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[Q] 4.2 rooted or 4.4 update?

So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...

scottiemedic said:
So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...
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I own both an I337 and an M919 and, given the flexibility of the M919, I was able to try both official and leaked 4.4 TW releases mainly for the I9505. Based on those experiences I would say take the update. 4.4 update should be noticeably faster.
In regard to keeping root, I'm hoping SuperSu Pro's Survival mode works.

I'd say go with the update if you don't care about root. The only problem is Knox is more locked down, also more bloat/crap ware on the new update. I do love the camera on the lockscreen, plus the album artwork on the lock screen is a big + for me. I don't know if art is implemented into the gs4 but it does make a difference but the only thing is, is that most apps are not optimized for it yet.
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So should I revert the few changes I have done? IE, I've killed startup apps with ES Task Manager and (obviously) disabled the software update checker.

I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.

As far as experience goes, I say wait and keep your options open. I like the freedom of a clean rom, free from bloat and clutter of apps that i dont use. Not to mention a battery life that exceeds far beyond a regular un-rooted device. Visit the numerous threads of other people's experiences. I'm rooted and have been able to try out different rooms from 4.2 to 4.4. Accepting an ota will unroot your device without anyway of reverting back. Good luck with your decision.
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aiwapro said:
I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.
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If you're on the not locked down version, then you shouldn't take the update. It will lock your bootloader and that device will never see an AOSP ROM again. You should wait for something like StockUp to be updated to the new 4.4 or use any of the many other 4.4 ROMs available. If you really want to get one with the stock update and locked bootloaders, I'm sure someone would love to trade.

aiwapro said:
I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.
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We were able to get the MK2 tar files rather quickly after the OTA release and will hopefully be able to get the 4.4 tars just as quickly. If that's the case you will be able to flash all partitions, except the bootloader, to run the 4.4 ROM and keep your unlocked bootloader. I would not give up the unlocked bootloader if I were you.

scottiemedic said:
So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...
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Sounds like you are not someone that really uses or needs root like us flashaholics. I love having complete control over my devices. The extraordinary battery life, increased performance, extra capabilities like tethering and so forth. If I want to delete an un-wanted app or service ( At&t navigator anyone) or try a new rom I can. With a stock rom with locked boot loaders (really an oxymoron for "open source" Android isn't it?) you have what you get, like it or not. It's sad they load these awesome devices up with so much performance killing bloat ware. It's like buying a new corvette & then attaching a loaded u-haul trailer to it. What's the point of having it if you can't use it as intended? Anyway my 2 cents worth. Choose your path wisely grasshopper, as there's no turning back.

Hello everyone!
I have been thinking about getting myself one of these lovely phones but after reading what y'all have been saying about the locked bootloader I'm not sure I want to... I won't be able to actually get a phone until next week so I'm assuming it will come already pre-loaded with this update??
I would like to be able to root this phone just like I did my old ET4G from Sprint... would this be an option if I was to get one next week?
Just an FYI I will be on the AT&T network.
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crazy_dragonlady said:
Hello everyone!
I have been thinking about getting myself one of these lovely phones but after reading what y'all have been saying about the locked bootloader I'm not sure I want to... I won't be able to actually get a phone until next week so I'm assuming it will come already pre-loaded with this update??
I would like to be able to root this phone just like I did my old ET4G from Sprint... would this be an option if I was to get one next week?
Just an FYI I will be on the AT&T network.
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Get a nexus 5. You'll love it
Sent from my Nexus 5

jd1639 said:
Get a nexus 5. You'll love it
Sent from my Nexus 5
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AT&T doesn't offer that phone... unless I'm just not seeing it LOL

crazy_dragonlady said:
AT&T doesn't offer that phone... unless I'm just not seeing it LOL
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They don't but it works fine on att. Very easy to root and mod. No locked bootloader.
Sent from my Nexus 5

John The Rhino said:
Sounds like you are not someone that really uses or needs root like us flashaholics. I love having complete control over my devices. The extraordinary battery life, increased performance, extra capabilities like tethering and so forth. If I want to delete an un-wanted app or service ( At&t navigator anyone) or try a new rom I can. With a stock rom with locked boot loaders (really an oxymoron for "open source" Android isn't it?) you have what you get, like it or not. It's sad they load these awesome devices up with so much performance killing bloat ware. It's like buying a new corvette & then attaching a loaded u-haul trailer to it. What's the point of having it if you can't use it as intended? Anyway my 2 cents worth. Choose your path wisely grasshopper, as there's no turning back.
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I guess I've just never gotten any real good info on WHAT my rooted GS4 can do. I'd love to extend battery life and tether, but without really knowing all the possible downfalls, I've never pulled the trigger on like system apps, bloatware, etc. You know of a good resource for slightly technical people with clear definitions of what certain programs do and what can and can't be deleted?
I think at the time I rooted (I'm a MF3 S4), there was no 'unrooting' or flashing to stock, and therefore have been reluctant. I know I don't spend enough time on here learning, my 5 and 2 year old suck all my extra time away.
I'd love to maximize my phone to it's greater abilities, just overwhelmed I guess on where to start as I'm perfectly happy on 4.2 (I owned 3 iPhones before getting this one, so I have limited Android experience, but I recently also got an ASUS TF300 and rooted and ROMed my Kindle Fire almost 2 years ago to CM9).

