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Just me venting about CM

Cyanogenmod, my what a terrible, terrible direction you have gone. Talk about fragmentation, most devices are lagging behind stock updates? What happened to latest and greatest before the official updates?
Im so butthurt

I think they have just bit off more than they can chew. By constantly adding devices, it seems the quality is going down dramatically and it is harder to keep all the devices up to date.

You think you have it bad? Just imagine how the people that wasted $600 dollars on the cyanogenmod version of the Oppo N1 feel. $600 for a phone that was suppose to be supported by cm and receive updates in a timely fashion, which is still stuck on 10.2 jellybean for its last stable release. And these guys claim they're going to be able to update the one plus one for two years? Ha, we'll see.

If any of you actually read the cm blog you'd know the reason.
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cyanogenmod-11-0-m6-release
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dethrat said:
If any of you actually read the cm blog you'd know the reason.
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/cyanogenmod-11-0-m6-release
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That doesn't explain what's been stated here. Right or wrong, people here are saying dev is slow and buggy, and sometimes it doesn't exist. That's the case of Moto G CM11. Never saw a CM build so buggy after 6 months of developement.
Is Cyanogen obliged to provide us with fast, stable and beautiful builds? Of course not.
Is it true that when Cyanogen was "mod" and not "Inc" things where much better for the open source community, since they are now too busy keeping up with their first phone (retailing of the OnePlus One has been delayed twice and wasn't about hardware, thought)? I think the answer is yes.
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fermasia said:
That doesn't explain what's been stated here. Right or wrong, people here are saying dev is slow and buggy, and sometimes it doesn't exist. That's the case of Moto G CM11. Never saw a CM build so buggy after 6 months of developement.
Is Cyanogen obliged to provide us with fast, stable and beautiful builds? Of course not.
Is it true that when Cyanogen was "mod" and not "Inc" things where much better for the open source community, since they are now too busy keeping up with their first phone (retailing of the OnePlus One has been delayed twice and wasn't about hardware, thought)? I think the answer is yes.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. The People who are expecting builds labeled as stable are gonna be waiting for a long time.
A lot of the opens source community dispersed, moved to omnirom and/or other projects.
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dethrat said:
I'm not disagreeing with you. The People who are expecting builds labeled as stable are gonna be waiting for a long time.
A lot of the opens source community dispersed, moved to omnirom and/or other projects.
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Omnirom guys began as they moved away from the project when it became a profit company, that's true. But that's not the problem, actually, some guys from other pojects left open source and joined Cyanogen Inc. The problem is much more simple: things work differently when your goal is to make money. It's not a felony, course, but it's a "sin" in terms of opensource spirit, and now we are seen it's tangible results.
CM has lost it's soul, it's original purpose, so now things are being rushed and pushed, and the guys working on it's non-profitable branches, even when they are doing their best (and I do thank them for sharing they work with us in exchange of nothing... except for the private information that now CM collects from every user), it's not the same as it was before. Put the label you want on their builds... stable, M1, XGKT512, it doesn't matter, the result is slow, buggy and unstable, if you compare to what CM was until it's 10.2 version.

Maybe it would be great do have info about known issues updated: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Known_Issues_page_for_falcon?setlang=en-gb. And less disappointment would arise.

You do realize that updates depend on the device maintainer, and if there isn't any then we won't get updates?

fermasia said:
Omnirom guys began as they moved away from the project when it became a profit company, that's true. But that's not the problem, actually, some guys from other pojects left open source and joined Cyanogen Inc. The problem is much more simple: things work differently when your goal is to make money. It's not a felony, course, but it's a "sin" in terms of opensource spirit, and now we are seen it's tangible results.
CM has lost it's soul, it's original purpose, so now things are being rushed and pushed, and the guys working on it's non-profitable branches, even when they are doing their best (and I do thank them for sharing they work with us in exchange of nothing... except for the private information that now CM collects from every user), it's not the same as it was before. Put the label you want on their builds... stable, M1, XGKT512, it doesn't matter, the result is slow, buggy and unstable, if you compare to what CM was until it's 10.2 version.
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That's the reason why when I got my current XT1033, I don't bothered to root and install custom roms! With Motorola still timely updating their software, that's no reason for custom roms. My previous phone Sony X8, I rooted and install various CM based roms, In my opinion, new functions/features were introduced for the sake of adding a long list of features in that roms without considering the stability and functionality issue, while at the same time more and more bugs were introduced. Many times the phone just don't worked when its matter most! Real frustrated but you can't complain because all are worked on their own freewill basis.

