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Have updated my stock I9505 to JDQ39/MH8 and was wandering if I were to root and install something like CM10 or GE 4.3 rom, I will be unable to rollback to stock TW 4.2.2?
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Of course mister you can. Why not?
But keep in mind that you can rollback only on MH8 stock firmware and not on previous cause new bootloader.
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That's great. Thanks. Just wanted to make sure I could go back to stock touchwiz should any of the rooms not be for me.
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your warranty will be void
and for now you cant roll back to warranty, knox warranty void counter will show 1 and there is no way to reset it so far
This has become a bit of a pain hasn't it. Think I may sit this out untill a workaround is sorted.
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Apparently the new counter can't be reset, so once you do something to change the system (root etc) your warranty will be voided. For ever.
bungadudu said:
Apparently the new counter can't be reset, so once you do something to change the system (root etc) your warranty will be voided. For ever.
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I`am sure Chainfire will find a way eventualy :fingers-crossed:
gee2012 said:
I`am sure Chainfire will find a way eventualy :fingers-crossed:
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you can downgrade to old me 1 etc now - reset counter and up to MI1 (latest - sept 12 ) build
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and for now you cant roll back to warranty, knox warranty void counter will show 1 and there is no way to reset it so far
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How can I check Knox counter?
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If you've updated to the new firmwares, just boot into download mode. You'll see it there.
Thing is, Chainfire said that it is based on an e-fuse, so it can't be reseted.
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
ozzalbatrozz said:
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
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yes in short you can
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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cpgeek said:
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
jaythenut said:
yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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cpgeek said:
Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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The argument is, We own the device therefore swapping out software shouldn't affect any hardware issues. Samsung don't have the best quality control and things are faulty sometimes.. why should you be penalized if your volume button breaks or screen breaks due to fault, and they won't fix it because you rooted to add a nice clean theme to your device?
Then there is the underlying security issue surrounding KNOX.. is it a spy tool? is it not? who knows?
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Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
shinchillahh said:
Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
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it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
vndnguyen said:
it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
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Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
shinchillahh said:
Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
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you can anyway update OTA while keeping root.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519103
Thank u sooo much!
I am curious what the difference between a dev vzw n3 and a retail with Knox tripped 0x1?
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Imarik81 said:
I am curious what the difference between a dev vzw n3 and a retail with Knox tripped 0x1?
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A retail with Knox tripped means the owner either did some unsupported mod or used an old root method and the warranty is now void. It does not mean the bootloader is unlocked.
A Dev Note 3 has Knox tripped but can be bootloader unlocked.
Don't get a Knox tripped retail.
changt34x said:
A retail with Knox tripped means the owner either did some unsupported mod or used an old root method and the warranty is now void. It does not mean the bootloader is unlocked.
A Dev Note 3 has Knox tripped but can be bootloader unlocked.
Don't get a Knox tripped retail.
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Not exactly but close...the Dev Note 3 does not have knox tripped out of the box. Once you flash anything custom in odin, then knox is tripped. However that is all irrelevant because there is no warranty anyway aside from a 1 yr on mechanical defects.
droidstyle said:
Not exactly but close...the Dev Note 3 does not have knox tripped out of the box. Once you flash anything custom in odin, then knox is tripped. However that is all irrelevant because there is no warranty anyway aside from a 1 yr on mechanical defects.
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Well I tripped my Knox. It's not the end of the world. It does stink though. I'm running Eclipse right now but I'd love to check out Cm11. Is that possible?
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@lmarik81 - I think the pointed question you need to ask is:
"Suppose I want to intentionally blow my Knox warranty flag on my retail device - will the retail device become equivalent to a dev device at that time?"
I *think* the answer is "NO - you will still not be able to boot unsigned kernels."
But it would be better if someone with a blown Knox retail device can validate the above with a "yeah, I tried that on my (blown Knox) retail device and it didn't work" ... either that or refute that assertion from contrary experience.
Direct first-person experience is very desirable here.
[Edit] @lmarik81 - mind saying how you blew yours? Flashing the recovery partition, or something else?