scottiemedic said:
I guess I've just never gotten any real good info on WHAT my rooted GS4 can do. I'd love to extend battery life and tether, but without really knowing all the possible downfalls, I've never pulled the trigger on like system apps, bloatware, etc. You know of a good resource for slightly technical people with clear definitions of what certain programs do and what can and can't be deleted?
I think at the time I rooted (I'm a MF3 S4), there was no 'unrooting' or flashing to stock, and therefore have been reluctant. I know I don't spend enough time on here learning, my 5 and 2 year old suck all my extra time away.
I'd love to maximize my phone to it's greater abilities, just overwhelmed I guess on where to start as I'm perfectly happy on 4.2 (I owned 3 iPhones before getting this one, so I have limited Android experience, but I recently also got an ASUS TF300 and rooted and ROMed my Kindle Fire almost 2 years ago to CM9).
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Hey man, no worries. The reality is I would much rather play with my kids (if I had any) than an electronic device. So it's nice to know your priorities are right. There's few picture worthy moments we get from our phones, but kids provide such memories constantly. For everyday use, stock is fine & was for me for a little while. You are doing the right thing by waiting until you know more before you do something wrong & brick your phone. This is the place where you can learn how to root, install Safestrap recovery & flash incredible custom rom on your mf3 S4 when you are ready.

Questions regarding the Note 4

Hello XDA!
I'm about to purchase a note 4 tomorrow from Wind mobile here in Canada. I would have preferred the nexus 6 but its just not available with wind as of yet.
So my questions regarding the note 4 are:
1) The Note 4 variant would be SM-N910W8, will it allow rooting?
2) Does Samsung allow unlocking the bootloader to install custom roms or is just a root sufficient to do that.
3) I've heard of something called knox, and how it will trigger once you root the note 4. Will this have any adverse effects on app functionality such as tap2pay etc..? I know the warranty will be void, but if something goes wrong with the device its a 50/50 chance of getting it repaired replaced.
4) My reason of preference for the N6 was stock android, is there a ROM currently that is AOSP based?
5) Is there a specific thread i can go to find roms for my variant?
5) Is there a way to return back to a virgin note 4 (unrooted, stock ROM)? And even when that is done, will knox still reflect the trigger as 0x1?
6) Lastly, i havent been much of a fan of samsung because i felt they were pushing out "cheap phones" And i must admit, ever since they came with the metal band with their alpha and note 4. Ive taken a great liking to them. So my question (I do only expect general replies) , How are you guys/girls liking your note 4 so far?
Thanks in advanced!
(P.S sorry if some of the questions are stupid, i researched and dug around as much as i can but couldnt find definitive answers)

Rooting restriction is carrier based. Some carriers lock down from rooting, others dont.
Knox is a one way trip. Once tripped it stays that way. It is effectively a fuse.
Had my N4 for two weeks and am loving it. Came from a rooted S4. Not really missing root that much. Wish I could still turn GPS on and off with Tasker and wish I had better access to the SD card. Not big deals though. There is another thread here about non-rooted solutions to many things people want root for.
Might become more an issue in a couple years if Samsung/Verizon fails to do timely updates.
Best advice to new N4 users is learn to use the S Pen. It is what makes the N4 stand out.
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1. No it doesnt allow rooting. get a 910U - so far it seems the least hassle.
2. no rooting.
3. yes once you try to root your warranty is void. for all purposes assume you will never get root. then again, you dont need root. in fact having no root and knox is much better. you can have a dual personality phone which works very well.
4. irrelevant. if you get the note 4 expect to run factory.
5. no. you cant have root.
6. you need a full case to hold it. its a thin glass panel. ive got an iblason armorbox for it. also would recommend buying the wireless back and wireless chargers. cables are too much of a hassle on this phone.

