xperia T. Its a much smaller upgrade over the S2 but the phone is smaller too. And i'm not really sure how unlockable it is even though I think Sony's android stuff is pretty good.
Thoughts people?!
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The size isn't hard to get used too. I came from a Galaxy Ace with a 3.5" screen, way smaller than the Nexus 4 and I was able to adapt in like one day.
Why should the glass back be a big deal? Treat your device with a little respect and don't drop it or throw it around. It's not as weak as you think and many drop tests have proven as such. If you really need to have your phone in-hand 24/7 for some reason, buy a case...
The battery isn't poor, people just like to whine. I've now owned mine for several weeks, using Bluetooth and WiFi very frequently and I can go from 10AM in the morning to midnight and still have over 30% charge left, with about 3 hours of screen time. Granted I don't use data, but even if you do it's pretty easy to turn off when you aren't using it.

I have the nexus 4 but I reckon the xperia v would be the better choice to get. I've compared xperia t and v to my nexus 4 and I came to like Sonys simple interface combined with a better camera and superior build quality. Xperia V fits perfectly in the palm of your hand and is really light in comparison to Nexus 4. Xperia V is pretty much an xperia z but the smaller version with less internal storage and it has LTE.
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t-mobile z1s faster internet speeds on t-mobile network?

does t-mobile z1s have faster internet speeds on t-mobile network? Besides the 24/month easiness, is there any benefit of getting the Z1s instead of Z1 and just using it on T-mobile?

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does t-mobile z1s have faster internet speeds on t-mobile network? Besides the 24/month easiness, is there any benefit of getting the Z1s instead of Z1 and just using it on T-mobile?
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I have Z1 (C6903) running on T-Mobile. I do get LTE. But if you run custom rom, the receiver does get echo effect using handset. When I use bluetooth headset, the echo effect is not there.

Running the SpeedTest.net app from Ookla I tested my speed multiple times at Denver inside the airport today. My averages:
Ping: 27 ms
Download speed: 20.4 MBPS
Upload speed: 10.1 MBPS
Compared to what I was getting on the Galaxy S 2 Hercules (SGH-T989), I'm nearly double what I was pulling before.

marksee said:
does t-mobile z1s have faster internet speeds on t-mobile network? Besides the 24/month easiness, is there any benefit of getting the Z1s instead of Z1 and just using it on T-mobile?
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I have a Z ultra on tmobile and I actually get better LTE speeds on it than I got on the Z1s :-/
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I had read somewhere that the z1s supports some bands that were up and coming from Big T. So while it may not be faster yet, it maybe soon enough
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On my z1s the max I've got was 20mb down and about 8 up
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I average around 20 mb, my highest is 55mb and I've hit 30mb or more many times. I'm in the DFW area.
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I average 35 MBPS download & 25 MBPS upload via Ookla speedtest here in Boston, MA :good:

The Z1s does in fact have better antennae than the Z! for a fact, the connection is better, more leveled/consistent, and as such, it saves battery life. The download speeds equate BUT only after the Z1 catches up to the Z1s. Sometimes the Z1 speed slows down a tad bit.) It's not significant in my experience!
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I own both devices and here are my thoughts:
(1) The signal on the Z1s is superb. In areas where i get 2-3 signal bars on the Z1, the Z1s give 5 bars.
(2) Battery life is the best i've seen on any Sony Smartphone. It's also better than the Note 3 and G2 (from my hands on experience) I get about nearly 2 days of battery life with 7+ hours of screen time and hard use. (video calls, video games, FB, What'sapp) -- Teh Z1 will give about 1 & 1/4 Day with 5+ hour screen time
(3) The screen doesn't compare to the Z1. It's more washed out and has less blacks - you have to use white balance settings -- this helps a little.
(4) The build of the Z1s is a joke. it's plastic and not glass and aluminium like the Z1. The flaps don't rotate fully. If over rotated, the flaps will break.
(5) The redesign for the phone body has it's set backs i.e. shifting headphones to the middle and switching the micro SD with the charging port . T-mobile the retailer for the US has a monopoly on phone cases. only they have the cases that fit. none of my Z caes fit the Z1s.
(6) The Notification Light is poorly built. Depending on what angle you are looking the color of the Light changes (i.e. the circle that the LED lights are in allows for all the different colors to show. e.g. when charging and on orange - -the green and red LED shows at the corner. Also note that the LED is not in the speaker.
(7) The Z1s is lighter than the Z1 and has a less premium feel
(8) The Z1S has 16gbs more memory
(9) Z1s has different partitions and as such, getting into the device for rooting etc. is difficult even though kernel source is available)
Aside from battery life on the Z1s, it fails to exceed the Z1. in my opinion. I prefer the Z1. It's better built all accessories are available for the Z1 but not the Z1s and has much support is available for the Z1. No developer I know owns a Z1s ....Little to no support is available. Finally, all Z1s bootloaders CANNOT be unlocked.
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The Z1s does in fact have better antennae than the Z! for a fact, the connection is better, more leveled/consistent, and as such, it saves battery life. The download speeds equate BUT only after the Z1 catches up to the Z1s. Sometimes the Z1 speed slows down a tad bit.) It's not significant in my experience!
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I own both devices and here are my thoughts:
(1) The signal on the Z1s is superb. In areas where i get 2-3 signal bars on the Z1, the Z1s give 5 bars.
(2) Battery life is the best i've seen on any Sony Smartphone. It's also better than the Note 3 and G2 (from my hands on experience) I get about nearly 2 days of battery life with 7+ hours of screen time and hard use. (video calls, video games, FB, What'sapp) -- Teh Z1 will give about 1 & 1/4 Day with 5+ hour screen time
(3) The screen doesn't compare to the Z1. It's more washed out and has less blacks - you have to use white balance settings -- this helps a little.
(4) The build of the Z1s is a joke. it's plastic and not glass and aluminium like the Z1. The flaps don't rotate fully. If over rotated, the flaps will break.
(5) The redesign for the phone body has it's set backs i.e. shifting headphones to the middle and switching the micro SD with the charging port . T-mobile the retailer for the US has a monopoly on phone cases. only they have the cases that fit. none of my Z caes fit the Z1s.
(6) The Notification Light is poorly built. Depending on what angle you are looking the color of the Light changes (i.e. the circle that the LED lights are in allows for all the different colors to show. e.g. when charging and on orange - -the green and red LED shows at the corner. Also note that the LED is not in the speaker.
(7) The Z1s is lighter than the Z1 and has a less premium feel
(8) The Z1S has 16gbs more memory
(9) Z1s has different partitions and as such, getting into the device for rooting etc. is difficult even though kernel source is available)
Aside from battery life on the Z1s, it fails to exceed the Z1. in my opinion. I prefer the Z1. It's better built all accessories are available for the Z1 but not the Z1s and has much support is available for the Z1. No developer I know owns a Z1s ....Little to no support is available. Finally, all Z1s bootloaders CANNOT be unlocked.
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Yet for those of us who travel extensively around the United States, having the better connection on all frequencies supported by T-Mobile outweighs the loss of build quality and the fewer (for now) case options available. At least Zagg has a Z1s specific InvisibleShield; they've yet to make one for the Z1, so the lack of a full cover case can be offset somewhat by that. Also, using the magnetic charger on the Z1s negates the need for constantly opening the USB slot cover, so the rotation limitations can be overcome.
Testing today at Denver airport is showing averages of 25 MBPS down and 15 up. Maybe the incoming snow yesterday affected tower response?

Good point about travelling, except, that's not the case. the bandwidths are the same. so if you are in range of a t-mobile tower, you'll get connection, it's just that z1s connects a second faster and seemingly at a stronger signal. i haven't been any where (in the 3 states I travel) and lost signal with the z1 and not the z1s. i've done a few none elaborate tests.
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Yet for those of us who travel extensively around the United States, having the better connection on all frequencies supported by T-Mobile outweighs the loss of build quality and the fewer (for now) case options available. At least Zagg has a Z1s specific InvisibleShield; they've yet to make one for the Z1, so the lack of a full cover case can be offset somewhat by that. Also, using the magnetic charger on the Z1s negates the need for constantly opening the USB slot cover, so the rotation limitations can be overcome.
Testing today at Denver airport is showing averages of 25 MBPS down and 15 up. Maybe the incoming snow yesterday affected tower response?
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Why did you choose Xperia Z2?

