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I had an iPhone4 before I got my atrix and I had unlimited data on my iphone, so I bought my atrix without a contract in order to keep that data plan. I received the following text message this morning:
Did you know an eligible data plan is required for your 4G smartphone? Pls call 611 to select a plan and establish your 4g data connection today
Right now i am beyond angry because it seems like they are just trying to take away my unlimited data. The reason I say this is because the iPhone 4 does the handshaking to get true HSUPA and my phone does not. Therefore I am paying for a plan with a service that doesnt even exist, where my original plan (for the iphone 4) actually covers HSUPA. Does anyone know a way around this? I definitely dont want to lose my unlimited data. Is there anyway to get out of my contract? I would just as soon switch carriers before giving into paying for a crappy data plan (no offense to anyone who has the plan, you just didnt have the option ) on a crappy carrier.
Thanks for the help in advance.
go on their website att.com
you can actually select an unlimited 4g plan i m pretty sure
pick it and report back
I switched from iPhone unlimited to Android unlimited - they will let you do that. But you will not get HSUPA until the phone is updated.
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You will not get HSUPA until the phone is updated.
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by motorola, att has nothing to do with it
They don't want the unlimited plans out there. The are going to force all non I-phone users to go to tiered plans. Once they take it off, you will not be able to get them to give it back either. If you don't go with the tiered plan, when u use the non iphone device, they will throttle your throughput at 2 gb. It is a horrible decrease in speed. Still have unlimited, only it is extremely frustrating when you hit the 2 gb limit. Remeber, in AT&T's eyes, it's not about you.
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They don't want the unlimited plans out there. The are going to force all non I-phone users to go to tiered plans. Once they take it off, you will not be able to get them to give it back either. If you don't go with the tiered plan, when u use the non iphone device, they will throttle your throughput at 2 gb. It is a horrible decrease in speed. Still have unlimited, only it is extremely frustrating when you hit the 2 gb limit. Remeber, in AT&T's eyes, it's not about you.
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Yeah, it almost makes me want to switch to a tiered plan and just pay the $10 for an extra GB if I need it and avoid the throttling. It's quite frustrating. Makes me really want to switch to Sprint.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/12/sprints-dan-hesse-differentiates-between-unlimited-and-unlimit/
http://androidcommunity.com/motorola-atrix-xoom-headed-to-sprint-with-wimax-4g-rumor-20110317/
They will grandfather you into the unlimited plan.. you didn't have to buy off contract to so that...
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They don't want the unlimited plans out there. The are going to force all non I-phone users to go to tiered plans. Once they take it off, you will not be able to get them to give it back either. If you don't go with the tiered plan, when u use the non iphone device, they will throttle your throughput at 2 gb. It is a horrible decrease in speed. Still have unlimited, only it is extremely frustrating when you hit the 2 gb limit. Remeber, in AT&T's eyes, it's not about you.
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proof?
I've been using my old iPhone unlimited data plan since last year when I picked up the Nexus One. I am still using my unlimited data plan with my Motorola Atrix. My speeds aren't throttled (except HSUPA which is NOT due to me being on an unlimited plan) and I have gone above 2GB several times since switching to Android and have not been charged for it, penalized, or had my speeds throttled.
OP: AT&T will let you keep your unlimited iPhone data plan for your Atrix. I have it, many others on this forum have it.
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proof?
I've been using my old iPhone unlimited data plan since last year when I picked up the Nexus One. I am still using my unlimited data plan with my Motorola Atrix. My speeds aren't throttled (except HSUPA which is NOT due to me being on an unlimited plan) and I have gone above 2GB several times since switching to Android and have not been charged for it, penalized, or had my speeds throttled.
OP: AT&T will let you keep your unlimited iPhone data plan for your Atrix. I have it, many others on this forum have it.
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some crazy dudes with an iphone was pulling 90gb/ month
a little much if u ask me ....
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1119791
it's most likely because you didn't switch your current data plan to a non-iphone smartphone plan. they are different plans in the way that they handle data. you can keep your unlimited when switching across data plan types (i.e. i went from BB data plan to regular smartphone unlimited). but since you didn't switch it over, they flagged you since your IMEI gives up that you are no longer using an iPhone.