I have installed CM 10.2.1 on two Nooks because the Nook software, based on 4.0.4, is crap, IMO. I also have a 2013 Nexus 7 and my wife has a Moto X. I wouldn't dream of putting CM on either of those devices. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. YMMV.
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**Rumour** One Plus to soon abandon CM and ColorOS **Rumour**

well guys i just came up with this news and i have heard this before but i never saw any news today sombody on fb shared this so i am really dissapointed by OnePlus :/ i was thinking to get one plus on and i m trying my best to get an invite but i guess now i have to wait for a official word on it
What do you think guys should they make their own ROM or use CM use the poll .!!
Source: http://www.tech-feed.com/technology/oneplus-abandon-cyanogenmod-coloros/

We still need the confirmation to this rumor, but if it's true, there will always be a CM rom for the OPO! All we need to do is root it and flash it.

A Tech blogging site, that doesn't quote any form of source in their article, or postulate why it might be in a company's best interest to skin their own version of Android, OR do anything other than say, they are working on their own version.... That's high school level rumor mongering. Sure it's possible.... but hey, guess what, it's already a CM compatible phone, who cares if they skin their own version of Android?

theres so many stupid fake rumors coming out of the rumor mill lately. they couldnt abandon cm if they tried. thats what happens when you sign paperwork and cm run the fastboot software and recovery.

there will be 2 years of support from CM for this device, so do not worry ^_^

funCrash93 said:
there will be 2 years of support from CM for this device, so do not worry ^_^
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Thank you guys well the site does provide a valid Source and this news came a week ago when people in china said that they don't like CM UI so OPPO started making its own UI
Its not 100% and not 100% true as the blog says

Even if they make their own there will still be cm officially. Its likely they may just want their own skin but only provide it as an optional alternative.
This is assuming the unlikely rumor actually turns out true. But assumptions on a rumor aren't reliable so take it lightly.

tiny4579 said:
Even if they make their own there will still be cm officially. Its likely they may just want their own skin but only provide it as an optional alternative.
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yeah this is what i read but i am a CM fan and getting special treatment from CM is always welcome as the speed of development of CM will be faster for 1+1 as compared to others

I call bs. Color os is about as Chinese as you can get.
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Doesn't bother me. I install Apex launcher and then I like ColorOS. I even install Apex CM11, i hate the stock Android and Trebuchet launchers. ColorOS has some nice features that I miss when running CM.

So long as CM doesn't stop supporting it. It's all good lol
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They already released an AOSP rom available to flash via the Development category on the oneplus forum. The only thing it's missing is the gapps.

Don't believe it!
Oneplus i very highly doubt would switch ROMs so suddenly. And Color OS is getting pretty popular for phones in China it seems, do not lose hope friend!

vladashram said:
They already released an AOSP rom available to flash via the Development category on the oneplus forum. The only thing it's missing is the gapps.
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There's a reason they made the aosp ROM and not someone else, there aokp and paranoidandroid but there's no aosp group. The only way there would be an official aosp ROM would be if oneplus made it. It's based off cm source, oneplus has done no software development for the device. And the fact that gapps is separate actually says a lot. You can't just put on aosp and sell the device. The phone would not be Google certified. It took weeks for them to fall in line with Google's new strict standards.
Shipping ask that cyanogen inc. Works very closely with them. I think Steve klondik technically works for both companies. There's is no way they would ever end there partnership. The whole company is based around it. It's yet another fake rumor like the OnePlus tab and OnePlus two and onewatch. Best just to ignore it.
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The OP twisted topic name of the thread.
OnePlus is dropping ColorOS for their own ROM but international will still have CyanogenMod as the default ROM.
Read more, http://www.cnet.com/news/oneplus-to-drop-color-os-in-china-to-develop-its-own/

I heard a rumor that OnePlus was licensing TouchWiz from Samsung
Seriously, garbage rumors like this get floated all the time to force companies to make statements denying or clarifying the rumor. OnePlus is better off ignoring it.

new rom x oneplus one?