Hi all, refer to the above let's discuss why you choose xperia z2 compare with others device.
is it because the design, Spec, price, sony fans or others.
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Simply because it's the best flagship on the market at the moment.

S5 sucked balls. It will be Z2 unless HTC suprises us with a monster in about 1 month.
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Just saw ARTICLE about new IPS screen and Sony finally have great and quality product.
I'm completely satisfied with my Z1 but if I get some interesting offer (like I got for Z1) I'll definitely try it.
Why?
Because, now, Z1 is ultimate device and Sony just upgraded it
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Because the Z2 is the best on the market just now, S5 rom is 8Gb compared to the Z2's 4Gb, plus Z2 has way more excellent specs. I don't care that Samsung maybe releasing a 64bit S5 later this year as I think it is too early for me to get into 64 bit phones just now; as infrastructure etc is not in place yet i.e. app devs have yet to jump on board. That is my opinion anyway...

Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.

I had a Z, ZL and now Z1. Logical to have a Z2 next.
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Lost faith in Samsung with there handling of s3 updates plus had problems with them regarding other Samsung products. Been a fan of sony for a while now and its coming close to my phone upgrade and the Z2 currently looks like it. I have a few months to go so plenty of time to judge the competition and see what negatives might crop up about the z2.
As long as root is easily gained with minimal drawback Ill most likely be picking up the z2.
Plus the specs of this phone do look pretty good to me

Bigger battery, nicer look, wanted something that wasn't made by Samsung for once.
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Eye friendly...
I am one of the small amount percentage of population who seems to suffer from LED's displays... Sony triluminos display tech, seems to be benign on our eyes. At least sony Vaio Pro 13 and flip are better displays... This issue has years... Hope Z2 is really eye friendly to me too...
Seems spectrum of light of triluminos technology is more balanced. Not a huge blue spike on spectrum...
Here you could see a thread talking on LED's:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1677617?start=0&tstart=0
My HTC One is killing my eyes...
Cheers...

xz2
because of this past year i cannot trust Sony easily!
i love to buy Xperia Z2 IF all thing about display & ... be right!
if no two quality of display!
sharp display! jdc! OR all story like those!
It s ok if sony s using different company for display supplying BUT not different quality from each company.
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My first phone was the Motorola RAZR V3i and have been a loyal user since then with Moto Droid & Moto RAZR... just loved the premium build quality along with excellent specs. Beauty with brains! Loved the design of Xperia Z & Z1 but was hesitant to switch due to the screen quality as I'm spoiled by AMOLED on my RAZR.
But the Z2 seems like the only phone to be awesome inside & out with no drawbacks to give me second thoughts why not to buy it... (Size was a little concern but I can live with that)

It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.

bigbrown said:
It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.
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I also want to see what htc will bring to the table. I doubt it can match sony. Also would need a case since you can't get protection on the alu back.
I don't really see a need for 64 bit systems. What do you see 64 bit bring? Do phones need a new OS to match it? Will support for old systems stop?

We might not need it in the consumer space, but it's one of those things where if you can get it as a little to no-cost option, why not? I can envision a bunch of enterprise use cases like big data analytics and data visualization, not to mention phones/phablets/tablets with > 4gb of ram etc

I'm currently on a htc one x, my contract has 2 weeks on it, so I started looking. The galaxy s5 is a massive fail in my eyes, and I'm just getting bored with HTC. As soon as a saw a leak of sense 6 I knew I'd be bored. I'm going to miss BlinkFeed, but the look of the Z2 and the specs, plus noise cancelling and stereo speakers, as well as the camera (going on a once in a lifetime holiday in August), coupled with an sd card slot and waterproofing (11 pools in the resort), I think it'd be a crime not to go for the Z2. I am worried about the size a little bit, even tho I have big hands.

