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Does this app work on the Xperia Play. It says the phone needs to be very powerful.
Can anyone try this please.
It works absolutely flawless in Mario 64. Orcarina of Time has a few slowdowns in menus and when once scene transitions to the other, but is perfectly playable. Also, the developer announced he'll re-release it soon with much improved performance and support for the analog pads is planned - so I'd say it should work fine.
I could be wrong, but i think he is referring to the nintendo ds emulator. I honestly doubt it will perform well, even remotely playable. My desire hd has same hardware, with more ram and its not powerful enough. Unless the dev starts updating the app much much more.
Meister_Li said:
It works absolutely flawless in Mario 64. Orcarina of Time has a few slowdowns in menus and when once scene transitions to the other, but is perfectly playable. Also, the developer announced he'll re-release it soon with much improved performance and support for the analog pads is planned - so I'd say it should work fine.
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that's n64oid
this is about nds4droid a nintendo ds emulator
try tiger demo (nds emulator demo)
it's free and basically the same application
but to answer your question, runs very slowly, depending on the game 1-5fps some demos/homebrew run at 30+fps but are not commercial games
Oh sorry, you're right, he said NDS4droid ^^
Yeah, that's probably not going to run very well unless the developer somehow manages to emulate a DS with less... Well, emulation. The phone uses arm processor and, incidentially, the DS does too. Altho ours are a lot faster and, well, newer, it might be a lot easier to emulate the DS hardware on this similar hardware.
Incidentially, for the interested, the PSP does NOT use ARM processors but RISC processors, which work differently and make Emulation potentially a lot harder on our devices.
Edit: Actually, I did some more research, and it seems like the ARM architecture contains almost all RISC instructions, so emulation of PSP and PS2 games might be quite easy. Altho to make that work, the emulator will have to be directly developed for that platform and in the Android NDK. Ports of PC software will probably not be able to benefit from this similarities.
I thought PSP used MIPS?
The best console emulation is not available yet but i can't wait to enjoy playing some games like Daytona, Skies of Arcadia, Power Stone or Sonic Adventure 2
Here is some information about the work being conduct by drk||Raziel on NullDCe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-kV_TRNyg&feature=player_embedded
http://code.google.com/p/nulldce/
http://drk.emudev.org/blog/?p=210
http://forums.ngemu.com/nulldc-discussion/
I can"t wait to play those game on my Xperia Play
Specs : Dreamcast = 200 MHz Hitachi SH4 RISC
PSP = MIPS R4000-based; clocked from 1 to 333 MHz
Xperia play # 1GHz Scorpion processor
Adreno 205 GPU
Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon chipset
512 Ram
I'd love it to happen but it won't, not to a playable level anyway, maybe the newest dual core devices could but if we can't even run the n64 and nds perfectly then dreamcast will be on another level.
The video shows how low the frame rate is on
I've read that developers got bored of developing that emu and stopped working on it. I think, it was somewhere on androidforums.
This project seems to be completely stalled. It's a pity, because at least Crazy Taxi seems to run mighty fine. I played Sonic Adventure flawlessly with nullDC on my desktop PC. Maybe a bounty could help to raise interest?
BTW, FK1983, the games may go a bit sloppy on there because it is an alpha version. I am sure a polished, well-functioning emulator should work on a Xperia Play. Probably it'll need to be overclocked for 100% speed, but there's no reason why it shouldn't work OOB.
Unless the source code is released by the manufactures we wont see it happen in this phones life time. It is possible but the amount of work and testing it will take is far to much. Even the PC's dreamcast emulator is sketchy at best. But there are miracles
I've been searching a bit for the project creator, and his trace seems to disappear from all his projects around February this year. I hope nothing bad occurred to him...
My old PC was a 2.2 ghz duo core with a 4670 ati.
It could emulate well up to Gamecube, which would slow down quite a bit.
If we could overclock the Play to 2ghz and we had a Play optimised Dreamcast emulator i believe it could be done.......just.
I have found Dreamcast emulation very problematic on the PC though. Mounting the discs and getting them to work properly is very cumbersome.
In all honesty, since we don't really have that great Dreamcast emulation on the PC, i think it highly unlikely to ever come out for mobile phones.
I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever see a DC emu for the Xperia. There are barely any good DC emulators for the PC, and most good emulators on devices like the Xperia are just optimized ports of PC versions.
It's theoretically possible since both systems run ARM-based architecture (though I'm not sure if the ARM chip in the DC would execute instructions that the Xperia could run as they might have changed drastically over the past decade), but it's theroetically possible, though still unlikely. Even with HLE, you're talking about trying to emulate a 200mhz system on a 1ghz one, that's a pretty damn tall order, and it would take some SERIOUS coding and optimizing to make it happen.
