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i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you

TDMaster said:
i really want to buy this phone but i keep getting reasons not ..
if phone cant run PSP/PS1 game...(not even PSP Emulator from Sony )
and only can run PSP developed to Android games..
(which for some reason i dont see GOW and other titles coming to Android)
what other reasons i got buy this phone?
Thank you
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It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so

arcticmedia said:
It can play ps1 games with the emulator fpse
I play final fantasy , tekken 3 , gran turismo at full speed ! if you want I can make a video
I think with the xperia play a developer will create a worthy psp emulator (at least I hope so
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There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.

Meister_Li said:
There isn't even a really working PSP emulator on PC However, Sony Ericsson demo'd God of War and Little Big Planet from the PSP on the phone already - so we will most likely see some ports of existing PSP games appear in the Playstation Pocket app.
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do you have a link to that? that would be really interesting to read/watch
as for the OP, i said to my self long before i got this phone was confirmed that if any manufacturer made a android phone with a slide out gamepad i would buy it even if it had zero games at launch or the foreseeable future
why would i buy such a device? emulators and thousands of roms that come with them plus the android games, the icing on the cake will be PS suite, possible PSP games in the future would be further icing
im not sure what you want out of this phone but maybe this has helped you in some way

There IS a emu for psp on pc called jpcsp which is java develop

I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)

Meister_Li said:
I only remember it from some page where they said they demo'ed GOW and LBP's PSP counterparts on the Play. I think it was from the TGS, but I could be wrong.
I know of the emulator, but from what I heard, it performs very poorly. I don't think it's realistic to expect it to work on the phone in any usable form. The PSP Hardware is pretty close to the PS2, and you need a 2Ghz dual core Processor on a PC to get any joy out of it's emulator, which is not programmed in Java (and thus faster in general)
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There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1

TDMaster said:
There is no way that Hardware from 2-3 years of the PSP is better then 1GHZ CPU and the Graphics card i find it weird if so...
and Android is not all Java there is NDK which is Native C++ OpenGL 2.1
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I think you misunderstand how Emulators work. They emulate - as the name implies - the hardware of another system by software. That means, you need a TON more resources to emulate the hardware of the other System. Usually, that means you need to jump at least two generations ahead to make it work.
Some examples:
A GBA has 66 Mhz. To Emulate it back in the day properly, you needed about 800Mhz to do it.
The PS2 has a 300 Mhz CPU and 147 Mhz GPU. To make it run on today's computers via emulation, you need a 2.5 Ghz Dual core. And even that isn't very smooth in some games.
Ontop of that, the Emulator you're refering to is coded in Java, which means it'll be easy to port, but eat EVEN MORE resources due to the unspecialised code.

[DISCUSS] PSP Games?

Does anyone think/know if it will ever be possible to play PSP games on this device? It is much more powerful than the PSP, and has the same buttons, so i was thinking if it would be possible. I know it would require some emulation, and that's not easy
But what do you think? One day maybe..?

I can see games like patapon, loco roco being ported over easily. psp emulation on the phone prob will never happen but sony could recode games from the psp to the xperia play.

Krislawl said:
I can see games like patapon, loco roco being ported over easily. psp emulation on the phone prob will never happen but sony could recode games from the psp to the xperia play.
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I do think this is a possibility, and I can see that games in this format would suit the platform very well, although it would be nice for some more "hardcore" games to be ported

McGinty13 said:
I do think this is a possibility, and I can see that games in this format would suit the platform very well, although it would be nice for some more "hardcore" games to be ported
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I think Leisure Suit Larry will be as close to 'hardcore' as you'll get!

That would be quite to my likings
Wouldn't mind them making san andreas stories for the xperia play or something. But would be more then happy with a vice city stories port.

I doubt it. PSP is pretty powerful, dual 333 MHz processors. MIPS architecture (Play uses ARM IIRC)

if sony bother to recode some PSP games to run natively on the play, there is a possibility
only time will tell

NeoTechni said:
I doubt it. PSP is pretty powerful, dual 333 MHz processors. MIPS architecture (Play uses ARM IIRC)
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i'm pretty sure it's a single core

Krislawl said:
i'm pretty sure it's a single core
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it is. but it has the media engine too (which seems to be, in essence, another cpu)
it'll be more likely to see a "wine" kinda thing, from the psp os to android, than emulation.