My recommendation would be little biased towards Samsung given my last four phones were all galaxy. I never had to root Note 3 but I rooted Note 4 in few days of owning it. Google must have thought let's give some punch to Samsung by disabling write access to external SD giving excuse of security as Samsung is the only high end phone manufacturer that still has it. And one of the most used function that was very important to me was copying files off network share to SD which no longer worked. Only for this I rooted.
I buy Note series not for amoled or big screen or good battery life or running AOSPs. I buy for SPen. I snap, print screen, doodle and write catchy text and share, adds that special touch. And that Microsoft One Note supported inking in android, I am loving it even more.
Note 4

Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated!
While it seems most of you use the note 4 for its main purpose of being a multitasking phone. I on the other end just need the good camera, screen and battery. Everything else is gimmicks (for me atleast). However, this opinion of mine could be due to the fact that ive never owned a note before.
I did see some guides of being able to root the SM-N910W8 with CF auto root, as well as a way of bringing devices back to stock as i can see form this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/ref-stock-firmware-kernel-modem-recovery-t2920452
Now, is that really the case or is there somehting im not seeing?

you can NEVER bring it back to stock. the efuse blows once you root. Do NOT root a note 4 until youre familiar enough with knox to make the choice

By stock i dont mean resetting the knox fuse. I mean, if I am on a cusotm rom, i can bring it back to stock for warranty purposes (which I know after the knox fuse is blown, is a hit and miss)
So my question still stands, will I be able to root my phone based on the thread i mentioned above and be able to return it to stock afterwards, or is there something im not seeing there.

qwertyman007 said:
Hello XDA!
I'm about to purchase a note 4 tomorrow from Wind mobile here in Canada. I would have preferred the nexus 6 but its just not available with wind as of yet.
So my questions regarding the note 4 are:
1) The Note 4 variant would be SM-N910W8, will it allow rooting?
2) Does Samsung allow unlocking the bootloader to install custom roms or is just a root sufficient to do that.
3) I've heard of something called knox, and how it will trigger once you root the note 4. Will this have any adverse effects on app functionality such as tap2pay etc..? I know the warranty will be void, but if something goes wrong with the device its a 50/50 chance of getting it repaired replaced.
4) My reason of preference for the N6 was stock android, is there a ROM currently that is AOSP based?
5) Is there a specific thread i can go to find roms for my variant?
5) Is there a way to return back to a virgin note 4 (unrooted, stock ROM)? And even when that is done, will knox still reflect the trigger as 0x1?
6) Lastly, i havent been much of a fan of samsung because i felt they were pushing out "cheap phones" And i must admit, ever since they came with the metal band with their alpha and note 4. Ive taken a great liking to them. So my question (I do only expect general replies) , How are you guys/girls liking your note 4 so far?
Thanks in advanced!
(P.S sorry if some of the questions are stupid, i researched and dug around as much as i can but couldnt find definitive answers)
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I have a Note 4 with Bell so to answer your questions:
1) Yes. This is true for all Canadian carriers AFAIK.
2,4) Should be sufficient with just a root. I haven't been around for a week so I haven't caught up on new developments yet. I didn't see much in the way of AOSP last I looked.
3) This I can't answer but I know for example there is an XPosed module that will allow applications like GOOD to continue to work even with KNOX tripped/removed.
5) The W8 is similar to the 910T. I'm actually running DynamicKat with the KTNote4 Kernel. When you install DK part of the install script checks if your phone is a 910T or a 910W8 and installs the correct kernel. I had an issue with my initial flash of it bootlooping but I used the Stockish kernel from twistedumbrella that I had flashed when I still running stock rooted and backed up the boot image so I restored that boot image and it booted, then I flashed KTNote4 myself. Check here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/development and here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/orig-development for roms/kernels.
6) Yes you can just flash a stock rom (should be floating around somewhere) but Knox will still be tripped.
7) Overall I'm absolutely loving it. I came from an S3 that I was running CM11 on with KT's kernel (seriously, his kernels are amazing!) and I liked it for a really long time but it started to get really sluggish and it just can't handle multitasking the way I'd like it. I do still notice slow downs, and the phone does still get pretty hot sometimes, but that's the price you pay for multi-tasking. KTs kernel certainly isn't perfected (granted I'm on a build from 2 weeks ago) and sometimes it will randomly reboot and bootloop at the splash screen but once I clear cache it boots right up. Usually only does this once it's been pretty hot for a while. I love the multitasking windows, that's exactly what I want. The one thing that threw me off the most was the DPI. It's a big phone, I don't need everything on it to be gigantic. So I did end up using the XPosed module App Settings to scale the DPI down to 480 from 640. There are a couple quirks when doing that, like the task switcher is smaller (since it was designed for 640 DPI) and there are a couple apps that you have to set back to 640 as well like the camera but you can always fix those as you find them.
I'm a firm believer that Android is a dev's playground. I could not use this phone happily without root. In fact, I rooted it the same night I got it within a couple hours. I bought the phone outright since I would have had to change my plan if I wanted to early upgrade and my plan is too good to do that. Happy modding!

