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Appologies for duplicating this post here and on the accessories forum but needed a quick answer!
Anyone technically minded who can answer this....
I am using a HTC Touch Pro mains charger for my X1 (as it has a longer cable) which charges the X1 fully.
I did notice the back of the X1 getting a little warm, so double checked the outputs on the original X1 charger and the TouchPro one.
X1 = 5v 700mA
TouchPro = 5v 1A
Is this likely to be a problem?
You should definately not mix power adapters like that. On the other hand they both use mini-USB plugs so if they follow the USB standard (Battery Charging Specification) you are okay. The spec allows for up to 1,8 A, but that does not mean the X1 can take it.
I would have rather bought an extension cable for the X1 charger. Then you are safe _if_ anything happens and you damage your X1. :|
If you need a longer cable, just plug in a standard USB extension cable It will work perfectly and you can extend to plenty of meters if you need to.
Regarding the use of the 1A charger, I don't think it will be that much of a problem, but I wouldn't count on it to cause no problems either. The battery getting warm is not that odd when charging, as batteries generally generate heat when they get charged. The fact that it gets warmer with the 1A, instead of the 0.7A charger, is just because you charge the battery quicker, which in turn causes more heat. You should keep it mind though that heat is a bad thing for LiIon batteries like the X1 uses. Having it being warm reduces lifetime quicker then when it's cool.
maedox said:
You should definately not mix power adapters like that. On the other hand they both use mini-USB plugs so if they follow the USB standard (Battery Charging Specification) you are okay. The spec allows for up to 1,8 A, but that does not mean the X1 can take it.
I would have rather bought an extension cable for the X1 charger. Then you are safe _if_ anything happens and you damage your X1. :|
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Thanks for your help. I assumed - like you - that USB was USB in regards to power output. But I will take your advice and get an extension and stop using the old one.
Cheers
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What I've seen on battery charging on mobile phones is that they have an internal intelligent charging system, at least the Siemens and Wavecom systems I've been using.
LiIon batteries are normally charged using constant voltage/constant current until a certain voltage level is reached, ~4.2V for 3.6V batteries. Then the charge current is reduced with a constant voltage until the charging current reaches zero. This implies that from a 5V charger there has to be some sort of internal charging system to make it work.
If you get a charger for USB it is the internal system that handles the current rate, not the charger. The specs on the charger shows the maximum current possible, not the charger's constant charge rate.
So if the phone's internal charging system thinks it's ok with 1A it will use it, but as mentioned earlier, it will produce more heat, but with a faster charging.
Though USB charging specs is limited to 1.8A, most charging circuits is possible to set to less current, with some part charging the battery, the rest powering the phone.
on8a said:
What I've seen on battery charging on mobile phones is that they have an internal intelligent charging system, at least the Siemens and Wavecom systems I've been using.
LiIon batteries are normally charged using constant voltage/constant current until a certain voltage level is reached, ~4.2V for 3.6V batteries. Then the charge current is reduced with a constant voltage until the charging current reaches zero. This implies that from a 5V charger there has to be some sort of internal charging system to make it work.
If you get a charger for USB it is the internal system that handles the current rate, not the charger. The specs on the charger shows the maximum current possible, not the charger's constant charge rate.
So if the phone's internal charging system thinks it's ok with 1A it will use it, but as mentioned earlier, it will produce more heat, but with a faster charging.
Though USB charging specs is limited to 1.8A, most charging circuits is possible to set to less current, with some part charging the battery, the rest powering the phone.
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Thanks very much that's very informative.
I am wondering if the X1 has this internal intelligent charging system you mentioned. Would be useful to know.
Actually the mA ratings are what the charger can deliver. Not what they actually will deliver. A 700mA rated charger will supply up to 700mA if asked for by the device. This is a two way thing. The charger side will never provide more than it's maximum rating, it's a built in safety thing. The charged side should never ask for more than it can handle, providing that it is a well built piece of electronics. I trust the X1 to be well built on this. USB standards rate a maximum of 500mA for high power devices. The X1 does adapt and thus will charge slower.
