Hi,
Yesterday I used my Note 4 charger on other phone, and I heard a "click" when I plugged it, now I think I damage it. I searched but didn't find how many pins the charger has.
So, I would appreciate if anyone can take a picture of the charger pins or tell me if mine is normal.
Thank you.
PS: Sorry about my english grammar.
yes this is why i use a Qi wireless charger for all my phones. i destroyed the microusb port on my last phone by plugging it in backwards after 5 years of usage. the click noise is the connector breaking.
there are 5 pins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#mediaviewer/File:Types-usb_th1.svg
Connector is only rated for a few thousand plugs/unplugs which is why you should use a Qi wireless charger.
I made a test and it charged from 32% to 64% in 25 minutes with 4G on and sharing with 1 device. I guess it's normal. Am I wrong?
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Thank you. I was thinking that black space between the pins exists only on mine.
zurkx said:
i destroyed the microusb port on my last phone by plugging it in backwards after 5 years of usage.
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Respect, for applying brutal force.
the click noise is the connector breaking.
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The click is the tiny hooks at the connector mating it's counterparts.
there are 5 pins.
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There are 4 as you can clearly see in the pictures shown in this thread. Shall I take another one ?
You have one missing pin. Cable still working for charging but most likely wont work for data transfer and may not work for adaptive charging. Just replace cable with new one if you need data transfer.
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darekz said:
You have one missing pin. Cable still working for charging but most likely wont work for data transfer and may not work for adaptive charging. Just replace cable with new one if you need data transfer.
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Today, I saw a vehicle with missing seats !!!
It had ONE instead of FOUR or FIVE !
It was a bicycle.
But ALL vehicles have four or five or even more seats, so the bicycle must be defective !
If you wish to move from one place to another, you urgently need to swap that bicycle with something having four or five seats !!!
(Did I make my sarcasm clear ?)
Let's get serious, guys...
That "missing" pin is the so-called "ID" pin.
It's purpose is to tell if the connected devices is a host device or a peripheral device.
If pin 4 is connected with ground, it's a host device. If the connection is open (like with our charging cable), it's a peripheral device.
That's all magic.
And that's the reason why OTG cables add that pin 4 for defining a smartphone as a host device.
It has nothing (repeat: NOTHING) to do with a cable's qualification for transmitting data or not.
For all those not accepting being wrong (hello, z...) and thinking about opening a can of worms: Try a simple Google search for "USB pin assignment" - or take the easy way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Mini_and_Micro_connectors
And it's quite similar with many, many other connectors - like serial, SCART and the like. A lot of spare pins. Leaving out saves the manufacturer money by saving a wire in the cable; that's the main reason.
Nothing wrong with your cables.
I didnt spend time researching the subject and I use words "most likely". If I'm wrong then I apologize. Personaly I would spend $ 3 for replacement cable from monoprice just to take my mind of unneeded missing pin.
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ignore Cheftroll as usual.
you have a broken pin.
heres my AFC cable direct from samsung. 5 pins. no question.
BTW i find it amazing the note 4 camera can capture a close up like that. lol.
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You asked for it again, so prepare for your Waterloo # 4.
heres my AFC cable direct from samsung. 5 pins. no question.
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You didn't notice you took a photo of the wrong cable ? Our charger cable's plug doesn't have an oval cross section.
I repeat it just for you: That "missing" pin is just for identifying if a device is a HOST or PERIPHERAL device. If a device is not intented to be used as a host device, the cable does not need any means for signalling it's state. Have a look at the net, look it up at Wikipedia or any other source except one: You.
BTW i find it amazing the note 4 camera can capture a close up like that. lol.
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It's amazing you didn't manage to take a phote which is not overexposed and clearly shows the pins.
As said: WRONG CABLE. So please stop trying to mislead people.
Here's a quite delicate offer for you: I'll show you in an uncut video that the plain normal charger cable with FOUR pins is perfectly suited for charging AND data connection. I'll show you the cable and it's plug with that "missing" pin, I'll then connect it with KIES on a PC without any cuts.
If I am right, you pay me 50 Euros. If I am wrong, I will pay you 100 Euros (about 115 US $). Fair enough ?
If I win, I'll donate that 50 Euros to XDA. If you win, you can simply keep my 100 Euros.
An offer you just cannot resist: All readers of this thread are waiting for your decision.
So take this challenge - or just close your big mouth forever.
This offer is serious: I WILL pay you 100 Euros if the standard charger cable with the "missing" pin does not work for data transmission. No strings attached.
[BIG grin]
To other readers who might wonder why I take such big steps: That person spreads wrong information in multipe XDA threads. Time to stop him flooding XDA with misleading information everywhere once and for all.
I have 4 pins too.
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I have 4 pins too.
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Of course; like all of us. - And all of us can use that cable for charging and data connections, because it's a plain normal cable for peripheral devices.
There are cables with 5 pins; Sony provides cables like that with some devices because they are a bit better suited for universal use; you can use them either with peripheral devices or with host devices. Smartphones are peripheral devices, use as a host is quite rare. That's why Samsung provides cables with peripheral device functionality, only.