Just use Autoinput. Can trigger GPS.
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Has Samsung promised 5.1.1 official update for Note 3?

Has Samsung announced publicly that they will upgrade Note 3 to 5.1.1 or that they will NOT do it?
Or is it all still up in the air and we have to guess what they'll do with the rest of the official Note firmware updates?
I'm aware of AOSP/CM 5.1.1 builds for Note 3, but I'm interested in the 5.1.1 Samsung official Touchwiz ROM future.
Anybody found any info / roadmap on this?

No word yet. It's been confirmed for the Note 4, Note Edge and S5, but nothing yet on the Note 3 and S4.
Samsung knows the 5.0 firmware for the Note 3 is severely broken, so they might choose to update the Note 3 to 5.1, but they might also stick to Google's 18 months/2 major updates contract and drop support for the device.
Given that they don't seem to give a **** about Note users anymore, the latter seems the most likely. They want to force us all onto the S6 Edge +.

LOL! How is 5.0 "severely broken" for Note 3?
Anyway, to OP, no, Samsung hasn't officially announced anything yet, but I believe 5.1 will come for our phones, probably in couple of months time.

devilsdouble said:
LOL! How is 5.0 "severely broken" for Note 3?
Anyway, to OP, no, Samsung hasn't officially announced anything yet, but I believe 5.1 will come for our phones, probably in couple of months time.
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Aside from the memory leaks, errors, bluetooth connectivity issues, wifi issues and battery drains?
Oh no, it's absolutely perfect. Everyone is just lying about it, that's all.
I mean, we totally don't get about 8 people a day asking us to revert their devices back to 4.4, we're just making those figures up. That's what providers and tech support people do, right?
Or did anyone really think the several months delay for the larger versions (BTU, DBT, XEF) were because Samsung forgot? No, it's because 5.0 had a lot of bugs Google left in that Samsung couldn't get fixed.
(Okay, okay, I'll stop. I should probably just go to sleep, my sarcasm seems to be overloading. :laugh: I've been up for 72 hours straight, I think my brain has simply dropped all functions besides its basic survival instinct, which in my case appears to be comprised almost entirely of sarcasm. No offense meant, I am merely quite severely sleep deprived :laugh: :angel: (Also, I just noticed, on Tapatalk that emoticon is just hilarious. It's pink! Hihihihiihihihihi... :laugh: )
5.0 is the Vista of the Android world. Hopefully 5.1 will be better, though I doubt it.
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Android 5.0 for the NOTE 3 is rubbish. Since the update i have multiple lag problems with my note 3 but the most severe is the bluetooth connectivity problems. I can`t use my smartwatches (Moto 360 and Pebble Time) anymore. They drop connection all day long, unable to reconnect, android wear saying connecting .... or displays that my Moto 360 is connected but it is not !
Android 5.0 made my life hell. My phone still thinks that is connected to my car stereo when is not, in a prone call i have to manually disable bluetooth when i leave my car so i can speak.
On Android 4.4.4 bluetooth was working perfectly. Now i`m searching a way to downgrade to Android 4.4.4 ...

ShadowLea said:
Aside from the memory leaks, errors, bluetooth connectivity issues, wifi issues and battery drains?
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Are you sure you are using 5.0 for Samsung on your Note 3, or probably on something else? :laugh:
Anyway, jokes aside, really?
Memory leaks? What's that? I am dumb. Please enlighten me.
Errors? What errors?
Bluetooth connectivity? I use BT for around 6-8 hours a day, and not once my BT got disconnected!
WiFi issues? I download 3-4 GB from my phone, EVERY DAY. WiFi doesn't disconnect, not once. I however manually power off my router once every 3 or 4 days so that my ISP doesn't start to monitor my otherwise high usage at a stretch.
Battery drains? As I have said a hundred times before, battery life is much better in LP than it was on KK!
Are you sure you are not trolling?

is not just not working. I have never rooted my phone, only installed OTA updates. Android 5.0 is the worst. Tried everything, including wipe data/full reset, wipe cache, format SD card, the same bluetooth issues. Can`t use my Pebble Time .....

