So after doing some research about the whole advanced calling feature I came to a theory that might calm the heat towards them.
Advanced calling 1.0 isn't just something they have to do to the network. VoLTE is already possible in any area Verizon covers with LTE. Unlike other service providers who have been doing this for a while, Verizon is fresh at it. And I believe that the way they enable this function on the Sim is purely software. Not built into the Sim. That's why there are so little phones out there that have it enabled. Because Verizon waits for a software update from the phones manufacturer and implements it into the new software.
So, my theory is that, because the Nexus will be the first phone that Verizon will be selling with lollipop, they will have to work with Google to implement that software into the 5.1 release that should be coming out in February which is why they are planning to release the phone in that time.
Another reason this has to go that way is because its also one of the very few phones that Verizon will be selling that has only one radio and therefore will not have data during a phone call which is one of their biggest selling points and the original reason why I choose them over anyone else 5 years ago.
I think that Verizon just wants this phone to have happy customers and not have a terrible experience like they did with the GNex
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Highly doubt it buddy. The tl;dr is if you want a N6 on VZ you'll probably have to go pony up $650-$699 and get it off GPS or Motorola. Verizon has always been about control,delivering to the user, the experience that they see fit for you to have. That's why they lock all their phones down and instill it with bloatware garbage. Before the FCC mandate I'm pretty sure Verizon blocked all sorts of compatible devices that would work on the network. The only reason why we can even use the N6 on Verizon is because the FCC is forcing them to. I'm sure you read up on the whole 700mhz C block spectrum debacle.
One of two things will probably happen in regards to Verizon selling the Nexus 6. If they are offering it later it will probably come after the newest Droid and Note 4 has had their runs. I highly doubt it has anything to with advanced called as that is just an application and you can make VOLTE calls without it. VOLTE is very limited at this time and will only occur when you call another person with the listed devices. True there could be some propriety garbage that they need to install on the unit to use VOLTE and if that's the case we're back to the Galaxy "Nexus" era. At this point do you really want to get a Nexus that has the VZW tramp stamp? Do you really want to rely on Verizon for certain updates?
As for the second scenario which I feel is more likely to occur. I feel that Verizon will just pass the Nexus 6 as only a small % of people know what it is and want it. Majority of users don't know the differences between devices and manufacturer skins etc. Now if its the contract price you want, nothing else can be said or done about that. But you can always go to Motorola and get financing on the device. Good luck.
They already sell the moto x which is on lollipop so there goes that theory. Next?
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Another reason this has to go that way is because its also one of the very few phones that Verizon will be selling that has only one radio and therefore will not have data during a phone call which is one of their biggest selling points and the original reason why I choose them over anyone else 5 years ago.
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5 years ago you could not do voice/data at same time on Verizon...on most phones you still couldnt 3 years ago...that was a strong selling point and advertised feature that ATT advertised back then...
I don't think you guys are reading the whole thing.
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They already sell the moto x which is on lollipop so there goes that theory. Next?
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Motorola had already implemented it in their software on kk. This is the first nexus device in a while
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Motorola had already implemented it in their software on kk. This is the first nexus device in a while
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The Moto X still doesn't have advanced calling or voice/data at same time. No idea what you're talking about.
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The Moto X still doesn't have advanced calling or voice/data at same time. No idea what you're talking about.
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Oh, well then your debunking has been debunked. The droid turbo has it but its still on 4.4.4 so I rest my case. They still have to find a way to natively implement it into lollipop.
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So, my theory is that, because the Nexus will be the first phone that Verizon will be selling with lollipop, they will have to work with Google to implement that software into the 5.1 release that should be coming out in February which is why they are planning to release the phone in that time.
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wait... Google announced the 5.1 release? oh that's right, they didn't. all made up by a bunch of "click-bait" hack bloggers looking for increased ad revenue.
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Oh, well then your debunking has been debunked. The droid turbo has it but its still on 4.4.4 so I rest my case. They still have to find a way to natively implement it into lollipop.
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You don't even know what your own argument is. You stated they were holding off releasing it until it had VoLTE/advanced calling. So you're saying they picked just this one device to delay for this reason but were fine releasing a bunch of others without the feature? Yeah that makes total sense.
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The Moto X still doesn't have advanced calling or voice/data at same time. No idea what you're talking about.
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You don't even know what your own argument is. You stated they were holding off releasing it until it had VoLTE/advanced calling. So you're saying they picked just this one device to delay for this reason but were fine releasing a bunch of others without the feature? Yeah that makes total sense.
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Name one phone that has been released in the past six months that doesn't have the ac 1.0 either on the way or already on there?
My opinion is it has to do with the data issues people on vz have been having with the nexus6. My guess is they ran into problems, and are working on a resolution before officially releasing it.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
Note 4 is scheduled to get it soon but all the major android devices not on lollipop have it.
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Name one phone that has been released in the past six months that doesn't have the ac 1.0 either on the way or already on there?
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Well I already said the Moto X like 4 times but here's the full list from Verizon that supports advanced calling - Note Edge, Droid Turbo, G3, and iPhone 6. I know there are other older devices (G2, Maxx, etc) that also support it. Link directly from VZ below.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
Keep in mind this is only a theory. I'm not saying I know the answer. I just came up with it and it made sense to me. To each their own though.