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i'm pretty sure it's a single core
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It isnt. We've known it has 2, 333 MHz processors since before it was launched
And as someone who has developed for PSP, I know this personally.

Dreamcast emulation next step to enjoy Android and xPlay experience

The best console emulation is not available yet but i can't wait to enjoy playing some games like Daytona, Skies of Arcadia, Power Stone or Sonic Adventure 2
Here is some information about the work being conduct by drk||Raziel on NullDCe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-kV_TRNyg&feature=player_embedded
http://code.google.com/p/nulldce/
http://drk.emudev.org/blog/?p=210
http://forums.ngemu.com/nulldc-discussion/
I can"t wait to play those game on my Xperia Play
Specs : Dreamcast = 200 MHz Hitachi SH4 RISC
PSP = MIPS R4000-based; clocked from 1 to 333 MHz
Xperia play # 1GHz Scorpion processor
Adreno 205 GPU
Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon chipset
512 Ram

I'd love it to happen but it won't, not to a playable level anyway, maybe the newest dual core devices could but if we can't even run the n64 and nds perfectly then dreamcast will be on another level.
The video shows how low the frame rate is on

I've read that developers got bored of developing that emu and stopped working on it. I think, it was somewhere on androidforums.

This project seems to be completely stalled. It's a pity, because at least Crazy Taxi seems to run mighty fine. I played Sonic Adventure flawlessly with nullDC on my desktop PC. Maybe a bounty could help to raise interest?
BTW, FK1983, the games may go a bit sloppy on there because it is an alpha version. I am sure a polished, well-functioning emulator should work on a Xperia Play. Probably it'll need to be overclocked for 100% speed, but there's no reason why it shouldn't work OOB.

Unless the source code is released by the manufactures we wont see it happen in this phones life time. It is possible but the amount of work and testing it will take is far to much. Even the PC's dreamcast emulator is sketchy at best. But there are miracles

I've been searching a bit for the project creator, and his trace seems to disappear from all his projects around February this year. I hope nothing bad occurred to him...

My old PC was a 2.2 ghz duo core with a 4670 ati.
It could emulate well up to Gamecube, which would slow down quite a bit.
If we could overclock the Play to 2ghz and we had a Play optimised Dreamcast emulator i believe it could be done.......just.
I have found Dreamcast emulation very problematic on the PC though. Mounting the discs and getting them to work properly is very cumbersome.
In all honesty, since we don't really have that great Dreamcast emulation on the PC, i think it highly unlikely to ever come out for mobile phones.

I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever see a DC emu for the Xperia. There are barely any good DC emulators for the PC, and most good emulators on devices like the Xperia are just optimized ports of PC versions.
It's theoretically possible since both systems run ARM-based architecture (though I'm not sure if the ARM chip in the DC would execute instructions that the Xperia could run as they might have changed drastically over the past decade), but it's theroetically possible, though still unlikely. Even with HLE, you're talking about trying to emulate a 200mhz system on a 1ghz one, that's a pretty damn tall order, and it would take some SERIOUS coding and optimizing to make it happen.
I hate to say it, but emu authors are hobbyists that do this for fun - they rarely have the time to devote to optimizing a emulator well enough to run within such narrow margins.
Just look a FPSE - even being a paid app and getting regular updates, it still doesn't run fullspeed and have accurate sound emulation or graphics filerting and the PSX is only 33mhz.

illuminerdi said:
I'm not terribly convinced we'll ever see a DC emu for the Xperia. There are barely any good DC emulators for the PC, and most good emulators on devices like the Xperia are just optimized ports of PC versions.
It's theoretically possible since both systems run ARM-based architecture (though I'm not sure if the ARM chip in the DC would execute instructions that the Xperia could run as they might have changed drastically over the past decade), but it's theroetically possible, though still unlikely. Even with HLE, you're talking about trying to emulate a 200mhz system on a 1ghz one, that's a pretty damn tall order, and it would take some SERIOUS coding and optimizing to make it happen.
I hate to say it, but emu authors are hobbyists that do this for fun - they rarely have the time to devote to optimizing a emulator well enough to run within such narrow margins.
Just look a FPSE - even being a paid app and getting regular updates, it still doesn't run fullspeed and have accurate sound emulation or graphics filerting and the PSX is only 33mhz.
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I agree with you except the fpse part. I have Tekken3 for example running at 66fps just because that is my vync.
But yeah a 200Mhz to run on a 1Ghz processor is not very likely feasible. Then again I would love to be wrong!