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My speeds aren't throttled (except HSUPA which is NOT due to me being on an unlimited plan) and I have gone above 2GB several times since switching to Android and have not been charged for it, penalized, or had my speeds throttled.
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The cap for unlimited is 5GB, not 2GB.
like others have said they will switch you to an unlimited non iphone data plan. same thing happened to me. the rep said "oh we dont offer the unlimited plan anymore" I told her that I should be grandfathered in since I had the unlimited plan before, she put me on hold, then 5 min later she came back and said i was right and put me on the unlimited non iphone plan
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it's most likely because you didn't switch your current data plan to a non-iphone smartphone plan. they are different plans in the way that they handle data. you can keep your unlimited when switching across data plan types (i.e. i went from BB data plan to regular smartphone unlimited). but since you didn't switch it over, they flagged you since your IMEI gives up that you are no longer using an iPhone.
The cap for unlimited is 5GB, not 2GB.
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apolloms said:
like others have said they will switch you to an unlimited non iphone data plan. same thing happened to me. the rep said "oh we dont offer the unlimited plan anymore" I told her that I should be grandfathered in since I had the unlimited plan before, she put me on hold, then 5 min later she came back and said i was right and put me on the unlimited non iphone plan
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I'm sorry but I keep laughing about this. It's just funny it is being referred to as "non-iphone plan".
That should be Apple's new slogan:
"Because if you don't have an iPhone, you have a non-iPhone"
I have unlimited...
When I went to the AT&T store last week to get my Atrix, I specifically asked them if we would have to get a new plan for 4G, or could we keep our grandfathered unlimited plan from my iPhone. She told me there was no extra charge, and gave me a 4G sim card to boot! I am not in a 4G area, so I won't know if I will get charged or not, but the store rep told me that even if I used 4G, I wouldn't have to pay any other extra fees.
Unlimited data plans are also for 3g ONLY! Not sure if that was mentioned. If you lucky enough to live in an area where H+ is live you have to go to the 2gb or 4gb data plan to get those speeds, which right now are barely faster than 3g download and the upload is horrible.
You also didnt have to buy the phone out of contract. I bought mine with my upgrade for $200 and was grand fathered over too my 3g data plan which is called the Smart phone unlimited.
Verizon with there 17-20mb download on there LTE network is looking pretty good now. But thats still not even live in my area so it doesnt madder.
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I'm sorry but I keep laughing about this. It's just funny it is being referred to as "non-iphone plan".
That should be Apple's new slogan:
"Because if you don't have an iPhone, you have a non-iPhone"
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Well the OP stated that he had an iPhone before. If he had a BB before, I would have said a "non-BB data plan".
JayRolla said:
Unlimited data plans are also for 3g ONLY! Not sure if that was mentioned. If you lucky enough to live in an area where H+ is live you have to go to the 2gb or 4gb data plan to get those speeds, which right now are barely faster than 3g download and the upload is horrible.
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Well that's just not true at all.
JayRolla said:
Unlimited data plans are also for 3g ONLY! Not sure if that was mentioned. If you lucky enough to live in an area where H+ is live you have to go to the 2gb or 4gb data plan to get those speeds, which right now are barely faster than 3g download and the upload is horrible.
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You're in incorrect in that. Its unlimited regardless of network connection speed...
Try again...
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I went to. Costco and the Guy there kept me on my unlimited plan. I even called att to make sure and the Rep put me on hold so she could talk to the manager and they said I'm allowed to grandfather my plan.
If you guys are having trouble, ask the Rep to talk to the manager.
co.ag.2005 said:
proof?
I've been using my old iPhone unlimited data plan since last year when I picked up the Nexus One. I am still using my unlimited data plan with my Motorola Atrix. My speeds aren't throttled (except HSUPA which is NOT due to me being on an unlimited plan) and I have gone above 2GB several times since switching to Android and have not been charged for it, penalized, or had my speeds throttled.
OP: AT&T will let you keep your unlimited iPhone data plan for your Atrix. I have it, many others on this forum have it.
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What he said! I switched from unlimited with iPhone 4 and have unlimited 4G data now on Atrix. They tried to tell me I had to pick one of their teired data plans and I said thanks but no thanks give me my grandfathered unlimited and they did.