Glad this is being discussed; as my X1 is a UK model, I don't have a US wall charger.
I found some on monoprice.com, see under the Power to USB section at the bottom:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311
They have 3 varieties:
High-Speed WALL Power to USB Female Converter (1000mah) - Black
High-Speed WALL Power to USB Female Converter (1000mah) - White
[**cant tell a discernable difference between those two, but one is larger...**]
WALL Power to USB Female CHARGER Converter - Black (500mah)
[**many people complaining about this not charging their devices; either it really does suck or they didnt get one with enough output**]
I WONT kill the phone picking up a 1000mah?
Anyone else in my situation needing a new US charger, this site has great prices on this stuff... these adapters are under 2 bucks, and USB cables are super-cheap too!
Do you think it would be safe to charge the evo with a 2.1 amp car charger? I found one on ebay that says its made for the iPad but I would love a faster charge on my epic.
In general, the slower you charge the battery, the longer it will last. The effect is pretty significant.
I don't know if that much current is safe.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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It's more complicated than that. Just because the charger is able to provide 2.1A doesn't mean the phone will actually draw that much current.
The charge control circuitry is built into the phone. You are just providing a +5V rail as the charging power source via a standard USB connection. There is no charge control inherent in USB itself.
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It will only pull as much as it needs. I use higher amp output chargers and it's not a problem. It will charge faster, regardless of what you use, if you turn the phone off.
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In general, the slower you charge the battery, the longer it will last.
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Bingo.
Being an Aerospace Electrical Engineer I approve of this message.
jnadke said:
In general, the slower you charge the battery, the longer it will last. The effect is pretty significant.
I don't know if that much current is safe.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
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this is true, but the effect is not that significant, coming from using lithium packs in rc helicopers and cars, the battery will likely be obsolete before you kill it and the batteries aren't that expensive.
kerms said:
Do you think it would be safe to charge the evo with a 2.1 amp car charger? I found one on ebay that says its made for the iPad but I would love a faster charge on my epic.
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do you have a link and is there a wall charger too? I run a remote desktop app and it destroys the battery, even with the 1 amp charger going the battery just gets lower and lower.
robl45 said:
do you have a link and is there a wall charger too? I run a remote desktop app and it destroys the battery, even with the 1 amp charger going the battery just gets lower and lower.
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It could be due to the usb micro charging standards... Many chargers do not adhere to the standard, and this may cause some of the newer phones (droid X, galaxy S phones) not to charge at full power. Most older phones simply did not care, and would use all the amperage they could get their hands on.
Basically, if the D+ and D- pins of the USB cable are not shorted, then the device will draw minimal power from the +5v rail. It is probably drawing <500 mah, and could even be drawing as little as 100 mah from the charger.
Getting a proper 1A charger could fix this, but I'd like to test it out myself when I get the chance..
http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powerduo-for-ipad
These work good. I use the ac one. Only thing is, like some have stated, even when charging when phone is on and using the phone, the battery will still go down. Maybe 2.2 will fix this or a patch.
I'm not going to debate fast vs slow charging. This isn't like debating what is the best charger for AA rechargeable nimh, fast or slow or charging method.
Hi all,
Ok, so I finally managed to order a 16Gb Nexus 4 and hopefully it will be with me in 1 week or so.
And I was wondering one thing regarding the AC adapter: I believe (pls correct me if I am wrong) that the original AC adapter’s output voltage is DC 5V, 1.2A.
I will need an extra AC adapter to keep it at work and I was planning to use one of those:
- The Sony Xperia P AC adapter will output 5V, 1,5A
- The Samsung Galaxy S AC adapter will output 5V, 0,7A
It is clear that neither of those 2 chargers will match exactly the specifications of the original Nexus charger (same voltage, but different amperage).
So, here goes the questions:
1) Is there any problem if I use a charger that will output the same voltage but with different amperage?... if not, which one would you use and why?.
2) how the amperage affect to the charging process?.
Thanks all in advance
PS: sorry for terrible English
You can use any charger up to 2 amps.