I hate to say it, but emu authors are hobbyists that do this for fun - they rarely have the time to devote to optimizing a emulator well enough to run within such narrow margins.
Just look a FPSE - even being a paid app and getting regular updates, it still doesn't run fullspeed and have accurate sound emulation or graphics filerting and the PSX is only 33mhz.
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I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever see a DC emu for the Xperia. There are barely any good DC emulators for the PC, and most good emulators on devices like the Xperia are just optimized ports of PC versions.
It's theoretically possible since both systems run ARM-based architecture (though I'm not sure if the ARM chip in the DC would execute instructions that the Xperia could run as they might have changed drastically over the past decade), but it's theroetically possible, though still unlikely. Even with HLE, you're talking about trying to emulate a 200mhz system on a 1ghz one, that's a pretty damn tall order, and it would take some SERIOUS coding and optimizing to make it happen.
I hate to say it, but emu authors are hobbyists that do this for fun - they rarely have the time to devote to optimizing a emulator well enough to run within such narrow margins.
Just look a FPSE - even being a paid app and getting regular updates, it still doesn't run fullspeed and have accurate sound emulation or graphics filerting and the PSX is only 33mhz.
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I agree with you except the fpse part. I have Tekken3 for example running at 66fps just because that is my vync.
But yeah a 200Mhz to run on a 1Ghz processor is not very likely feasible. Then again I would love to be wrong!
shaolin95 said:
I agree with you except the fpse part. I have Tekken3 for example running at 66fps just because that is my vync.
But yeah a 200Mhz to run on a 1Ghz processor is not very likely feasible. Then again I would love to be wrong!
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ye most games run great in fpse. i agree with you there
but try putting screen filtering on in fpse then look at the frame rate
I would most likely kill to be able to play Skies again, my dreamcast died a few years back and I get sad when I walk past my dreamcast games collection.
srsly, will there be a game like skies of arcadia in the next years ? that game was pure awsomeness
why couldent our phones play DC games? our phones is like almost 3 times more powerful then a DC,
i kinda wish the xperia play had the hummingbird cpu and gpu with a 4.3inch screen would pretty much be the same as a Psp 3000
(and come in white on verzion..... the white xperia is so sexy)
icebear8 said:
why couldent our phones play DC games? our phones is like almost 3 times more powerful then a DC,
i kinda wish the xperia play had the hummingbird cpu and gpu with a 4.3inch screen would pretty much be the same as a Psp 3000
(and come in white on verzion..... the white xperia is so sexy)
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In theory it could work reasonably well.
However I imagine it would mean reprogramming games to run natively on the phone.
This or emulating perfectly is simply too much work for a dev to do for free in his spare time.
For that reason I doubt it will ever happen.
Dreamcast emulation is still sketchy on the pc with alot of flaws.
dsswoosh said:
In theory it could work reasonably well.
However I imagine it would mean reprogramming games to run natively on the phone.
This or emulating perfectly is simply too much work for a dev to do for free in his spare time.
For that reason I doubt it will ever happen.
Dreamcast emulation is still sketchy on the pc with alot of flaws.
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In pcs like mine, a Core i7 920 at stock speed, i don't see any emulation flaws. In mine as NullDC as Demul run all games that are actually emulated, at full speed and without any slowdown.Even in the Naomi 2 ones, which has a more powerful GPU based in the same of Dreamcast, in Demul there are some bugs but almost all those games run at full speed and the hardware base it's the same of Dreamcast.I think that Xperia Play has no chances for the Dreamcast emulation, in the maximum psx games and N64 only overclocked, maybe the Galaxy S II have some chances of a reasonable emulation but not at full speed in some games like Dead or Alive 2. If it is in a phone with a Snapdragon S4 processor like the MSM8960 dual core at 1.5GHz more the Adreno 225 GPU, i think that it will be possible at full speed. This processor has almost 10000 MIPS of processing power, you remember that Dreamcast has 360MIPS despiste to be a console.
Duramajin said:
I would most likely kill to be able to play Skies again, my dreamcast died a few years back and I get sad when I walk past my dreamcast games collection.
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I have 2x brand new dreamcasts right now
A shop near me sells them for 10 dollars each with brand new cd drives (the part that failed the most on them)
anyways I have a game collection of around 500 games at the moment
Dreamcast was the best system ever I think
For sure one of my favorite
and saying the emulators are sketchy is a lie.
I've tested personally almost my whole collection on them and never had any problems with games
HOWEVER. i dont think the Xperia play will ever emulate a dreamcast well
that emu has been dead forever somone would have to pickup the project
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Dont blame me I didn't bump it lol.
I still am waiting to get my note. Should be the end of Feb.
But in the mean time, I've been looking around for a decent NDS emulator for android, as it strikes me that the note is prefectly suited to be a DS emulator.