shaolin95 said:
I agree with you except the fpse part. I have Tekken3 for example running at 66fps just because that is my vync.
But yeah a 200Mhz to run on a 1Ghz processor is not very likely feasible. Then again I would love to be wrong!
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ye most games run great in fpse. i agree with you there
but try putting screen filtering on in fpse then look at the frame rate

I would most likely kill to be able to play Skies again, my dreamcast died a few years back and I get sad when I walk past my dreamcast games collection.

srsly, will there be a game like skies of arcadia in the next years ? that game was pure awsomeness

why couldent our phones play DC games? our phones is like almost 3 times more powerful then a DC,
i kinda wish the xperia play had the hummingbird cpu and gpu with a 4.3inch screen would pretty much be the same as a Psp 3000
(and come in white on verzion..... the white xperia is so sexy)

icebear8 said:
why couldent our phones play DC games? our phones is like almost 3 times more powerful then a DC,
i kinda wish the xperia play had the hummingbird cpu and gpu with a 4.3inch screen would pretty much be the same as a Psp 3000
(and come in white on verzion..... the white xperia is so sexy)
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In theory it could work reasonably well.
However I imagine it would mean reprogramming games to run natively on the phone.
This or emulating perfectly is simply too much work for a dev to do for free in his spare time.
For that reason I doubt it will ever happen.
Dreamcast emulation is still sketchy on the pc with alot of flaws.

dsswoosh said:
In theory it could work reasonably well.
However I imagine it would mean reprogramming games to run natively on the phone.
This or emulating perfectly is simply too much work for a dev to do for free in his spare time.
For that reason I doubt it will ever happen.
Dreamcast emulation is still sketchy on the pc with alot of flaws.
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In pcs like mine, a Core i7 920 at stock speed, i don't see any emulation flaws. In mine as NullDC as Demul run all games that are actually emulated, at full speed and without any slowdown.Even in the Naomi 2 ones, which has a more powerful GPU based in the same of Dreamcast, in Demul there are some bugs but almost all those games run at full speed and the hardware base it's the same of Dreamcast.I think that Xperia Play has no chances for the Dreamcast emulation, in the maximum psx games and N64 only overclocked, maybe the Galaxy S II have some chances of a reasonable emulation but not at full speed in some games like Dead or Alive 2. If it is in a phone with a Snapdragon S4 processor like the MSM8960 dual core at 1.5GHz more the Adreno 225 GPU, i think that it will be possible at full speed. This processor has almost 10000 MIPS of processing power, you remember that Dreamcast has 360MIPS despiste to be a console.

Duramajin said:
I would most likely kill to be able to play Skies again, my dreamcast died a few years back and I get sad when I walk past my dreamcast games collection.
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I have 2x brand new dreamcasts right now
A shop near me sells them for 10 dollars each with brand new cd drives (the part that failed the most on them)
anyways I have a game collection of around 500 games at the moment
Dreamcast was the best system ever I think
For sure one of my favorite
and saying the emulators are sketchy is a lie.
I've tested personally almost my whole collection on them and never had any problems with games
HOWEVER. i dont think the Xperia play will ever emulate a dreamcast well

that emu has been dead forever somone would have to pickup the project

Necrobump...

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Dont blame me I didn't bump it lol.

Thinking of getting one

Have an evo but I'm getting a Verizon dealer line. Is it worth it I'm a big gamer and will be getting an evo 3d to replace my evo. However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have. I'm also kind of worried about Sony portinhg enough stuff over to make it worth it.
Tho being able to run Rome on the built in emulator would be Perth awesome.
If I'm a huge gamer is it worth it. I really just want opinions on the device so any comments would be great.
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thorpe24 said:
Have an evo but I'm getting a Verizon dealer line. Is it worth it I'm a big gamer and will be getting an evo 3d to replace my evo. However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have. I'm also kind of worried about Sony portinhg enough stuff over to make it worth it.
Tho being able to run Rome on the built in emulator would be Perth awesome.
If I'm a huge gamer is it worth it. I really just want opinions on the device so any comments would be great.
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The evo 3Ds bootloader, recovery and kernel are locked down and signed, devs have said theres no way to get past it either lol so get a play
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Like games. Get a play. Simple.
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Thanks for the replies. I'm going to have two phones and figure the evo 3d would be pretty cool for some stuff. Hopefully I can use it to tether.... if not ill just use the play.
How well do the touchpads work?
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matknny said:
Like games. Get a play. Simple.
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I agree. This thing is Awesome and I'm so glad I moved from my iPhone to the X Play. Playing the old PSX games as well as the new games like the Spiderman is a lot better with the buttons.

