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I just upgraded to an Inspire. The main reason I did is because of HTC Sense. I love the look and feel of it and don't like using any other kind of UI on my phone. However, I also love having the best there is...so here is my question.
Is it possible to get HTC Sense onto the Atrix with just a root? Or will a cracked bootloader the key to doing that?
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A locked bootloader would likely not prove to be a problem, but the porting of the framework would almost certainly be very difficult since Sense cannot function without the full custom HTC framework.
Okay. Well I guess I should look and see if there any Sense ports to Motorola devices then. Would the port have to be device-specific? Or would a port to an older Motorola device work just as well?
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to get sense running on a non-HTC device, you would need a custom kernel (which a locked bootloader won't allow) with a custom bootclasspath in init.rc. you would also need to bring over all the HTC Sense framework with modified binaries to support your platform (android hardware legacy binaries) and modify egl.cfg to support the GPU in the phone. after that, there's of course other hardware lib's that would need to be modified to get GPS and bluetooth working (usually through more hex hacking) and, last but not least, decompiling and recompiling the sense framework to interface properly with the RIL.
so basically you'd have to overcome a (potentially/likely) locked bootloader and troubleshoot constantly to figure out what's wrong with each piece of hardware in the device (feasible, but long and frustrating). there are several devices out there that aren't intended to run Sense that do (the OG droid/milestone being one), and the process is long and complicated. jamezelle (who ported Sense to the droid/milestone) helped us ATTEMPT to port it to the SGS devices (myself and rafyvitto on the Captivate) and it ended up being more than either of us could handle and died.
That sounds like a complete pain in the a** lol. At least you gave it a shot. That's a lot more than I would be capable of doing. But oh well then...I guess I will have to wait for an HTC device with a dual or quad core chip and in the mean time, I can have a blast with my Inspire. Thank you both for your quick feedback.
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what exactly do you want from sense? you can mimic a bunch of it with other launchers and widgets. Launcher pro has a bunch of sense like widgets, and Beautiful Widgets will give you a couple more. You won't have the sense launcher bar, or lock screen, but to be honest i think those are crap.
cegna09 said:
what exactly do you want from sense? you can mimic a bunch of it with other launchers and widgets. Launcher pro has a bunch of sense like widgets, and Beautiful Widgets will give you a couple more. You won't have the sense launcher bar, or lock screen, but to be honest i think those are crap.
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Exactly, With Launcher Pro Plus you basically get all the sense widgets, and there is a theme to make it look exactly the same as SenseUI.
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Exactly, With Launcher Pro Plus you basically get all the sense widgets, and there is a theme to make it look exactly the same as SenseUI.
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What is the theme called? interesting
OK but how can we get rid of MotoBlur completely and put launcher pro on the basic android? Does it need root or unlocked bootloader?
sservati said:
OK but how can we get rid of MotoBlur completely and put launcher pro on the basic android? Does it need root or unlocked bootloader?
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LauncherPro is just an alternative launcher, just install it from the marketplace >_>
motoblur isn't JUST a launcher, it's a whole framework. just like sense is a framework and launcher. removing motoblur is far more involved than changing launchers...
Another thing to consider is the legality of doing so.
Android is open source, but Sense is proprietary. In principles HTC can take legal action even for those devs who are making their custom roms loaded with Sense. But so far HTC has not done so, and I kind of feel that HTC is relatively open (relative to other manufacturers, like Motorola) to devs customizing their phones.
But as you said, Sense is the reason why you are getting the Inspire 4G, it is a valuable piece of proprietary to HTC. Once people go crazy and start porting Sense to every other major competing devices, it's only a matter of time before HTC starts issuing cease and desist letters to all the devs.
I would like to see this happen i would donate but only if it wasnt ridiculously buggy...would have to be somewhat stable
Yea. TBH at this point I am ACTUALLY considering Telus Desire HD instead of Atrix on bell simply because of sense.
Its not only the great looking widgets... but the various built in applications and the design of interface that looks much more nicer imo.
Sense brings ALOT of usability to android, and Personally.... I cant run Clean Android.
Only reason I pick up android is BECAUSE of sense. So... would donate if its possible, otherwise will wait for HTC dual core or will get Desire HD.
Battery life on any sense device is horendous...i got the desire hd on telus for my girlfriend and it last ok for her but if your a power user that 1350mah battery is going to die really fast especially at hsdpa
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why is this one of the first things posted in dev sections? Sense sucks.