The screen seems the right size to be split in 2, it has a stylus, and it is powerful enough to potentially handle DS emulation.
The problem is I can't seem to find any good DS emulators anymore.
I found a copy of nds4droid 1.3 somewhere on the internet and tried it on my Xoom, but it is really slow.
Anyone know of a better one, and where the official nds4droid site is?
Or is NDS emulation on android dead and not likely to start up again?
Cheers
Jayd
On settings, switch on the second core
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On settings, switch on the second core
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The version I had had an experimental mode which apparently tried to make it faster, but it was still too slow on my Xoom, even with frame skip on 10.
What version do you have?
Are there any other ones?
It's weird that N64 can be emulated so well, but not the DS.
are you kidding, ds emulator barely runs smoothly on a core2dual, and you wish to run it on a dual core? its gonna take you like 5min to do a 1min action... even core2dual lags. just wait for core2dual happens on mobile, than nds is starting to be playable, by that time playing nds games is just like todays playing a snes game lol.
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are you kidding, ds emulator barely runs smoothly on a core2dual, and you wish to run it on a dual core? its gonna take you like 5min to do a 1min action... even core2dual lags. just wait for core2dual happens on mobile, than nds is starting to be playable, by that time playing nds games is just like todays playing a snes game lol.
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So GBA is the best handheld emulator that I'll get for a while then?
I just think it is strange that PS1 and N64 which have better graphics can run smoothly but not the DS, but then again, I don't know how they differ at the process level.
When is Nintendo going to realise that Handhelds are dead and bring out Mario, Zelda and Pokemon for Android? Seriously!!!
Anyone ever test gaming performance (both native android games and games on emulators like NDS4Droid) to see how much of a difference overclocking made? Also how does the Nexus 7 compare to tablets with OMAP4470 (like the Kindle Fire HD 8.9,Nook HD+, Kobo Arc)? I've read that the OMAP4470 is faster than the non-OC Tegra 3.
I was just wondering because I'm going to be getting a tablet soon and it would be cool if it could handle gaming well.
Overclocking should give you a performance boost, however it may not give you a major speed boost.
@ jon7701
Yeah, I was just wondering how big a performance boost it would be. The thing is, if no amount of overclocking on the Tegra 3 or the regular OMAP4470 will ever be able to run newer emulators like NDS4Droid at anywhere near playable speeds, I'll just settle for the JXD S7300 or Archos Gamepad.
Seeing as how most anything nowadays can emulate the PSX/N64/SNES/NES/GBA/etc... The JXD and Archos systems have microSD slot, physical buttons (complete with dual analog nubs), dual cameras (this is more fluff than anything), and can be rooted easily (the makers of those tablets all but encourage it).
Would the Mali400MP4 and Mali400MP2 be able to handle most of the native android games (like the stuff from Gameloft)?
Anyone that has an overclocked Nexus willing to test NDS4Droid gameplay speed?
Which games would you like tested? I was thinking about trying it myself. I notice a significant difference from stock vs overclocked in n64 emulators.
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Which games would you like tested? I was thinking about trying it myself. I notice a significant difference from stock vs overclocked in n64 emulators.
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If you could test Super Mario 64 for the Nintendo DS using NDS4Droid and tell me how well it plays? Also what did you overclock your CPU and GPU to?
Many already know that this device will be very good to run different emulators with.
Everything from Dolphin to Drastic DS, Reicast, Mupen64 and many more. I'll focus a lot on Dolphin as thats the emulator that will get the best boost compared to the Tegra K1 32-bit.
Extra Tutorials/Videos
How to use "Overclock" in Dolpin Emulator
Dolphin Android - "Overclock" vs Normal speed - Paper Mario
Dolphin Android - "Overclock" vs Normal speed - Metroid Prime
Dolphin Android - "Overclock" vs Normal speed - Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4
Dolphin Android - "Overclock" vs Normal speed - Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
Dolphin Android - "Overclock" vs Normal speed - Baten Kaitos Origins
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Dolphin(Gamecube & Wii)
Mario Kart Double Dash!!
The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Super Smash Bros. Melee
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Mario Sunshine
Luigi's Mansion
Tales of Symphonia
[Wii] Xenoblade Chronicles
[Wii] Super Smash Bros. Brawl
[Wii]The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
[Wii]Sonic Riders Zero Gravity
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Drastic DS(Nintendo DS)
Pokemon Black Version
New Super Mario Bros
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
Mario Kart DS
Pokemon Black Version 2
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Reicast(Dreamcast)
Shenmue
Sonic Adventure
Sonic Adventure 2
Virtua Tennis
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PPSSPP (PSP)
Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
Little Big Planet
Final Fantasy Type-0
Final Fantasy: Crisis Core
Harvest Moon: Hero of Leaf Valley
Burnout Dominator
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Mupen64Plus AE (Nintendo 64)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Mario Kart 64
Super Mario 64
Super Smash Bros
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Mario Party 3
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ePSXe (Playstation)
Crash Bandicoot 3
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy IX
The Legend of Dragoon
Xenogears
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RetroArch
(PPSSPP) Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep
(PSX) Vagrant Story
(SNES) Super Mario World
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Look forward to seeing them, since I won't be getting my own N9 at release. I don't really care about seeing anything but PPSSPP and Dolphin though, since the others are already fine on older hardware.