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Evergreen74 said:
Hi all,
Ok, so I finally managed to order a 16Gb Nexus 4 and hopefully it will be with me in 1 week or so.
And I was wondering one thing regarding the AC adapter: I believe (pls correct me if I am wrong) that the original AC adapter’s output voltage is DC 5V, 1.2A.
I will need an extra AC adapter to keep it at work and I was planning to use one of those:
- The Sony Xperia P AC adapter will output 5V, 1,5A
- The Samsung Galaxy S AC adapter will output 5V, 0,7A
It is clear that neither of those 2 chargers will match exactly the specifications of the original Nexus charger (same voltage, but different amperage).
So, here goes the questions:
1) Is there any problem if I use a charger that will output the same voltage but with different amperage?... if not, which one would you use and why?.
2) how the amperage affect to the charging process?.
Thanks all in advance
PS: sorry for terrible English
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You must use a 5V AC USB Adapter and better no LESS than 1A
for Fast Charge.
AC Adapter I Use:
iPad AC Adapter 5V 2.1A at Work
PlayBook AC Adapter 5V 1.8A at Home 1
Original Nexus 4 AC 5V 1.2A at Home 2.
Our Nexus 4 will Draw around 0.8A when Batt lever at 0% - 80%,
then around 0.5A at 80%-95%, Final State 95%-100% will draw 0.2A roughly.
When 100%, Nexus 4 will use the AC power & the Current "A" show on phone
will like 2mA (0.002A) when idling.
** 1A = 1000mA
As previous poster said, do not go under 1.2amp.
I run the OEM charger in my bed room, a USB charger to my computer, and a 2.1amp charger in the car.
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As previous poster said, do not go under 1.2amp.
I run the OEM charger in my bed room, a USB charger to my computer, and a 2.1amp charger in the car.
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Why do you say not to go under 1.2A? Charging from a laptop is at .5A. I've been using a 1A charger since day one. Haven't experienced any issues with it.
Charging at a lower amperage shouldn't hurt anything, just charge slower. All you have to do is make sure it's a 5V charger. Amperage shouldn't matter but a lower amp charger will charge slower. As for a higher amp charger, the phone will only draw the amount of power it needs to charge so using 2A charger won't hurt anything either.
Also 2mA is 0.002A not 0.02 A
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You can use any charger up to 2 amps.
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Since the charger doesn't actually regulate the charging itself (the phone does this) it doesn't matter how many amps it can supply, could be 100 amps, no worries. As long as it is 5V, the phone will draw as many amps as it needs.
Since the supplied charger is 1.2A rated, it's fair to assume that the phone will never actually try to draw any more than that, so there will be no benefit in going higher.
Going for a lower current charger will likely extend the charge time.
I use a 2.1 amp daily without any issues.
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Wow guys!!... thanks all for your answers!!
So, if I understood correctly, the amperage will only affect to the charging time, meaning that by using the Xperia P AC adapter (1,5A) the battery will be charged faster that using the Galaxy S one (0,7A)... right?
Pls allow one last question: a few yeard ago, I think I read in some forums that a slower charging process could help to keep the batteries in the best conditions for a longer time... is this still true with modern batteries??
Again, THANKS all for your help!!
Evergreen74 said:
Wow guys!!... thanks all for your answers!!
So, if I understood correctly, the amperage will only affect to the charging time, meaning that by using the Xperia P AC adapter (1,5A) the battery will be charged faster that using the Galaxy S one (0,7A)... right?
Pls allow one last question: a few yeard ago, I think I read in some forums that a slower charging process could help to keep the batteries in the best conditions for a longer time... is this still true with modern batteries??
Again, THANKS all for your help!!
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Yes, the .7A charger will take a little longer to charge you phone.
On the other answer, I think NO but I'm not as familiar with LiPo batteries. I would venture to say that .7A vs 1.2A (max the phone will draw but I think someone above mentioned it's even less than that when the battery is very low) is not going to make a bit of difference in your battery life.
