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So this may have been asked before, but does anyone know if there is a DS emulator for windows mobile devices, or whether somebody out there is working on one?
I mean I don't know **** about emulation, but it makes sense to me given that both are touchcreen devices and a lot of pocketpcs are pretty powerful these days.
Sorry to say this, but forget it, you'll never get a decent NDS emulator on PPC... Most NDS emulators on PC don't run at fullspeed when using 3D, and that's for homebrew, so on PocketPC... Not likely...
Yep, what Mollusk said is true. Let's also remember that the DS has two screens, and if you'd like to split your already small PPC screen into two, it won't be fun.
Depends on the size and resolution you have I guess - splitting it might not be that impossible after all. But on the performance end there is no light in sight of course. We don't even have full speed GBA emulation (with sound) and so it's probably highly unlikely to ever see something usable for the DS. The only straw is that both the DS and PPC use ARM CPUs and there *might* be a way to use this somehow just like with FPSEce.
The problem wouldn't be the ARM CPU, but the 2D and 3D GPU... Maybe we could have an emulator in text mode ^^
As for splitting the screen, that wouldn't be an issue either. I ported a few of my DS games to PocketPC and just did some minor resizing.
DS total screen size : 256x384
PocketPC standard size : 240x320
It's not perfect, but close enough (with a little cropping ^^)
Anyways, won't work
damn i was really look on finding the emulator for the NDS, but i finally stopped on this thread, lol saved me some trouble on continuing my search for the NDS
Just wait 2 or 3 years..i bet our phones are gonna be capable of doing this.
suure, with qualcomm ****, yeah lol.
dream on, htc users, dream on..
ds emu as plugin for manila 9d(with iphone icons to be cool, of course).
sry to say that, but sometimes you are ridiculous, guys.
nothin said:
suure, with qualcomm ****, yeah lol.
dream on, htc users, dream on..
ds emu as plugin for manila 9d(with iphone icons to be cool, of course).
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Since you know how to read the future..how is it gonna be like in 2015?
there will be NO electricity, power lines, etc. in 2015, so..
(hheh..)
it will be "GO" and chess era.
again.
Another little problem you will have to deal with.:-
A DS is actually driven by two ARM processors, running at 66Mhz and 33Mhz respectively. Not particularly fast by PPC standards, but usually they drive one screen each, and talk to each other to keep the game flowing along correctly. Most PDA phones also have two ARM processors, but one is driving the phone subsystem and is strictly off limits, you can't get at it.
As mentioned above, the killer is the 2D/3D graphics hardware they have access to, to do all the drawing gruntwork. Even a PPC ARM processor running 10 times faster than those on the DS is going to struggle emulating all that lot.
Well there is already a phone with a 1ghz processor so maybe it's not too far off?
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Well there is already a phone with a 1ghz processor so maybe it's not too far off?
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do not let 'em fool you.
they reversed whole ppc evolution progress to make CASH, don't YOU understand or what....
please, think, 'bout it, do not FLAME me, plz.
vide Dell Axim x50/51v - 6 yr old machine.
They cared bout drivers, and power.
Then someone realized, that state was given TOO FaST to earn money.
And HTC became ruler of market.
It is ok, if you HAVE cash for ****...probably you do..
maybe a device with a good chunk of ram and a tegra chipset
i imagine this would open up a whole new world of emulation. solid ps1, maybe n64 as well?
my only worry is the loss of d-pad on the tp2, and the ****ty dpad on the tp1, makes for a poor user experience when trying to jump and you hit home by accident I dread to wonder what the 2010 devices will be missing. No qwerty devices any more?
only prob for multi touch.
GBA works perfect in 200 mhz cpu.
128 mb ram 667 mhz cpu and 2d 3d drivers have xcale.
tray ideas source code.
mancukya said:
only prob for multi touch.
GBA works perfect in 200 mhz cpu.