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Well I already said the Moto X like 4 times but here's the full list from Verizon that supports advanced calling - Note Edge, Droid Turbo, G3, and iPhone 6. I know there are other older devices (G2, Maxx, etc) that also support it. Link directly from VZ below.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
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My theory is that they are trying to figure out how to implement it natively into lollipop. Since the moto x is running lollipop then this clearly falls under the same page as the nexus
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5 years ago you could not do voice/data at same time on Verizon...on most phones you still couldnt 3 years ago...that was a strong selling point and advertised feature that ATT advertised back then...
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You're right about that. The thing that I'm saying is that new phones such as the moto x and the nexus 6 both only have one radio as opposed to the older phones since the iPhone 4 released almost 4 years ago which can in fact use data and phone at the same time only because of the fact that there are 2 radios in the CDMA version
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wait... Google announced the 5.1 release? oh that's right, they didn't. all made up by a bunch of "click-bait" hack bloggers looking for increased ad revenue.
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While I do see where you're coming from with this, I would like to point out that there are still a lot of known bugs and it makes sense that they would come out with a major update to fix all of those bugs, nexus device wide. Whether its 5.1 or 5.0.3 is not the point. Its the fact that there is an update and it should come soon because googles new flagship device has that buggy software on it and it will hurt profits if not fixed
Ive actually talked to some people who told me that the only reason they didn't get the n6 was because they heard there were a lot of bugs.
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Well I already said the Moto X like 4 times but here's the full list from Verizon that supports advanced calling - Note Edge, Droid Turbo, G3, and iPhone 6. I know there are other older devices (G2, Maxx, etc) that also support it. Link directly from VZ below.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/landingpages/advanced-calling-devices/
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Long list.
My theory is that they want to lock it down, and although they technically could, the user base of this particular model have more of an inclination to tinker than other customers who want a Samsung or HTC.
Maybe Google layath down the hammer and said you can't prevent people from locking boot loader.
In the end I just don't think Verizon cares to own a Nexus
Pretty sure it's to milk every last penny from the Turbo. Also to get as many people to buy other phones out of practical impatience as they can so they have less unlocked bootloaders running on their network. Cause we all know how much they just absolutely LOVE unlocked bootloaders.
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http://googlenexusoneboard.blogspot.com/2010/04/update-on-nexus-one-partnerships.html
Nexus One News and Updates
Monday, April 26, 2010
An update on Nexus One partnerships
When we launched Nexus One in January, we announced partnerships with Vodafone in Europe and Verizon Wireless in the US. We have news on both fronts.
Today, Vodafone begins accepting pre-orders for Nexus One from customers in the United Kingdom at www.vodafone.co.uk/nexusone, and on April 30th Vodafone will start selling Nexus One in their UK stores, online, and over the phone. Soon after, they will also begin selling Nexus One in France (SFR), Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Spain. Vodafone is our first European partner to distribute the Nexus One.
In the US, if you’ve been waiting for the Nexus One for Verizon Wireless’ network, head over to http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/incredible to pre-order the Droid Incredible by HTC, a powerful new Android phone and a cousin of the Nexus One that is similarly feature-packed. It will be available in stores on April 29th.
We are very pleased with the amazing pace of innovation and strength of the Android ecosystem and to be working with partners around the world to bring the Android experience to more people.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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BOOM.
Verizon Nexus One goes POOF.
My guess? Verizon didn't want the phone due to the 3G issues. Not that it's definitely a hardware issue, but they probably didn't want to take the chance.
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1. I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
Doubtful that the 3G issues had anything to do with it. They most likely didn't want 2 nearly identical models to deal with. It wouldn't make any sense to carry both the Nexus One and the Incredible. On top of that, the Nexus One wouldn't be filled with the Verizon bloatware that the Incredible most likely will be.
Verizon probably wouldn't budge on their programming prices for the phones is the most likely reason.
I'm sure it had everything to do with the fact that why would you buy a phone for 529 when you can get almost the same phone for 199. N1 would have super failed on Verizon worse than TMO and ATT versions
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Why would the CMDA version have the same 3G issues? It would have used a completely different radio than the current N1.
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
I highly doubt that was the reason. My guess it that they either believe the Incredible would take too many N1 sales to make it profitable, or Verizon wants more control of the device than Google is willing to give them.
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Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
Regardless, it's not completely dead yet and there's still a chance Sprint will get it. I still don't know how well an unlocked CDMA phone could work though.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
I don't think they had planned to sell the phone standalone. It would have been subsidized like the t-mobile plan.
It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I believe the issues are with the radio being at the bottom, so the signal dropping by hand covering the bottom would affect it the same way.
Well, the Incredible has no bloatware to be found (see the videos on YouTube, particularly the ones by "jon4lakers"). The device is completely untouched, especially in comparison to AT&T's Backflip.
I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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You are correct, CDMA phones cannot be transferred between Sprint and Verizon
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It's not too complicated...