One thing I do know about LiPo's is you do not trickle charge them. So while plugged in it will charge at the rates mentioned above until full and then it QUITS charging all together. Once the phone discharges the battery to a certain level, it will charge it back up again. Probably at 98-99%.
There may be one other thing to consider when selecting a third party charger. In the Nexus 7, the device looks for pins 2 & 3 (data) of the USB plug to be shorted in order for it to draw full current. If this pins are open (or have a load across them as is the case with iPhone/iPad chargers), the Nexus 7 will assume it is plugged into a computer and limit its draw to 500MA.
Not certain the Nexus 4 behaves the same way but would assume so.
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Yes, the .7A charger will take a little longer to charge you phone.
On the other answer, I think NO but I'm not as familiar with LiPo batteries. I would venture to say that .7A vs 1.2A (max the phone will draw but I think someone above mentioned it's even less than that when the battery is very low) is not going to make a bit of difference in your battery life.
One thing I do know about LiPo's is you do not trickle charge them. So while plugged in it will charge at the rates mentioned above until full and then it QUITS charging all together. Once the phone discharges the battery to a certain level, it will charge it back up again. Probably at 98-99%.
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setzer715, thanks for the answer... I think I will be using the Xperia P charger at work...
Thanks all for your help!!
I want to make this case clear. According to my Charging log,
Here is some key point.
Nexus 4 Max Draw Rate at Fast Charge Mode is around 800-900mA,
even you use a Charger that rated at 1A (iPhone Tofu), 1.2A (Original),
1.8A (Playbook), 2.1A (iPad).
Fast Charge Mode must be with Charging Cable with 2&3 pin Shorted,
or the charger itself have the 2&3 pin already shorted.
Therefore, 1A is a Sweet spot for getting Charger & Charging Time for
Li-Po/Li-Ion/Ni-MH Batt charging.
If you use under 1A Charger, eg 700mA or 500mA, it will take much longer
to charge the batt but no harm as well. Just too slow only.
The stock charger that came with my phone sucks, I use one from my epic 4g touch (gs2)and it charges much better
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jlear3 said:
The stock charger that came with my phone sucks,
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Why you say so...? What's wrong with it...?
Talon88 said:
Why you say so...? What's wrong with it...?
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Left a phone on a charger all night with a long (10ft) cable and it couldn't even charge the phone over night. I know a 10ft cable will slow things down but my gs2 plug has no problem charging my phone. Search around and you'll find a few fail stories about the stock LG charger.
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I just installed a QI charger for my new LG G2. I got a few QI charging pads as well. I want to see how fast it is charging, or the charge rate (500mah, 750? ect) as the receiver is supposed to do the following charge: DC 5V/500mA-1000mA .
Ive tried a few apps, but I cant find one that specifically says what the charging rate is. Anyone know the best way to figure that out?
Two questions:
1) When you say you "installed a QI charger for my new LG G2" exactly what do you mean there, and I do mean exactly: are you referring to getting a Qi charging pad (which you mention) or do you mean you got some kind of part that you physically installed in or on your G2 - the Verizon G2 is the only one that supports wireless charging out-of-the-box so, that's why I'm asking.
2) With respect to actual charging, the output of the Qi wireless charging pad is directly related to the amperage/current supplied by the actual AC adapter or USB charger you're using with it. If it's about 1A (the AC or USB charger) then you're going to lose quite a bit of power in the actual charging process because wireless charging is pretty severely inefficient most of the time, give or take you'd get 400 to 500mAh going into the actual device from the charging pad.
What I'm saying is if you have a Qi wireless charging pad, you'd be best served using as high an amperage/current charger for the pad itself so that the pad can then transfer as much as possible to the device itself. Anything less than a solid 2A charger attached to the Qi wireless charging pad and you're basically wasting a lot of it in the process and might be better off actually just using the USB port on a computer or something (about 500-550mAh max anyway).
Basic rule of thumb: the Qi wireless charging pad can use all the amperage/current it can get, with at least the factory LG 1.8A charger being what I'd call the bare minimum (and with that you'd probably be able to push about 900 to 1000 mAh (aka 1A) to the device. Qi hardware is roughly 40% efficient so, you're going to lose a lot in the process as stated; the more you start with the more that gets to the device even accounting for the inefficiency.