Sense doesn't suck lol. It's very customizable and flows pretty well. I haven't tried launcher pro but I'll definitely check it out and see if I like it. I've heard others say good things about it, but as I've said previously, I'm just very used to Sense.
Oh and about battery life. I get just over a days charge with moderate use, ie. Wi-Fi, HSPA, games, GPS, and about an hour of talk-time. I charge my phone every night regardless of how much battery life is left.
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Sense is really sluggish..
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SN4K3B1T3 said:
Sense is really sluggish..
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Not on this phone. There is no lag and everything flows extremely well.
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slapdaddy said:
Not on this phone. There is no lag and everything flows extremely well.
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I had to oc my desire z all the way to 1.2 or 1.4 cuz it would run really lagy...now on cm7 with way more apps and widgets at 1.1 and its way smoother than sense ever was for me
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SN4K3B1T3 said:
I had to oc my desire z all the way to 1.2 or 1.4 cuz it would run really lagy...now on cm7 with way more apps and widgets at 1.1 and its way smoother than sense ever was for me
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That's a lot of overclock. This is at stock 1GHz and is very smooth...no problems here. I'm wondering what 1.2 would do on the Inspire.
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I've switched from HTC Diamond2 (windows mobile 6.5x) to S/E Arc, and I miss the HTC interface.
Is it possible to load the android equivalent to this hardware?
Get beautiful widget + Sense theme for ADW launcher
vegetaleb said:
Get beautiful widget + Sense theme for ADW launcher
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thanks
Thanks vegetaleb for the reply! I see that it is possible to mimic the home screen layout really well. However, what Im looking for was the part of Sense that handled calendar related stuff like booking a meeting. In detail, I liked how the clock was changed like it was on a spinning wheel - which made it possible to change the time really fast. Maybe there is something similar in the Android world?
I am missing some Sense apps as well, like the slide down Alarm that you will never find in other apps, if it was a Nexus One with 90% same components as HTC own phones you can ''port'' Sense into it by a custom rom, but when the hardwares are totally different here it's very difficult to do it.
SGS devs tried to port Desire rom but they never could, and they tried hard...
I hope you didn't see the new Sense 3.0, you will return to HTC once Sensation is out
vegetaleb said:
I am missing some Sense apps as well, like the slide down Alarm that you will never find in other apps, if it was a Nexus One with 90% same components as HTC own phones you can ''port'' Sense into it by a custom rom, but when the hardwares are totally different here it's very difficult to do it.
SGS devs tried to port Desire rom but they never could, and they tried hard...
I hope you didn't see the new Sense 3.0, you will return to HTC once Sensation is out
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The phones hardware is identical to (apart from smaller storage,screen etc) to the Desire HD, it would be very portable to this device although the smaller storage would make it harder.
Small storage is not a problem, on N1 the DHD port was working great thanks to EXT3 of 1gb on SD
I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
I personally despise sense and hope HTC starts to give us little android virgins, but I am sure for marketing purposes they will keep cramming there software on there products so they have some claim to originality.
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I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
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We can but live in hope, and maybe they will make the apps user removable too
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We can but live in hope, and maybe they will make the apps user removable too
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ICS has a feature that all apps can be disabled (equivalent to 'freezing' in titanium backup - not removed but can't run)
SupaAvenger79 said:
I personally despise sense and hope HTC starts to give us little android virgins, but I am sure for marketing purposes they will keep cramming there software on there products so they have some claim to originality.
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If you root you can have anything you like - try CM7 (and when released, CM9 with ICS).
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I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
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What kind of functionality did sense add? It was very pretty and the widgets were very good (calendar, for example) - but did it add any extra features?
I actually like Sense. Of all "major frameworks" like TouchWize and Blur and what not, Sense comes on TOP (my opinion only).
Now, can we live without sense? Perfectly.
Will HTC abandon Sense in ICS? Doubt it.
P.S. i run a rom with Sense daily... so.. biased
I hope so. I hate sense. I only like the widgets and the social network integration on the contacts app. After getting rid of sense my phone became faster and battery lasts longer.
But now, the stock launcher and features of ICS is better than sense. Even the widgets looks better now.
But i doubt they will remove sense 100%. I just wish that they won't be changing the stock ICS UI that much.