thorpe24 said:
How well do the touchpads work?
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They take some getting use to but they work well.

thorpe24 said:
Thanks for the replies. I'm going to have two phones and figure the evo 3d would be pretty cool for some stuff. Hopefully I can use it to tether.... if not ill just use the play.
How well do the touchpads work?
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surprisingly they work a lot better than i thought.

thorpe24 said:
However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have.
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I dont think the hardware will be obsolete quick. With the controls alone you can play thousands of roms on emulators. Even if sony laggs on releases. FPSE works fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Uc10kZABg
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc vs LG Optimus 2x "Face Off". With the play and the arc being similiar id say its probably not to far off. The processor obviously would kick the plays arse. But at the moment dual core is not needed, only a few apps and games are tailored for it. What the point of all that power with nothing to use it.

Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.

RacecarBMW said:
Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.
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I totally agree with this. Just because it doesn't do well in benchmarks doesn't mean it's not faster in real world applications. My DroidX will smoke the Play in Quadrant. But if I were to do a side-by-side comparison on Dungeon Defenders, or load times, the Play will destroy it.
So for current processors, the Play has a very nice one indeed. Tegra is over-hyped in my book.
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RacecarBMW said:
Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.
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What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
It can hold it's own against the rest of the mid range phones (iphone 4, galaxy s, desire hd etc) at the moment but it isn't in the same league hardware wise compared to the high end devices appearing now.
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....

FK1983 said:
What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....
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Yeah but its all about optimization.
Lets look at my PC vs a PS2 for example.
PS2 Specs: 32mb RAM, CPU 300mhz EE, GPU GS 4mb
My PC: 12gb Trichannel RAM, CPU i7 4 cores, 2 threads each @ 2.7ghz, GPU ATi 5870 1gb GDDR5
^My PC spanks the HELL out of those specs, but guess what? Through emulation my PC can not even play all games smoothly.
The Xperia Play hardware and the chip sets mentioned above have a MUCH less difference.
Meaning...
Any games and software designed around the Xperia Play will look vastly superior and play vastly superior on the Play vs those other chip sets, and believe me being the only phone on the market that is ALSO a dedicated gaming platform means that the system will see games that are much much better than those other chip sets. The Play basically owns the gaming market by default right now, the support is going to be insane.

Im wanting one to i hope i can afford it
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FK1983 said:
What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
It can hold it's own against the rest of the mid range phones (iphone 4, galaxy s, desire hd etc) at the moment but it isn't in the same league hardware wise compared to the high end devices appearing now.
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....
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Tegra is nothing special you know, it's total clock speed is only 1ghz just like ours, just because is dual core dosent make it super amazing. and as have been proven by chainfire, the GPU is not much better than ours. anyway imo the play is not a mid range device, it is quite easy in the high end category

gunstar3035 said:
Yeah but its all about optimization.
Any games and software designed around the Xperia Play will look vastly superior and play vastly superior on the Play vs those other chip sets, and believe me being the only phone on the market that is ALSO a dedicated gaming platform means that the system will see games that are much much better than those other chip sets. The Play basically owns the gaming market by default right now, the support is going to be insane.
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You can say that about any device though, if a game is made for the samsung galaxy s 2 and is optimized for that devices hardware (the better cpu/gpu and ram) it would wipe the floor with the play version, same as ipad 2, atrix, lg optimus 2 etc.
And yes, the play has the gaming pad which hopefully will expand the life a bit of the device and mean we do get some decent support (I hope) but obviously it depends how the Play sells (not sounding great at the moment tbh)