Neither verizon..nor HTC would like for N1 to directly compete with their new phone. Google also has mentioned many times that N1 is not a competition to other android phones. they don't want to upset their partners.
Verizon just launched incredible, which is almost the same as nexus one. Verizon can change the name of incredible to match their droid branding.. which is not possbile with nexus one
further, incredible is verizon phone and they get all the profit from it.. not google. when I was talking with t-mobile they told me that T-Mobile has no profit or financial agreement with google.. infact the subsidy on the phone is by google and not t-mobile.
Again.. i can't stress more..but all phones have problems when back is covered. All phones have specific intructions in user manual to avoid covering the back. N1 does not have 3G issues.. it's t-mobile
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
I don't get it.
Beyond not trying to screw their partnership with HTC by having both the Incredible and Nexus One on Verizon at the same time this doesn't make much sense. GSM is the way to go for an open platform anyway. It's a lot easier to just switch out the SIM. No need to contact Verizon or Sprint to let them know which phone you're running.
There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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There is overhead such as the per device training on support, stocking, advertising, that come with any handset. On cdma you do not get the advantages of having a sim and on verizon you already have another phone that is very similar but superior in some respects. Most importantly to the average user who does not know about and will never do many of the things that we would call advantages with the nexus one the things like 8 megapixel camera loom larger. It would be my guess that verizon looked at the number of expected sales versus the cost of carrying the handset and decided it didnt pencil out, simple as that. One thing for certain, it always comes down to the money.
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Very well said.
Paul,
Verizon and HTC are both together in incredible. Verizon has invested in that phone. They want it to sell more than Nexus One.
Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Google makes lot of money from N1... they released the revenue this quarter... and none of that went to T-Mobile.
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Can you provide a link for this?
I have never seen Google or T-Mobile say anything official about how the profits from the phone are distributed. (And I doubt they would do something like this, as companies usually do not.)
Actually, the article didn't say the Nexus One for Verizon was dead. It just suggested buying the Incredible, similar to how they pointed people to the Droid previously in the "can't wait" link. The AT&T N1 came from nowhere.
Paul, you may be right, but I'd wait for further clarification on this before I'd pronounce the VZ-N1 dead.
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I disagree. I see 0 downsides from having both the N1 and the Incredible available.
- The phone market in both cases is HTC, so they don't care.
- The carrier will be Verizon in both cases, so they don't care.
The only difference is that someone who has a strong preference for the N1 (standard OS, the looks, or otherwise), can get it.
A Verizon N1 will only bring in MORE customers to Verizon and HTC; there's no way it could affect either of them negatively.
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I agree with this. Further, I would think that having a DEV phone on Verizon would be hugely important to Google. Until the Incredible/Desires are rooted, there is no DEV equivalent to the N1.
Like AT&T, Verizon doesn't have to support it to allow it to connect.
If this development is true its things like this make me more and more mad at the so called "premium" companies like Verizon. Always putting restrictions on what their customers can do instead of giving them the options they want.
Isnt that what people hate Apple for too?
krabman is right. you have 2 similar products, verizon backs the incredible though. they must have sat down and crunched numbers out and figured making a cdma verizon n1 wont be worth it vs its projected sales.
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I think CDMA phones can not be transferred from Sprint to Verizon. Someone correct me if that's wrong, but I've never heard of that happening.
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It has been done before with older phones. However, I'm not to sure about the current smart phones.
Well ****. The Incredible's hardware is impressive, but it is looking to be one closed POS like every other recent HTC phone. It'll also probably have the ridiculous memory protection scheme of HTC that prevents writing to the system partition. Sounds like the deal between Google and Verizon fell through, because there's definitely code in AOSP for the CDMA mahimahi. The problem is that Verizon can decide whatever comes in or out of their network and they are likely none too pleased with Google's new business model.
No fastboot oem unlock = ABSOLUTELY the wrong direction for Android, do not like.
Maybe the outdated TouchPad 2000 that the N1 is using?
What are everyone's expectations on the bootloader situation for the Nexus 6? Is the fact that this is a NEXUS giving anyone hope it will be easy to unlock or will Verizon screw us once more?
I don't think Google would have allowed the Nexus 6 to be on Verizon unless there was an agreement in place that this phone would be handled by google. Then again, Verizon never ceases to disappoint me so ya never know.
I was wondering the exact thing. Before I get too excited... Hopefully this phone doesn't end up being the first nexus that's locked down, and that's why Verizon agreed to it.
From what I can tell there are only two models of the N6, a US version and a Worldwide version. So there's no room for Verizon to lock down the device or delay OTAs for Verizon customers specifically.
My VZW GNex didn't have a locked bootloader, so I don't see why they would be allowed to lock this one down. Locking a Nexus bootloader is sacrilege.
From what I have read on the press release on the N6 while it will be compatible for all carriers and CAN be sold at all carriers once they comply to agreements with Google.
That means that either they have to comply with all that Google is asking for with this device, or they cannot sell it in their carriers. Verizon and AT&T might have to ignore their liberties when coming to that contract, but T-Mobile and Sprint will likely bend over backwards for Google.
I have a feeling at&t and verizon will lock it down and put bloatware on it.
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I have a feeling at&t and verizon will lock it down and put bloatware on it.