That way, they save money: 4 pins only means 4 wires only. And that's saving 1/5 of the copper costs plus a tiny amount for the gold-plated contacts. Just cents, if not less.
But if you deliver millions of cables, it sums up.
Samsung sold about 40 millions Galaxy S4. Let's say they saved just 2 cents with every USB cable delivered with the devices, it sums up to 800.000 US$; savings of almost a million US$.
And that's just for a single product of the whole Samsung portfolio. - Just by leaving out one useless pin.
Useless, because that additional pin is just for signalling host device or peripheral device. No use with a smartphone, no sense in using such cables for charging or data transfer purposes, just a waste of money. Plus, that behavior generates even more income if people wish to use their smartphones as a host device; e. g. for connecting a flash drive. So that users will buy a new, "special" cable with all 5 pins connected. Even more money for Samsung.
That's the reason.
Have you cut up the OEM cable on the Note4? There are 4 cables inside. Hence there are 4 pins.
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Ok I have same question. I have S7 edge and suddenly on normal charging (fast charging turned off) the phone has started taking around 5 hours or more to charge from 15% to 100%. I say the cable and found 4 pins and assumed that one pin is broken. I had another USB cable and used that with my original charger and this time phone charged in 2 hrs from 25% to 100% (fast charging turned off). Now I have found that original cable only has 4 pins unlike other cables which have 5 pins. I am confused about this and also wondering why my phone is taking so long to charge with original cable (and fast charging turned off).
Can anyone help ?
Would using a cable having 5 pins to charge my Samsung phone damage the port?
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I have an hd 2 and its a used one when i bought it. So i dont get the original charger. I got a samsung charger @ 5v, 700ma. But when i connect it, the phone shows usb detected. Though its charging, its pretty slow, i think the usb mode makes it. Taking only few 100-300ma only. And the charging takes long. I know htc need 1amp charger. But i cant get it here. So i decided to rip the charger and make some modifications ( like grounding or shorting the data pins- the middle two) . So i need a little help. Any of you guys having an htc original charger pls help me. Howz the data pins connected in the original charger? Are they shorted together or they are open? Or they are grounded? Pls help me those who know abot it. I want to make my charger form usb charging to default charging. It badly needed
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That's weird. I've got original Samsung 0.7A charger here and HTC Desire HD does detect it as charger aswell and takes 1A from it. Shortening datapins together does usually convince most of phones that they are connected to wall charger. Maybe it's not the case for HD2.
Samsung Galaxy Phone Rapid Charger Modcheck this thread few under yours... speaking of shorting data pins.
HD2 is same as most, requires 2 data pins to be shorted together (2 inner pins).
Easy mod on most charger units. If charger is a cheap china job, the quoted 700mA figure could be optimistic ... temporary mod it by shorting data pins together & see how it performs ...
But there are 3 pins and not 4. So which ones are the middle?
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Can you supply a good picture of this.
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But there are 3 pins and not 4. So which ones are the middle?
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Sorry thatz an error. I mean 5 pin and not 4. All the pins are present( which are prsent in data cable)
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Maybe this will help ...
Is it microusb?
You're supposed to shorten D+ and D-, but rather in charger. ;P
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Maybe this will help ...
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Is that micro usb?
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Thakz dude
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@ mister b and rebelloz ..
Thankz dude. I will click thankx button when i get to pc. Now i am frm phone
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Very useful guide as I am facing the same problem. Thanks.
Useful guide i am also facing the same problem...
can anyone confirm if it worked for them? I made an adapter by shorting both data leads, but it didn't work for me. My phone will charge when switched off, but when it's on with both gps and data running, it barely gets enough current to charge the battery. Only my original cable works.
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can anyone confirm if it worked for them? I made an adapter by shorting both data leads, but it didn't work for me. My phone will charge when switched off, but when it's on with both gps and data running, it barely gets enough current to charge the battery. Only my original cable works.
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What device?
Signalling a dumb charger with MiniUSB (as opposed to MicroUSB) is less standardized. On most MiniUSB devices it's done by shorting pin 4 to pin 5, but it varies.
I could be wrong about this (someone please correct me if I am), but I believe the transformer inside the charger will need physically replacing if you're going to be pulling more current from it. If it's not too much over the charger's rated current it may be ok, but I've burned up more than one of them by hooking it up to something that draws more than what they were designed for.
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I could be wrong about this (someone please correct me if I am), but I believe the transformer inside the charger will need physically replacing if you're going to be pulling more current from it. If it's not too much over the charger's rated current it may be ok, but I've burned up more than one of them by hooking it up to something that draws more than what they were designed for.
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Depends as part of the reason of the mod is to achieve full power draw of a acceptable rated charger by making the phone think it is connected to HTC charger & thus charge at mains rate of 1A or a little above rather than USB standard of 500mA. Most chargers of reasonable quality will supply 800mA to 1.2A & if you buy wisely a bit higher.
Issue arises on cheap china chargers with false specs that actually only handle 500mA & perhaps 800mA max for short bursts but when these are forced to supply more will fail.
A good quality charger will have no problem supplying full charge to a HTC handset ...
A good example - getting a non-iDevice to pull its full rated charge current from an iPad charger (charger rated 2.1A, but nothing but iDevices will pull any more than 500 mA from it without modifications.)