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When I went to the AT&T store last week to get my Atrix, I specifically asked them if we would have to get a new plan for 4G, or could we keep our grandfathered unlimited plan from my iPhone. She told me there was no extra charge, and gave me a 4G sim card to boot! I am not in a 4G area, so I won't know if I will get charged or not, but the store rep told me that even if I used 4G, I wouldn't have to pay any other extra fees.
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I have no idea what that "4G" sim is going to do for you considering it won't be needed until AT&T rolls out LTE. The so-called "4G" that the Atrix uses (HSDPA+) is still a 3G technology and 3G sim cards work on it.
I just checked my bill and it says that my current data and messaging plan is set to expire on 04/07/2011. I can get a Smartphone Unlimited data and 1500 messaging for the same price. Haven't made any change yet. Will call AT&T Monday and see what happens.
Not sure if you all knew, which most probably did and I'm just stupid. But Tmobile introduced a new plan on 5-23-2011 that caps and throttles you at 10GB instead of 5GB. I found out about this from a friend who recently was shopping for a new carrier and a store rep had said it was available. I just called Tmobile and sure enough they now offer it as well as a 2GB with overages. Heres the link for reference:
http://mobile-broadband.t-mobile.com/plans
Only problem from what I can tell is you need to sign a new agreement. So any grandfathered plan you might currently be on goes out the door. That was a deal breaker for me as I love my 5 faves! For now anyways. I know I personally hit the 5GB limit once and got close a couple other times so I am still considering my options. At least we can include this as another one now though
I have an unlimited (real unlimited) plan so, they keep trying to get me to change the plan ........... but NOOOOOOOOO WAY........ Nice to know, a 10 gig plan is really a decent size
Out of curiosity, why not get an unlimited plan on Verizon's smartphones?
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Out of curiosity, why not get an unlimited plan on Verizon's smartphones?
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Because we are on T-Mobile? >.>
Plus Verizon is getting rid of their unlimited plan, AND adding family data sharing plans, so it's even worse lol.
Sure you get grandfathered in, but T-Mobile 3G > Verizon 3G, LTE will get slower as more phones/tablets are released, so I'd rather stick with a carrier I know is reliable, fast, and cheap. ^^
Out of curiosity, why not get an unlimited plan on Verizon's smartphones?
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Because droids suck excluding charge an lte kills battery tmo 3G is fast I get 6MBS an plus I like having money in my pocket
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Longcat14 said:
Because we are on T-Mobile? >.>
Plus Verizon is getting rid of their unlimited plan, AND adding family data sharing plans, so it's even worse lol.
Sure you get grandfathered in, but T-Mobile 3G > Verizon 3G, LTE will get slower as more phones/tablets are released, so I'd rather stick with a carrier I know is reliable, fast, and cheap. ^^
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I agree, from what I understand Verizon is implementing a tiered plan system also with the release of their IPhone5 and "Bionic". Of course as with any carrier if ur in a situation where ur getting a "grandfathered" plan usually its gonna be better than whatever their offering you in some way. Their just offering one thing to try to lure you away from what you already got. I just posted this for those that are not on a true "unlimited" plan and do get throttled at 5GB. A higher cap is something I personally was hoping for after being throttled my first time.
I thought that my grandfathered plan with the my faves was better until I started looking at what I really use. I had a my faves plan with 1800 minutes and unlimited data. (BTW those old unlimited data plans cap high speed at 2GB not the 5GB that most are thinking, then you are throttled)
I ended up changing to the unlimited talk text and data (with the 5GB cap on high speed per line) and saved about $25 a month. (family plan)
They are all unlimited data plans, the only difference is that they are not putting the high speed cap in the fine print any longer, It's there as bold as can be.
I use about 3.5GB a month and my wife uses about 2.5 GB a month so paying for anymore high speed that I need didn't make sense.
cjggilbert said:
I thought that my grandfathered plan with the my faves was better until I started looking at what I really use. I had a my faves plan with 1800 minutes and unlimited data. (BTW those old unlimited data plans cap high speed at 2GB not the 5GB that most are thinking, then you are throttled)
I ended up changing to the unlimited talk text and data (with the 5GB cap on high speed per line) and saved about $25 a month. (family plan)
They are all unlimited data plans, the only difference is that they are not putting the high speed cap in the fine print any longer, It's there as bold as can be.