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Bloatware, Si; lock down, No!
No Locked bootloader but updates may still come delayed because thats is what is happening with the Nexus 7 2013 LTE when VZW came into the picture.
I'm getting mine through Verizon but the discussion is the same.... will there be any difference between the Play Store and carrier versions. I think one of two scenarios will happen.
A. There's no difference, carriers will load them up with bloat. But who cares? If it's completely unlocked you will be easily able to root, wipe, rom, etc....
B. They lock the bootloaders. This would completely crush carrier sales. The majority of people interested in this phone are Android enthusiasts. Google knows that. Google also has to have good sales through the carriers at the new price point. So they likely would not agree to have a locked down Nexus 6 sold through carriers.
I am fairly confident the phones will be identical. This particular SoC, the 805, unlike all the other Qualcomm kits has discreet radio hardware not on the SoC. All of the 800/801 before it and the 808/810 after it have integrated radio hardware. I think this was an intentional agreement that Motorola/Google brokered with Qualcomm/Carriers. This way they can all sell one identical handset but the carriers will only push radio/modem updates to keep things working on their networks, but they will tell us that all software/OS updates will come from Google directly.
This ushers in a new paradigm in that for the first time we will have a truly unlocked device across all carriers and it is set up that way by design so carriers can control radio hardware and Motorola/Google can control the OS.
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I'm getting mine through Verizon but the discussion is the same.... will there be any difference between the Play Store and carrier versions. I think one of two scenarios will happen.
A. There's no difference, carriers will load them up with bloat. But who cares? If it's completely unlocked you will be easily able to root, wipe, rom, etc....
B. They lock the bootloaders. This would completely crush carrier sales. The majority of people interested in this phone are Android enthusiasts. Google knows that. Google also has to have good sales through the carriers at the new price point. So they likely would not agree to have a locked down Nexus 6 sold through carriers.
I am fairly confident the phones will be identical. This particular SoC, the 805, unlike all the other Qualcomm kits has discreet radio hardware not on the SoC. All of the 800/801 before it and the 808/810 after it have integrated radio hardware. I think this was an intentional agreement that Motorola/Google brokered with Qualcomm/Carriers. This way they can all sell one identical handset but the carriers will only push radio/modem updates to keep things working on their networks, but they will tell us that all software/OS updates will come from Google directly.
This ushers in a new paradigm in that for the first time we will have a truly unlocked device across all carriers and it is set up that way by design so carriers can control radio hardware and Motorola/Google can control the OS.
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Why no C? No bloat, no lock - like the N5?
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Or Verizon says, "You can use the Nexus 6 on our system only if you move to a tiered data plan".
That's a roadblock for me at least.
rootSU said:
Why no C? No bloat, no lock - like the N5?
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Well sure. It's possible. But as long as it's unlocked the addition of bloat is a moot point. You just root and uninstall the bloat. I am not familiar with the N5. None of the Nexus family has gotten my attention until now.
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From what I can tell there are only two models of the N6, a US version and a Worldwide version. So there's no room for Verizon to lock down the device or delay OTAs for Verizon customers specifically.
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Didn't know that, sweet. Well then yeah. Now I'm just wondering about the Turbo.
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Didn't know that, sweet. Well then yeah. Now I'm just wondering about the Turbo.
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I'm seriously considering grabbing the N6 myself, even though the G3 was just recently unlocked I've never had a Nexus. I'm like you though, I see all the valid points as to why our Verizon N6 shouldn't be locked... But it's Verizon lol would it totally surprise you if it did end up being locked down??
The Turbo on the other hand most certainly will be locked down no?
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I'm seriously considering grabbing the N6 myself, even though the G3 was just recently unlocked I've never had a Nexus. I'm like you though, I see all the valid points as to why our Verizon N6 shouldn't be locked... But it's Verizon lol would it totally surprise you if it did end up being locked down??
The Turbo on the other hand most certainly will be locked down no?
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I will only buy unlocked phones as I still am on the unlimited plan. I really hate that verizon has locked down many phones that I have wanted. I would buy the droid turbo or nexus 6 as long it's unlocked.
The Droid Turbo is probably locked down pretty good, if the previous Droids are any indicator.
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I'm personally looking forward to the Nexus 6 but I'm really hoping it will come bootloader unlocked or I'm seriously considering dumping VZW, after having two straight phones with unlocked bootloaders I'm seriously looking forward to it again
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The Droid Turbo is probably locked down pretty good, if the previous Droids are any indicator.
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I agree with this ... It'll be nice and locked down I'd imagine.
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I'm personally looking forward to the Nexus 6 but I'm really hoping it will come bootloader unlocked or I'm seriously considering dumping VZW, after having two straight phones with unlocked bootloaders I'm seriously looking forward to it again
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Smartest thing to do probably is not get it on launch and just wait and see. I'd think it will be unlocked like many others have said.
One thing I'm wishing the N6 had though was a removable battery. 32/64 GB internal memory makes up for no SD card but... I really like having 2 batteries and it's a 3200mah battery right??
That Turbo battery is ridiculous..