As far as measuring the current, you can try CurrentWidget on the Play Market, it may provide you with some info in terms of the charging rate.
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Two questions:
1) When you say you "installed a QI charger for my new LG G2" exactly what do you mean there, and I do mean exactly: are you referring to getting a Qi charging pad (which you mention) or do you mean you got some kind of part that you physically installed in or on your G2 - the Verizon G2 is the only one that supports wireless charging out-of-the-box so, that's why I'm asking.
2) With respect to actual charging, the output of the Qi wireless charging pad is directly related to the amperage/current supplied by the actual AC adapter or USB charger you're using with it. If it's about 1A (the AC or USB charger) then you're going to lose quite a bit of power in the actual charging process because wireless charging is pretty severely inefficient most of the time, give or take you'd get 400 to 500mAh going into the actual device from the charging pad.
What I'm saying is if you have a Qi wireless charging pad, you'd be best served using as high an amperage/current charger for the pad itself so that the pad can then transfer as much as possible to the device itself. Anything less than a solid 2A charger attached to the Qi wireless charging pad and you're basically wasting a lot of it in the process and might be better off actually just using the USB port on a computer or something (about 500-550mAh max anyway).
Basic rule of thumb: the Qi wireless charging pad can use all the amperage/current it can get, with at least the factory LG 1.8A charger being what I'd call the bare minimum (and with that you'd probably be able to push about 900 to 1000 mAh (aka 1A) to the device. Qi hardware is roughly 40% efficient so, you're going to lose a lot in the process as stated; the more you start with the more that gets to the device even accounting for the inefficiency.
As far as measuring the current, you can try CurrentWidget on the Play Market, it may provide you with some info in terms of the charging rate.
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Firstly, thank you for taking time to write such a great response. I really appreciate it!
1) Yes I installed a universal sticker. I used this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MN3RR7Q/ which is supposedly supposed to do 1000mA. People in the reviews seem to say they are getting good results. I wish the ATT version had wireless out of the box, but then if it did I would be stuck with PMA charging. I installed an actual NFC/PMA sticker in my G3. PMA kind of sucks...anywho.
2) This is the pad I am using: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H9B7ALK/. 1.5a input and 1a output. On this one, I am averaging about 3% per 10 minutes or 30% an hour. So roughly 3 hours and 20 minutes to full charge. I can try the the stock LG. Oh, my Dell Venue 8 Pro is a 2a one. I can try that as well. Can the paid take the 2a in even though it was built for 1.5a in?
I will try current widget. Ive been using battery monitor to log as well.
1) Neat, I didn't even know such a thing existed, I may have to give that a shot with my G2 at some point (if I decide to keep it, that is).
2) As stated before, using a higher amperage/current charger or power supply is preferred, sure. It should help get the charging done faster and again the device (meaning the charger) will pull what it requires and nothing more.
Basic electronics 101 here: two things that matter with respect to smartphone chargers (or most any device, to be honest) - amperage aka current and voltage.
Voltage is pushed from a power supply meaning it will always be the same amount, give or take micro-variations. If it's a 5VDC power supply (of any kind) it's designed to provide 5VDC constantly. If it's some other value, say 9VDC, 12VDC, and so on, that's how much it pushes - if you were to connect a 9VDC charger to a smartphone or other device that's designed for a 5VDC input, you'd fry the electrical circuits in the device because it would be flooded with more power than it's designed for.
Amperage aka current is pulled from a power supply and only what is required is what's actually taken. With respect to smartphones, most of the higher end devices these days can make use of roughly 1.2 to 1.8 A (read as Amps) when it comes to charging. This means if you had a charger that output 5VDC (from what I just said above that's the standard worldwide for such devices as smartphones) but could theoretically provide 5A of current, the smartphone technically would not be damaged because it would only pull roughly 1 to 1.8 Amps at most - if you do use CurrentWidget and you plug in the G2 and look at the reading while it's charging, you'll note that the level of amperage/current being pulled from the charger fluctuates like crazy - voltage stays constant (give or take a microvolt here and there) but the current will jump all over the place, especially if you enable the "Smart Charging" feature of the G2.
