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Hey guys,
I have had my Nexus for a little more than a week. I am loving this thing. I don't know how I have survived without it. I came from the darkside(BlackBerry).
Anyway, I have a few questions I need help with. I have searched and looked around and tried various things which I will detail in whats to come.
ROM: CyanogenMod 5.0.6
Recovery: RA-nexus-v1.7.0-cyan
Radio: 4.04.00.03_2
Kernal: 2.6.33.3 Pershoot OC - UV
Build: EPE54B
Theme: Nextheme
First:
I have been having issues sending/receiving MMS. I have my APN settings setup for TMO USA. I searched and found a few different ways to configure it, but all of them were to no avail. I use Handcent for messaging. Sometimes I can receive MMS and send them just fine, and other times I can not. Sometimes when I receive them it automatically downloads them like one would think it should, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes when I click the "download" option it downloads and works, and sometimes it simply does not. I have called TMO and HTC and never really seemed to get anywhere with it other than following their directions. Is their anything else anyone might be able to think of, other than wiping and starting from scratch?
The other things on this first subject is a little less of a mess, and not such a deal. How can I send a MMS with a picture AND audio. I could do it on my Blackberry, and I can even receive MMS with Pic/Aud on my Nexus, but how the heck do I send a MMS with both at the same time? I am sure their has to be a way and im just not using my head here...
Second thing:
I'll start by saying...Battery life. LOL
I have been playing with different kernals thinking maybe sooner or later i'll strike the gold one and find one that I want to keep. My phone is getting like 7ish hours of light to moderate usage before it starts dropping below 10% or so. I don't know if it is just me, but I really expected a LITTLE more. I have the OC and UV kernal as described above. I have Setcpu setup to adjust cpu speed according to battery life. I tried the 'ole go into recovery and clear cache's and battery stats and charge for 30min or so after the "green light" on phone trick, and that seemed to help me get maybe 30min or so more of use, but nothing drastic. I also found a thread on here about battery life and playing with the *#*#4636#*#* and the different network options trick. That has not really seemed to do anything either. Does anyone know of any way to isolate this issue? I use Advanced Task Killer, and have it setup to kill the crap every hour. I have noticed when I turn phone on ATK says I have ~200ish mb free of memory, and when phone starts to die I have around 120mb free.
While I am on battery life issue, the next issue I have possibly ties in with it. I am using HelixLauncher2 and think it may be the culprit...After 12ish hours or so the phone gets super slow, and unresponsive and the HL2 FC's some. The phone is practically unusable until I do a reboot. Would this have something to do with the Kernal? Any suggestions here guys?
Well if you managed to read this whole fiasco, thanks!
If their is any tips or advice you guys could give, it would be very much so appreciated. I love the phone to death, but the battery life, MMS issue/s, and slow/unresponsive issues have to go be straightened out and it will the best phone in the world(to/for me) lol. I think most/part of my issues are the kernal and the HL2, but I really am not sure. I am new the the Android scene, but am trying to learn quick, fast and in a hurry. I rooted the 2nd day I had the device haha
Thanks again,
Blaine
Any takers? Please? Is really appreciate it.
I don't experience any of the issues you do, where are you located? Is there another T mobile Sim you can use to see if there is something wrong on the end? Do you think there is a possible hardware fault? Had you used the phone stock for a month or so before you rooted?
Its sad to say, but from what you're explaining, as I have the same setup as you, it could definitely be a hardware issue
All things considered based on your post were I you I would reflash first. I would consider using the kangorama rom which already has all the core stuff you listed built in and working correctly. Wipe everything before hand.
Once I did that I would only add the crucial apps and see if anything is whacked. Chances are the core apps like handcent that people commonly use and you will be using frequently should be fine. Only after I knew that was ok would I start adding in the rest of the apps. I would add them in a few at a time and keep an eye on the battery. Consider ditching atk and trying system panel. It gives you a lot more tools for finding offenders. This is really the use of app killers, dealing with runaway apps. They can also be handy for stopping bat killers that are not runaways. By this I mean an app like trapster. It needs to run in the background to work properly but uses a lot of battery. In order to kill it when I am done with it I have to switch to it and drill a menu. With system panel I just hit one button to close all running apps that I have not exluded. At any rate killing apps willy nilly is not going to solve your problem and works against the memory management scheme which is pretty solid.