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Is it possible to hard brick my device by doing this? I'm tempted to try if I can just restore back with worst case 0x2.
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I had the case off the back of my phone and some how the battery came out as I was flashing either a rom or recovery and when I turned the phone back on I went into recovery and it tripped.
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If you are rooted you can use the Triangle Away app and reset your counter.. works for me
Please can anyone tell me did S3 Neo also has Knox Security, I don't see Knox written anywhere in Odin mode.
Kashmir Hackers said:
Please can anyone tell me did S3 Neo also has Knox Security, I don't see Knox written anywhere in Odin mode.
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Yes S3 Neo has Knox. You can use this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bryancandi.knoxcheck app to check if you have Knox.
Info :
0x0 Warranty valid/You have knox
0x1 Warranty void/You don't have knox
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Kashmir Hackers said:
Please can anyone tell me did S3 Neo also has Knox Security, I don't see Knox written anywhere in Odin mode.
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Software tools say it has. But after flashing different roms and recoveries gazzilion times mine still says 0x0. As you can see from the screenshot even atm I am using cm12.1 with TWRP recovery and it hasnt done anything to the counter. So to be honest I think no matter what you do you can just flash back stock from odin and keep waranty.
xXPR0T0TYPEXx said:
Yes S3 Neo has Knox. You can use this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bryancandi.knoxcheck app to check if you have Knox.
Info :
0x0 Warranty valid/You have knox
0x1 Warranty void/You don't have knox
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Does it really mean we have Knox Security if the app shows 0x0 ???
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Software tools say it has. But after flashing different roms and recoveries gazzilion times mine still says 0x0. As you can see from the screenshot even atm I am using cm12.1 with TWRP recovery and it hasnt done anything to the counter. So to be honest I think no matter what you do you can just flash back stock from odin and keep waranty.
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Wow, then it is really a good news but can anyone else confirm it....Please
Kashmir Hackers said:
Wow, then it is really a good news but can anyone else confirm it....Please
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Heres another screenshot from Phone Info app. Now the since this app detects knox warranty void on models like s4, s5 and as far as I know s6, I highly doubt samsung went thru the trouble of putting some undetectable warranty counter and a mid range device such as our S3 neos.
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Heres another screenshot from Phone Info app. Now the since this app detects knox warranty void on models like s4, s5 and as far as I know s6, I highly doubt samsung went thru the trouble of putting some undetectable warranty counter and a mid range device such as our S3 neos.
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My Phone is just two months old , should I root my mobile because I'm afraid of tripping the knox counter which obviously you can't reset.
Kashmir Hackers said:
My Phone is just two months old , should I root my mobile because I'm afraid of tripping the knox counter which obviously you can't reset.
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I rooted mine the second day I got it (I got it somewhere around January). So far havent had any problems with it and the knox (if there is one) still says 0x0. That said rooting and flashing custom recovery is still something that may potentialy harm your device so its up to you to decide. Dont take my words as 100% proof everything will be ok. Maybe indeed w8 for a few more ppl to say if they had any problems with knox so far.
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Does it really mean we have Knox Security if the app shows 0x0 ???
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I am not 100% sure mate.
I checked my build.prop file and I found this "ro.config.knox=v00" I don"t know if it means, our phone has knox. I also found an app called "KNOX notification manager" in settings.
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xXPR0T0TYPEXx said:
I am not 100% sure mate.
I checked my build.prop file and I found this "ro.config.knox=v00" I don"t know if it means, our phone has knox. I also found an app called "KNOX notification manager" in settings.
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Knox isnt only related to warranty btw. It allso has to do with samsung enterprise security crap. Thats why we have some knox apps on our phones.
But again w8 for more reports from ppl who have rooted before you do it just to be safe.
mandzo said:
Knox isnt only related to warranty btw. It allso has to do with samsung enterprise security crap. Thats why we have some knox apps on our phones.
But again w8 for more reports from ppl who have rooted before you do it just to be safe.