I use about 3.5GB a month and my wife uses about 2.5 GB a month so paying for anymore high speed that I need didn't make sense.
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I use around 7-8GB a month (and I WAS on the 5GB plan, so I'd get capped every month, and just deal with the EDGE like speeds), and these new plans that they offer are amazing. 10GB plan now, and I won't get capped every month. ^^
cjggilbert said:
I thought that my grandfathered plan with the my faves was better until I started looking at what I really use. I had a my faves plan with 1800 minutes and unlimited data. (BTW those old unlimited data plans cap high speed at 2GB not the 5GB that most are thinking, then you are throttled)
I ended up changing to the unlimited talk text and data (with the 5GB cap on high speed per line) and saved about $25 a month. (family plan)
They are all unlimited data plans, the only difference is that they are not putting the high speed cap in the fine print any longer, It's there as bold as can be.
I use about 3.5GB a month and my wife uses about 2.5 GB a month so paying for anymore high speed that I need didn't make sense.
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I started looking at this too. We are on 1800 family plan, fave 5, unlimited texts, w/family allowances. In the past 3 months neither my wife nor I have used more than 1.3 gb. Can make the same switch (though 2gb), upgrade our daughter from a feature phone to an android with unlimited minutes & texts + 2gb and pay the same or a few bucks less each month
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Right now im at 13GB, haven't been capped even though I got the text message saying so. Last month was the same. Didn't get throttled.
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Yayy for at&ts 200mb plan!! -__-
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I got tmobile 2g dat and i already spend it and now i got 22.11 data so is they gonna charge me for keep using the internet ?
Sorry If has been asked, I searched and found no thread similar with the name.
But my T Mobile 2 year contract expires soon, and I was thinking of switching BACK over to Simple Mobile, Unlimited everything 50$ a month.
I am guessing there shouldn't be a problem since simple mobile use t mobiles network towers, but I just want to make sure. Thank You.
it will be fine, simple mobile runs on tmobile. Just do some research on howard forums on prepaid networks. Simple mobile is good if you have to do some international calls as they give u 5 bix a month credit for their unlimited plam.
However based on reports i have read, their unlimited is really about 2gigs. And sometimes they may even cut off data completely. With Straight talk you can choose between tmobile and att and they only throttle you.....
ijip said:
it will be fine, simple mobile runs on tmobile. Just do some research on howard forums on prepaid networks. Simple mobile is good if you have to do some international calls as they give u 5 bix a month credit for their unlimited plam.
However based on reports i have read, their unlimited is really about 2gigs. And sometimes they may even cut off data completely. With Straight talk you can choose between tmobile and att and they only throttle you.....
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So are you saying simple mobile's data on their $50 plan is only 2 gig? How about their $40 plan...im planning on getting that!!!!
sLiKK said:
So are you saying simple mobile's data on their $50 plan is only 2 gig? How about their $40 plan...im planning on getting that!!!!
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Actually, not he $50 SimpleMobile plan is not limited to 2gigs, its "Unlimited" - To what they define as "Unlimited" I can not say for certain.
They claim to be truly Unlimited; After speaking with their Customer Service, they stated they have not data cap. They will have ever Throttle your speeds (from 4G to 3G) if you violate their TOU/T&C (which you can find on their website; and states crap like do not run a server over their network [technically t-mobiles network] no pirating stuff, etc.. the usual stuff)
With the $40 plan, you are limited to 250mb of 4G, so why not spend the extra $10 and have "Unlimited"
My cousin uses Simple Mobile in Florida, he uses the hell out of it.. He turns his Nexus7 into a Hotspot and connects his laptop to it (while this is a violation of the T&C) and he has yet to be throttled or had service terminated... (the trick to the Hotspot/Tether is to mirror your laptops MAC to that of the device you have the data service through, so they don't notice 2 different device accessing the same data connection)
So you get the $50 Unlimited plan, you max out your usage, they throttle you, you wait until the next month to start fresh, or you Port your number to a new carrier and max out that internet.. No where in the US will you find truly Unlimited Data anymore (Sprint Lies!)