AndroHero said:
Tegra is nothing special you know, it's total clock speed is only 1ghz just like ours, just because is dual core dosent make it super amazing. and as have been proven by chainfire, the GPU is not much better than ours. anyway imo the play is not a mid range device, it is quite easy in the high end category
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The play is NOT a high end device lol, it sits slap bang in the mid range hardware wise, check all the review sites, all of them class this device as a mid range device,
CNET UK:
All indications seem to be that the Play is a good mid-range smartphone. Whether you should choose it over any other phone will hinge entirely on how often you think you will want to play games on it.
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Single core 1ghz cpu (classed as mid range), adreno 205 gpu (while good still classed as mid range), ram is 512mb but has 378mb usable (classed as mid range, the desire s and desire hd even beat it with 768mb of ram), internal storage is 400mb (mid range), the screen is standard lcd (and not S-LCD or AMOLED etc) so is also mid range,
I knew the Xperia Play was a mid range device before I bought it, I have no issues about that, but it does make me laugh when people try and say it is high end when its nowhere near, check the reviews, check the specs, check the benchmarks, they ALL scream mid range!
And yes, the Play can play the recent Tegra 2 games using chainfire but remember those games are 1st generation Tegra 2 games, give it a few months and none of the Tegra 2 games will work on the Adreno 205 gpu, and theres games on tegra 2 already that won't even run on the Play due to the inferior gpu and ram on the Play (monster madness and bang bang racing for example) even with chainfire.

The X-Play is great the controls feel great minus the analogs they get a bit getting used to, at first I thought they were just broken. I had been having a few problems with the power button getting stuck when pressed but I just used a razor blade to shave the sides of the cover and it works just fine. The auto bright feature is just annoying due to it constantly changing hope an update will allow to turn off auto bright. Gaming on it is enjoyable especially at work when nothing is going on. Battery life last me about 6 hours of gaming it could be better but once r800x model can be rooted to uninstall verizon's bloatware and auto bright disabled battery life just be greatly extended.

S4Pro Adreno 320 vs 360/PS3

I assume that the S4 Pro is MUCH faster than anything used in the xbox and ps2. I assume its faster than the 360 and ps3. Is that really the case though? The games look like crap on the current gen consoles and many mobile games are catching up. From a purely specs perspective is the Adreno 320/S4 Pro superior?

I would seriously doubt that but i don't know enough to say that for sure. Sure mobile CPUs are pretty good but they are limited by their thermal envelopes.

Compared to the PS3? NO. the cell processor is very advanced even if it's partly locked down. (there are 2-3 cells that aren't used)
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Very advanced for 7 years ago. This is 2013 and the S4 Pro has more cores/ram/gpu cores. The PS3 games cant even run in 720p. Most games are upscaled from 960x540.

Eric-1987 said:
Very advanced for 7 years ago. This is 2013 and the S4 Pro has more cores/ram/gpu cores. The PS3 games cant even run in 720p. Most games are upscaled from 960x540.
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Can't be more wrong. It hasn't got more CPU and GPU cores. It has more RAM but the PS3 doesn't have to run Android. Also, very few PS3 games run at qHD res. One game is Black Ops, but it does this because it runs 60 FPS. Most games nowadays render at 720p or near it.
Also, I have yet to see a mobile game that comes even close to PS3 games nowadays. Maybe some mobile games look better than some PS3 release titles, but that's it.
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Yes it does. The PS3 cell processor is single core. The 360 CPU is tri core. And the PS3 runs a form of Linux.

Does it really even matter? If you bought your phone as an alternative to a gaming console or handheld gaming device you bought it for the wrong reason.
Also if you want to compare specs, compare a PS3 or XBox 360 to a phone that came out 7 years ago.

Eric-1987 said:
Yes it does. The PS3 cell processor is single core. The 360 CPU is tri core. And the PS3 runs a form of Linux.
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There is a single PPE and 8 SPE-s. One SPE is used by the OS and one is locked.
Yes, it does run a form of Linux, but what I originally meant was that its footprint is very small, it only consumes 20-30 MB of RAM compared to Android which needs several hundred MB-s and also CPU power to run background services.
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Yes it does. The PS3 cell processor is single core. The 360 CPU is tri core. And the PS3 runs a form of Linux.
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Umm i thought the Cell processor was a "7" core device at 3.2Ghz to boot. Not that clock speed is everything but it puts out 218 G-FLOPS while the 550Mhz GPU (RSX) puts oput 1.8 T-Flops. The Adreno 225 does 12.8 G-FLOPS.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/11
According to the that page, the iPhone 5 GPU is similar to the Adreno 320 and that does 19.2 G-FLOPS. WAAAAY less than the 1.8 (or read 1800 ) T-FLOPS of the RSX.
VRAM data rates are ~20GB/s vs 8GB/s
So yeah, guess we can say that's done for.