The reason this happens is because when a LiIon battery is pretty low on a charge, say down to 10-15%, it's "gone deep" as the saying goes and the charging circuit will pull the max amperage/current that the charger is capable of producing and that can be measured/seen using CurrentWidget. As the battery gets into the 90% full range, the amperage/current draw will reduce (again, especially with the Smart Charging enabled) as the battery gets towards being totally full. This is a good thing in most every respect and it keeps the LiIon battery in good shape too - if it pulled the max current till it was 100% it wouldn't necessarily be so good and would heat the battery up more than necessary and LiIon batteries are very sensitive to temperature variations.
Hence, phones get fried by "cheap Chinese chargers" a lot of times because of voltage issues and faulty voltage regulators, not from amperage/current problems. It's actually kind of difficult to kill a device with amperage/current, but screwing around with the voltage will destroy a device almost 100% of the time and quite fast too.
Also, this is the reason why you'll see a phone charge relatively quickly to the 99% point then it seems to take even longer to get that last 1% to finish it off at 100% - it's the way LiIon charging technology works and helps the battery lifespan (meaning how long the battery is useful for measured in years and not "battery life" in terms of how long it can run before you have to charge it again measured in hours). The charging process "slows down" as it gets close to being full which works great for this kind of technology.
Hope this info helps...
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Basic rule of thumb: the Qi wireless charging pad can use all the amperage/current it can get, with at least the factory LG 1.8A charger being what I'd call the bare minimum (and with that you'd probably be able to push about 900 to 1000 mAh (aka 1A) to the device. Qi hardware is roughly 40% efficient so, you're going to lose a lot in the process as stated; the more you start with the more that gets to the device even accounting for the inefficiency.
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Okay let me see if I understand this correctly. The OUTPUT of the qi charging pad could be 1000mAh, but since the wireless QI hardware is only 40% efficient, the actual charge rate will be more around mAh to 500mAh? Im recording an actual charge rate of 500mAh and my phone states it is on AC power and not USB.
If the receiver on the phone states it can do up to 1000mAh, what I need to find is a charger that outputs a lot more like 2000mAh and at 40% efficiency I might be able to get around the 1000mAh?
That pretty much sums it up, yep - as long as you account for the inefficiency of the Qi charging technology, you can get faster charge times and still use it without having to plug in/unplug, etc the old fashioned way.
It works, it's just not nearly as fast or efficient as the old fashioned way so, give the Qi pad plenty of current and you'll be fine - since it will pull what it needs, using a 1.8A or 2A or even more won't hurt it, but it will make it pretty damned warm to the touch when it's charging so keep that in mind. As the G2 would be sitting on top of the Qi pad, if the pad gets warm or even hot then obviously the G2 will as well by heat transfer and heat/high temps are bad for LiIon batteries as I mentioned earlier.
It's a trade-off more than anything else but again, it does work as long as you're understanding the hows and whys to make the best of it.
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That pretty much sums it up, yep - as long as you account for the inefficiency of the Qi charging technology, you can get faster charge times and still use it without having to plug in/unplug, etc the old fashioned way.
It works, it's just not nearly as fast or efficient as the old fashioned way so, give the Qi pad plenty of current and you'll be fine - since it will pull what it needs, using a 1.8A or 2A or even more won't hurt it, but it will make it pretty damned warm to the touch when it's charging so keep that in mind. As the G2 would be sitting on top of the Qi pad, if the pad gets warm or even hot then obviously the G2 will as well by heat transfer and heat/high temps are bad for LiIon batteries as I mentioned earlier.
It's a trade-off more than anything else but again, it does work as long as you're understanding the hows and whys to make the best of it.
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I ran the battery down to 70% and I have it on the charger with a 2a wall adapter. I will see how fast it charges. But it seems like I will get roughly 1/3rd the charging speed of a wall adapter. Which means in the car using gps with the screen on and QI chrarging will probably mean a negative overall power situation.