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No where in the US will you find truly Unlimited Data anymore (Sprint Lies!)
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Sprints definitely unlimited...I once used 30gb of their 4g wimax in a month tethering a dd-wrt router to my whole house while time warner was down. But that apartment seemed to be the only place in the city where 4g worked well. Everywhere else its 100kbps max 3g. Lots of places barely get 10kbps and have >1 sec ping. Really hope my nexus 4 gets here soon so I can kick sprint to the curb.
Also check your crappy local stores for simple mobile sims. I just bought one from a shady liquor store for less than the website.
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From personal experience the $40 plan is capped at 2gigs then throttled and $50 plan is capped at 5gigs then they cut it of completely so I switched to T-Mobile $30 100 minutes unlimited text and 5gigs of 4g data then I get throttled
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OK IMHO if you're considering simple mobile, which is a tracfone, I would recommend getting straight talk/telcel $45 or net10 $50 byop tmobile Sim instead (also tracfone). You can use telcel or net10 that can be bought on ebay for $1 interchanably. NOTE this is NOT the same when using the AT&T byop Sim.
At least they are sorta *unlimited... Simple mobile has these issues; 2gb high speed then throttled, 2gb cap, or instant throttle at 119Kbs from day one.
I am in Florida and I speak from experience, but this may have changed since tmobile themselves changed their $70 from 5gb to unlimited recently.
*I've seen a data screen cap or someone claiming having used 100gb without issues.
I also used T-Mobile/Walmart $30 plan but 100 min was not enough for me, even when using VoIP calling. I also hit the 5gb data limit.
Switched back to st but using tmo byop Sim this time. Got refills currently from $33-42/m no taxes but its not always the case.
YMMV
clockcycle said:
OK IMHO if you're considering simple mobile, which is a tracfone, I would recommend getting straight talk/telcel $45 or net10 $50 byop tmobile Sim instead (also tracfone). You can use telcel or net10 that can be bought on ebay for $1 interchanably. NOTE this is NOT the same when using the AT&T byop Sim.
At least they are sorta *unlimited... Simple mobile has these issues; 2gb high speed then throttled, 2gb cap, or instant throttle at 119Kbs from day one.
I am in Florida and I speak from experience, but this may have changed since tmkbile themselves changed their $70 from 5gb to unlimited.
*I've seen a data screen cap or someone claiming having used 100gb without issues.
YMMV
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If you can live with the data cap look into ptel. Their $40.00 unlimited plan is the same as simple mobile's. Your can order a sim and $40.00 pin and use the promo code "ptelslick20" and pay $20.00. The pins are good for a year so order 12 of these. I am switching when my 30 days expire with simple mobile
Simple Mobile raised their 50 dollar plan to 55 dollars after taxes and fees etc. Thinking about switching to Straight Talk.
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If you can live with the data cap look into ptel. Their $40.00 unlimited plan is the same as simple mobile's. Your can order a sim and $40.00 pin and use the promo code "ptelslick20" and pay $20.00. The pins are good for a year so order 12 of these. I am switching when my 30 days expire with simple mobile
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Nice find, thanks for sharing. I got some of the $99/90day refills for straight talk. But that might not be bad for mom or dad, anyone that doesn't use much but likes the choice..
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Nice find, thanks for sharing. I got some of the $99/90day refills for straight talk. But that might not be bad for mom or dad, anyone that doesn't use much but likes the choice..
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I order so many pins for my family and friends that they called me to make sure it wasn't a mistake
Simple Mobile Sim
I didn't want to create another thread but hoping someone can answer this since it's related to my Nexus 4 and Simple mobile.
I already am using Simple Mobile on my Gnex, but can I cut my sim that I am currently using and stick it in my N4? I am following these instructions: http://www.airportal.de/nanosim/
Any tips or tricks or warnings will be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
T-Mobile testing new prepaid service GoSmart Mobile for 2013 launch
http://www.androidauthority.com/t-m...id-service-gosmart-mobile-2013-launch-137432/
Tmobile why 3G that,s so 2009 it,s 4g/lte or go home.......
no switch for me ^_^
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2037154
a little more info here!