shotta35 said:
Umm i thought the Cell processor was a "7" core device at 3.2Ghz to boot. Not that clock speed is everything but it puts out 218 G-FLOPS while the 550Mhz GPU (RSX) puts oput 1.8 T-Flops. The Adreno 225 does 12.8 G-FLOPS.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/11
According to the that page, the iPhone 5 GPU is similar to the Adreno 320 and that does 19.2 G-FLOPS. WAAAAY less than the 1.8 (or read 1800 ) T-FLOPS of the RSX.
VRAM data rates are ~20GB/s vs 8GB/s
So yeah, guess we can say that's done for.
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Exactly all this.
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shotta35 said:
Umm i thought the Cell processor was a "7" core device at 3.2Ghz to boot. Not that clock speed is everything but it puts out 218 G-FLOPS while the 550Mhz GPU (RSX) puts oput 1.8 T-Flops. The Adreno 225 does 12.8 G-FLOPS.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6330/the-iphone-5-review/11
According to the that page, the iPhone 5 GPU is similar to the Adreno 320 and that does 19.2 G-FLOPS. WAAAAY less than the 1.8 (or read 1800 ) T-FLOPS of the RSX.
VRAM data rates are ~20GB/s vs 8GB/s
So yeah, guess we can say that's done for.
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So if thats the case then mobile technology isn't ANYWHERE CLOSE to desktop PC's. My PC DESTROYS a PS3 without even thinking twice. Its like an ant vs my boot.

Eric-1987 said:
So if thats the case then mobile technology isn't ANYWHERE CLOSE to desktop PC's. My PC DESTROYS a PS3 without even thinking twice. Its like an ant vs my boot.
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Correct

The N4 is more powerful than a PS2/Xbox though right? My old SGS4G could play PS1 games without flinching.

Eric-1987 said:
The N4 is more powerful than a PS2/Xbox though right? My old SGS4G could play PS1 games without flinching.
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Pretty sure it's more powerful than either the PS2 or Xbox, but there's no way it would ever emulate them if that's what you're getting at there
Not to mention, the Android OS uses a lot of resources, unlike a simpler console such as those

No way does the RSX put out 1.8 Tflops....
It's basically 6800SLI which gets nowhere near that, the 580 doesn't even get that lol.
The Cell is an overhyped CPU that failed to deliver and in reality CPUs like the 360s Xeon and the I7s we have today are so much better for gaming. Developers just complain about the amount of code the Cell needs compared to conventional CPUs and how it takes too much time. Doesn't matter what you say about it in theory, in practice it costs too much money to develop on and it cost Sony the console war. Fact is we've not see the PS3 out perform the 360, the GPU inside the 360 can push more pixels, has access to more memory too. Games like uncharted use so much trickery to make them look good, I don't understand why people make a big deal out of it, have you seen the obviously jpeg like skyboxes all over it?
Graphics wise the phones are already there, what they lack in power they make up for in memory and new shaders and features to make the games look better. Mobile GPUs also push games at higher framerates and use AA which consoles lack most of the time due to memory constraints. Instead their games use post processing effects which blur everything out and make it look ****. Also mobile games run at 60FPS where as most console games are around 30fps or even lower.
CPU wise mobiles are getting there but still far off, we see the next gen of Arm chips getting close to the I3.
The biggest constraint of the Mobiles though is battery.

Eric-1987 said:
The N4 is more powerful than a PS2/Xbox though right? My old SGS4G could play PS1 games without flinching.
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Give it up already. On paper the N4 is great and all for what it is, but it can't compete with a gaming console. Try hooking up your phone to a big screen hdtv and see how it compares graphics wise to a gaming console if you have one. After all, the SGS4G doesn't have a disc drive on it so I don't know how you could play a PS1 game one it. You must only be playing pirated games via a 3 or 4 inch screen to come to the assumption that a cell phone comes close to any of the current gaming consoles graphics wise. Afterall, there is a reason they make cell phones, dvd/bluray players, video game consoles, tvs, etc... They each have their own benefits.