Once you have a solid core to work with you can start looking at the little things like how often you are getting weather updates, stock updates, email, etc. A high frequency with these things can use a fair bit of extra battery and if you dont need email (for instance) every 15 minutes you lose nothing when one hour is adequate. There are tons of battery threads with tips and this is only one example.
blaine07 said:
Second thing:
I'll start by saying...Battery life. LOL
I have been playing with different kernals thinking maybe sooner or later i'll strike the gold one and find one that I want to keep. My phone is getting like 7ish hours of light to moderate usage before it starts dropping below 10% or so. I don't know if it is just me, but I really expected a LITTLE more.
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Regarding your battery life, assuming you glanced over the sticky guide in this forum, you should kinda expect about 8 hours of bat. life with moderate use. This thing has a badass snapdragon + 3D chip + awesome screen.. Battery tech hasn't really been keeping up with the consumption and power of PDAs.
It's not N1's fault, google mentioned on the conference that about 8-10 hour day is what you get from these devices.
The times of week-lasting batteries are gone with black-n-white brick nokias.
Thanks for all the help guys. I have probably 120ish applications installed. I only had/used the N1 for 2 days before rooting and "going all out" lol. There are many things for me to try. Is System Panel an application, or built into settings? I suppose the 8-10 hours thing is probably abour right, it is a pretty badass phone. LOL I guess I am going to have to consider a extra battery/cradle though. I wonder if they make something for auto that is a cradle/spare battery charger..hmm lol I am just so befuddled, I know with time one of two things will happen though. One being I just get used to it and deal with it, or two software/os/ firmware and kernals just keep getting better until issues really are oleviated haha.
Thanks again guys! If anyone else has anything they would like to throw out, I am still all ears. I am new to this forum, but appears to be a great bunch of guys here, so I hope to become a active useful contributing member to the forum!
Thanks!
The super horrible battery life is probably you playing with your new toy a crap ton once you stop playing with all the candy and pick out the gems it will improve
Yeah, I am sure their is probably a ton of crap I will probably end up getting rid of..It all seem so intriguing coming from a Blackberry that you can't do anything terribly exciting with, to this which has an application for ANYTHING and everything you could ever want to do..I am blown away by the amount/kind of applications for this thing. WiTether being one of them..My mind is blown by the customizationability(is that a word?) of this thing. I love Blackberrys, and sorry but NOTHING touches their email handling, but this thing...Its just so dang much fun to own!
Really though, the one thing no one touched on was my question about MMS and how to send one with a picture & ring tone attached. If I could do it on my DingleBerry, there has to be a way on N1. How does one do that with the trusty 'ole N1 here?
Thanks!
Blaine
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"8. Frequently use the native task manager to free memory.. Long press on the big button to access task manager."
This is wrong advice. This actually increases battery use. The frequently used applications stay in memory so that they will not be loaded again when needed. If you purge the memory like you recommend, these apps will have to be reloaded every time, which significantly increases battery usage.
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jangomango said:
No doing this once in a while will kill off any apps you thought were closed.. Quite often I exit a game to find its still there hogging memory.
But thanks for the criticism.
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It's not wasting memory, it's just sitting there doing nothing in case you launch it soon again. If that memory is needed by another program, Android releases it immediately.
Try this yourself. Launch a game, then exit. You'll see the game still in memory. Then launch other apps and games. You'll see that the first game is no longer in memory, because Android saw that that part of the memory is needed elsewhere. It's all automatic and it works well. There's no need to fiddle with it. As I said, fiddling with it actually increases battery usage, because frequently used apps have to be reloaded every single time, instead of being called back from memory.
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It's not wasting memory, it's just sitting there doing nothing in case you launch it soon again. If that memory is needed by another program, Android releases it immediately.
Try this yourself. Launch a game, then exit. You'll see the game still in memory. Then launch other apps and games. You'll see that the first game is no longer in memory, because Android saw that that part of the memory is needed elsewhere. It's all automatic and it works well. There's no need to fiddle with it. As I said, fiddling with it actually increases battery usage, because frequently used apps have to be reloaded every single time, instead of being called back from memory.
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I have to disagree with this. Quite often I have noticed that after playing some game my battery still keeps draining like hell.
I know that Android is SUPPOSED to work as you said it would, but there are quite a lot of rogue apps which don't behave like that.
So unless you are 100% sure that your apps are not rogue apps in any possible situation I also have to suggest to use the "kill all" once in a while.
I don't do it often, maybe twice a day but it helps.
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I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
twitceh said:
I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
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I agree, yesterday I barely used my phone. 1 hour and 40 minutes of screen on time, 3G, Sync, Whatsapping most of the time that I used it, wifi, too. Downloaded a few apps maybe 10 minutes of games. It was at 40% when I went to bed 15 hours later. I barely touched it! LOL.