A good example of cheap Chinese chargers - the "1A" chargers carried by Monoprice. They're good for 300-400 mA at best. You won't burn them out as it's a fundamental current limit setting of the SMPS chip, but the voltage will droop if you try to pull too much out of it. It's the only Monoprice product I've ever been disappointed with.
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can anyone confirm if it worked for them? I made an adapter by shorting both data leads, but it didn't work for me. My phone will charge when switched off, but when it's on with both gps and data running, it barely gets enough current to charge the battery. Only my original cable works.
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What device?
Signalling a dumb charger with MiniUSB (as opposed to MicroUSB) is less standardized. On most MiniUSB devices it's done by shorting pin 4 to pin 5, but it varies.
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sorry about that, I have the HD2. if I use the replacement cable with both data lines I shorted, it never charges when the phone is running. but if I swap my original cable the phone charges normally.
it's as though it ignores the shorted data lines, or maybe the HD2 doesn't really work that way?
I'm worried because my original cable is beginning to show signs of wear and tear.
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Hey guys, I created this thread to chronicle my attempt in fixing my Galaxy Note's broken USB dock connector.
The problem: The phone charges only when off. MTP/USB mass storage won't work. On some roms Car mode wackiness ensued. It seemed like it was possessed; exactly like another persons detail of the problem.
Attempt to fix it: Contacted three wholesalers in China at Alibaba.com for the dock connector for Galaxy Note. Waiting on response right now.
So far I have eleminated everything in my troubleshooting. I've tried multiple custom roms and went and tried two different stock roms with no luck. I also have tried plugging in different kinds of usb cables. I also tried plugging them in different computers.
Anyone can post they're problem-->solution here for future reference.
I found this on google and I thought it was very helpful. HERE IS THE SERVICE MANUAL FOR GALAXY NOTE:
http://letitbit.net/download/55297....68026c2/Samsung_N7000_Service_Manual.rar.html
http://www.samsungparts.ru/2012/01/%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B0-samsung-gt-n7000/#more-2963
andruyd said:
Hey guys, I'm created this thread to chronicle my attempt in fixing my Galaxy Note's broken USB dock connector.
The problem: The phone charges only when off. MTP/USB mass storage won't work. On some roms Car mode wackiness ensued. It seemed like it was possessed; exactly like another persons detail of the problem.
Attempt to fix it: Contacted three wholesalers in China at Alibaba.com for the dock connector for Galaxy Note. Waiting on response right now.
So far I have eleminated everything in my troubleshooting. I've tried multiple custom roms and went and tried two different stock roms with no luck. I also have tried plugging in different kinds of usb cables. I also tried plugging them in different computers.
Anyone can post they're problem-->solution here for future reference.
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I am afraid there is no solution for this type of behavior at this point. I am too had the same experience.
I am awaiting for another responds email from Germany(where my Note came from) to send mine in for a repair. Until then, I can still use my Note with external battery/charger that I got from Amazon.
good luck-
Are guys plugging the cord in upside down or something? Ive had galaxy s, sgs2 and now note since release day and havent experienced this issue.
GALAXY NOTE
Did you guys try use difference charger? I face the same problem once where the charging mode keep changing to dock mode on and off while charging. After i change it use others charger (spare), now everything is ok.
My theory is that the charger started to malfunction n produce too low or too high voltage which trigger the dock mode..my 2 cents.. ;P correct me if im wrong..
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naimmkassim said:
Did you guys try use difference charger? I face the same problem once where the charging mode keep changing to dock mode on and off while charging. After i change it use others charger (spare), now everything is ok.
My theory is that the charger started to malfunction n produce too low or too high voltage which trigger the dock mode..my 2 cents.. ;P correct me if im wrong..
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I can assure you it's not the charger or the data cable, as I have plenty laying around. My money is on the logic board.
naimmkassim said:
Did you guys try use difference charger? I face the same problem once where the charging mode keep changing to dock mode on and off while charging. After i change it use others charger (spare), now everything is ok.
My theory is that the charger started to malfunction n produce too low or too high voltage which trigger the dock mode..my 2 cents.. ;P correct me if im wrong..
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After having 2 SGNote units being bricked and (luckily) replaced with a new unit everytime, I found that the root cause for the SGNote being bricked is a weak USB interface and protection circuit. At first I thought I just messed up the rooting process that's why I bricked the device. When my 2nd replacement unit also got bricked, I traced back that the only common denominator was a rogue iphone charger that I used to recharge the device. Knowing that the weakness of the SGNote is the USB circuit, I'm now careful to use no other charger but the stock charger that came with the unit.
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After having 2 SGNote units being bricked and (luckily) replaced with a new unit everytime, I found that the root cause for the SGNote being bricked is a weak USB interface and protection circuit. At first I thought I just messed up the rooting process that's why I bricked the device. When my 2nd replacement unit also got bricked, I traced back that the only common denominator was a rouge iphone charger that I used to recharge the device. Knowing that the weakness of the SGNote is the USB circuit, I'm now careful to use no other charger but the stock charger that came with the unit.
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Yeah this makes sense.