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I hope so. I hate sense. I only like the widgets and the social network integration on the contacts app. After getting rid of sense my phone became faster and battery lasts longer.
But now, the stock launcher and features of ICS is better than sense. Even the widgets looks better now.
But i doubt they will remove sense 100%. I just wish that they won't be changing the stock ICS UI that much.
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This is my point! Pick Sense, remove social integration, custom widgets, dialer, sms app, and all the other minor things, and yout get AOSP. And the you miss those things.
I agree, Sense IS HEAVY. But for what it does, it's the best. How many apps would one have to install on AOSP to get the full sense functionality? And how slower would that device be with that amount of apps interchaining themselves?
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in short. ditch sense for the ICS UI
HTC will always add there own interpretation on what they think Ice Cream Sandwich will look like, and that is the way it is. But what I do hope is that they build on top of what Google has done instead of stripping everything out.
For example, mail apps, people apps are not stock and they should try to keep it true to what Google intended and maybe use the API that are exposed by Google to add there on stuff on top.
Also they should try to build a launcher that is not so heavy integrated to how the whole OS works, instead decouple it away so if there are updates needed to the OS it can fit nicely on top.
So no I don't think Sense will fade away, but I do hope the way they implement it is as close to stock as possible, just adding features on top of it.
i don't see the point in complaining about this since pretty much all of us here on this forum have the ability to root and just install vanilla ROM, or whatever you want
for the average user (NOT US!) HTC don't seem to do a pretty decent job with Sense, since developers here can prepare some very highly optimised versions. What i would prefer is for HTC to look at the ROMs present over here and take note.
I run RCMix HD sense 3.5 daily without any problems at all and while comparing it to my brother's iPhone 4, 9 times outta 10 this ROM is as smooth as or even smoother, and lets be fair as far as UI customisations go, HTC are alot further ahead than everyone else, but if they realise the potential in their own skin as the developers have shown, they could take a really hard fight to Apple as far as usability goes (hopefully with less lawsuits than samsung have).
HTC is not gonna remove sense 100%, as they mentioned before they gonna take it to next level sense 4.
So get ready
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Id tend to agree,the divide looks split with sense,personally i like sense. I tried cyn but reverted back,its different coming from say galaxy s to sense,you wont like it as much its your starting point dependant. Anyway yeah htc will continue. Nice
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HTC do something different with Sense and it's one of the reasons I (and others I know) bought an Android phone over another platform. The Sense UI seems to be much better than Touchwiz etc. (tried on Galaxy SII and was not a fan) - phones are a very personal choice at the end of the day and with Android we are a bit spoilt for choice between manufacturers.
Whatever HTC do now that Ice Cream Sandwich is inbound I look forward to their progress as they seem to be my preferred manufacturer right now, if I don't like what they come up with then I can always opt for the Galaxy Nexus or (judging by XDA currently) end up rooting and put stock a ICS ROM on there anyways.
I'm using sense and I must say I like it, when I saw the ics video launch it looked really similar to sense.
I really want to see what HTC is going to do and I hope it won't take too long...
Mymy, i love Sense, i have a Sense ROM in my phone everyday! I always thought that stock Android is ugly, but after i've seen ICS, i am ready to switch to ICS without regrets !
i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
The way is see it,if we are going to build some thing to have integration of various different aspects of using your phone with third party applications you are bound to have a heck up here or there but then its quite hard to see those kinda of heck ups happening on any these sense roms even on the beta one's ! so i guess coming from a sony branded x10 with there stupid philosophy and launcher , i believe integration and stability are the key factors of sense, the only other rom that i found such level of integration sans few heck ups are the MIUI roms but then there always the battery drain issue on them.
So as for ICS i believe HTC should try to carry the kind of integration they have sans the resource hunger nature of sense launcher , take some notes from other oem launchers like touchwiz where the complete os experience is not themed.
Just my observations
Actually i like sense but stock ICS looks promising to me. Would love to see a stock ICS with some sense widgets tho
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i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
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Exactly. I love how light and smooth CM feels but its just a whole lot more easier and convenient to have everything put on a platter in front of you....like Sense does. Especially with the social integration aspect in the people app and the calender.
Although an AOSP ICS Rom night change all of that for good. We do seem to have improvements in the contacts and calender apps.