I don't mind though, this is a FANTASTIC phone. I wouldn't change it for any other phone at the moment. I will probably get an extended battery case from Samsung in the near future. It's a case AND a battery ALL IN ONE! Woopie! lol.
twitceh said:
I have done most of the things you mentioned, but my battery is still appalling. I am using VillainROM 1.4, KF2. I really want to fix this, I heard some people are struggling to get 12 hours from their phone, I am one of those.
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I am starting to believe that it is a hardware fault..If lucky it could be because of the battery. You could try to order another battery and see how it goes.
If not so lucky then its something else in the phone which is almost impossible to fix at home.
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I appreciate you clogging my new thread up with your opinion.. Nice one..
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I have no personal problem with you, but if you open up a thread for newcomers, you shouldn't give misleading information. Thinking task killers improve battery is a telltale sign of noobness.
For newcomers who really want to learn about memory management in Android and the truth about task killers, I recommend these two articles:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://www.droid-den.com/android-guides/android-guide-should-i-use-a-task-killer
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FFS.. my point is.. Some apps you only use once in a blue moon like Games. You dont need these still sitting there..
I appreciate you clogging my new thread up with your opinion.. Nice one..
Plus I find it makes my phone snappier after a good purge.. And FYI I still get over 1 and a half days from the battery..
Is there any chance you can get off my **** now?
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Pretty sure with an attitude like that you'd be lucky to have someone on your ****.
My simple solution. Buy juice defender ultimate. Its cheap only less than 9 dollars. Set it to extreme and configure each app. Then go to market and search 'gothic'. Select the darkest and most plain black wallpaper. You are done! I am getting 2 days on stock rom with this setup. With about 20% of the time surfing the net via HSDPA or 3g.
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aydc said:
I have no personal problem with you, but if you open up a thread for newcomers, you shouldn't give misleading information. Thinking task killers improve battery is a telltale sign of noobness.
For newcomers who really want to learn about memory management in Android and the truth about task killers, I recommend these two articles:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://www.droid-den.com/android-guides/android-guide-should-i-use-a-task-killer
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I'd have to agree. Task killers are generally a bad idea.
Sure, there are poorly coded apps that stay in memory and use up CPU cycles. Those are apps that needs to be closed via task killers. But is that really the solution?
What you should do is NOT use such apps. If you do continue to use those apps, you're just supporting the developer for his poor coding. In that case, you're on your own.
OP: Try not to get too antagonistic. This is after all, a discussion forum.
Here's an analogy just for fun....
General consensus: You don't need a case for your phone.
Argument: You do need a case for your phone because SOME phones have antennae issues and a case will alleviate those issues.
Weird solution: Buy those phones wtih antennae issues and then also buy a case.
Real solution: Don't buy those phones with antennae issues! (wink wink)
ohyeahar said:
I'd have to agree. Task killers are generally a bad idea.
Sure, there are poorly coded apps that stay in memory and use up CPU cycles. Those are apps that needs to be closed via task killers. But is that really the solution?
What you should do is NOT use such apps. If you do continue to use those apps, you're just supporting the developer for his poor coding. In that case, you're on your own.
OP: Try not to get too antagonistic. This is after all, a discussion forum.
Here's an analogy just for fun....
General consensus: You don't need a case for your phone.
Argument: You do need a case for your phone because SOME phones have antennae issues and a case will alleviate those issues.
Weird solution: Buy those phones wtih antennae issues and then also buy a case.
Real solution: Don't buy those phones with antennae issues! (wink wink)
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+1 to this, task manager was a good idea in the old days (eclair & froyo), but gingerbread does a great job in memory management, there is no need for "task management kill" everytime you exit. Although I am a bit conservative on "frequently killing apps in gingerbread will actually decrease your battery life", but certainly, doing so will not improve it.
Using the 'Clear Memory' feature in Task Manager will stop and kill everything. Some widgets, apps will stop work. So that feature is extremely kiddish imo.
But using ATK won't do it as it has an Ignore list, if its set up properly then its the best.
Regards.
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jangomango said:
With all gripes over battery life, I thought it would be a good idea to create a list of steps for newcomers that will help make battery life better.
With these steps I am getting well over 24 hours.
Feel free to add some and I will update the OP.