Lets be honest, PS3 games are absolutely shocking. They have so much screen tear, not to mention the actual graphics are completely and utterly awful. It takes an age to load, even it's own dashboard. Xbox 360 is better but still, consoles we have today are absolutely light years behind PC's and even the processors we have in our phones outshine them.
You can quote all the nonsense giga flop teraflop data you want, you would be all talking out your behinds because consoles struggle with the games they have, and with skyrim as an example, are completely and utterly chopped down to run, when compared to the unlocked PC versions with the proper textures.
I have yet to find a PS3 game to run in 1080p which is what it should be coping with, and the 720p games are awful both performance wise, and graphics wise.
As for mobiles on a big screen tv, the LG optimus 3G hooked up to 40 inch hd tv gaming is absolutely brilliant, look it up.
Xbox 360 is much much faster than the PS3 and actually does have better graphics it can handle and probably gives the Nexus a beating on the graphics side, but loading and general useage as a pc and it'd be useless.

Venekor said:
No way does the RSX put out 1.8 Tflops....
It's basically 6800SLI which gets nowhere near that, the 580 doesn't even get that lol.
The Cell is an overhyped CPU that failed to deliver and in reality CPUs like the 360s Xeon and the I7s we have today are so much better for gaming. Developers just complain about the amount of code the Cell needs compared to conventional CPUs and how it takes too much time. Doesn't matter what you say about it in theory, in practice it costs too much money to develop on and it cost Sony the console war. Fact is we've not see the PS3 out perform the 360, the GPU inside the 360 can push more pixels, has access to more memory too. Games like uncharted use so much trickery to make them look good, I don't understand why people make a big deal out of it, have you seen the obviously jpeg like skyboxes all over it?
Graphics wise the phones are already there, what they lack in power they make up for in memory and new shaders and features to make the games look better. Mobile GPUs also push games at higher framerates and use AA which consoles lack most of the time due to memory constraints. Instead their games use post processing effects which blur everything out and make it look ****. Also mobile games run at 60FPS where as most console games are around 30fps or even lower.
CPU wise mobiles are getting there but still far off, we see the next gen of Arm chips getting close to the I3.
The biggest constraint of the Mobiles though is battery.
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Regarding GPU power: Nowadays it's still ~ a factor of 10. It is a really rough number but I often measured something like this when comparing GPU performance of iOS/Android devices and consoles/mid PC systems. Modern games still do a lot more than mobile games regarding rendering (shadows, global illumination, screen scape effects like SSAO, etc, etc). But mobile GPUs will get better and better. See e.g. the roadmap from NVIDIA and the comparison with current console generation:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...el-performance-from-mobile-gpus-in-2013-2014/

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Lets be honest, PS3 games are absolutely shocking. They have so much screen tear, not to mention the actual graphics are completely and utterly awful. It takes an age to load, even it's own dashboard. Xbox 360 is better but still, consoles we have today are absolutely light years behind PC's and even the processors we have in our phones outshine them.
You can quote all the nonsense giga flop teraflop data you want, you would be all talking out your behinds because consoles struggle with the games they have, and with skyrim as an example, are completely and utterly chopped down to run, when compared to the unlocked PC versions with the proper textures.
I have yet to find a PS3 game to run in 1080p which is what it should be coping with, and the 720p games are awful both performance wise, and graphics wise.
As for mobiles on a big screen tv, the LG optimus 3G hooked up to 40 inch hd tv gaming is absolutely brilliant, look it up.
Xbox 360 is much much faster than the PS3 and actually does have better graphics it can handle and probably gives the Nexus a beating on the graphics side, but loading and general useage as a pc and it'd be useless.
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Actually PS3 has v-sync enabled for lots of games which means no screen tear.
And no, the Xbox doesn't have better graphics. If Uncharted wasn't enough, take a look at Heavy Rain or The Last of Us.
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noname81 said:
Regarding GPU power: Nowadays it's still ~ a factor of 10. It is a really rough number but I often measured something like this when comparing GPU performance of iOS/Android devices and consoles/mid PC systems. Modern games still do a lot more than mobile games regarding rendering (shadows, global illumination, screen scape effects like SSAO, etc, etc). But mobile GPUs will get better and better. See e.g. the roadmap from NVIDIA and the comparison with current console generation:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...el-performance-from-mobile-gpus-in-2013-2014/
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Got to agree with this. Mobile games often have just a lot of pointless effects which make them look beautiful.
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