I have the HTC one and have very little complaints about it and the 2014 version looks promissing but that panel that used to have the capacitive buttons on it is still there but now it's just a logo. Idk why they would keep that. I hate wasted space and big bezels and I think the Z2 once I get Cyanogenmod running on it would be amazing

because the first android phone that i used was sony
sony phones are great in price , support in my country and dev's are supporting them great
and the most important one because sony phones are blazing fast and their software is useful and they don't have useless futures that only make your phone slower and they will eat your ram as hell
thats why i decided to buy sony z2

I love the design,
I love the software,
I love the camera,
I love the build quality,
I love the bigger battery,
I love front facing speakers,
And 3gb of Ram which the s5 don't have (besides I got the note 3, I dont need any more Samsung devices for now)
The Z2 and the note 3 will do me for now

mujj said:
Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.
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All of the above + 3GB RAM is what sold me. It should also make this phone relevant for a while. Can't wait for the Z2 to arrive!

Should I wait to buy?

Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks

phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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It seems as if there will also be a z4c.
You might want to wait for that, but if you fancy a good camera Sony phones wouldn't be something for you.
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Dsteppa said:
It seems as if there will also be a z4c.
You might want to wait for that, but if you fancy a good camera Sony phones wouldn't be something for you.
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Generally speaking I'm not quite sure how much the price of the z3c will fall with the introduction of the z4c.
However I'm curious about the overall performance of the phone: Do you think it is worth the buy?
And what is more, I've seen there is quite a struggle with the bootloader and with developers, but with official CM nightlies this should be fine, right?

Jkay7 said:
Generally speaking I'm not quite sure how much the price of the z3c will fall with the introduction of the z4c.
However I'm curious about the overall performance of the phone: Do you think it is worth the buy?
And what is more, I've seen there is quite a struggle with the bootloader and with developers, but with official CM nightlies this should be fine, right?
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The price won't fall THAT much, but the recent price drop could be because of that.
The phone is still worth to buy for sure as for bootloader problems, they should be history now.

There is no real evidence of a z4 compact being released anytime soon. For now, pretend like it doesn't exist and get whatever phone you want. Besides, the rumors indicate the phone will only be a marginal upgrade: newer processor and increased screen resolution.
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phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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This is just my opinion and I don't intend to talk trash about Sony phones but I'm gonna just tell you like it is.
Just so you know, I'm in IT field (Windows) and I have a comprehensive knowledge about PC hardware tech. Since I switched to android from iPhone about 2.5 years ago, I had bought quite a few phones that included 3 Sony phones.
- ZR with overheat problem even only on browsing the internet with Chrome and very poor quality display (made with TFT) => RETURNED with 15% restocking fee.
- ZL Same poor quality TFT display => I ended up gave it to my sis.
- Z3C made with IPS but with poor touch panel. Annoying touch pattern grids are visible. IPS display quality of the Z3C is well below average even compared to the iPhone 4's. Camera is mediocre at best but all the hype makes me really look down on Sony - the only company who created TA partition just to put their crappy softwares on it and tied the bootloader with it. Not that I give a rat ass about losing its DRM functions, it's just that errors pop up here and there when I unlock the bootloader.
My other 2 Android phones are the Nexus 5 and LG Optimus E970. These 2 phones' displays are superb. I wish the Z3C has the same display quality as those 2. I love its size and battery performance but Sony mobile display sucks big time. Don't get me started on Sony bloatwares (2 ecosystems on 1 device is a joke).
I have many Sony devices in my home (laptop, bluray player, tv...) but when it comes to Sony phones, I'm sure next time I'll pass.
I bought my Z3C for $520 USD. It's still 99.99% new. I would sell it to you for $300 USD if you live in my area (I wouldn't buy it even for $300 though)

Some of the cheaper Z3C listings in the US are for the D5833 overseas model. Be careful with this version, as it will suffer from limited 4G compatibility in the States.

phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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I have a D5803 running stock 5.0.2 and I'm very happy with the device.
It's compact, fast and battery lasts for 2 days minimum (if you don't play games).
The user interface is simple, fast and close to AOSP look&feel .
I saw no reason to hack the phone with custom ROMs or mods, since I found it to be VERY stable and basically everything works.
If you plan to heavily customize your phone, be ready to face some obstacles mainly due to the fact that Lolipop is quite new on this phone and mods are not yet perfect (although they are improving). I've gone that route before with previous phones, and usually the outcome is that you get some visual adaptations to your taste, but in fact the overall stability/performance will be worst.
Some may argue that the camera software could be better, and I tend to agree. But you will be able to take good pictures, if you use some manual settings.
In my experience, Bluetooth/NFC works very well with different gadgets/systems: hi-fi, Pebble watch, BT headphones (even using aptX), car system, ...
I haven't tested audio high-res external DACs, but some users report some devices are tricky to interface well using Lolipop. Other report their device works. Basic audio play is quite good if you have good headphones and choose the right eq settings.
Some users report the glass may crack due to overheating, and I saw many friends with other phones (like Samsung) suffering from the same issue. Mine is in perfect condition and I hope it stays that way.
In summary: I'm very happy with my gadget and I wouldn't change it for anything out there with similar form factor. And although Lolipop 5.0.2 is not perfect, I got used to it and don't see a reason to go back to KK. And 5.1 will certainly come...
Is there a perfect smartphone (hw+sw+UX+price) ? No, but in my opinion this one is a good step forward.
Oh, and if you don't want to fiddle around with connectivity issues, be sure to buy the phone that maps to your geography and operator (D5803 vs D5833) and use a ROM that was built for it.

z4c would defiantly be a "want to have" but at a premium price point, that's why i picked z3c and i got a great deal. In my eyes it's the best phone on the marked atm. If you exclude all the minitablets which i have 0 interest in.

I am in the same position as the OP.
I had some android devices (nexus s, gnexus, htc incredible s, nexus4, htc one m7), right now I have no smartphone.
Z3C seems the "right choice" except for a couple things:
1) Price: here in Portugal the lowest is 400eur. For that price you can also have: htc desire eye, galaxy s5, and a lot of other non-waterproof phones with better cameras and better screens, but also worse battery.
The Z1C is 100eur cheaper.
2) Camera: it seems that sony camera is not on pair with others, even with everyone saying that is software the truth is that nobody solved it.
3) Sudden death: there are some cases (see sony's forum) of sudden death phones.
4) Cracked glass: this I don't know if is hype or not.I had a nexus 5 and people said that it broken by itself but mine only broke by hitting the floor.
I guess that if the Z4C brings the Snappdragon 810 it won't be very good because of overheating and throttling...
Only option is to wait.

Thanks for the replies.
For me the Z3C choice comes down to physical size.
I want a smaller phone but good specs, and as far as I can see there is no competition in the Android sphere (happy to be proved wrong).
I'll be keeping the phone pretty much stock until I need to start tinkering, so mods are not a problem for me currently.
I suspect the Z3C will have OS support for longer than the Z1C so that may make the £100 difference worth paying.

phoneowner71 said:
Thanks for the replies.
For me the Z3C choice comes down to physical size.
I want a smaller phone but good specs, and as far as I can see there is no competition in the Android sphere (happy to be proved wrong).
I'll be keeping the phone pretty much stock until I need to start tinkering, so mods are not a problem for me currently.
I suspect .com/2015/04/22/sony-xperia-z4-compact-e5803-z4ultra-e6683-e6883-certification-details/"]http://www.whatsontech.com/2015/04/22/sony-xperia-z4the Z3C will have OS support for longer than the Z1C so that may make the £100 difference worth paying.
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http://www.whatsontech-compact-e5803-z4ultra-e6683-e6883-certification-details/
Z4c and Z4U are real coming and they already passed the certification process with the model number being leaked out. I guess they will out on Sep.
But if you are speaking for the battery life, Z3c with s801 and 720p will be much better. All I can think is Z4c will improve the camera software further(and also fixed the Z3/Z3c red/green/purple tint issue) and upgraded to FHD screen. I've got a Z1c, if you want a cheaper phone to wait Z4c then Z1c is still doing good. If you want battery life for all then go for Z3c now.