1. Flash a rom.. I'm using Lightening Rom 2.0 with KG1
2. Flash a kernel.. I use Chainfires KG1
3. Use Titanium backup to freeze any crap you dont need. There is a guide on here already about this.
4. Disable fast dormancy.. *#*#9900#*#*
5. Wifi Sleep Policy set this to Screen Off.. Settings>Wireless & Networks>WiFi Networks>Menu>Advanced>WiFi Sleep Policy
6. Manage your radios.. Use the power widget to turn off BlueTooth,WiFi, GPS, even 3G when not needed.
7. Screen brightness.. Set this as low as you can whilst still being readable.
8. Frequently use the native task manager to free memory.. Long press on the big button to access task manager.
9. Monitor what apps are using battery.. Menu>Settings>About Phone>Battery Usage
10. Use a static wallpaper.. Live wallpapers are nice but draw more power than a still image. Dark backgrounds are best.
11. Full overnight charge with phone off.. I found this makes a difference.
12. Change the frequency at which your mail and widgets update. Instead of 30 minutes or whatever try 1 hour.
13. Turn off AutoSync when not needed. Menu>Settings>Accounts &Sync. Note.. This will do what it says and stop any app or widget syncing though..
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I'll only comment on the points I can share my opinion with:
4. didn't change a damn thing for me regarding the battery, it just made switching betweens 3g and H slower.
5. will try that, but won't it turn wifi off when the screen is off thus disabling any sync via wifi when screen is off?
6. common sense not to leave everything on all the time
7. auto brightness does a good job for me, a mate uses lowest brightness and has no advantages besides having problems reading from the screen sometimes
8. just use it to end apps/games that won't stop after using them like KiesAir
10. true
11. doesn't make a difference
12. sure but whoever needs (e.g. for work) push (like me) will have to skip that
13. see 12.
fenguinpower said:
My simple solution. Buy juice defender ultimate. Its cheap only less than 9 dollars. Set it to extreme and configure each app. Then go to market and search 'gothic'. Select the darkest and most plain black wallpaper. You are done! I am getting 2 days on stock rom with this setup. With about 20% of the time surfing the net via HSDPA or 3g.
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juice defender is my last option to squeeze more time out of my phone. still with my general usage I get around 36h our of one charge, mostly between 24h and 48h depending on how much I use it AND how good the reception is (better reception -> more battery life)
OP deleted.. This was supposed to be a usefull guide for newcomers but soon descended into a viscious disection of all my points. **** you all. Twats.
jangomango said:
OP deleted.. This was supposed to be a usefull guide for newcomers but soon descended into a viscious disection of all my points. **** you all. Twats.
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You don't like healthy debate? These guys were quite polite, you were the one who spat his dummy out.
**** you aswell you **** jockey.
I am now on 25 hours without a charge and still have 65% battery left. Previously I couldn't make it through the day without hooking up the umbilical cord of life. I used to clear apps regularly with the stock task manager but would start out with 150MB free after boot and by the end of the day could not get better than 80MB free. Everyone was crying memory leaks. These are NOT memory leaks but errant programs that cache behind trhe scenes draining your battery and stealing resources. They are also immune to the stock task killer.
I found these bad bad apps by installing Memory Booster Lite from the market. After getting a 0 applications closed I went into the Task Killer in Memory Booster and found a bunch of apps loaded into memory still! Things like Google + hogging 28 MB of memory! There was Amazon Appstore, Maps, Facebook, Beatiful Widgets, Email, Telenav, Netflix, logsprovider....all immune to the stock task killer and slowly eating memory during the day as they load. I killed all the ones I recognized (no com.XXXX stuff) and then checked back in a few minutes to see what would reload. Google +, Beautiful Widgets, Facebook, Maps, and others would reload. Using the paid version of Titanium backup I froze apps like Google +, Maps, Netflix, and others that I don't use daily. You can use other apps for this like Autostarts. I deleted apps that are not worth my memory and battery power. I also set all syncs to manual and keep the display down as low as I need to. The results were tripling my battery life. I also stay on Wifi as much as possible and as soon as I get off XDA App, Tapatalk or any browser clear it with the stock task killer. I always have about 140 MB free now.
Your mileage may vary. The display is the biggest battery killer so if your a gamer, or spend hours reading, don't expect a lot of improvement from this but you will see some. I hope this helps battery life and memory leak myths for some of you.
The important thing in this forum is to have fun and help others.
I'm not trolling, and you do have great suggestions here. I just wish there were some easy way to get an entire day of full use without having to get an extended battery while using the epic to its full potential. I like autosync, adecently lit screen, and my range of Widgets which I use daily. Too bad I can't go more than 16 hours with everything on. I have tried at one point most of your suggestions, and it did greatly improve battery life. I suggest anyone at least give it a shot and then slowly turn back on the things they must have, like gmail sync or haptic feedback.