Coming from a GNex running shiny ROM, I'm excited about the N6, I figure it would have to be unlocked being a Nexus device, however VZ has screwed us before.
I'm somewhat worried about the size, but could get over that. I'm figuring that with luck, VZ will place it on edge/installment, no one is going to outright buy it in their store IMO...
I just talked with a verizon rep in their live chat, they told me that there will be an announcement the 31st about when the phone can be ordered.
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I just talked with a verizon rep in their live chat, they told me that there will be an announcement the 31st about when the phone can be ordered.
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Probably the same rep that said it was being released last Saturday, in February, and doesn't know what an N6 is but would be happy to help you purchase a Droid Turbo.
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lol. just spoke with "jerry" via live chat. got same thing i've been getting since initial release:
At this time, we have not been provided information regarding the release of the Nexus 6.
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I called and talked to a rep last week. He had no information either. I've been (im)patiently waiting since the day Google announced the phone. I was only a couple of days away from being able to upgrade, and had my mind set on a Note 4. I've been getting more frustrated every day, as one of my co-workers went and looked at the N6 at the freaking US Cellular store. US Cellular! They have it before Verizon... I'm concerned that Verizon is taking all of this time to lock the phone as tight as the Note 4, which is still un-rooted on VZW. I live in a small rural area where our ONLY coverage is VZW and USC.
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I'm concerned that Verizon is taking all of this time to lock the phone as tight as the Note 4, which is still un-rooted on VZW. I live in a small rural area where our ONLY coverage is VZW and USC.
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Thank Samsung for that. I don't know why anyone thought differently given the Note 3 bounty is *still* outstanding. And with Android L's change wrt kernel and root...odds are it will never be rooted.
Vote with your wallet people. Don't give Samsung a dime for their Knox crapware.
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Thank Samsung for that. I don't know why anyone thought differently given the Note 3 bounty is *still* outstanding. And with Android L's change wrt kernel and root...odds are it will never be rooted.
Vote with your wallet people. Don't give Samsung a dime for their Knox crapware.
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Oh, I agree somewhat. Knox blows. Samsung Touchwiz is my least favorite. BUT, the Note 4 is rooted already for the other carriers in the USA, but even (last I checked) over $11000 worth of bounty for root access on the VZW version hasn't had any success. If that was because of Samsung, the Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T versions wouldn't already have root access. The Note 4 hardware is amazing, we just need the ability to put different software on it. I hate Verizon... I may switch to US Cellular someday. They historically haven't had flagship phones available until the last year or two. But, there still isn't much in the way of Dev support here for their phones. What good is a monster phone if we can't hack and crack a bit? LOL
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Oh, I agree somewhat. Knox blows. Samsung Touchwiz is my least favorite. BUT, the Note 4 is rooted already for the other carriers in the USA, but even (last I checked) over $11000 worth of bounty for root access on the VZW version hasn't had any success. If that was because of Samsung, the Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T versions wouldn't already have root access. The Note 4 hardware is amazing, we just need the ability to put different software on it. I hate Verizon... I may switch to US Cellular someday. They historically haven't had flagship phones available until the last year or two. But, there still isn't much in the way of Dev support here for their phones. What good is a monster phone if we can't hack and crack a bit? LOL
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Half the problem with dev support is the insistence that every USA carrier have a unique SKU and mutually incompatible firmware. Which leads to community dev fragmentation to the max. Which is squarely on the manufacturer to blame. Knox and the locked bootloaders are also on the manufacturer. With Samsung's mobile division bleeding oodles and gobs of money this year, maybe Samsung will mend their ways.
Samsung's problem is that they went from making 2-3 high quality handsets under one brand (Galaxy)....to making dozens of handsets each with 5+ different unique carrier/region-specific SKUs.
An announcement on the 31st on when Nexus 6? What that it can be pre ordered in March or something and maybe 1,000 available
There are two golden rules you should keep in mind when speaking to ANY type of VZW rep:
1 - they have absolutely no information on the phone, its release or anything else related to it - plain and simple.
2 - they have been instructed to try to keep you on VZW, so anything of a delaying comment that will keep you hanging on while the first rule is in effect works for them, not you.
The phone only has two SKU's - We're going to find that VZ will allow it on the network (because they have to) and they won't sell it.
I said it first, and time will bear it out. I hope I'm incorrect. the only thing that will indicate it is here on VZ is a press release or seeing it on the website by magic, period. Anything else is just pure speculation and wishing.
Well, heres to pure speculation and wishing...:highfive:
But forreal. You suck vzw.
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There are two golden rules you should keep in mind when speaking to ANY type of VZW rep:
1 - they have absolutely no information on the phone, its release or anything else related to it - plain and simple.
2 - they have been instructed to try to keep you on VZW, so anything of a delaying comment that will keep you hanging on while the first rule is in effect works for them, not you.
The phone only has two SKU's - We're going to find that VZ will allow it on the network (because they have to) and they won't sell it.
I said it first, and time will bear it out. I hope I'm incorrect. the only thing that will indicate it is here on VZ is a press release or seeing it on the website by magic, period. Anything else is just pure speculation and wishing.