128 mb ram 667 mhz cpu and 2d 3d drivers have xcale.
tray ideas source code.
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gba on 200 mhz?? could you tell us , which emu can do this??
upd: you mean 200 mhz x86?
mancukya said:
only prob for multi touch.
GBA works perfect in 200 mhz cpu.
128 mb ram 667 mhz cpu and 2d 3d drivers have xcale.
tray ideas source code.
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doesnt have to be entirely touch tho, mapping the volume rocker and using the dpad, the screen could be utilized for one-at-a-time buttons. like picodrive for genesis uses dpad with a/b/c buttons onscreen. these buttons are never used simultaneously anyway
so ppc can fast emulate ps1 and it cant emulate that ****ing noobly nds??????????? .....WTF?......
if there is other way to play gta china wars on my omnia replay to me
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if there is other way to play gta china wars on my omnia replay to me
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You can play psp games on your ppc you know that right?
i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you
TDMaster said:
i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you
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It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so
arcticmedia said:
It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so
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There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.
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There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.
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do you have a link to that? that would be really interesting to read/watch
as for the OP, i said to my self long before i got this phone was confirmed that if any manufacturer made a android phone with a slide out gamepad i would buy it even if it had zero games at launch or the foreseeable future
why would i buy such a device? emulators and thousands of roms that come with them plus the android games, the icing on the cake will be PS suite, possible PSP games in the future would be further icing
im not sure what you want out of this phone but maybe this has helped you in some way
There IS a emu for psp on pc called jpcsp which is java develop
I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)
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I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)
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There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1
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There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1
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I think you misunderstand how Emulators work. They emulate - as the name implies - the hardware of another system by software. That means, you need a TON more resources to emulate the hardware of the other System. Usually, that means you need to jump at least two generations ahead to make it work.
Some examples:
A GBA has 66 Mhz. To Emulate it back in the day properly, you needed about 800Mhz to do it.
The PS2 has a 300 Mhz CPU and 147 Mhz GPU. To make it run on today's computers via emulation, you need a 2.5 Ghz Dual core. And even that isn't very smooth in some games.
Ontop of that, the Emulator you're refering to is coded in Java, which means it'll be easy to port, but eat EVEN MORE resources due to the unspecialised code.
The best console emulation is not available yet but i can't wait to enjoy playing some games like Daytona, Skies of Arcadia, Power Stone or Sonic Adventure 2
Here is some information about the work being conduct by drk||Raziel on NullDCe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-kV_TRNyg&feature=player_embedded
http://code.google.com/p/nulldce/
http://drk.emudev.org/blog/?p=210
http://forums.ngemu.com/nulldc-discussion/
I can"t wait to play those game on my Xperia Play
Specs : Dreamcast = 200 MHz Hitachi SH4 RISC
PSP = MIPS R4000-based; clocked from 1 to 333 MHz
Xperia play # 1GHz Scorpion processor
Adreno 205 GPU
Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon chipset
512 Ram
I'd love it to happen but it won't, not to a playable level anyway, maybe the newest dual core devices could but if we can't even run the n64 and nds perfectly then dreamcast will be on another level.
The video shows how low the frame rate is on
I've read that developers got bored of developing that emu and stopped working on it. I think, it was somewhere on androidforums.
This project seems to be completely stalled. It's a pity, because at least Crazy Taxi seems to run mighty fine. I played Sonic Adventure flawlessly with nullDC on my desktop PC. Maybe a bounty could help to raise interest?
BTW, FK1983, the games may go a bit sloppy on there because it is an alpha version. I am sure a polished, well-functioning emulator should work on a Xperia Play. Probably it'll need to be overclocked for 100% speed, but there's no reason why it shouldn't work OOB.
Unless the source code is released by the manufactures we wont see it happen in this phones life time. It is possible but the amount of work and testing it will take is far to much. Even the PC's dreamcast emulator is sketchy at best. But there are miracles
I've been searching a bit for the project creator, and his trace seems to disappear from all his projects around February this year. I hope nothing bad occurred to him...