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Blankrubber, this is a good place to add on to what I just found. The key is to see what else is running that is immune to the stock task killer. I never knew how much Google + and Maps were killing my battery. I got rid of my extended battery long ago but now I am sill amazed. 29 hours and 52% left. But the key when you say using it fully is limiting display time and intensity. No matter what that is the biggest drain so if you are glued to your phone for over 4 hours it will always be tough to make it last. Phones that used to be just phones could go days without charge. Now they are little computers. Think...laptops only go about 2 hours runtime without a charge and those batteries are a lot bigger.
I use Bloat Freezer myself. It shows whatever is running in the background highlighted in gray. Google+,Maps, the others Kenny mentioned are the usual suspects. Doing what Kenny said will help out for sure. Yes, its annoying we have to do this to extend battery life but some apps are always at work. Memory Booster is pretty good. Viper baked it in a ROM a while back. Its definately worth checking out
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JohnCorleone said:
I use Bloat Freezer myself. It shows whatever is running in the background highlighted in gray. Google+,Maps, the others Kenny mentioned are the usual suspects. Doing what Kenny said will help out for sure. Yes, its annoying we have to do this to extend battery life but some apps are always at work. Memory Booster is pretty good. Viper baked it in a ROM a while back. Its definately worth checking out
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Thanks John, hard to keep up on all these apps to help manage apps and memory. Will have to check out Bloat Freezer. Hope there are less steps than Titanium to unfreeze.
I highly recommend Autokiller Memory.
After reading the dev's page and all he found I installed the app and after setting it up, its maintained my memory free of immune apps and battery life us off the hook!
Sent from an Epic with 4G
If something is just sitting in memory why would that have any effect on battery life? It should actually improve your battery life cuz then it just loads the app from memory and not a full re open of the app. Now if your saying that these questionable apps are just running processes then yes that would have an effect on battery as it is just sitting there doing something. But back to the memory side of this. Memory is used in all devices to take some of the load off the processor to make it load faster. It is there for a reason every device would not use memory if it was not efficient at loading apps and saving battery.
But if you only use the app once a week or so why waste those resources or the initial load time. If it sits in memory and another app needs that memory the processor uses more power and battery swapping apps in and out of memory needlessly. My phone is super fast and running 32 hours with 46% left. I can't put up a better argument than those results. Memory swapping is bad on battery it seems.
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kennyglass123 said:
Thanks John, hard to keep up on all these apps to help manage apps and memory. Will have to check out Bloat Freezer. Hope there are less steps than Titanium to unfreeze.
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I button to press to unfreeze with Bloat Freezer....actually 2. You press menu softkey then unfreeze all. The phones baked in apps are in red, running apps highlighted gray, and frozen apps blue. Its really user friendly
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kennyglass123 said:
I am now on 25 hours without a charge and still have 65% battery left. Previously I couldn't make it through the day without hooking up the umbilical cord of life. I used to clear apps regularly with the stock task manager but would start out with 150MB free after boot and by the end of the day could not get better than 80MB free. Everyone was crying memory leaks. These are NOT memory leaks but errant programs that cache behind trhe scenes draining your battery and stealing resources. They are also immune to the stock task killer.
I found these bad bad apps by installing Memory Booster Lite from the market. After getting a 0 applications closed I went into the Task Killer in Memory Booster and found a bunch of apps loaded into memory still! Things like Google + hogging 28 MB of memory! There was Amazon Appstore, Maps, Facebook, Beatiful Widgets, Email, Telenav, Netflix, logsprovider....all immune to the stock task killer and slowly eating memory during the day as they load. I killed all the ones I recognized (no com.XXXX stuff) and then checked back in a few minutes to see what would reload. Google +, Beautiful Widgets, Facebook, Maps, and others would reload. Using the paid version of Titanium backup I froze apps like Google +, Maps, Netflix, and others that I don't use daily. You can use other apps for this like Autostarts. I deleted apps that are not worth my memory and battery power. I also set all syncs to manual and keep the display down as low as I need to. The results were tripling my battery life. I also stay on Wifi as much as possible and as soon as I get off XDA App, Tapatalk or any browser clear it with the stock task killer. I always have about 140 MB free now.
Your mileage may vary. The display is the biggest battery killer so if your a gamer, or spend hours reading, don't expect a lot of improvement from this but you will see some. I hope this helps battery life and memory leak myths for some of you.
The important thing in this forum is to have fun and help others.