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Hey Buddy guess what? I took the risk and rooted my mobile with Cf Auto Root method and everything went smoothely and when I checked Knox status with apps nothing has changed and in Odin mode also only status has changed to Custom nothing else.
Mission Accomplished
Kashmir Hackers said:
Hey Buddy guess what? I took the risk and rooted my mobile with Cf Auto Root method and everything went smoothely and when I checked Knox status with apps nothing has changed and in Odin mode also only status has changed to Custom nothing else.
Mission Accomplished
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Glad everything went fine. Enjoy your rooted s3 neo.
mandzo said:
Glad everything went fine. Enjoy your rooted s3 neo.
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You know what after rooting my mobile the first thing I did is to remove the Knox crap from my mobile, they scared me enough but not anymore:good:
I can confirm that re-flashing a stock rom resets the binary counter to official. Happy rooting!
SpaceDye said:
I can confirm that re-flashing a stock rom resets the binary counter to official. Happy rooting!
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Happy to hear that , thanks buddy for letting others know.
SpaceDye said:
I can confirm that re-flashing a stock rom resets the binary counter to official. Happy rooting!
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Does it means I have my warranty back if I reflash official stock rom?
Im thinking about flash CM 12.1 but i still have 1 year and 6 month's warranty.
funchomix said:
Does it means I have my warranty back if I reflash official stock rom?
Im thinking about flash CM 12.1 but i still have 1 year and 6 month's warranty.
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Yep! Your warranty will not be void as long as your device is running a stock rom when you turn it in. You can check your binary counter by going to download mode.
funchomix said:
Does it means I have my warranty back if I reflash official stock rom?
Im thinking about flash CM 12.1 but i still have 1 year and 6 month's warranty.
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If you flash CM 12.1 , it will trip the binary counter but you can always reset the binary counter with the help of Triangle Away App by ChainFire. Resetting the binary counter and then flashing the Stock Rom will restore the warranty of your device.
Kashmir Hackers said:
If you flash CM 12.1 , it will trip the binary counter but you can always reset the binary counter with the help of Triangle Away App by ChainFire. Resetting the binary counter and then flashing the Stock Rom will restore the warranty of your device.
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On this phone KNOX not work and does not tick. 100%
maxxim62 said:
On this phone KNOX not work and does not tick. 100%
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I'm not talking about Knox Counter but I'm talking about Binary Counter which every Samsung phone already have and keeps track of how many times a custom firmware had been flashed. And as far as Knox Security is concerned there is still no way to reset Knox counter but fortunately S3 NEO don't have it.
Hi,
I have been rooting my phone immediately after purchasing for years now, I'm 50/50 on my S7 Edge as they look very fragile so I wanted to keep my warranty.
I'm familiar with voiding Knox will eliminate warranty but if I un-root and flash the stock firmware, can it get back the warranty or the Knox flag will still be void and still no warranty?
Thank you!
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Simone said:
Hi,
I have been rooting my phone immediately after purchasing for years now, I'm 50/50 on my S7 Edge as they look very fragile so I wanted to keep my warranty.
I'm familiar with voiding Knox will eliminate warranty but if I un-root and flash the stock firmware, can it get back the warranty or the Knox flag will still be void and still no warranty?
Thank you!
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Well, technically, you still have your warranty in Europe. But you gotta fight for it then.. Might take up to a year. At least it did so for me..
But no, flashing stock will keep knox tripped.
Simone said:
Hi,
I have been rooting my phone immediately after purchasing for years now, I'm 50/50 on my S7 Edge as they look very fragile so I wanted to keep my warranty.
I'm familiar with voiding Knox will eliminate warranty but if I un-root and flash the stock firmware, can it get back the warranty or the Knox flag will still be void and still no warranty?
Thank you!
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does triangle away work?
simplyxdopexasf said:
does triangle away work?
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Not really sure. When I tried on my Galaxy S5 on the 3rd quarter of last year, it didn't work.
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Short answer: No.
When Knox is set to 0x1 your warranty is permanently void because it happens at hardware level (there's a fuse on the motherboard), so there's no software that can set it back to 0x0.