My old PC was a 2.2 ghz duo core with a 4670 ati.
It could emulate well up to Gamecube, which would slow down quite a bit.
If we could overclock the Play to 2ghz and we had a Play optimised Dreamcast emulator i believe it could be done.......just.
I have found Dreamcast emulation very problematic on the PC though. Mounting the discs and getting them to work properly is very cumbersome.
In all honesty, since we don't really have that great Dreamcast emulation on the PC, i think it highly unlikely to ever come out for mobile phones.
I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever see a DC emu for the Xperia. There are barely any good DC emulators for the PC, and most good emulators on devices like the Xperia are just optimized ports of PC versions.
It's theoretically possible since both systems run ARM-based architecture (though I'm not sure if the ARM chip in the DC would execute instructions that the Xperia could run as they might have changed drastically over the past decade), but it's theroetically possible, though still unlikely. Even with HLE, you're talking about trying to emulate a 200mhz system on a 1ghz one, that's a pretty damn tall order, and it would take some SERIOUS coding and optimizing to make it happen.
I hate to say it, but emu authors are hobbyists that do this for fun - they rarely have the time to devote to optimizing a emulator well enough to run within such narrow margins.
Just look a FPSE - even being a paid app and getting regular updates, it still doesn't run fullspeed and have accurate sound emulation or graphics filerting and the PSX is only 33mhz.
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I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever see a DC emu for the Xperia. There are barely any good DC emulators for the PC, and most good emulators on devices like the Xperia are just optimized ports of PC versions.
It's theoretically possible since both systems run ARM-based architecture (though I'm not sure if the ARM chip in the DC would execute instructions that the Xperia could run as they might have changed drastically over the past decade), but it's theroetically possible, though still unlikely. Even with HLE, you're talking about trying to emulate a 200mhz system on a 1ghz one, that's a pretty damn tall order, and it would take some SERIOUS coding and optimizing to make it happen.
I hate to say it, but emu authors are hobbyists that do this for fun - they rarely have the time to devote to optimizing a emulator well enough to run within such narrow margins.
Just look a FPSE - even being a paid app and getting regular updates, it still doesn't run fullspeed and have accurate sound emulation or graphics filerting and the PSX is only 33mhz.
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I agree with you except the fpse part. I have Tekken3 for example running at 66fps just because that is my vync.
But yeah a 200Mhz to run on a 1Ghz processor is not very likely feasible. Then again I would love to be wrong!
shaolin95 said:
I agree with you except the fpse part. I have Tekken3 for example running at 66fps just because that is my vync.
But yeah a 200Mhz to run on a 1Ghz processor is not very likely feasible. Then again I would love to be wrong!
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ye most games run great in fpse. i agree with you there
but try putting screen filtering on in fpse then look at the frame rate
I would most likely kill to be able to play Skies again, my dreamcast died a few years back and I get sad when I walk past my dreamcast games collection.
srsly, will there be a game like skies of arcadia in the next years ? that game was pure awsomeness
why couldent our phones play DC games? our phones is like almost 3 times more powerful then a DC,
i kinda wish the xperia play had the hummingbird cpu and gpu with a 4.3inch screen would pretty much be the same as a Psp 3000
(and come in white on verzion..... the white xperia is so sexy)
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why couldent our phones play DC games? our phones is like almost 3 times more powerful then a DC,
i kinda wish the xperia play had the hummingbird cpu and gpu with a 4.3inch screen would pretty much be the same as a Psp 3000
(and come in white on verzion..... the white xperia is so sexy)
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In theory it could work reasonably well.
However I imagine it would mean reprogramming games to run natively on the phone.
This or emulating perfectly is simply too much work for a dev to do for free in his spare time.
For that reason I doubt it will ever happen.
Dreamcast emulation is still sketchy on the pc with alot of flaws.
dsswoosh said:
In theory it could work reasonably well.