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1: you must never actually use your phone at all, if you do then your battery claims are bs
2: you obviously don't understand much about android/linux and how memory functionality works
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Zeinzu said:
1: you must never actually use your phone at all, if you do then your battery claims are bs
2: you obviously don't understand much about android/linux and how memory functionality works
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Whatever dude. Look at my posts count and thanks count. Got this phone a week after it came out in September and never could get better than 16 hours life out of the battery. I do a few simple things as posted and am at 38% with 32 hours. Obviously you are the one without a clue. Troll out of my thread if you have nothing constructive to add. Believe me or not I have nothing to gain by posting this.
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Zeinzu said:
1: you must never actually use your phone at all, if you do then your battery claims are bs
2: you obviously don't understand much about android/linux and how memory functionality works
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I've been around the Android platform for more than 3 years. I've pretty much read all google has shared with us (the Military) for application development and I do agree that there are dormit services that hog up your memory / battery even when your not using the phone.
I agree with this dev and his tool: http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
I think that he nailed it when he found out how did Android manage memory and the determination it takes in order to "kill" what you don't use.
Now... Do you care to share what you know about the subject that we don't, in stead of just coming bashing and leaving?
This is a forum, we are more than open to debates here.
megabiteg said:
I've been around the Android platform for more than 3 years. I've pretty much read all google has shared with us (the Military) for application development and I do agree that there are dormit services that hog up your memory / battery even when your not using the phone.
I agree with this dev and his tool: http://andrs.w3pla.net/autokiller/details
I think that he nailed it when he found out how did Android manage memory and the determination it takes in order to "kill" what you don't use.
Now... Do you care to share what you know about that we don't, in stead of just coming bashing and leaving?
This is a forum, we are more than open to debates here.
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the v6supercharger fixed these issues for me. also if you use go launcher, there is a tab in the app drawer of running apps which you can close with ease!
megabiteg said:
I highly recommend Autokiller Memory.
After reading the dev's page and all he found I installed the app and after setting it up, its maintained my memory free of immune apps and battery life us off the hook!
Sent from an Epic with 4G
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that's the app i use...i only kill the apps that don't close properly after i use them and frozen some services with titanium...i have amazing battery life (eco5 btw, gingerbread is not stable enough for me)
Tw wats ur onscreen time?? Would u post some screenshots? The longest battery I ever had was like 15 hours and 4 hours of onscreen time with around 10% left
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omair2005 said:
the v6supercharger fixed these issues for me. also if you use go launcher, there is a tab in the app drawer of running apps which you can close with ease!
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+1 for V6, im usually at 250mb free ram consistently, while closing NOT A DAMN THING
For that basher out there, I am sorry if I don't spend hours watching porn on my phone for you to really judge battery life but here is the pic:
And I may not be able to code Android but I am familiar in C++ and CPU usage and how much you lose by not having available memory to swap programs with.
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the v6supercharger fixed these issues for me. also if you use go launcher, there is a tab in the app drawer of running apps which you can close with ease!
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Nice. That was my issue though is that some of these memory/battery killers don't show up in the launcher's task killers. Google + and Maps never show up and get stopped and continue to kill the battery getting data behind the scenes because Google wrote them in that way. It is important to at least check if you have bad battery life what else is running with a good task killer like Memory Booster Lite.
i think the best solution for battery life is autokiller, v6 script and titanium..the stock gingerbread task manager aka (the running services in settings) isn't that great...when i was on eg22, i noticed it displayed the wrong amount of ram left and didn't display every single app running in the background..autokiller is able to see every single app running in the background but never kill the programs with (com.google and android.process)...I only kills apps i use like engadget and pulse..when u exit these with back button, they always stay in the background and use autokiller to make sure it's completely killed...never set any task killer to autokill apps, that will drain your battery faster...and they are some annoying 3rd party apps that always run in the background since they are not coded well (imo)..for example, i froze the script manager with titanium after i implemented the v6 script because it kept restarting itself all the time..i suggest people follow RandomKing's tutorial on how to extend battery life, it helped a lot..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106524...i constantly have 150 to 200 ram free with im not running any apps..im on eco5 aosp rom with eco5 (eg22 and eh06 are not stable enough for me)
To be honest, I think you're overestimating the effect these task killers are having on your phone.
Your graph looks very similar to mine when I'm using it moderately, and I haven't installed any task killers. (And, yes, I've got the same Maps, Google+, etc apps on my phone). The only changes I've made are:
- Turning my screen brightness all the way down.
- Having very few non-push syncs.
Today I'll be using my phone a lot as a camera, but I'll try to remember to leave it off the charger one day this week so that I have a power graph that lasts longer than 18 hours.
So I've been testing out this app for a while. I have Ultimate and I've been trying many different things. So far the conclusion I've came to is that this app does NOT save battery, at least for my usage.