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It is extremely unlikely at this point that Verizon will carry this phone in stores. That has been the speculation from the very beginning. Big Red will allow it on its network, but will never sell the device.
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Well, heres to pure speculation and wishing...:highfive:
But forreal. You suck vzw.
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+ 1000000000
I just talked to my inside business rep and she just found out that it is not being released until February. Pretty pissed!
Winter is coming...
Be ready cuz its coming... The Motorola Droid Turbo 6! It will be full of bloat and skinned in the most obnoxious Motorola overlay. I'm sure it will have all the same specs with maybe a faster processor. It will have 5 different Verizon logos plastered all over it. Of course the bootloader will be locked and we will never see root!... God I love Verizon!
I just had a meditation session with my spiritual king. He let it be known to me that Verizon will release the Nexus 6 in... and then the session ended. I'll try again tomorrow.
The number of people posting their opinions as fact in this thread is hilarious. Nobody knows anything, period.
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Nexus 6 on Verizon
My Motorola bought Nexus 6 works great on Verizon, and with Moto Credit im paying just like you would if you used the "edge" program from VZW... Oh and i didnt have to give Verizon any cut of the sales which is just icing on the cake!
Why wait? Buy one from another carrier, swap Sims.
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We probably wont see any Nexus 6 in stores at all. Nobody has the Nexus 6 locally on any carrier cause its sold out.(I've checked, XMas present.) If Verizon wanted the sales they would have already done it.
When i went into Verizon to get a nano sim for my N6 they didn't even know wtf it is. They're like oh that's not going to work on our network... I had to walk them through what to do to get my device working.
Looks like Motorola DID write the updates, but it's AT&T and VZW holding them back
http://www.wi-fi.org/product-finder...sort_order=desc&keywords=XT1096,XT1097,XT1095
The updates went to the WiFi Alliance for certification. Maybe AT&T and VZW will stop dragging their feet and let us have it.
Why would they do that ughh makes me so angry
Just bought the phone a month ago purely because i was hoping it would get marshmallow
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Why would they do that ughh makes me so angry
Just bought the phone a month ago purely because i was hoping it would get marshmallow
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So they can sell you a new phone of course same reason batteries are no longer user replaceable. Carrier greed.
I'm guessing this is still part of the story. Pure speculation, but perhaps Moto offered the stock updates, the carriers said OK, now go add all this bloat and test that everything still works, and Moto said we don't have the resources to test your bloat... I have no idea, but I'm guessing there is more to it that just what we know.
I think Motorola hands the software over to the carriers and they add and test it. I'm thinking that there is something to an agreement to sell a particular phone that guarantees a certain number of updates or something like that and that agreement is up for the 2014 Moto X with the carriers.
So in that case Motorola can make the update but the carriers aren't obligated to release it.
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If this is the case, why hasn't the Pure Edition/XT1095 gotten the update? It seems odd to me that they would willingly hold up an update for the XT1095 so that they could release it at the same time as the carrier versions of the phone... My guess (just a guess) is that they might still be working on stability with some of the Moto features when run on Marshmallow.
What we don't know is if Motorola is testing an update now. The testing for 5.1 took months, with multiple builds pushed out the test group from what I understand.
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What we don't know is if Motorola is testing an update now. The testing for 5.1 took months, with multiple builds pushed out the test group from what I understand.
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Maybe it's just me (I very well could be hallucinating) but I've always noticed that before I get an update my battery life gets a tad wonky. It's gotten to the point where if I go a few days where my battery dies more quickly than usual I'm like "Wait, are they going to push an update, soon?"
Again, I could be hallucinating. :silly:
This changes everything and makes it a totally avoidable PR disaster. Everyone was ready to lynch Motorola for not updating the carrier versions. The fact that Moto didn't speak out about the carriers blocking it is fascinating and I can't figure out why they'd do it., since they don't really need carriers anymore as they sell everything unlocked, unless maybe they still put them in retail locations or if they have enterprise deals for backend systems. Either way if this is true, Motorola is jumping on a grenade to save someone else.
We'll see how the rest of the life cycle of these phones goes, but maybe I can buy another Moto after all. If they keep punctual updates coming, maybe a black friday 2016 X is in my future.
People should stop bashing phone manufactures when it's usually the carriers fault for the lack of updates. This is very typical in the US where AT&T and VZW are the biggest blame since they control the major herds.
Phone manufactures provide the updates, but it's up to carriers (and their carrier branded phones) to decide if they want an older phone to receive an update or just fool mindless sheep and let them them buy a new phone if they want the latest and greatest. Simple as that.
Also.... Welcome to the consumer era! Where anything is old the next day! Why spend precious time on old hardware when they can sell you a new fancy phone for the same price or twice as much?! You know you can't say no to that if you're technologically impaired!
So for sure the Verizon Moto X 2014 XT1096 will not get an update to allow for simultaneous voice and data? I really only care about VoLTE. Is that never coming to the Verizon Moto X 2014?
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So for sure the Verizon Moto X 2014 XT1096 will not get an update to allow for simultaneous voice and data? I really only care about VoLTE. Is that never coming to the Verizon Moto X 2014?
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No, it's never coming. The verizon model will not receive anymore updates.