Im also going to try a high speed, charging only cable like this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009W34X5O/ between the wall adapter and the charging pad to see if there is any difference.
Don't waste your money, that thing is no better than a "Gold Plated 56K Modem Cord," seriously. Gold plating, "high speed," all that stuff is marketing BS and means absolutely nothing in the long run - it's a microUSB cable, nothing more.
In 20+ years of using USB cords of all kinds I've yet to see one that's corroded so, that gold plating is not gonna matter anyway.
Any microUSB cable you can find today is more than capable of handling ~2A without a single issue and it's well known that the G2 can max out at 1.6A draw for charging anyway so any cable is more than adequate for doing it.
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Don't waste your money, that thing is no better than a "Gold Plated 56K Modem Cord," seriously. Gold plating, "high speed," all that stuff is marketing BS and means absolutely nothing in the long run - it's a microUSB cable, nothing more.
In 20+ years of using USB cords of all kinds I've yet to see one that's corroded so, that gold plating is not gonna matter anyway.
Any microUSB cable you can find today is more than capable of handling ~2A without a single issue and it's well known that the G2 can max out at 1.6A draw for charging anyway so any cable is more than adequate for doing it.
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Hah! I already have one I use in the car
shaxs said:
I ran the battery down to 70% and I have it on the charger with a 2a wall adapter. I will see how fast it charges. But it seems like I will get roughly 1/3rd the charging speed of a wall adapter. Which means in the car using gps with the screen on and QI chrarging will probably mean a negative overall power situation.
Im also going to try a high speed, charging only cable like this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009W34X5O/ between the wall adapter and the charging pad to see if there is any difference.
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Okay I was able to maintain neutral power with the screen on and running gps. Let it go for almost 2 hours and it was at the same percentage as when I started. Im good with that for car use.
Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion
I'm more disappointed at the size of the wall wart. They could have made more friendly to other power strip users.
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Any one Disappointed with the charger they included with the Pure. The non removable cord just sucks and a poor choice in my opinion
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Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.
The disappointing part is the my other cords not working with Android auto. Luckily I have a nexus 6, and the cord with its charger works.
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brholt6 said:
Pretty sure they did that so you couldn't just stick any usb charging cord in their...it'd most likely fry it.
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I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol
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I guess that could be a reason but highly doubt anything would be fried. Ive been using a nexus 6 turbo charger and before that i was using a note 4 charger to charge multiple android/apple devices without issue. This just limits what i can charge on a single charger now need a second lol
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If you plugged in a charging cord that can't handle the increased power it sure could fry the cord. I feel ya though...it would be nice if it were a USB cord.
I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.
Also having a fixed cord means you don't pulg some 'slow' cable in and not get any benefits. Out my 8-10 micro USB cables, only 2-3 get a decent charge speed.
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I'm glad it looks different.... My son knows NOT to plug his HTC M7 into this charger.
I can see if this was someones first Android, the lack of a micro-USB for data would be frustrating, but I have about 5 of these in my desk drawer and throughout my house and office, so it doesn't bother me.
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If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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Darnell_Chat_TN said:
If a device that does not do Turbo Charging is connected, the charger should automatically adjust and charge it at regular speed. At least, that's what it is supposed to do. The Turbo Charger is supposed to be the single charger for all types.
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Good, because I know I'll find his phone on that charger some day
I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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I think the reason they made the cable fixed is because a lot of cheaper usb cables use very thin wire gauges. Since this charger puts out a lot of current at varying voltages, it's very possible for a thin cable to overheat easier and catch on fire. And my guess is, they didn't want to take any chances
How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I've got the same issue going on. My replacement from Amazon will be here Tuesday so I'll have time to mess with both and see if its the charger or what. Currently my turbocharging is hit or miss.
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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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I have this issue sometimes to. So if I need to know if im charging at turbo I use an app from the app store to see if states I'm turbo Charging or not. In the Charging screen it will say "normal or Turbo"
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere
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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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You can use a USB voltage/current indicator device to see it directly. I use one that displays voltage and current simultaneously, it cost about $10 on Amazon.