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srikanth.naidu said:
i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
The way is see it,if we are going to build some thing to have integration of various different aspects of using your phone with third party applications you are bound to have a heck up here or there but then its quite hard to see those kinda of heck ups happening on any these sense roms even on the beta one's ! so i guess coming from a sony branded x10 with there stupid philosophy and launcher , i believe integration and stability are the key factors of sense, the only other rom that i found such level of integration sans few heck ups are the MIUI roms but then there always the battery drain issue on them.
So as for ICS i believe HTC should try to carry the kind of integration they have sans the resource hunger nature of sense launcher , take some notes from other oem launchers like touchwiz where the complete os experience is not themed.
Just my observations
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Agree with this post totally... but what I am hoping now is that ICS is much better on a UI point of view that HTC would not need to change so much of the OS and just tweak it a bit to add a bit of differential. This hopefully mean that it won't be so heavy. But then saying so, HW acceleration will help so much in transitions on the UI that maybe it won't feel as heavy.
I feel HTC should add on top of the existing UI instead of stripping and re-writing most of the Google Code.
Sense is definitely one of the best UI customizations available for Android. The focus on social integration is its biggest strength. At the same time its so heavy that it brings my phone to a standstill sometimes, which makes me want to just go back to AOSP now and then.
To get to the point, I doubt HTC will let Sense fade away that easily. It is their identity, and as MrKaon already mentioned, they're going to take it to the next level. Because ICS has a lot of that functionality now built in, I'm hoping HTC will rework Sense to make it much lighter. I'm eager to see what more they do with it !
Just wondering what people like about sense and any/all of the sense roms? I don't mean this to bash anybody's favorite rom and definitely not bashing any developers, I respect all the time and effort that's gone into any custom rom. I just wanted to know what I'm missing and/or if I just haven't given any enough quality time yet. Every time I've tried one it's just seemed a bit laggy and slow compared with some of the other rom's I've tried based on cm7. Again, don't start flaming me, I want to hear objective, reasonable reasons why you sense people like it.
The last time I used Sense was on my HTC Hero before I tried CyanogenMod. What I think Sense does right is it provides a UI and functionality where everything just works the way you would expect them to, without needing additional tweaking or apps. For example, there is no denying that the HTC dialer is infinitely superior to the AOSP dialer. I find it incredibly ironic that a glorious top-of-the-line smart phone cannot do something like smart (T9) dialing of contacts, something every single dumbphone can do. Also, since the beginning of Sense, the mail, phone, and text messaging icons automatically display an unread count badge on them, which I think everyone can appreciate. If you want that in AOSP you have to install separate widgets (like SMS Unread Count) or different home launchers that pretty much only enthusiasts would look for. HTC Sense also gives power controls and other shortcuts in the notification pull-down whereas stock AOSP does not (unless you're using CyanogenMod, which again, is only for enthusiasts). Also, I imagine that people also like the overall refined look (clean, dual-tone textures) that Sense provides over AOSP's rather plain and basic look. Just my two cents.
i hate sense but i can't live without it
For me it is all about lack of lag and uptime, plus a rotating rosie that works great - so i'm back on Virtuous 1.0.2
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bradley_e_smith said:
For me it is all about lack of lag and uptime, plus a rotating rosie that works great - so i'm back on Virtuous 1.0.2
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Sense 2.1???????
Like sense 2.1.. Coz its smooth ui then android platform ui..
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Z!GZA!G said:
Sense 2.1???????
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Yes, 2.1 running froyo
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The ONLY thing i miss about Sense is the zoom function of most included camcorder apk's. Not sure if it's something that can ONLY be achieved with sense but I've never seen it on non sense roms.
- Calender
- Clock app ( alarm, timer, stop watch) all in one
- contextual menus
I dont use sense launcher, I more like launcher pro.
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I just love Sense, tried other ROM's but couldn't get used to the UI which was a bit boring. Of course you can modify it all yourself, but I like the ready-to-go package Sense provides me. Now running Virtuous Affinity and Sense 3.5 looks great!
I wonder if it's what you get used to, in other words I wonder if I gave it more time and forced myself to use it for an extended period I'd get to like it more?
Sense is great for its integration with the ROM. in other words, if you prefer to have a GUI and sense's style happens to click with you, then it's awesome.
ofcourse. the dialer is best.