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No, it's never coming. The verizon model will not receive anymore updates.
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The phone has such a nice form factor, nicer than the Moto X PE. It's a shame it has been EOL'ed w/o VoLTE. Sigh. I wonder if it was Verizon or Lenovo who cut off the Moto X 14 from VoLTE update?
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No, it's never coming. The verizon model will not receive anymore updates.
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Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source on this I can direct my anger towards?
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The phone has such a nice form factor, nicer than the Moto X PE. It's a shame it has been EOL'ed w/o VoLTE. Sigh. I wonder if it was Verizon or Lenovo who cut off the Moto X 14 from VoLTE update?
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It was verizon. All the Moto X 2014 models will get one last update to 6.0, except for the verizon and at&t models which will stay on 5.1 which it has now.
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Not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source on this I can direct my anger towards?
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http://motorola-blog.blogspot.cl/2015/10/marshmallow-and-smore.html?m=1
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I have a MM ROM on my tablet and I really don't see what the fuss is about. The Moto X 2014 is still a great phone. MM doesn't bring anything really new to the table. I'd much rather have root than an OTA.
For me I was hoping that the MM update would finally fix the bluetooth/wifi issues that have plagued this phone since I got it.
Well, now I'm sure that we won't get the 6.0 update.
Motorola has updated the list of devices to receive Marshmallow on its site and we are not there, again.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/09/motorola-says-the-moto-e-2015-is-getting-marshmallow-after-all-just-not-in-the-usa/
In the link you can see more details.
We really need root method...
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Well, now I'm sure that we won't get the 6.0 update.
Motorola has updated the list of devices to receive Marshmallow on its site and we are not there, again.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/12/09/motorola-says-the-moto-e-2015-is-getting-marshmallow-after-all-just-not-in-the-usa/
In the link you can see more details.
We really need root method...
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The article says that 4 new models are "ADDED". The Moto x 2014 Pure (aka XT1095) was in the original list given by them.
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The article says that 4 new models are "ADDED". The Moto x 2014 Pure (aka XT1095) was in the original list given by them.
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I already know that...
This thread is about xt1096 verizon and xt1097 at&t models and they are not in the list.
Bad news for you guys in the US, seems like Verizon has taken control of updates for their handsets and those purchased in Best buy. Poor show from Google but it was probably the only way they could sign up with a major carrier over there. Google is doing security updates however.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/6/13191614/verizon-google-pixel-android-updates
* potentially * bad news. Won't know for sure until the first major update.
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Bad news for you guys in the US, seems like Verizon has taken control of updates for their handsets and those purchased in Best buy. Poor show from Google but it was probably the only way they could sign up with a major carrier over there. Google is doing security updates however.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/6/13191614/verizon-google-pixel-android-updates
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Why is it bad for us in the US the smart people know verizon and play store version is same price pretty much such as me I bought play store version only new android users who saw add on verizon and don't know about stock android bloat free will go for verizon verizon pixel will have bloat +1 i got play store stock varient
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* potentially * bad news. Won't know for sure until the first major update.
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I saw apost by verizon saying it will control the updates sucks for verizon pixel users.
I still say it is only potentially bad news, but maybe I'm just optimistic. If V can get the updates out with a month or two, I'll be happy.
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I still say it is only potentially bad news, but maybe I'm just optimistic. If V can get the updates out with a month or two, I'll be happy.
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Since the Google version and Verizon version are identical with hardware I hope some dev finds away to flash the stock Google image to a verizon pixel. Kinda like the one phone amazon was selling with ads(I believe it was the Motorola phone).
Anyone know the details on the Google version not having Wi-Fi calling and hd voice?
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Anyone know the details on the Google version not having Wi-Fi calling and hd voice?
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I can tell you from experience that my N6P was a google store purchase running on the EE network here in the UK. I did get WiFi calling but despite the network supporting it and allegedly the phone too I never got VOLTE (Did have HD voice but that's been standard in the UK for years now)
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Anyone know the details on the Google version not having Wi-Fi calling and hd voice?
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This is the exact reason I ordered the Verizon version. I wanted to ensure I got Wifi calling, HD voice and visual voicemail.
A few sites have already confirmed that there is minimal bloatware that can be uninstalled. Although it might take a little longer for updates it cant be worse than AT&T that I have currently.
It will have to have WiFi calling since they run projectFi.
I want to know how updates will be handled if you have a T-Mobile sim in a Verizon pixel
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This is the exact reason I ordered the Verizon version. I wanted to ensure I got Wifi calling, HD voice and visual voicemail.
A few sites have already confirmed that there is minimal bloatware that can be uninstalled. Although it might take a little longer for updates it cant be worse than AT&T that I have currently.