The Qualcomm QC 2.0 (which Motorola terms "TurboPower) spec is 5, 9, 12, and 20 volts, with up to 2 amps plus at each voltage. The QC 2.0 chargers I've tested including the Motorola charger included with the XT1575, range up to 9V and about 2+ A at 9V, with the higher voltage/amperage when battery is discharged to a lower SoC.. Haven't seen 12V or 20V, I think those only come into play when battery is discharged to nearly zero SoC.
Agree the reason the included charger has cable attached may be to ensure adequate wire gage. Too-thin wire will increase voltage drop across cable thus lengthening charge time in higher power modes. But the design here uses higher voltage to keep current down around the same 2A max current of USB 2.0 chargers, so cable heat will not be a problem with any old USB cable.
I will attest to the benefit of QC 2.0. I thought it was a useless gimmick until I started using it. It does effectively compensate for mediocre battery capacity.
My "Turbo Charging" icon displays properly, but doesn't charge very quickly if connected to a cheap extension cord.
Plugged into the wall, the charging Stull doesn't impress me that much
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How do we determine if turbo charger is ongoing? I mean are there any indication? Coz when I plug in the TurboCharger that comes with it, sometimes TurboPower Connected shows at the bottom of the screen, sometimes not. Then when I check it on the Status, it says Charging over USB, not Charging over AC? Could be that my unit is defective? perhaps the charger? or the battery?
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It's defective. Call moto they will replace it for free. Just have to send copy of purchase receipt. Had the same issue.
The charge rate depends on how discharged the battery is when connected to charge.
More discharged (lower SoC, State of Charge) will drive a higher charge rate.
As to the difference between this Motorola TurboPower (aka Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0), vs. other phones:
I've measured up to 1.4 amps at 5V nominal on other phones, that is about 9 watts charging power. That is max charge rate, with a very discharged battery. As the battery charges up closer to fully charged, the charge rate (power) is reduced. Total charging time from fully discharged to fully charged would be about 4-5 hours, give or take, for a typical cellphone battery.
For comparison, the QC 2.0 measurements I made with the MXPE: Up to 2.2 amps at 9V nominal with a phone battery discharged to about 40-50%. That works out to about 20 watts charging power. As with other Li-Ion battery charging systems, this also declines as the battery approaches fully charged. Total time to charge, from fully discharged to fully charged will be about 2-3 hours, give or take.
So the marketing claims about QC 2.0 are about right: A 75% improvement over conventional charging systems.
The biggest gains come when charging batteries discharged to lower SoC. If you are comparing charge rate/time of batteries discharged to only, say, 70-80%, you will not see as much of a difference with QC 2.0.
I'm not a QC 2.0 marketing shill, mind you. I pretty much ignored it, before buying the phone. But for this phone, QC 2.0 actually does a good job to compensate for the mediocre battery. I can run the battery down to 40-50%, put it on QC 2.0 charger in my car for my 30 minute commute, and it is charged to around 80+% when I arrive at my destination. There are a lot of QC 2.0 certified aftermarket chargers out there too, Qualcomm did a lot of work on the front end as part of bringing it to market. (Just make sure any AC charger is UL listed or equivalent, if you care about safety.
Caveats on cables: The cable does make a difference at higher charge rates. Thinner gage wire will impose a greater voltage drop at higher current, this will reduce power and thus increase charge time.
Typical USB cables are AWG 26-28. You can buy 20, 22, and 24 AWG USB cables. Some cables advertise heavier (22-24) gage wire for the power leads with standard (26-28) gage wire for the data leads. The aftermarket QC 2.0 AC chargers I bought listed their included cables as 20 gage.
Get the heavier gage if you want full QC 2.0 charging.
soufdallas said:
I still have my galaxy s6 nexus charger that is a fast charging and it seems to work fine with turbo charging
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Just to check did you use S6 original charger ? And does it charge same with the turbo power charger provided by moto?
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