Anyway this is the part I'm trying to acquire:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/521953864/Dock_Connector_Charging_Port_Flex_Cable.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/521398121/For_Sansung_GALAXY_NOTE_N7000_I9220.html
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/521398854/I9220_charger_flex_for_Samung.html
I strongly believe that the Galaxy S2 USB problems are of similar nature and the solution was to replace the USB dock connector. This gives me a lot of hope since it's easy enough to do. There is no soldering involved AFAIK since it just came off during the Galaxy Note teardown video on youtube @2:28 and @3:36 (ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFDr3PQMTxw). Correct me if I'm wrong.
its definitely a hardware issue and has been traced to the usb port inside the phone. I have the same issue and I am also waiting for the part to replace the damaged one inside my phone.
here is what I am doing to make my phone function-able:
When you connect the usb cord to charge the phone you have to press it down hard and then slide it out. this will temporarily fix the physical usb port pins and allow your phone to function normally. you have to do this every time when you connect and disconnect the usb cord. I will use my phone like this until the part becomes available to buy. I have a feeling, this phone is very delicately designed and can get bricked all by itself.
My note does not charge with Three of my HTC chargers neither does it charge with another car charger.but charges fine with the Samsung charger.has sometimes issues with otg with Samsung otg cable and another otg cable. Even today when I used a Samsung otg cable to connect my note with a Samsung galaxy s2 via a Samsung USB cable, the otg features did not work, the s2 just said mtp and note said unknown device connected! So there are issues with this USB on the note.
I saw a youtube video for Galaxy S2 where he suspected that it was a malfunctioning USB dock. He replaced it and all the symptoms were gone. I'm really going full press on this and hopefully I can help myself and others who have similar problems. I've read up on USB problems the last 2 days from Galaxy Note users and Galaxy S2. They are very similar in design other than the screen/stylus.
bannork said:
I am afraid there is no solution for this type of behavior at this point. I am too had the same experience.
I am awaiting for another responds email from Germany(where my Note came from) to send mine in for a repair. Until then, I can still use my Note with external battery/charger that I got from Amazon.
good luck-
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Please keep us updated on your progress.
BTW to the folks having USB issues, are you having unusual battery drain? What other quirks have you encountered?
Has anyone compared the shape of the USB dock connector for Galaxy S, Galaxy S2, Galaxy Nexus and Galaxy Note? I wonder if they are all the same shape and if I should try and look at replacing that part only? If it is the same then I will get this http://cnn.cn/shop/samsung-i9000-galaxy-microusb-connector-p-10745.html since it's cheap and I've got nothing to lose if it doesn't work.
Looks like we have a new design flaw here..so, how long does it take for you guys to experience this problem from date purchase your note?
Mine already 1 month purchase and not having this problem.
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aftabbabar said:
its definitely a hardware issue and has been traced to the usb port inside the phone. I have the same issue and I am also waiting for the part to replace the damaged one inside my phone.
here is what I am doing to make my phone function-able:
When you connect the usb cord to charge the phone you have to press it down hard and then slide it out. this will temporarily fix the physical usb port pins and allow your phone to function normally. you have to do this every time when you connect and disconnect the usb cord. I will use my phone like this until the part becomes available to buy. I have a feeling, this phone is very delicately designed and can get bricked all by itself.
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I fully agree that it is a hardware issue. Samsung should come up with an extra dongle or maybe a protection circuit integrated with the USB cable that should be used in conjunction with the SGNote. Otherwise, this issue will just keep on repeating and they will end up with a bunch of bricked units on their hands.
If only I didn't like the display on this device, I would have opted for a change item instead of a replacement unit.
I still have the rogue iPhone charger and when I use it to charge an iPhone it keeps on repeatedly bringing up the charging battery icon on and off but it doesn't destroy or brick the phone. But when I connected it to the SGNote, it bricked it. I did it on 2 units. And it will surely brick any other SGNote unit I connect this charger to. I'm willing to demo this to Samsung to prove the point of their weak USB interface circuitry.
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If only I didn't like the display on this device, I would have opted for a change item instead of a replacement unit.
I still have the rouge iPhone charger and when I use it to charge an iPhone it keeps on repeatedly bringing up the charging battery icon on and off but it doesn't destroy or brick the phone. But when I connected it to the SGNote, it bricked it. I did it on 2 units. And it will surely brick any other SGNote unit I connect this charger to. I'm willing to demo this to Samsung to prove the point of their weak USB interface circuitry.
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Like you I got the Note for the screen size because I don't like to read in small screens. I haven't had a phone in 6 years!!!! I've seen phones come and go. The screen size of the Note made it comfortable enough to read anything (PDF, comics, web pages, ebooks).
How sure are you guys that it is indeed the USB circuitry and not just the metal dock? To be honest I'm not sure right now.
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Like you I got the Note for the screen size because I don't like to read in small screens. I haven't had a phone in 6 years!!!! I've seen phones come and go. The screen size of the Note made it comfortable enough to read anything (PDF, comics, web pages, ebooks).
How sure are you guys that it is indeed the USB circuitry and not just the metal dock? To be honest I'm not sure right now.