GoSmart Mobile
well it seems to be a reasonably good offer at the first look but if we look closely we'll find a different story altogether
at $30 one gets unlimited talk & text
now days phone is used not only for talk & text but for lot of things, so we need data pack as well
so one have to give $5 more and upgrade to $35 plan, unlimited talk & text plus unlimited data at 2G speed
but for a smartphone we need good data speed, at least 3G.
so one should give $10 more and upgrade to $45 plan, unlimited talk & text plus 3G data up to 5GB and after that back to 2G speed
3G speed data seems no good now days as 4G is in, also prospect of going back to 2G once 5GB is up seems scary
so my take is $30 is best only if talk & text is to be done or else don't take it
$35 plan, unlimited talk & text plus unlimited data at 2G speed, only take it if one talks a lot data speed is no issue
$45 plan, unlimited talk & text plus 3G data up to 5GB and after that back to 2G speed, if you have a smart phone, and your data transfer will not be more than 5GB only than take it
GoSmart plans are good but not that great as they seems at first glance
I am currently on At&t and paying about $100 a month for my Nexus 4 with 3GB of data and Unlimited texts. Now I see this straight talk by walmart for $45 unlimited everything. That is one great deal. But as usual the old saying if it sounds to good to be true it usual is comes to mind. I'm in the Bay Area so coverage is good. I usually never leave this area too much. Is Straight talk a good service and worth it or are their hidden problems with it?
I've been on it two months no issues. I'm using Tmobile on ST and I love it the only thing I hated was that I had to cut my sim card. If you stick with ATT you won't have that issue. Since you are with ATT I heard after 1.5gb ST may throttle you or contact you to in regards to your data.
ATT is data stingy.
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Can I get the T-Mobile sim if I am on At&t? And do they offer LTE now or in the future?
Each sim is separate so if I took a att sim I couldn't just say I want Tmobile service.
The nexus4 isn't officially 4g compatible so.... I'm not sure how to answer your second question.
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I am currently on At&t and paying about $100 a month for my Nexus 4 with 3GB of data and Unlimited texts. Now I see this straight talk by walmart for $45 unlimited everything. That is one great deal. But as usual the old saying if it sounds to good to be true it usual is comes to mind. I'm in the Bay Area so coverage is good. I usually never leave this area too much. Is Straight talk a good service and worth it or are their hidden problems with it?
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ST AT&T will throttle down to 2G speeds after 1.5 GB in a month (or less as some have reported in the threads) and they also have daily data usage limits. People also report being throttled with using anywhere from 20-100 MB in one day. It all depends upon how congested your tower is. A better option if you want AT&T is to use their own GoPhone service at $25 for 250 talk minutes, unlimited texts then add the 1GB of data for another $25, total $50 a month. Or the $65 unlimited talk and text and 1 GB of data plan. These are the cheapest AT&T itself offers. Any of the MVNO's (ST, Net10, etc) your going to be capped to 1.5 GB (or less) anyways and their customer service is crap. Wait on hold for over an hour a few times to speak to one and you eventually get tired of it.
A few points
Straight Talk no longer sells AT&T-compatible SIM cards through their website. People on eBay are selling them for around $50.
Straight Talk has never made any statement about throttling people at 1.5 GB. Net10, which is owned by the same company as Straight Talk, established a 1.5 GB limit (see https://net10data.com/), but Straight Talk has not.
Different people have widely different experiences of being throttled on Straight Talk, and it seems to be highly unpredictable. I was throttled for the first time ever this month after using about .95 GB, though to be fair I used that data in less than a week, and I was tethering a lot. The weird thing is that I was throttled a few days after I was using large amounts of data.
Because of this uncertainty, I wouldn't recommend starting Straight Talk AT&T service now, especially with the high price of SIMs. You might consider Net10, which has SIMs widely available on eBay for $1. It's $50 per month, and supposedly you'll get 1.5 GB before being throttled or cut off. Other AT&T MVNOs cost $55 or $60 per month, or you can do GoPhone for $50.
If T-Mobile has good service where you live, you can get better deals on their network. I think there's a good chance they'll let prepaid/MVNO customers have access to their LTE network, something AT&T has not done yet.