While it's not as bad as ShadowLea described, I do get occasional battery drains, a dreaded Camera and Gallery lag and heating up/throttling while playing intensive games (Such problems were not present in Kitkat). While the Lollipop update brought some interesting features and new much needed visual improvements the phone for me performs worse than Kitkat (but it's not that bad). Now will I downgrade? Of course not (add the fact that I don't know how xD). Let's hope that we get the 5.1.1 update or even Marshmallow (Though knowing Samsung that's a bit far fetched =P)

Just downgraded my Note 3 to Android 4.4.2 this morning. So far my Pebble Time works like a dream, no more dropped connection, no more unable cu connect, all bluetooth issues are gone.
Because i never rooted my Note 3 and downgraded to stock firmware, the downgrade process was pretty simple using ODIN.

Let's not make this "is 5.0.x" good/bad - thread. Some are having issues. Some are not. Some would like to have 5.1.1 with stagefright and other patches, regardless.
The question is: will Samsung deliver 5.1.1 (or later) for Note 3 or or will they not honour their "2 years of updates" or not. If they will. I think I'm done with Samsung for a while (esp. with Note 5 being what it is).

Yeah, Samsung made a special 5.0 ROM for me only, which doesn't give anywhere near as problems as mentioned above!
Some people just like bashing TouchWiz, however I thought those were kidzzzz only, but until now. Then they switch to some other third class OEM, get tired and come back to Samsung, and then they keep their mouth shut. That's how it generally goes.

There's no need to be so arrogant. If you're satisfied with how your phone works, doesn't mean that software works flawlessly, especially on other devices that you couldn't see. There may be some failed upgrades, software conflicts, or rare race conditions that prevent some users from enjoying their Note 3 devices.
Fortunately my experience with 5.0 on Note 3 is much better than with 5.0 on Nexus 10.
Still I couldn't see any mention of >5.0 upgrade for Note 3, which is a bit sad, especially when there are exploits out there, and it'll soon be 2 years old.

I found this post claiming 5.1.1 is coming to Note 3 according to Samsung UK. However, I'd take it with a grain of salt, as August is almost gone, still no 5.1.1 not even news about release and often the local offices in Europe do not know the final details about what the Korean giant had decided.
Galaxy Note 3 receives the Android 5.1.1 update soon
http://www.androidstandard.com/galaxy-note-3-neo-will-get-android-lollipop-soon/
Hope springs eternal...

Anturaju93 said:
Android 5.0 for the NOTE 3 is rubbish. Since the update i have multiple lag problems with my note 3 but the most severe is the bluetooth connectivity problems. I can`t use my smartwatches (Moto 360 and Pebble Time) anymore. They drop connection all day long, unable to reconnect, android wear saying connecting .... or displays that my Moto 360 is connected but it is not !
Android 5.0 made my life hell. My phone still thinks that is connected to my car stereo when is not, in a prone call i have to manually disable bluetooth when i leave my car so i can speak.
On Android 4.4.4 bluetooth was working perfectly. Now i`m searching a way to downgrade to Android 4.4.4 ...
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facing exactly the same problem , flashed back to 4.4. , but then i lost interest in smartwatch , so upgraded again to 5.0
5.0 is relatively beautiful , but recent apps take alot of time to appear and close ,,thas what bugging me

devilsdouble said:
Are you sure you are using 5.0 for Samsung on your Note 3, or probably on something else? :laugh:
Anyway, jokes aside, really?
Memory leaks? What's that? I am dumb. Please enlighten me.
Errors? What errors?
Bluetooth connectivity? I use BT for around 6-8 hours a day, and not once my BT got disconnected!
WiFi issues? I download 3-4 GB from my phone, EVERY DAY. WiFi doesn't disconnect, not once. I however manually power off my router once every 3 or 4 days so that my ISP doesn't start to monitor my otherwise high usage at a stretch.
Battery drains? As I have said a hundred times before, battery life is much better in LP than it was on KK!
Are you sure you are not trolling?
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I do not troll. I have never understood what the point of trolling is. What do people find so appealing about it?
I'm simply speaking from the experience of getting far, far too many reports of problems with 5.0. That, and the fact that Samsung themselves have, repeatedly, admitted that 5.0 is extremely flawed. If the lads at Samsung's dev department tell you 5.0 is broken, it's broken.
Have I updated? Hell no. Absolutely bloody not. 5.0 has white menus, that's a no-go for me. Besides, NB7 works perfectly for me (7+ hours screen-on time!). I'm a great fan of the "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" principle.
Memory leaks are when apps use more memory than they should. So when an app that normaly uses only 50MB RAM is suddenly using 900MB RAM, when there's nothing it actually needs it for.
Wait, your ISP has a problem with 4GB a day? That's... wow. I average about 700GB a month on my laptop alone.
Not every Bluetooth connection has problems. Older Bluetooth protocols have problems, some newer ones work fine. (This is a problem from Google, not Touchwiz. Unless Nexus devices run TW these days )
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Yeah, Samsung made a special 5.0 ROM for me only, which doesn't give anywhere near as problems as mentioned above!
Some people just like bashing TouchWiz, however I thought those were kidzzzz only, but until now. Then they switch to some other third class OEM, get tired and come back to Samsung, and then they keep their mouth shut. That's how it generally goes.
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Unfortunatelly, the experience of one does not equal the experience of all. If you don't have issues doesn't mean nobody else does. (Although I am very glad for you that yours works flawlessly! )
I do not bash TW. Hello, I'm on pure 100% stock. That'd be a bit hypocritical. TW works fine, it's Android 5.0 itself that is broken.
It doesn't just affect Samsung, 5.0 is malfunctioning on all devices.
http://www.xda-developers.com/lollipop-memory-leak-fixed/
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=79729
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/4...4-battery-drain-forced-reboots-app-issues.htm
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=165558
http://www.zdnet.com/article/android-lollipop-users-warn-of-unusable-devices-after-upgrading/
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/nexus/to2BHjmhh-I/6vO3-W8z9nYJ
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/5...reezing-apps-battery-drain-forced-reboots.htm
http://news.softpedia.com/news/LG-G...fter-Android-5-0-Lollipop-Update-482137.shtml
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/05...-issues-are-mostly-googles-fault-not-samsung/
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/...axy_note_4battery_drain_forced_reboots_app_i/