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Oh my! Looking at the charger flex assembly pictures, all I see are a bunch of passive components for protection. I see no active components on this board that would likely be used for over-voltage or over-current protection. I'm not sure if it's on the main board though. But normally protection circuitry are placed right next to the connector for them to be effective. There seems to be a lot of space on the board for even a single-chip USB protection circuit but the space hasn't been utilized for such.
I'd be willing to bet you that your problems will still be the same even after replacement of this flex assembly.
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Oh my! Looking at the charger flex assembly pictures, all I see are a bunch of passive components for protection. I see no active components on this board that would likely be used for over-voltage or over-current protection. I'm not sure if it's on the main board though. But normally protection circuitry are placed right next to the connector for them to be effective. There seems to be a lot of space on the board for even a single-chip USB protection circuit but the space hasn't been utilized for such.
I'd be willing to bet you that your problems will still be the same even after replacement of this flex assembly.
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Well I hope you are wrong or else I'm screwed over an $800 phone. Did you see that in the Service Manual? I've linked the service manual on the first post. QME02 is the part I want to replace.
naimmkassim said:
Looks like we have a new design flaw here..so, how long does it take for you guys to experience this problem from date purchase your note?
Mine already 1 month purchase and not having this problem.
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For me it was a month and a half before it started going crazy.
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For me it was a month and a half before it started going crazy.
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For me, about 5 minutes after I plug-in the rogue iPhone charger... I did it twice... and luckily, since I still have warranty, I got both units replaced.
I strongly suggest for everybody not to use any other USB charger apart from the stock charger that came with the SGNote. Of course, this excludes plugging it into a PC or laptop as they should be fairly safe and well-protected (at least for name-brand units).
If you're going to use the stock charger, I would recommend plugging the USB cable in the charger and plugging-in the charger in the wall socket first BEFORE plugging-in the mini-USB connector to your SGNote. This minimizes the chances of having voltage spikes being transmitted through the USB connections into the SGNote, especially during the actual plugging of the charger to the wall socket. This is to be on the safe side in the case that the stock charger design is also flawed and doesn't prevent transients from reaching the load unit itself.
Is there a website or something from which we can call Samsung's attention on this matter? If indeed transients are the cause of the USB problems then all they need to do on the SGNote is to redesign the USB board assembly and stick it into units that have not been affected yet. This entails a product recall or as I mentioned in my previous post, maybe to offer us SGNote buyers a dongle or a USB cable with the protection circuitry.
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andruyd said:
Well I hope you are wrong or else I'm screwed over an $800 phone. Did you see that in the Service Manual? I've linked the service manual on the first post. QME02 is the part I want to replace.
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Yup on the service manual and on the links to alibaba that you provided on your previous posts. I looked at both sides of the sub-assembly and only found passive components.
Well I'm using a 2 amp charger from ebay for charging downstairs; a HTC 1 amp charger in the bedroom; the 1 amp Samsung charger in work, but I also plug it into the 800 mah charger that also charges an extra battery in situ. ... she's till working fine.
Right now, usb mass storage or MTP is totally non-functional for me. I'm still glad USB charging is working. I hope that parts holds up till I get a replacement for it.
Thank goodness for wireless and FTP!
Little help chaps.
Ok i've just bought this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390566738301
I presumed (not sure if rightly or wrongly) that it would be sufficient to charge my Nexus 4
I'm using an older usb cable I've got to charge it in my car however if i'm using navigation then the battery still decreases.
I've got a funny feeling that the cable is the culprit but i'm not 100% sure.
Is there anyway to monitor how much juice your phone is getting from the charge?
P.S in the battery monitor screen it says AC not USB
Thanks in advance for any help
Stret
Battery monitor widget pro. It monitors the mA that's being used, mV, etc. Maybe the phone is pulling more mA than the charger is supplying.
You need to go into your battery settings/status while your phone is plugged into your car charger.
It will show one of two statuses:
Charging(AC) and Charching(USB)
If it is showing charging(USB), then the phone is detecting a false data connection. This can be solved by taking apart your USB charger and soldering the middle two pins of the USB. These pins are the Data(+) and Data(-) pins. I attached an image of the two Data pins soldered together on the usb charger.
If it is showing Charging(AC), then your USB charger is not pushing enough mA to charge your phone. Most cheap car USB chargers are in the 500 mA to 700 mA range. The stock USB wall charger that comes with your Nexus 4 is 5V 1200mA.
t989BeLikeItDo said:
You need to go into your battery settings/status while your phone is plugged into your car charger.
It will show one of two statuses:
Charging(AC) and Charching(USB)
If it is showing charging(USB), then the phone is detecting a false data connection. This can be solved by taking apart your USB charger and soldering the middle two pins of the USB. These pins are the Data(+) and Data(-) pins. I attached an image of the two Data pins soldered together on the usb charger.
If it is showing Charging(AC), then your USB charger is not pushing enough mA to charge your phone. Most cheap car USB chargers are in the 500 mA to 700 mA range. The stock USB wall charger that comes with your Nexus 4 is 5V 1200mA.
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Yeah it definitely shows AC was the first thing I checked, so what your saying is that link o posted above is actaully a false claim to how much power it knocks out?