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I too pre-ordered the Verizon variant. Google wont allow Verizon to hang onto the updates very long anyways which I don't even care about. I am just concerned with the Verizon HD voice and Wifi calling. I also don't care that the bootloader is locked. Custom roms are buggy as hell (I know I'm on one now on my G3) and they usually break important features. I also get a free daydream VR headset which cosys $100 and the Google Store purchasers don't get anything free! Haha
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I too pre-ordered the Verizon variant. Google wont allow Verizon to hang onto the updates very long anyways which I don't even care about. I am just concerned with the Verizon HD voice and Wifi calling. I also don't care that the bootloader is locked. Custom roms are buggy as hell (I know I'm on one now on my G3) and they usually break important features. I also get a free daydream VR headset which cosys $100 and the Google Store purchasers don't get anything free! Haha
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Pre-Orders from the Google Store get a free Daydream VR headset too
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Pre-Orders from the Google Store get a free Daydream VR headset too
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Oh, my bad. Good stuff. Can't wait to walk around blindly breaking all kinds of stuff in the house. My wife's really gonna love this contraption! Haha. Let's see how fast this thing goes in a droor to collect dust.
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This is the exact reason I ordered the Verizon version. I wanted to ensure I got Wifi calling, HD voice and visual voicemail.
A few sites have already confirmed that there is minimal bloatware that can be uninstalled. Although it might take a little longer for updates it cant be worse than AT&T that I have currently.
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The Google store version will have this available for both
T-Mobile and Verizon sims. You don't have to buy it from Verizon for this feature. Also project Fi uses it as well.
I don't think or should i say hope that there will not be that much of a delay , maybe a one to two week delay if that. I would say that google might delay the official non beta release to time more with Verizon to make it seem like they are pushing them out faster at lease for the first major update. I honestly cant see it taking that long for Verizon to test reliability on the network. since the phone will still be mostly pure android there isn't much else for Verizon to get there paws on to mess with besides the 3 apps they have on there. a few weeks will still be better then any other android out there , I think the fastest ive seen a device besides a nexus get the current android version was around 3 months or longer so anything has to be better then that lol
This could be hopeful thinking cause i ordered through Verizon
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I don't think or should i say hope that there will not be that much of a delay , maybe a one to two week delay if that. I would say that google might delay the official non beta release to time more with Verizon to make it seem like they are pushing them out faster at lease for the first major update. I honestly cant see it taking that long for Verizon to test reliability on the network. since the phone will still be mostly pure android there isn't much else for Verizon to get there paws on to mess with besides the 3 apps they have on there. a few weeks will still be better then any other android out there , I think the fastest ive seen a device besides a nexus get the current android version was around 3 months or longer so anything has to be better then that lol
This could be hopeful thinking cause i ordered through Verizon
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Verizon has a bad record of not delivering as promised. They also don't respect pure Android and will surely bog it down with all of their crap software. They also will take their sweet time with updates as they do with every other device, even when the manufacturer said they will be timely. All companies except apple get burnt with Verizon. Big Red could care less about what their customers want. As long as you are using their service, they got you. And with the Verizon Pixel, you have no other options. I hope I am wrong, but it's Verizon we are talking about.
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Verizon has a bad record of not delivering as promised. They also don't respect pure Android and will surely bog it down with all of their crap software. They also will take their sweet time with updates as they do with every other device, even when the manufacturer said they will be timely. All companies except apple get burnt with Verizon. Big Red could care less about what their customers want. As long as you are using their service, they got you. And with the Verizon Pixel, you have no other options. I hope I am wrong, but it's Verizon we are talking about.
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Well there is always another option , buy from google store lol . Very true Verizon sucks balls when it comes to updates for anything wont argue with that ... maybe they will surprise us all with the Pixel ?? yeah probably not lol. I wonder how much worse or better the other carriers are? i don't remember att being all that much better but i only had one android with them
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Well there is always another option , buy from google store lol . Very true Verizon sucks balls when it comes to updates for anything wont argue with that ... maybe they will surprise us all with the Pixel ?? yeah probably not lol. I wonder how much worse or better the other carriers are? i don't remember att being all that much better but i only had one android with them
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You could buy it from Google store and then pop a Verizon sim in it. Then you would have the Google version on Verizon service. You wouldn't be at the mercy of Verizon that way.
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You could buy it from Google store and then pop a Verizon sim in it. Then you would have the Google version on Verizon service. You wouldn't be at the mercy of Verizon that way.
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I know, but decided to just get though verizon could be a bad choice but not really that big of a deal, ill keep my 6P if i have the urge to tinker lol
razor237 said:
Well there is always another option , buy from google store lol . Very true Verizon sucks balls when it comes to updates for anything wont argue with that ... maybe they will surprise us all with the Pixel ?? yeah probably not lol. I wonder how much worse or better the other carriers are? i don't remember att being all that much better but i only had one android with them
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I can't understand why people always say the Verizon is bad at pushing updates. For at least the last 3 years they are the first of all major U.S. carriers to push updates to LG and Samsung. Don't know about HTC as I've never owned one but my LG G2, G3 and G4 all got their updates before any of the other carriers and the same with my Note 7 for the 2 small updates it did receive. Verizon will handle the Pixel's updates just fine. They always did with all the latest flagships for years now. I think people just have an advanced hatred for Verizon for god knows what reason but I've tried every major U.S. carrier and Verizon is hands down the best. The limited data crap sucks but now it's technically unlimited but throttled after you blow through the amout you pay for. I'm more than happy to get my Pixel XL through Verizon. They always deliver and never ask questions if I have a faulty device.