CafeKampuchia said:
I heard a rumor that OnePlus was licensing TouchWiz from Samsung
Seriously, garbage rumors like this get floated all the time to force companies to make statements denying or clarifying the rumor. OnePlus is better off ignoring it.
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Touchwiz people are already tortured by that ****ty UI and if OnePlus adds that then samsung will sue them

jatin059 said:
Touchwiz people are already tortured by that ****ty UI and if OnePlus adds that then samsung will sue them
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So will I

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CafeKampuchia said:
So will I
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Lollipop coming out for Samsung s5 but no OPO yet?

I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.

Patience mate it will come in due course. CM usually take a while to release stable builds. Other devices are still waiting it will come in due course.

shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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It's not so surprising when u think about the number of developers/programmers in Samsung as a multi-billion company compared to cyanogen. +I think there may have been some deals between Google and Samsung, LG etc so they get the source code sooner before official release. But that's only what think, no evidence backing up this statement.

shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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How has Samsung beat CM to the chase? Money. Samsung are rolling in cash and they have a ridiculous amount of it to throw at developing the OS for their devices. Don't forget CM is a tiny (miniscule) company. Plus, the major OEM's get early release access to Android releases. You'll get your Lollipop, just be patient.
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shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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Samsung probably got off there ass, they have always received new code from google way in advance of it being released to the public.
When it goes public that's when cm gets it.
Please understand all the variables before doing a shame post

I believe they got the code sooner
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Now shouldn't the One plus and CM get it as soon as other OEMs get it? I mean CM is no more bunch of dev doing this part time. I am still not convinced.
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viny2cool said:
Now shouldn't the One plus and CM get it as soon as other OEMs get it? I mean CM is no more bunch of dev doing this part time. I am still not convinced.
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Even if they did get it at the same time, CM would still be behind. It's all about money. Think about it, HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, they all have squillions of dollars and countless employees to sink into their devices. CM? Nope. CM are a tiny (and new) company, with just a fraction of the money and manpower that the big players have. I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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timmaaa said:
I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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Because most consumers have no clue what's going on behind the scenes of these businesses, and ironically this leads them to think they know enough to legitimately criticize them. In America we call them arm-chair quarterbacks. They watch the game on TV the day after it's played completely removed the circumstances of the game, yet somehow they think they know everything and the guy on the field is stupid even though they've never even played the game.

timmaaa said:
Even if they did get it at the same time, CM would still be behind. It's all about money. Think about it, HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, they all have squillions of dollars and countless employees to sink into their devices. CM? Nope. CM are a tiny (and new) company, with just a fraction of the money and manpower that the big players have. I really don't understand why everyone is so confused about this.
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I understand that but the only thing which is kind of icky to me is that CM being the primary OS provider for this phone, should provide the first stable versions for our phone. May be I am not seeing it correctly but looks like everyone gets CM stable releases at the same time. I just got this phone a month so may be I am missing something.
Not complaining or anything, just trying to understand the process.
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Because most consumers have no clue what's going on behind the scenes of these businesses, and ironically this leads them to think they know enough to legitimately criticize them. In America we call them arm-chair quarterbacks. They watch the game on TV the day after it's played completely removed the circumstances of the game, yet somehow they think they know everything and the guy on the field is stupid even though they've never even played the game.
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Not trying to start an argument here. But you do understand that the american football is played for the consumer's money (TV rights, stadium fees, ads etc). So if those arm chair QBs are paying to watch the game, they have a right to complain. If the teams or the players have a problem with it then they can go and play in private where no one will ever say a word.
It is similar situation here. The oneplus strategy was to attract consumers by using CM' OS. So I and others have a right to ask questions. You cannot criticize them and call them names. Go take out your frustration on someone else. You don't like this thread? Don't read it and don't comment on it.
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viny2cool said:
It is similar situation here.
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You missed the point. Paying to watch something makes nobody an expert or even knowledgeable about the matter. One is free to complain about the phone one bought, but that gives no understanding about what's going on in the offices of OnePlus or CyanogenMod, or the processes involved in the two of them outing a ROM compared to Samsung.