LOL! All the articles are more than three four months old! Maybe there was some memory management issues on early LP releases, but that doesn't count. I don't see much problem (if any at all!) with apps closing/ restarting upon going back into them. I use a six year old Sony GV435 BT headset, LOL!
And as I said, Samsung didn't make a special ROM for me, nor I am the person who just runs a dull device without any kind of modifications! I talk half an hour a day, more mostly, with BT connected, I keep at least a dozen apps open in background, the phone is running for 18 straight days now! So as long as Samsung didn't make a special ROM me those mentioned problems/ bugs are terribly exaggerated. 50 MB app is taking 900 MB in LP. Nah, I sure don't know what trolling is, my DNA lacks that, but I am getting a sense of what trolling is, because when you are around trolls, some effects will be unknowingly pushed into oneself.

Hassaan Shahid said:
facing exactly the same problem , flashed back to 4.4. , but then i lost interest in smartwatch , so upgraded again to 5.0
5.0 is relatively beautiful , but recent apps take alot of time to appear and close ,,thas what bugging me
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All bluetooth devices are affected, i was having problems even with my car stereo... I spent 500 EURO for my smartwatches so i want to use then.
I do like Android 5.0 and i like to keep my devices up to date, but in an working condition :good:

Anturaju93 said:
All bluetooth devices are affected, i was having problems even with my car stereo... I spent 500 EURO for my smartwatches so i want to use then.
I do like Android 5.0 and i like to keep my devices up to date, but in an working condition :good:
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Yeah, then you report those problems in Google's community, not here. If there any problems with Lollipop then it is Google's problem, not Samsung's.

Google fixed problems in 5.1.1 this is why we wait news from Samsung. If lollipop is latest update for note 3, they should fix all the bugs.

new micro updates are coming this month to fix the problems, this was samsung replay

Bootloader Unlocking Advantages?

I have never unlocked a device bootloader before so I am trying to get a little more knowledgeable on the topic. For this device, other than allowing it to be rooted, what advantages are there to unlocking the bootloader? Does it make the device harder to brick? Obviously it allows the installation of custom ROMS. For those that want to keep it stock, but want to root, is there any advantages to them having an unlocked bootloader? Thanks in advance for any advice.

For myself, its a no brainer. I use the xposed framework for minor tweaks and mods on the stock build. And just as well, I use titanium backup to remove unwanted system apps that come pre installed, and roll back app updates that I don't see fit. Per ex. If an app updates and has ads or removes features, I usually roll it back. Normally I flash a custom ROM and kernel, but this phone performs so well stock, it only needed minor tweaking in my opinion. Just my .02, but I like to be in control of a device I spend my hard earned money on.
If certain basic options were included in stock, I wouldn't even root, as I really don't need it. Its the simple customization and tweaks that make it all worthwhile.
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In my opinion, an unlocked bootloader is awesome. For the fact that in the off chance that something gets corrupted, you can go into fastboot and flash whatever to try and fix it.
And rooting, as well. Because of all the advantages rooting offers.