However I imagine it would mean reprogramming games to run natively on the phone.
This or emulating perfectly is simply too much work for a dev to do for free in his spare time.
For that reason I doubt it will ever happen.
Dreamcast emulation is still sketchy on the pc with alot of flaws.
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In pcs like mine, a Core i7 920 at stock speed, i don't see any emulation flaws. In mine as NullDC as Demul run all games that are actually emulated, at full speed and without any slowdown.Even in the Naomi 2 ones, which has a more powerful GPU based in the same of Dreamcast, in Demul there are some bugs but almost all those games run at full speed and the hardware base it's the same of Dreamcast.I think that Xperia Play has no chances for the Dreamcast emulation, in the maximum psx games and N64 only overclocked, maybe the Galaxy S II have some chances of a reasonable emulation but not at full speed in some games like Dead or Alive 2. If it is in a phone with a Snapdragon S4 processor like the MSM8960 dual core at 1.5GHz more the Adreno 225 GPU, i think that it will be possible at full speed. This processor has almost 10000 MIPS of processing power, you remember that Dreamcast has 360MIPS despiste to be a console.
Duramajin said:
I would most likely kill to be able to play Skies again, my dreamcast died a few years back and I get sad when I walk past my dreamcast games collection.
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I have 2x brand new dreamcasts right now
A shop near me sells them for 10 dollars each with brand new cd drives (the part that failed the most on them)
anyways I have a game collection of around 500 games at the moment
Dreamcast was the best system ever I think
For sure one of my favorite
and saying the emulators are sketchy is a lie.
I've tested personally almost my whole collection on them and never had any problems with games
HOWEVER. i dont think the Xperia play will ever emulate a dreamcast well
that emu has been dead forever somone would have to pickup the project
Necrobump...
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Dont blame me I didn't bump it lol.
Pure speculation at this point, but anyone who might have more insight than the rest of us chime in on the full power of a Tegra 3 that we are supposed to be seeing in the next Transformer.
Specifically my wife is giving me the ultimatum on my PS2 game discs that are gathering dust. I adamantly insist that I'll see a PS2 emu on the Tegra 3 so I am saving all my PS2 RPG's for that day. She thinks I am being a packrat.
Only you can save my PS2 discs from the salvation army!
Don't hold out hope for a PS2 emulator on Android any time soon. The current PS1 emulators barely run at full speed, even when overclocked. On PC, you need about a 4Ghz CPU clock to run most PS2 games at full speed. It's all because the PS2 runs on a unique architecture that no one has yet been able to optimize for current hardware, and Sony has never been nice enough to open source the PS2 for emulators.
My advice? Rip all of your PS2 games to a hard drive, then get yourself a brand new gaming PC and overclock the crap out of it.
Hm, I never had any gaming device other than the original nintendo... and I got that from a garage sale. Man, you people are spoiled.
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Don't hold out hope for a PS2 emulator on Android any time soon. The current PS1 emulators barely run at full speed, even when overclocked. On PC, you need about a 4Ghz CPU clock to run most PS2 games at full speed. It's all because the PS2 runs on a unique architecture that no one has yet been able to optimize for current hardware, and Sony has never been nice enough to open source the PS2 for emulators.
My advice? Rip all of your PS2 games to a hard drive, then get yourself a brand new gaming PC and overclock the crap out of it.
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Thanks for the honest answer.
An even different point of view: the PS3 can't emulate via software the PS2. And Sony kinda knows how a PS2 works
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I was wondering if it wil be possible to run PSP games on this device.
I should be getting it next week. The other games sound great but I'm really looking into playing MHP3rd (great game if you don't know it)
I understand there is no current way to play PSP games but, is anyone working on it?
Thanks in advance!
If you bought this phone thinking of playing PSP games, you better return it. There is no way that this hardware, or the next couple of generations, can emulate PSP.