One thing I really really like about Sense : Internet passthrough. This needs to be in every ROM IMHO...
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One thing I really really like about Sense : Internet passthrough. This needs to be in every ROM IMHO...
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i thought it is in every custom rom out there?? or atleast most of them...
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i thought it is in every custom rom out there?? or atleast most of them...
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Internet passthrough =/= tethering. Internet passthrough is when you plug your phone through the USB to your PC and uses your PC's connection. Tethering is using your phone's data FOR the PC.
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I just love Sense, tried other ROM's but couldn't get used to the UI which was a bit boring. Of course you can modify it all yourself, but I like the ready-to-go package Sense provides me. Now running Virtuous Affinity and Sense 3.5 looks great!
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Yeah, the same to me. i like sense because it seems so cool and there are so many functions that i have never imagined before. So i think sense 3.5 and other coming sense will be greater
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Internet passthrough =/= tethering. Internet passthrough is when you plug your phone through the USB to your PC and uses your PC's connection. Tethering is using your phone's data FOR the PC.
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I know the difference between both. I could've sworn the older roms that I use for the DZ offered internet passthrough as well. I wasn't referring to tethering.
when it WORKS (as in doesn't encounter force closing) it is one of the smoothest and most intuitive interface's i've ever seen. I'll admit, it has problems and is still in need of work, it does take some CPU and RAM away from other things but over-all it is a beautiful UI and one of the most interesting and beautiful UIs of all of the custom ones out there. Now, with that said, I don't mean to say that the other's aren't nice.. however other companies just haven't gone as far into making a different and flowing interface
I like the look of sense but I just can't get past the lag.
I tried the two versions of 3.5 out there recently and they were so slow they were basically unusable. I tried with swap and enabled and without and overclocked up to almost 1500 and it still was so slow.
(used superwipe, etc before/between flashes)
2.1 ran a bit quicker but I still found it laggy and there were always odd things that did not work for me.
What was ironic is there was no "problems" at all with the 3.5 that i ran across as far as bugs, reboots, etc , it was just slow.
If one could even approach the speed of stock or cyanogen I would gladly use it.
It all about the widgets (Email especially ) that HTC provides on the sense I like.
So theres already almost every launcher available right now on any device, TouchWiz (Why you would want that is beyond me), the Xperia Launcher which is actually really sweet, and the LG G2 launcher has been added recently with an array of features, is there anyone that can port the Sense5 launcher from the HTC One, i know the widgets and things like that are part of the actual framework implemented by HTC so that prob wont work but apart from that is there a way to port over the base launcher atleast? Every other launcher can be done so why not Sense?
P.S. Please dont say why dont i just use nova/apex with a Sense theme or anything like that, they dont look as good, look out of place with different screen sizes and they dont work in the same way, it annoys me when people always say that :S
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So theres already almost every launcher available right now on any device, TouchWiz (Why you would want that is beyond me), the Xperia Launcher which is actually really sweet, and the LG G2 launcher has been added recently with an array of features, is there anyone that can port the Sense5 launcher from the HTC One, i know the widgets and things like that are part of the actual framework implemented by HTC so that prob wont work but apart from that is there a way to port over the base launcher atleast? Every other launcher can be done so why not Sense?
P.S. Please dont say why dont i just use nova/apex with a Sense theme or anything like that, they dont look as good, look out of place with different screen sizes and they dont work in the same way, it annoys me when people always say that :S
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It needs the htcframework which is notoriously hard to port to other devices.
GalaxySN00B:0 said:
So theres already almost every launcher available right now on any device, TouchWiz (Why you would want that is beyond me), the Xperia Launcher which is actually really sweet, and the LG G2 launcher has been added recently with an array of features, is there anyone that can port the Sense5 launcher from the HTC One, i know the widgets and things like that are part of the actual framework implemented by HTC so that prob wont work but apart from that is there a way to port over the base launcher atleast? Every other launcher can be done so why not Sense?
P.S. Please dont say why dont i just use nova/apex with a Sense theme or anything like that, they dont look as good, look out of place with different screen sizes and they dont work in the same way, it annoys me when people always say that :S
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It's nearly impossible , tho some guys from s4 managed to port the whole system lol , you might wanna take a look if they could share the info how they did it , tho don't expect even if it gets ported it'll ever work , most of the stuff are and will be broken , mainly hardware related stuff.
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