6p or Z5 Premium?

pre-ordered 128 gig 6p Aluminum. But just came across these 2 videos of Z5p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XgzQcwaHEg (IS OFF)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7JNUZEvd_A (IS ON)
I take more photos than videos and I am now really torn between 6p and z5p. Both have brilliant battery life. 6p has dev and OS upgrade benefits. But z5p looks like it might have better camera. I really hope in terms of pictures the 6p is same level as z5p (if I am not wrong the IS of z5p is software based).
Coming from a droid turbo user both the devices will be a massive massive upgrade for the camera. I really like the design of the 6p (yes more than the z5p) and the dev support in terms of rooting and software update is a huge upside but at the same time the camera is also important for me. Storage is not too big a deal for me. I have the unlimited net pack and besides 128gig on 6p is more than enough. For z5 too I have my old 64gig card. Its mainly down to battery (battery is pretty much similar in both) and camera.
What do you guys think?

This is exactly the question I a struggling with. Love the Nexus dev support, but great camera and 4k seems appealing to me. I am waiting for the time being....

Interesting. But I don't think the XDA Nexus Development can be overcome!

It's a tough one, I wouldn't get the Z5 but have an S6. I love the look of the N6P but the camera would essentially be a down grade from the S6. The dev support for the Nexus is massive whilst the S6 is essentially locked down. Such a tough choice, if only they put a better Camera with OIS in the N6P I'd be sold.
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"If only they'd put a better camera" lol
For real? It's not even out yet properly and you guys have written it off
Its put just below the s6 camera on a professional website, the s6 camera is boss as well
Let's give it a chance guys.
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For the price that I saw there's no way I'd go with the z5p. 955 is just ridiculous lol. I'll stick with the 1440p screen, Faster updates, and more devs
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The questions are definitely becoming more difficult. Between the Z5 premium and the LG V10, I'm considering cancelling my 6P order and getting some hands on time with the devices. I like pure android, but I don't flash a ton of ROM's anymore. It's not like the improvements are that vast in current ROM's that I need to flash something every week, and after doing it several times a week for like 6 years it gets old and I basically just want a phone that works out of the box now. The lack of true OIS in the 6P has me on the fence. Love the rest of it, though.

i could careless about stabilization..never have been a fan of sony phones..the only good thing about their phones is their camera

You could always sell your Nexus 6P if it's not up to your standards. From what I am reading and hearing, it seems that the cameras on both Nexus are going to be good. I think you made the right choice purchasing a 6P, only reason I didn't get it is because I wanted a smaller phone, this thing is as tall as the nexus 6 and has a smaller screen, too big for my preference. Nexus 5X was just a let down to me due to specs, so I'll wait on reviews on it.

When buying a Sony phone, remember what you're getting with it - lack of support. There is a forum on xda with cross platform support, but it seldom supports the latest Sony phone because they release so many of them. I owned a Z3+ very briefly and absolutely loved it! But there was no root, and not much support because people were still figuring out the regular Z3. The Z3+ wasn't too much of a jump from the Z3, so not many people purchased it, and as a result - not much support for it. The Z5 might be different since it's garnered a lot of attention with its new camera and display, but that has yet to be seen. Also remember the fact that Sony does allow bootloader unlocking, but you lose DRM keys without any backups, and that's a pain in the ass.
This may be silly, but what made me pull the trigger on the 6P over the Z5P was the fact that you could place your finger on the scanner of the 6P and it'll wake up and turn your phone on. With the Z5P, you have to actually press the power button. Sounds very silly, but it's a bit impractical at times to have to do that. One reason to consider the Z5P would be the micro SD slot compatibility, as it definitely supports it whereas the 6P does not; but even the highest end 128GB model of the 6P is $200+ cheaper than the Z5P, so there's that too.
IMO, you can't go wrong either way. Sony's UI is very vanilla Android like, and the premium feel of their Z phones cannot be denied. But I enjoy frequent updates and a fingerprint scanner on the back that's a bit more practical. The camera has yet to be tested, but it's not that big of a deal for me since I don't record many videos. To each his/her own though.