From N64 below though... It's fair game
What he said. If your talking about emulating psp on the xperia play then thats impossible, even on the most powerful smartphones it would be impossible. (well maybe not impossible but definitely very very very slow, just look at the DS emulator)
A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?
Selim873 said:
A PSP emulator would be very slow, yet the Dreamcast emulator still in development ran the entire Shenmue introduction at 102% speed on the Galaxy S II? Is the PSP really that much more powerful than the Dreamcast?
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The psp is so powerful that if I were to post it's specs, there is a 3.14% chance this entire site can implode.
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You're talking about a dual core device with 333 mhz which takes a nice 2.5 GHz with 4 GB Ram to run its most well known emulator properly. It's true that Java programs like Jpcsp need more oomph than programs in other languages like C, but emulating PSP is a daunting task, unfeasible by today's state of the art mobile hardware.
Contrast the single core, 200 mhz processor in Sega's console. its emulators run with less specs than PSP emulators, and it is very plausible that the Xplay won't boot but the simplest of games, not unlike today when slower phones can only run Mario 64 without sound.
Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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Wait, there's a DreamCast Emulator on the way??? Holy moly that is going to be amazing, will the Xperia run it alright?
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Just one thing about the title of the thread...
"PSP games on the Xperia Play." ----> Statement.
"PSP games on the Xperia Play?" ----> Question.
If you are gonna ask something, use a question, ok? Thanks.
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I wonder if it's actually using both cores though, if it isn't I'm sure a OCed XP has a shot at emulating it.
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Its a port of the pc emulator NullDC which only uses one core, Its very unlikely that the emulator uses both cores. (no emulators use both yet).
White_Pointer said:
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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The XPlay is FAR more powerful than the PSP, the PSP had 64mb ram and a 333 mhz processor. So while that may not be enough of an exponential increase to do an emulator, ports would be very possible.
Just have to wait for the Suite to come out to see whats available. Too bad it feels like that won't happen anytime soon.
I'd say they are probably timing the launch of the PS Suite to coincide with the launch of the Vita. Just a hunch I have.
Ignorance is... bliss.
White_Pointer said:
PSP games won't be emulated on the Xperia Play - HOWEVER
I believe the phone's specs are actually better than the PSP's specs - so in theory at least, PSP games could be ported to the Xperia Play. Not emulated, but properly ported.
That's if Sony can be bothered.
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You have alot to learn my friend
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It works and it runs full speed on a galaxy s 2, the developer hasn't released it though. Then again he made a dreamcast emulator for the psp years ago and never released that either. :/
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I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
Selim873 said:
I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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I think it will and power of our hardware with Android yesterday after almost 2 years, I turned on again the psp fat to give to my son and curiosity I put the N64 emulator super mario64 and are appalled by slow and he was without sound emulation, with which even if it was activated was unplayable ....... I mean that today's technology and the very top and specifically to emulate the PSP on and Android difficult but not impossible;-)
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I've seen videos of progress on the PSP, and there's only one video of his Wii port. They both run severely slow, he probably couldn't even optimize them specifically for those systems as easily as he could for the Android. Android on the other hand, have been getting more and more powerful as time goes by.
Even compared to the Wii...
Wii: 88MB Ram, CPU clocked at 729MHz.
Xperia Play: 512MB Ram, CPU clocked at 1.00GHz.
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Thats fair enough but the wii has a much much much more powerfull gpu than the play meaning it only needs a percentage of the memory/processing power to display much more complex graphics. Plus consoles have dedicated graphics, the play dosent.
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I see a lot of people mentioning clock speed in emulation arguments. What you have to remember is that clock speed is only relevant when your comparing two CPU of similar architecture. A dual core Pentium IIII clocked at 3.9 Ghz is not even AS fast as a core 2 duo clocked at say 3.0. A better architecture means better performance, and while gaming consoles don't always have a high clock speed, they usually have tightly integrated designs with efficient architectures.
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