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Stretlow said:
Yeah it definitely shows AC was the first thing I checked, so what your saying is that link o posted above is actaully a false claim to how much power it knocks out?
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Hard to say. From my experience, you get what you pay for. A USB charger that cost less than 2 GBP seems unlikely to support the kind of mA throughput that the Nexus 4 requires.
Some ways to check this are to check the power supply and draw through a battery monitoring app, use a different USB cable or the USB cable that came with your Nexus 4, or take apart the USB charger and inspect the hardware to see if it actually is built to support a 2A supply. That last one is a bit of a headache.
Here is an iFixit teardown of a similar USB charger which goes into detail about some of the working parts of a car USB charger.
To quote the final part of the iFixit teardown:
Quite simply, the device is a rebadged 500mA or 750mA USB charger at best. It is NOT 1A capable, despite what the sticker on the body says.
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Good luck!
t989BeLikeItDo said:
Hard to say. From my experience when it goes about this type of gear is that you get what you pay or. For a USB charger that cost less than 2 GBP it seems unlikely that it would support the kind of mA throughput that the Nexus 4 requires.
Some ways to check this is to check the power supply and draw through a battery monitoring app, use a different USB cable or the USB cable that came with your Nexus 4, or take apart the USB charger and inspect the hardware to see if it actually is built to support a 2A supply. That last one is a bit of a headache.
Here is an iFixit teardown of a similar USB charger which goes into detail about some of the working parts of a car USB charger.
Good luck!
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Thanks for your help mate
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Thanks for your help mate
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No problem! You should try and remember that the Nexus 4 is a pretty sophisticated piece of hardware. I'm not advocating that you go out and spend 20 GBP on equipment, but you don't want to use a cheap generic piece of trash to interface that electrical connection. The build quality of your charger can put your handset at risk to being damaged by electrical shorts and/or heat.
I would liken it to parking your sports car in a cheap parking garage on the bad side of town. Sure, you can do it, but there are risks involved!
I remember a couple years ago how glad I was when I swapped my original Asus Transformer tablet with its proprietary connector for a newer device because for once all of our phones and tablets had the same microUSB connector and we could use all our chargers interchangeably. Now with the 5x it's a return to the old days. Right now we have chargers in a few places around the house plus in our two cars, so anything can get a top-up anywhere with the same cable.
Once the 5x gets here, it'll mean that I have to have a second cable -- if not charger -- anywhere I want to charge it, including a second cable/charger stuffed into the consoles on the cars. At this point in time, a USB-C port might as well be considered "proprietary!" Yes, the changeover has to start somewhere, but why am I always on the bleeding edge?
Another problem is that most of my Nexus 5 charging is done on my wireless charging pad, and that's going bye-bye as well.
I am gladly upgrading to 3A fast charging... technological advancements, yo. Be ready for fast charge wireless next....
It's the age old problem... "WTF, I just installed 3 gas lamps and now they come out with this thing called electricity!"
And cables are so cheap. At least most of my micro USB cables are beat to hell and falling apart. It'll be nice to have a phone where the charge cable stays in while I'm driving.
This really isn't new at all. Google is doing us a favor by going ahead and moving us along into the next technology phase. It does suck that all those spare cables you accumulate from Amazon over the years suddenly, at once, become useless, however, you can get cheap ass adapters still, extensions etc... just have to do it. Do it once and it's done. Get everyone a Nexus 5x or 6p and load up on new cables/docks/chargers etc... bring on the fun!
I'm looking forward to the switch. I remember when micro usb became the standard. I was so happy, because HTC used to use that weird charging port, which was almost mini-usb (I think), but it had that squared off corner, so you couldn't use the cables for any other mini usb device. I'll just buy a couple adapters for my existing chargers, and be done with it. I'll accumulate other usb c cables as time goes on.
That's how I felt when I first got the oneplus two but first thing I bought was a micro USB female to usb-c male adapter off amazon. Didn't have to replace any of my original micro USB cables. Plus Google will give you a usb-c cable so that'll do for now as far as I'm concerned. I recommend this adapter if you still want to use your existing micro USB cables.
In case you weren't aware all cell phones manufactures have to start using type c cables in 2016 in Europe, that includes Apple. So a year from now type c will be the normal
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well the difference is that usb c will eventually be the standard most companies will use. sans apple, probably.
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well the difference is that usb c will eventually be the standard most companies will use. sans apple, probably.
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Yeah, it's not like this is a weird, or custom cable. This is the new USB standard. It's like you're complaining when we started swapping serial ports for USB. It might be inconvenient, but it is better, and sooner or later, everything will be using it. May as well start stocking up on cables now. I already ordered a few.
I think the best cable available is this $8.99 yoozon one that Amazon sells. Type C to Type A, no need for new car chargers or adapters at home. Just buy like 2-4 of these if you got many Type C devices.
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Yeah, it's not like this is a weird, or custom cable. This is the new USB standard. It's like you're complaining when we started swapping serial ports for USB. It might be inconvenient, but it is better, and sooner or later, everything will be using it. May as well start stocking up on cables now. I already ordered a few.
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i made a mistake in my post. usb c will not be the new standard, it IS the new standard.
it just takes some time to spread, obviously, but it will inevitably spread.
murfi said:
well the difference is that usb c will eventually be the standard most companies will use. sans apple, probably.