I hope that PPSSPP and Dolphin will work good
I think PPSSPP will run almost all games at full speed. But running dolphin at full speed will be much, much harder to achieve. Hopefully we will see at least 50% gain in fps compared to the shield tablet.
Not really interested in emus since I have a Wii U for that but I expect the N9 to run anything you throw at it
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I hope that PPSSPP and Dolphin will work good
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I have PPSSPP running Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together and Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions running fine on a FireTV and Galaxy Tab 2 tablet fine. I'm also playing around with a few Japanese visual novel imports. PPSSPP should not have any issues on the N9.
You need to remember that this tablet is rocking a QXGA (2048x1536) screen so it will be more heavy to play on it
tyvar1 said:
You need to remember that this tablet is rocking a QXGA (2048x1536) screen so it will be more heavy to play on it
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Thats where overclocking comes in
tyvar1 said:
You need to remember that this tablet is rocking a QXGA (2048x1536) screen so it will be more heavy to play on it
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That won't tax it harder on Dolphin per se, since it won't be rendering at that, i wouldn't expect it to run well except on 1xIR (the Dolphin native resolution).
The Nexus 9 certainly won't be able to manage "anything you can throw at it" though, since even the most high spec PC can't do that right now and maintain full speed on certain games in Dolphin. My i7 4790K with water cooking and overclock and GTX 980 SC ACX 2.0 can't, and that's much more powerful than the K1.
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Thats where overclocking comes in
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Ooo yeees!
I mostly emulate on my nexus 7----does anyone know of a good way to emulate gamecube games? I would love to do that...
dianestory2 said:
I mostly emulate on my nexus 7----does anyone know of a good way to emulate gamecube games? I would love to do that...
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Dolphin is the Gamecube emulator, but never going to playable on the Nexus 7.
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Dolphin is the Gamecube emulator, but never going to playable on the Nexus 7.
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Would it work on the nexus 9?
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Would it work on the nexus 9?
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That's the question we're all waiting to have answered!
So far the Nvidia Shield Tablet, by far, runs it the best and the expectation is that the K1 Denver should be a good step up from there as it nearly doubles CPU performance, which the emulator is more dependant on. I would expect many games to still run slow, but a good deal more titles should be playable (more easily emualted games like Timesplitters 2, which runs at about 40-45fps on my Shield tablet and might be fully playable on the Nexus 9).
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That's the question we're all waiting to have answered!
So far the Nvidia Shield Tablet, by far, runs it the best and the expectation is that the K1 Denver should be a good step up from there as it nearly doubles CPU performance, which the emulator is more dependant on. I would expect many games to still run slow, but a good deal more titles should be playable (more easily games like Timesplitters 2, which runs at about 40-45fps on my Shield tablet and might be fully playable on the Nexus 9).
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OOOOoooooohhhhh sorry, my bad, I'm used to people on here knowing everything hahaha sorry
Dolphin only uses 2 cores, that means that dolphin is not taking advantage of the full power the shield tablet has. Nexus 9 is running a dual core k1, and the single core performance is up to 100% faster than the quad core k1. This should give us a big speed improvment in dolphin
I'm currently running DraStic on my Samsung Tab S 8.4, and it works PERFECTLY. Soooo smooth, best DS/3DS emulator out there. Looking forward to using it on the Nexus 9, with what the wider screen.
(PS. Got the emulator for Pokemon . you're never too old for that game )
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I'm currently running DraStic on my Samsung Tab S 8.4, and it works PERFECTLY. Soooo smooth, best DS/3DS emulator out there. Looking forward to using it on the Nexus 9, with what the wider screen.
(PS. Got the emulator for Pokemon . you're never too old for that game )
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You're right mate. Most of the games I play are older Pokemon games, from when I was a child or hacks based on those games.
Not sure if I find the huge screen preferable for GBC and GBA emulating, but I'm really looking forward to pushing that soc to the max
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(PS. Got the emulator for Pokemon . you're never too old for that game )
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Truest thing ive heard all day:good:
Rage1ofakind said:
I'm currently running DraStic on my Samsung Tab S 8.4, and it works PERFECTLY. Soooo smooth, best DS/3DS emulator out there. Looking forward to using it on the Nexus 9, with what the wider screen.
(PS. Got the emulator for Pokemon . you're never too old for that game )
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3DS emulation is possible?