CafeKampuchia said:
You missed the point. Paying to watch something makes nobody an expert or even knowledgeable about the matter. One is free to complain about the phone one bought, but that gives no understanding about what's going on in the offices of OnePlus or CyanogenMod, or the processes involved in the two of them outing a ROM compared to Samsung.
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Exactly and that is what being discuss here. Some people like me are not sure about the things which goes in CM/One Plus office and we are confused on why CM can't get it out sooner then other big OEMs. Small company or not, they are getting paid.
No one goes complaining directly to the players or the teams (or companies in this case). America is a free country and people like you are trying to suppress the freedom of speech. I am going to sit here and ask million questions and you cannot stop me. Exactly like I can't stop you from replying to my messages .
If you want to contribute to answering then the question, then please do. If not then please stop creating arguments here.

Cyanogenmod have releases for a boat load of different phones with different hardware, they get the lollipop source as it's released to the public and they're are a very small company. Unlike Samsung, HTC, LG and Sony which have many developers and early access to the android source code so they can develop the next android version with their respective skin on top. If you want to complain about cyanogenmod, feel free to do so just know they're a small niche operating system compared to the big OEM's. But you can take a look at cyanogenmod's Gerrit and see they're working hard on the CM12 branch, that's something you can't see with the big OEM's
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viny2cool said:
Exactly and that is what being discuss here. Some people like me are not sure about the things which goes in CM/One Plus office and we are confused on why CM can't get it out sooner then other big OEMs. Small company or not, they are getting paid.
No one goes complaining directly to the players or the teams (or companies in this case). America is a free country and people like you are trying to suppress the freedom of speech. I am going to sit here and ask million questions and you cannot stop me. Exactly like I can't stop you from replying to my messages .
If you want to contribute to answering then the question, then please do. If not then please stop creating arguments here.
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So if I don't say what you want to hear, I just stop posting... I get it now. I guess I misunderstood what freedom of speech was before. :silly:

No point.
Why care about a Galaxy Sx getting lollipop before? It sucks anyway...:silly:

shure2 said:
I'm very surprised that Samsung have started to officially push out Lollipop to the S5 and OPO has not yet.
Considering the Touchwiz overlay which we all know is heavy and would require loads of work, where as CM12 doesn't have much of a change over stock Lollipop.
I've been using the CM12 nightlies for a few weeks now and they can be used as a daily driver for me, but there are still little bugs that need to be ironed out.
How has Samsung pipped CM to the post? I'm not sure if CM has just been slow or Samsung has picked up it's act.
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You forgot something, it's only officially available to the S5 in... Poland. Otherwise you still would have to root/ROM the Lollipop update onto the S5 no differently than a CM12 nightly and then it will only work on the international version. For the vast majority of S5 users they won't see an official OTA update for months, well after CM has delivered Lollipop to the OPO. Once it's made available to the US carriers expect massive delays again so they can 'certify' the ROM before pushing it out. If you really think that the extremely limited, country specific, release 'beat' CM to Lollipop you either have never played in the Android world or you have massively misplaced expectations.

BrianDigital said:
Samsung probably got off there ass, they have always received new code from google way in advance of it being released to the public.
When it goes public that's when cm gets it.
Please understand all the variables before doing a shame post
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Could you please provide a source to show Samsung get the code early?

rcook55 said:
You forgot something, it's only officially available to the S5 in... Poland. Otherwise you still would have to root/ROM the Lollipop update onto the S5 no differently than a CM12 nightly and then it will only work on the international version. For the vast majority of S5 users they won't see an official OTA update for months, well after CM has delivered Lollipop to the OPO. Once it's made available to the US carriers expect massive delays again so they can 'certify' the ROM before pushing it out. If you really think that the extremely limited, country specific, release 'beat' CM to Lollipop you either have never played in the Android world or you have massively misplaced expectations.
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So you can root and anyone with a European S5 can get a genuine released Lollipop. At the moment we are flashing a pre nightly version of an aftermarket ROM, not even a nightly, let alone anywhere close to an official CM12S.
Sure Samsung have money and they should need it to adapt TouchWiz, but this is basically a stock Lollipop we are waiting for.
I've yet to see anyone quote a reliable source about Samsung getting the code early, but if the do then that would obviously be a good reason for CM appearing slow.

CM are slow look into previous CM releases go back to when Kit Kat was released, or Jelly Bean etc. CM support a number of devices each with different drivers and such CM access the code once it's released to public as mentioned on many posts here. Now that's CM. If OPO wanted to I assume they could release an AOSP version of Lollipop if they wish to like how they did with Kit Kat. CM won't rush and roll out a semi working CM12S for the sake of it we haven't even got official nightlies yet. We are still within the 90 day promise so there's plenty of time left still.