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new macbook uses it.
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new macbook uses it.
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correct. i was strictly thinking of smartphones.
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I remember a couple years ago how glad I was when I swapped my original Asus Transformer tablet with its proprietary connector for a newer device because for once all of our phones and tablets had the same microUSB connector and we could use all our chargers interchangeably. Now with the 5x it's a return to the old days. Right now we have chargers in a few places around the house plus in our two cars, so anything can get a top-up anywhere with the same cable.
Once the 5x gets here, it'll mean that I have to have a second cable -- if not charger -- anywhere I want to charge it, including a second cable/charger stuffed into the consoles on the cars. At this point in time, a USB-C port might as well be considered "proprietary!" Yes, the changeover has to start somewhere, but why am I always on the bleeding edge?
Another problem is that most of my Nexus 5 charging is done on my wireless charging pad, and that's going bye-bye as well.
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I agree. Early adopting a connector isn't fun. It's like having a proprietary cable all over again. Google made it worse by using it as an excuse to remove wireless charging and not giving an adapter or cable to connect to 99% of current PCs/phone chargers as well which basically means that $380 phone becomes $390+. Being that the USB C connector in the Nexus 5X is only USB 2.0 it would have made much more sense to include a USB C to A cable instead and used qualcomm quick charging..
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I agree. Early adopting a connector isn't fun. It's like having a proprietary cable all over again. Google made it worse by using it as an excuse to remove wireless charging and not giving an adapter or cable to connect to 99% of current PCs/phone chargers as well which basically means that $380 phone becomes $390+.
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I agree that it sucks Google remove wireless charging, but they did it because the technology is not available for metal cased phones. However multiple devices including cell phones will use USB C starting next year. It's not an option, a bill/law was passed in Europe stating no new cell phones will be allowed to be sold in Europe unless that used the approved standard plug which is USB C. If I remember correctly, the law applies to more than cell devices. I for one thing the law makes since and it's necessary, it's forces companies to stop trying to make more profit by creating proprietary cables which are no longer used 3 years later.
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I agree that it sucks Google remove wireless charging, but they did it because the technology is not available for metal cased phones. However multiple devices including cell phones will use USB C starting next year. It's not an option, a bill/law was passed in Europe stating no new cell phones will be allowed to be sold in Europe unless that used the approved standard plug which is USB C. If I remember correctly, the law applies to more than cell devices. I for one thing the law makes since and it's necessary, it's forces companies to stop trying to make more profit by creating proprietary cables which are no longer used 3 years later.
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Personally, I'm fine with companies using plastic for phone bodies. I don't know why everyone goes crazy over a metal/glass bodied phone. Plastic is probably the best for durability over time. Metal, while durable, gets dented really easily, and shows scratches wear much more than other materials. Glass front and back is much more prone to cracking, and once glass is cracked, it would bug me to no end, and I would have to replace it. Plastic, while it will scratch, and get pitted from drops/scratches/etc, doesn't block RF. It's lightweight, and is more forgiving of the screen, compared to other materials.
And with plastic, you can use your wireless charging with no issues.
I have a feeling we will see metal bodied phones with a cut-out, and a plastic cover where the wireless charging coil is placed in future.
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correct. i was strictly thinking of smartphones.
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Sure... but hard to see them not going with it in the end with their own notebooks now featuring it.
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Sure... but hard to see them not going with it in the end with their own notebooks now featuring it.
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They could still opt for lightning-to-usb c cables.
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They could still opt for lightning-to-usb c cables.
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If i recall well, in 2014 the European union decided that all phone should use USB standard starting from 2017. This indeed includes Apple which will either have to do a US version with it's lightening and EU version with USB or use USB on all their devices. Lightning to usb do not seem like a viable option in the EU.
Additionally they stated to use USB and dropped thunderbolt on their macbook so i guess they will do the same on iphones, maybe for the 7. I bet they want to reimburse their lightning investment and avoid losing face ; switching to USB too soon would be seen as acknowledging than USB is better than their technology.
PS: Are you French? You write like french guys...
Good riddance. Micro USB is fragile and an overall crap connector. Bring on USB C. It's about time we got a better standard if you ask me.
I have seen some comments and reviews that some USB-C cables are dangerous to use on our phones. Mainly the "Amazon Comment" from a Google Engineer who said that a particular USB-C cable could harm the device.
I am looking to buy some cheap Micro-USB to USB-C adapters for my current chargers, does anyone know if they are safe to use?
Is there a thread that has all the tested and confirmed cables, adapters and chargers? Seems this USB-C thing is more confusing than I though it would be.
I think you are better off buying a USB 2.0 Type A to Type C cable instead of a micro USB adapter. This one has been recommended:
http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Braided-Reversible-Connector-ChromeBook/dp/B010VFFSL4/
Something like this is NOT compliant, according to the same Google engineer:
http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-TechMatte®-Convert-Connector-OnePlus/dp/B0151RKYBG/
bummer, I don't need "fast charging" all the time so I'm ok with standard charging speed for the most part. However I certainly don't want to "harm" my device with a cable or adapter that is not properly engineered.