I've done my testing using the 'balanced' state. I think it's because the app spends more battery turning on/off data and doing all of its things than it saves by having data off for a while.
What results do you guys have? Have you actually noticed any improvement on battery life?
If you want to help, please use GSam Battery Monitor and take screenshots of full battery cycles - one with JD and one without it. This will help us understand if, and how much, JuiceDefender actually helps.
JuiceDefender is real and the concept of it is real as well but it hasn't been updated in a very long time and is very unlikely to work nicely with Android 4.0 and above.
It's better in the end to just turn off the things you don't use manually.
it works best if you are rooted.
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
it works best if you are rooted.
John.
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I am rooted - may I ask what's the difference for JD?
In any case, I would still like to get help if people are willing to actually test this, since I've been getting reduced battery life with Balanced JD (I've started testing myself).
Basically when your rooted juice defender can change system settings, when i cannot when you are not rooted.
I use an free app called "wakelock detector" and remove or disable any apps with high wakelocks, basically they keep waking the phone up when it is asleep and using the lowest power level, like over night.
John.
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
Haven't used a task killer in a long time. I looked out of curiosity and there is a massive laundry list of extra crap going on.
bishaarcc said:
Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play. Download and could you check how many memory do you have? When I bought my note, I had only 40% of memory available on my phone, which means about 800 MB, and I couldn't take advantage the rest of the 2+GB memory because phone has couple hundred apps preinstalled... Now I started clearing and un installing all these unnecessary apps and now I have about 1.6 GB memory available on my phone, and as a result of that I was able to get two days battery every day. Basically I can't finish my battery in one day regardless of the usage, which is really good....
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Thanks for the info. Can you please tell us what apps you were able to remove to cause the excellent battery life? In the order starting with the one that uses the most to least if you can. Appreciate any help you can post from your testing. Thanks
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Thanks for the info. Can you please tell us what apps you were able to remove to cause the excellent battery life? In the order starting with the one that uses the most to least if you can. Appreciate any help you can post from your testing. Thanks
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Well, twospirits made this list of all apps https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...OksNUB7oHFBsI_OoEQHgeGg7_l4/edit#gid=32644709
So what I did is: I categorized my apps in to three categories: 1- Apps that cannot be removed nor disabled, like Bluetooth speaker and etc so kept those as it is.. 2- the second group are necessary apps like Google play, browser sms,dialer and etc.. so I moved those apps to EX Sdcard, the only exception is youtube which gives me FC, so it has to be in the system..
3- the 3rd category is the rest of the apps which I removed from my phone, like S Health knock and other hundreds...
Now I have almost 2gb availabe memory on my phone which I think it's very good, and that's the reason I'm getting one day of very high usage or two days of normal usage....
Please check my screen shosts, almost two days with 5 hours of Screen On time or 7+ hours in one day....
Thanks for the info. I will work on removing apps that I don't use from the list and see what improvement I can get.
Just wanted to explain a few things.
1) moving apps to external SD Card will not free up RAM. It frees up internal memory (/sdcard or /data) but should not affect RAM.
2) unused RAM is wasted RAM. In this case you are saving battery because some of the apps you deleted were using CPU cycles or keeping wake locks for some reason. The amount of energy used to keep an app in RAM may get you a few extra hours of battery life at most. Your biggest 3 battery killers are Screen, Modem, CPU. In that order.
So good job getting better battery life, and I'm going to be using that list to delete some crapware. But your conclusions in why you saved battery life are a bit off.
Ok this is what everyone in this thread should do before they comment on memory usage,
1. N910C or N910F (Snapdragon or Exynos?)
2. Debloat or not, all apps active (stock)?
3. Debloat with root?
4. How much time without reboot, test of memory usage with or without reboot?
5. Screenshots of disabled apps section of your storage
Me,
1. N910C
2. Debloat, disabled quite a bit services/apps
3. No root
4. Fresh reboot, just now, test of memory usage = 1.52Gb only Wi Fi File Explorer in background.
5. Turned off apps,
Please, i know every device is different but try to follow my little Q & A, in order to get a general idea how much memory does you device use.
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Ok this is what everyone in this thread should do before they comment on memory usage,
1. N910C or N910F (Snapdragon or Exynos?)
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Youre in a N910P thread, bud.
xxSTARBUCKSxx said:
Youre in a N910P thread, bud.
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Well still counts i guess lol
dazed1 said:
Well still counts i guess lol
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Fair enough, its just that people who search by device+problem get brought to threads that detect whats been typed and they get brought to the wrong place looking for help where they cant be helped. . Turn that frown upside down!