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So you can root and anyone with a European S5 can get a genuine released Lollipop. At the moment we are flashing a pre nightly version of an aftermarket ROM, not even a nightly, let alone anywhere close to an official CM12S.
Sure Samsung have money and they should need it to adapt TouchWiz, but this is basically a stock Lollipop we are waiting for.
I've yet to see anyone quote a reliable source about Samsung getting the code early, but if the do then that would obviously be a good reason for CM appearing slow.
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It doesn't matter even an iota that it's stock Android that we're waiting for. That doesn't make it any less work to get it working for a device. You should look into exactly what is involved in getting a new version of Android running on any non-Nexus device, because clearly you're under the false impression that it's a sinch to do, which it most definitely is not. This is all about money and resources.

OxygenOs is out

Just saw it was released, who's porting it to the nexus 6? Sucks PA is dead for now but I'm sure oxygen will be good

Isn't oxy os just aosp with a few minor tweaks ?
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Yes it is but none the less always nice to see new things. And arnt all Roms a modified aosp? Cm,omni

I would love to see a port! And it bumped to 5.1 woohoo!

Not open source or for this device so pretty unlikely
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akellar said:
Not open source or for this device so pretty unlikely
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How can you not open source android? Especially based off Google? Is that even legal?

Frozt said:
How can you not open source android? Especially based off Google? Is that even legal?
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Ever heard of touchwiz, sense, blur, etc?
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Frozt said:
How can you not open source android? Especially based off Google? Is that even legal?
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Android is open source yes however the skins, customizations and frameworks companies do to it are not.
Is there much of a need for a pott of this anyway? Its got less features than cyanogen nightlies have atm and is pretty much a very basic ROM as it stands atm. Most of the things CM12s didn't even make it over to oxygen (yet)
I do hope the PA guys can now get a new build out for everyone else soon. The gerrit had a a couple of weeks of no movement there.

Roxas598 said:
Android is open source yes however the skins, customizations and frameworks companies do to it are not.
Is there much of a need for a pott of this anyway? Its got less features than cyanogen nightlies have atm and is pretty much a very basic ROM as it stands atm. Most of the things CM12s didn't even make it over to oxygen (yet)
I do hope the PA guys can now get a new build out for everyone else soon. The gerrit had a a couple of weeks of no movement there.
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That's because they got pissed and they pulled out of XDA, I'm sure they're taking a long break from PA

Smallsmx3 said:
That's because they got pissed and they pulled out of XDA, I'm sure they're taking a long break from PA
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what are they pissed of? so far PA is doing quite well then suddenly development stopped from 5.0 onwards.
Looks very AOSP to me now, only a few minor tweaks.
hope someone could port this!

bradputt said:
what are they pissed of? so far PA is doing quite well then suddenly development stopped from 5.0 onwards.
Looks very AOSP to me now, only a few minor tweaks.
hope someone could port this!
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I don't know anything about this particular situation but my read is that they got an actual paying job to make Oxygen so PA got put on the back burner. If they got hit by some flank on XDA over some issues it would further drive them into paid work vs unpaid as PA is a very non-funded project. I doubt we'll see a port of this. The big push from OnePlus with going with there own custom OS was some mix of butthurt about cyanogen and the ability to further control the OS/have unique features. I am also very certain that there job contract will exclude them from being able to 'port' features from OxygenOS back into PA or some other rom.

There is literally nothing unique to OxygenOS this early in the game. It's AOSP with QS customizations and the gestures from ColorOS.

akellar said:
Ever heard of touchwiz, sense, blur, etc?
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Aren't those skins?

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Aren't those skins?
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Same as OxygenOS, yes

My question is, do they plan on releasing the code for the open source community? if not will all the trolls and flamers who said cygn was super evil for not releasing source to CM11S, do the same here? Of course not because hating CM is cool. I lost lot of respect for the PA devs after their continued CM bashing over the last few months, continually pointing out how CM11S source was never released, yet it will be the same with oxygenos.

Circaflex said:
My question is, do they plan on releasing the code for the open source community? if not will all the trolls and flamers who said cygn was super evil for not releasing source to CM11S, do the same here? Of course not because hating CM is cool. I lost lot of respect for the PA devs after their continued CM bashing over the last few months, continually pointing out how CM11S source was never released, yet it will be the same with oxygenos.
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They already said they won't I believe.