Most if not all of the cables he recommends are around $20 for just a cable. Craziness...
I don't think you will damage the phone, but there's a risk you will damage the other side, i.e. charger or computer port. Now frying a $10 charger is not a big deal as long as you are not setting the house on fire, but frying a computer USB port is a different story ... that's what I'm really worried about.
I love how iOrange raised prices on their cables by $4-5 each. That's a 25% increase since gaining popularity yesterday.
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I love how iOrange raised prices on their cables by $4-5 each. That's a 25% increase since gaining popularity yesterday.
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Been steadily increasing since the engineer made his post. I understand, but on the other hand, I need a cable.
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I love how iOrange raised prices on their cables by $4-5 each. That's a 25% increase since gaining popularity yesterday.
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Good thing I ordered 2 the day the article came out. I thought they would raise prices with all the free publicity they got from the article.
What about those from one +? I bought a couple when they were in Stock
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I love how iOrange raised prices on their cables by $4-5 each. That's a 25% increase since gaining popularity yesterday.
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good enough reason for me to go with a different company. i hate when companies do that.
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good enough reason for me to go with a different company. i hate when companies do that.
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https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030319&p_id=13009&seq=1&format=2
If i you don't need 3.0 data speeds, thats the way to go. There is a google doc put together on reddit from all of Google engineer's comments/posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/3robzo/google_spreadsheet_for_usbc_cables_with_benson/
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https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030319&p_id=13009&seq=1&format=2
If i you don't need 3.0 data speeds, thats the way to go. There is a google doc put together on reddit from all of Google engineer's comments/posts: https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/3robzo/google_spreadsheet_for_usbc_cables_with_benson/
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Based on the photos, it seems identical to the cable Google sells. Wouldn't be surprised if they both came from the same place.
My question is this: why are people buying all kinds of usb-c to other versions of usb cables? The phone comes with everything one needs to charge or plug into a computer. Unless everyone wants cables for every room in the house...?
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good enough reason for me to go with a different company. i hate when companies do that.
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My question is this: why are people buying all kinds of usb-c to other versions of usb cables? The phone comes with everything one needs to charge or plug into a computer. Unless everyone wants cables for every room in the house...?
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I leave my stock charger in the living, but I want an adapter for overnight use to plug it in to my 2.4v Nexus 7 charger that stays in my bedroom.
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I leave my stock charger in the living, but I want an adapter for overnight use to plug it in to my 2.4v Nexus 7 charger that stays in my bedroom.
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The 6p comes with 2 cables already... One usb-c>usb-c and one usb-c>usb-a... So use the usbc/c cable for home and the usbc/a cable for travel.
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My question is this: why are people buying all kinds of usb-c to other versions of usb cables? The phone comes with everything one needs to charge or plug into a computer. Unless everyone wants cables for every room in the house...?
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Work, car, etc. I don't want to remember to take the charger/cable with me to work or in the car, I just want to leave them there. And the short cable that comes with the 6P is well ... too short. If you have a desktop computer sitting on the floor or want to charge from the wall or the car, it's just not good enough.
Fair enough!
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The 6p comes with 2 cables already... One usb-c>usb-c and one usb-c>usb-a... So use the usbc/c cable for home and the usbc/a cable for travel.
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This has nothing to do with travel. and the c-a cable it comes with is too damn short to use for much beyond data transfer. Unless the USB a charger is literally plugged in right next to where the phone is going to sit.
I'm trying to figure out how this new charging thing works as far as the required cable/charger.
I bought the iOrange-E cable from Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Braided-Reversible-Connector-ChromeBook/dp/B010VFFSL4/
I have a charger from my old Galaxy S4 that is 5V-1A. When I plug the iOrange in that charger and to my phone, it will say "Charging" but will not steadily charge. What I mean by that is that it'll change states to charging, then it'll stop charging, over and over again.
Another charger I have is 5 V - 2.1 A. With the iOrange cable, this works fine. It will say "Charging."
I have an Anker car charger. This is the one I have: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FYQKMRG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_search_detailpage
I'm not sure what the V/A is on that but with the included USB C -- USB A cable that was shipped with the Nexus 6P, it will charge.
I don't have the USB specs but does anyone know what the minimum is for simply "Charging"? How about "Charging Rapidly?"
I'm assuming my 5V - 1 A charger is too low since it doesn't seem to charge the 6P properly.
I saw the same thing with an HTC 1.5A charger. It charges for a few seconds and then it stops. Not sure what's going on, you'd think that it could at least pull the 500mA or 900mA per the USB spec. Another Anker charger that I have works.
I have this adapter Delmkin
It passes compatibility test using this app CheckR when hooked up with a tronsmart micro-USB cable.
Somebody mentioned that we have all what is needed inside the box and that's true and all but thing is most people don't want to carry their cables/chargers with them wherever they go. I have at least two charger with cables in each room of the house. One in each car and one at work. Makes it convenient since micro-USB cables/chargers are so cheap. Now with USB-C its a different story. One these cables are not cheap at all and now we are learning most of them aren't even complaint with the specs. So it helps to have a tiny adapter to be able to use all the cable I already own with Nexus 6P.