siralsmooth said:
For myself, its a no brainer. I use the xposed framework for minor tweaks and mods on the stock build. And just as well, I use titanium backup to remove unwanted system apps that come pre installed, and roll back app updates that I don't see fit. Per ex. If an app updates and has ads or removes features, I usually roll it back. Normally I flash a custom ROM and kernel, but this phone performs so well stock, it only needed minor tweaking in my opinion. Just my .02, but I like to be in control of a device I spend my hard earned money on.
If certain basic options were included in stock, I wouldn't even root, as I really don't need it. Its the simple customization and tweaks that make it all worthwhile.
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In my opinion, an unlocked bootloader is awesome. For the fact that in the off chance that something gets corrupted, you can go into fastboot and flash whatever to try and fix it.
And rooting, as well. Because of all the advantages rooting offers.
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I totally agree with all of that. Before my Moto X arrived I was running a Galaxy S4 rooted with Hyperdrive ROM. I refused to take the Lollipop update because it would kill root and it was not again attainable, except for King Root. King Root is out of China and I'm not even gonna go there as to why I wouldn't use that. The S4 I had didn't have a bootloader that was unlockable so it was Safestrap Recovery with a root exploit that had me gaining control. It's ridiculous to me that we don't have control of our devices anyway. Verizon is terrible, that's why I bought this phone as it is unlockable and rootable on Lollipop, and it's carrier unlocked. So if Verizon ticks me off too much I can jump ship.

Another thing, if Moto voids your warranty due to bootloader unlock, are most folks going with Square Trade for protection purposes? I know Moto says they will still honor your claim if it's a hardware issue not related to software, but should I trust them?

You can always return the device to stock prior to sending it in. Did that with my nexus 6 for the battery issue. Just play it right, you can always say you were going to but never followed through with it. The bootloader screen tells all. Moto isn't Samsung with the flash counter.
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On my previous devices (mostly nexus's) it's a no-brainer, it allows me to use custom ROMs. But on the MXPE, I like the stock ROM and moto features. But I still unlocked in order to get rid of ads, that alone is worth it for me.

The way I see it, a phone is a pocket sized computer. Do you want to be a user or an admin? As a user, you can only do what the manufacturer has loaded on the phone and what they allow you to update. As an admin, you can install Windows 10 or roll it back to Windows 7 if you want. Want to try Linux? Go install it. The sky is the limit if you're the admin. That's sorta how it is to have an unlocked bootloader on a phone. If you're not comfortable changing anything with your phone or restoring it if something goes wrong, leave the bootloader locked.
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You can always return the device to stock prior to sending it in. Did that with my nexus 6 for the battery issue. Just play it right, you can always say you were going to but never followed through with it. The bootloader screen tells all. Moto isn't Samsung with the flash counter.
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Were you able to unlock bootloader without going thru Motorola's process to get the unlock key? If not, they've recorded your serial number as unlocked.

All of the above are excellent points, so I won't rehash them, but the first thing that drives me to unlock and root with every phone and tablet I get, is Ads. Nothing bugs me more than popup ads. Unlock- Root -Adaway!
Also, there is a real sick visceral thrill to doing something stupid, bricking your phone and then suppressing panic to find a fix. When that unit boots back up ready to go - it's not better than sex, but it's pretty good.

mnlerer said:
All of the above are excellent points, so I won't rehash them, but the first thing that drives me to unlock and root with every phone and tablet I get, is Ads. Nothing bugs me more than popup ads. Unlock- Root -Adaway!
Also, there is a real sick visceral thrill to doing something stupid, bricking your phone and then suppressing panic to find a fix. When that unit boots back up ready to go - it's not better than sex, but it's pretty good.
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Couldn't take it any longer, it's unlocked, TWRP'ed, and rooted. I feel so much better now! I'm once again in control and have all my apps with data right where they should be.
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Welcome to the family. Lol
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I applaud Moto for allowing this. Had a Sammy Note 3 and had to jump through so many hoops just to get a rom on the thing, sideloading bs and all that and then can't go over a certain update or root is lost, etc. Glad I bought this MXPE and about two days after purchase, rooted and unlocked the BL. Felt great to be back in control. Now whatever comes down the pike I can put on, take off without a hesitation. Great phone....