Circaflex said:
My question is, do they plan on releasing the code for the open source community? if not will all the trolls and flamers who said cygn was super evil for not releasing source to CM11S, do the same here? Of course not because hating CM is cool. I lost lot of respect for the PA devs after their continued CM bashing over the last few months, continually pointing out how CM11S source was never released, yet it will be the same with oxygenos.
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I don't see a reason why they would release anything other than finished builds at this point.

8Fishes said:
I don't see a reason why they would release anything other than finished builds at this point.
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because android is open and their devs preached how cyanogen was breaking the mold of open android, yet they do the exact same?

Circaflex said:
because android is open and their devs preached how cyanogen was breaking the mold of open android, yet they do the exact same?
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They just have no business sense. Now that they're getting paid to code, they understand they don't own the code they produce, the people that pay them for their work own it. Same thing with Cyanogen, they can't get investors to put money into software that is publicly published or it isn't worth anything. Problem with that situation is that a lot of CM commits were made by the community not solely by the guys who started it.

joshm.1219 said:
They just have no business sense. Now that they're getting paid to code, they understand they don't own the code they produce, the people that pay them for their work own it. Same thing with Cyanogen, they can't get investors to put money into software that is publicly published or it isn't worth anything. Problem with that situation is that a lot of CM commits were made by the community not solely by the guys who started it.
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trust me, i agree with what you just said. I have preached that to the zealots who wanted to flame cyanogen, like you said it wasnt cyanogens code to share because of the deal with one plus. No one seemed to understand that.

The Honor brand is disappointing..

I'm quoting a user who contacted Honor UK asking about the EMUI 5.1 update
johnhux7 said:
I have been taking to Honor UK on hangouts.
Honor has no plans to release EMUI 5.1 at the MO.
They also said about the promice of updates :
"The "promise" was a Honor US thing. No European countries were part of that."
They also said :
"The Honor 8 is due to get an update soon. As to what's in that again no info."
These are exact copies of what they said.
Will post more when they say more
John
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"We are committed to updates, we just don't want to be caught out by publishing press releases with timescales in."
"The whole deal with XDA again was a US, neither Honor US or XDA consulted us before announcing the relationship."
John
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs
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I hope that this thread will be noticed by the Huawei/Honor community managers, and that they'll take full responsibility for all the false claims and misleading motto about supporting the Dev community (that includes releasing proper source code) + 2 years updates + XDA partnership.
We need an explanation.
A note to the forum moderators: Please do not remove this thread or censor it as it's our sole way to be noticed by Honor team.

It would be great to have some reply from @Honor UK (Verified), @HonorUSA or @Rox_Honor, but I don't think we will be that lucky...

morpheus302 said:
I'm quoting a user who contacted Honor UK asking about the EMUI 5.1 update
I hope that this thread will be noticed by the Huawei/Honor community managers, and that they'll take full responsibility for all the false claims and misleading motto about supporting the Dev community (that includes releasing proper source code) + 2 years updates + XDA partnership.
We need an explanation.
A note to the forum moderators: Please do not remove this thread or censor it as it's our sole way to be noticed by Honor team.
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ViCioPT said:
It would be great to have some reply from @Honor UK (Verified), @HonorUSA or @Rox_Honor, but I don't think we will be that lucky...
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I'm in the Honor H8 fut and there has been no talk of any updates only security patches are in the works and their released untested
Interesting read here >> http://m.androidcentral.com/heres-why-huawei-launching-p10-canada-not-us
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

morpheus302 said:
I'm quoting a user who contacted Honor UK asking about the EMUI 5.1 update
I hope that this thread will be noticed by the Huawei/Honor community managers, and that they'll take full responsibility for all the false claims and misleading motto about supporting the Dev community (that includes releasing proper source code) + 2 years updates + XDA partnership.
We need an explanation.
A note to the forum moderators: Please do not remove this thread or censor it as it's our sole way to be noticed by Honor team.
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This is really good.
It's exactly why I posted the messages that i did so people know exactly what's going on.
Us taking about our selfs doesn't come up with facts and that's what we need FACTS.
I will keep messaging them and will keep posting what is said.
We need to email them on mass and let them know just how we all feel about this
John
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs

What's their email you use for US? I'll send them a message. I'm about to switch back to my Moto g.

brownd7380 said:
What's their email you use for US? I'll send them a message. I'm about to switch back to my Moto g.
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Email them through your hicare app
Sent from my Honor 8 using XDA Labs

Yepp, disappointing. My last Honor personally, will move to another brand.