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Fair enough, its just that people who search by device+problem get brought to threads that detect whats been typed and they get brought to the wrong place looking for help where they cant be helped. . Turn that frown upside down!
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Can you do a test for me bro? just reboot the phone, and tell me how much ram is used, and what apps are running? (turn off anything you can) thanks.
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Can you do a test for me bro? just reboot the phone, and tell me how much ram is used, and what apps are running? (turn off anything you can) thanks.
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Hotboot plus screenies. Forgot about Turned Offs.
Not much in the Turned Offs. A lot was deleted of either .bak'd
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Hotboot plus screenies. Forgot about Turned Offs.
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What? 1.1GB? rooted phone with total debloat?
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What? 1.1GB? rooted phone with total debloat?
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Pretty much. But coming from the SGSIII. Ive actually kept a lot of Samsung bloat that id usually delete. Mostly because of its features. Ive spared SprintZone even. Just a nice smooth phone overall.
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Just wanted to explain a few things.
1) moving apps to external SD Card will not free up RAM. It frees up internal memory (/sdcard or /data) but should not affect RAM.
2) unused RAM is wasted RAM. In this case you are saving battery because some of the apps you deleted were using CPU cycles or keeping wake locks for some reason. The amount of energy used to keep an app in RAM may get you a few extra hours of battery life at most. Your biggest 3 battery killers are Screen, Modem, CPU. In that order.
So good job getting better battery life, and I'm going to be using that list to delete some crapware. But your conclusions in why you saved battery life are a bit off.
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Sir, First of all I'm not a dev, and probably you know more than me about these things but let me ask you this:
Even though I've already deleted unnecessary apps from my phone, but still I was using 70-80% of my phone's memory all the time, and my battery life was one day or less than that .....
I decided to move all my apps to ex-Sdcard which made me using only 30-50%, of my phone's memory and the battery life from one day to two days!
So since you said moving apps to EX-sdcard won't make difference, could you explain to me this situation?
Please go ahead and check my screenshot, I'm watching MKBHD'S full hd video and I'm only using 37% of my phone's memory.
Thanks again.
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Sir, First of all I'm not a dev, and probably you know more than me about these things but let me ask you this:
Even though I've already deleted unnecessary apps from my phone, but still I was using 70-80% of my phone's memory all the time, and my battery life was one day or less than that .....
I decided to move all my apps to ex-Sdcard which made me using only 30-50%, of my phone's memory and the battery life from one day to two days!
So since you said moving apps to EX-sdcard won't make difference, could you explain to me this situation?
Please go ahead and check my screenshot, I'm watching MKBHD'S full hd video and I'm only using 37% of my phone's memory.
Thanks again.
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Were you perhaps plugged into a computer? You lose the ability to use SD Card apps when plugged in.
I'm definitely not a dev, I just know electronics and a bit of basic computing theory.
Using less RAM shouldn't save that much battery. What may have happened is one (or more) of the apps were auto-starting and using CPU cycles to do something not important to you. I'm not sure if SD Card apps can auto start or restart.
Like I said the information you provided is good, just the comclusion of less RAM means better battery is off. Well programed apps should sit in RAM for quick access but not waste CPU cyles on things.
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Were you perhaps plugged into a computer? You lose the ability to use SD Card apps when plugged in.
I'm definitely not a dev, I just know electronics and a bit of basic computing theory.
Using less RAM shouldn't save that much battery. What may have happened is one (or more) of the apps were auto-starting and using CPU cycles to do something not important to you. I'm not sure if SD Card apps can auto start or restart.
Like I said the information you provided is good, just the comclusion of less RAM means better battery is off. Well programed apps should sit in RAM for quick access but not waste CPU cyles on things.
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You right, I think maybe EXsdcard apps won't auto start and that's what saves my battery. When I check my running apps I cannot see any user apps in there, no facebook, what's up, Browser or any other user apps, so maybe that's is the case.... The only down side of my situation is that I have to manually open Facebook to see latest notifications which honestly I don't mind it because I don't need facebook and twitter running 24/7?
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Can anyone of you download advance task killer from the android market/Google Play.
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You should NOT be using task killers on Android! Advanced Task Killer, or any task killer, will shorten your battery life instead of extending it. Android actually knows how to handle itself quite well, and will keep certain things around for a reason. Google created Android and just might know Android a little bit better than those 3rd party app developers.
Also, I see in your other posts you keep calling a micro-sd card an ExSdCard. If you think about it, "Ex"SdCard would actually mean "Previous"SdCard. It's called ExtSdCard, meaning Extended SD card. And FYI, there is no Android Market anymore, it was replaced by Play Store years ago.