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I applaud Moto for allowing this. Had a Sammy Note 3 and had to jump through so many hoops just to get a rom on the thing, sideloading bs and all that and then can't go over a certain update or root is lost, etc. Glad I bought this MXPE and about two days after purchase, rooted and unlocked the BL. Felt great to be back in control. Now whatever comes down the pike I can put on, take off without a hesitation. Great phone....
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And you can flash forward as well. There's some info and files in the General section for a fully working MM rom. I'm holding off until someone accomplishes a modified kernel, which will allow it to be rooted.
But yea, I was a die hard Sammy guy up until the S5. It got harder and harder to root and I finally bought a Dev Edition Verizon S5. I wasn't going to fork out $6-800 on a Dev Note 4. And with the S6/N5 and up they took away removable batteries (not a deal breaker) and sd cards, which was the final stray. No removable battery, no sd card, no unlocked bootloader (for Verizon at least) = no Sammy!
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And you can flash forward as well. There's some info and files in the General section for a fully working MM rom. I'm holding off until someone accomplishes a modified kernel, which will allow it to be rooted.
But yea, I was a die hard Sammy guy up until the S5. It got harder and harder to root and I finally bought a Dev Edition Verizon S5. I wasn't going to fork out $6-800 on a Dev Note 4. And with the S6/N5 and up they took away removable batteries (not a deal breaker) and sd cards, which was the final stray. No removable battery, no sd card, no unlocked bootloader (for Verizon at least) = no Sammy!
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Yup, I was a Samsung guy too, until the changes you mentioned. I stuck with my S4 and even that would've lost root if I updated to Lollipop. So I kept rolling with KitKat until I bought the Moto X Pure. Now I'm back to Moto and hoping the next iteration of this device comes with an AMOLED display.

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Yup, I was a Samsung guy too, until the changes you mentioned. I stuck with my S4 and even that would've lost root if I updated to Lollipop. So I kept rolling with KitKat until I bought the Moto X Pure. Now I'm back to Moto and hoping the next iteration of this device comes with an AMOLED display.
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I couldn't be loyal that long lol. I've had almost every phone Verizon offers. The only ones I've been able to use for longer than a month or so are the S5, M8, G3, M9, G4, and now the MXP. I like the Nexus line but I have a 128 gb sd card so even 64gb of internal isn't nearly enough for me to use comfortably.
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Best Upgrade for my Note 4

So I have an old Note 4, the SM-N910T. It's worked great for years, but after recent updates it just keeps getting worse and worse. It constantly errors out, telling me System UI is not responding. It loses GPS every time I try to use google maps for directions. And several times a week (if not a day) I'll get the x over my bars and can't even make phone calls with it.
I thought about just resetting it to see if that would help. But if I'm going to do that I thought I might as well try a whole upgrade to whatever the best is currently out there for it. I currently use Cricket as my carrier.
Any advice?
Ps. recently things like my Bank App (USAA) stopped working for my phone. The current version is no longer supported. Would the roms out there let me use it again?

THEGODSLAYER said:
Ps. recently things like my Bank App (USAA) stopped working for my phone. The current version is no longer supported. Would the roms out there let me use it again?
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Would grabbing the official APK file from an APK mirror make a diff? I am on Android Pie, Rusurrection Rom. It's amazing. There is a battery glitch tho that can be addressed while charging it to 100 percent in recovery. After that it appears to go away.
Why not go with a Pocophone F1 or the Redmi Note 7? Both of them are "flagship killers" and both of them are able to use the Gcam mod which greatly improves on the stock cam in every regard. Simply amazing to be honest.

I'm not that familiar with what my options are. I'd like to keep using the Note 4 that I have. I just don't know if there are packages out there that would work better then the default stuff that is one it now. It seems like the latest updates really made it run like crap.
I think I'm on Android 6 Marshmallow right now. Is there a way to get a newer Android version on my phone, perhaps one that runs better then what it came with?

why not root and flash the last rom marshmallow 6.0.1, and see if your problems go away.

bluefender said:
why not root and flash the last rom marshmallow 6.0.1, and see if your problems go away.
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I could do that I guess. I was just wondering what the best rom out there for my phone is? What do people recommend. I guess I was under the impression that there were more options now. The standard T-Mobile software that's on there now has just gotten worse and worse with each update.
I didn't know if there was a way to put a newer version of Android on an older phone like that. Or if I'm stuck with Marshmallow?

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I could do that I guess. I was just wondering what the best rom out there for my phone is? What do people recommend. I guess I was under the impression that there were more options now. The standard T-Mobile software that's on there now has just gotten worse and worse with each update.
I didn't know if there was a way to put a newer version of Android on an older phone like that. Or if I'm stuck with Marshmallow?
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depends on what version of the note 4 you have, there are nougat and orea clones if you will, what verson note have you got
https://www.phonemore.com/models/samsung/galaxy-note-4/

bluefender said:
depends on what version of the note 4 you have, there are nougat and orea clones if you will, what verson note have you got
https://www.phonemore.com/models/samsung/galaxy-note-4/
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I have the SM-N910T.

theres a few on this site and https://galaxynote4root.com/category/t-mobile-note-4-roms/