I'm a big fan of the Honor/Huawei camera, its the best out of all brands I've used including Apple, but they need to improve the updates and release the kernel source. For a moment I was close to selling the Honor 8 and getting a OnePlus for a better software experience, but I managed to go jump through hoops to manually update the phone.

I paid $280 for my Honor 8. I have been nothing but happy with it. If you don't like it, move on to something else honestly.

tekkitan said:
I paid $280 for my Honor 8. I have been nothing but happy with it. If you don't like it, move on to something else honestly.
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If you got your phone for a good price and you're happy with it, it's good for you. This thread exposes some facts and its aim is to get a "minimal" support from Huawei. So, maybe we'll move to something else 'honestly' in a near future. But many users can't afford it

Don't get it. People are calling some underpaid support guy on the customer level, mostly not really tech avid guys and quite uninformed and than believe what they're saying? Honestly?
There is only one department for outside communication. And you never talk to them. Relax and don't believe what so [email protected] guy is saying you, as they often get informations even later than the customers.

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Yepp, disappointing. My last Honor personally, will move to another brand.
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I know what you mean. Though, I like my honor 8 phone but their support is by far the worst . I ask questions in their community forum site and hardly ever get any responds . And, I even wait a few days for an answer, still nothing . To me that's not acceptable . It would be different if I were asking my question here on a non Honor website but my questions are direct to them, unacceptable PERIOD

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I know what you mean. Though, I like my honor 8 phone but their support is by far the worst . I ask questions in their community forum site and hardly ever get any responds . And, I even wait a few days for an answer, still nothing . To me that's not acceptable . It would be different if I were asking my question here on a non Honor website but my questions are direct to them, unacceptable PERIOD
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Lol it's the same even with supposed top brands like Samsung your calling a call center usually from another country that has only been trained to tell you how factory reset your phone from settings or from a button combo. If that doesn't solve it you are usually directed to send your phone back for warranty if it is under warranty or pay to fix your phone. So it's not just honor brand.

Yeah, I like the hardware especially at the price but software support is too poor for me to ever consider Honor again. Too many bugs and too few fixes.

It's the same on every single brand. My last was LG V10. A very pricy device. But no updates, not even security updates in time. I was expecting this for a 650€ device. On the H8 I got Nougat right after I booted it. And it was only 360€. Quite good. I'm disappointed by the closed source policy though. They promised more and that's why i didn't get the bq devices with some kind of Cyanogen on it. Still not sure if it was a wise decision.

faeArai said:
It's the same on every single brand. My last was LG V10. A very pricy device. But no updates, not even security updates in time. I was expecting this for a 650€ device. On the H8 I got Nougat right after I booted it. And it was only 360€. Quite good. I'm disappointed by the closed source policy though. They promised more and that's why i didn't get the bq devices with some kind of Cyanogen on it. Still not sure if it was a wise decision.
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I had to ask Honor UK to release the source code for the kernel more forcefully than i'd like to ask any company. I guess the only way for the community to get something out of Honor is to ask them many times.

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I had to ask Honor UK to release the source code for the kernel more forcefully than i'd like to ask any company. I guess the only way for the community to get something out of Honor is to ask them many times.
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Yes your so right there.
We need to put pressure into them in order to get what we need.
They do response to messages in Thier Google+ groups

droidboy29 said:
Lol it's the same even with supposed top brands like Samsung your calling a call center usually from another country that has only been trained to tell you how factory reset your phone from settings or from a button combo. If that doesn't solve it you are usually directed to send your phone back for warranty if it is under warranty or pay to fix your phone. So it's not just honor brand.
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That maybe so . I wouldn't need another phone for a few years . When that day does come I will make sure beforehand which company provides a good phone and support, one thing is for sure it wouldn't be Huawei

I want Security updates once a month.
B360 has the patches from three and a half months ago.
That's...crap, honestly.
I'm not asking for shiny new features and the latest version of Android. Those would be great, but EMUI 5.1's not horribly out of date. Security fixes so my data's not stolen or device ****ed up are kind of important.