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Woke up this morning to my Galaxy Camera 2 claiming it was downloading a new software update (~130mb). Of course, there's no mention anywhere in the update process for what is included in this update, but I can definitely tell you that it's not Kitkat (sadly). Unfortunately, I didn't check version numbers prior to accepting the update (sorry), but here's the version numbers after the update:
Build Number:
JSS15J.GC200XXUCNK4
Kernel version:
3.0.31-2807772
[email protected] #1
Sat Nov 29 15:55:43 KST 2014
That's the same Build Number we've had since like April 2014, but the kernel definitely seems to have been updated. Maybe they finally fixed the loss of Google account settings issue??? I appreciate updates, but I really wish they would inform the customer better on what these updates fixed.
Ironically, for the first time in a long time, my Camera 2 had lost its Google Account settings when I turned it on this morning....haha.
Oh, I reside in Florida, USA. Not sure who else in the world is receiving the update, but according to SamMobile.com the Camera 2 update was hitting other locations around the globe starting 12/18/2014, but there's no mention of it hitting the USA at all.
Need to know if it's root able.
cantenna said:
Need to know if it's root able.
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As long as this fixes the problem of losing the Google account, I have no reason to root the camera. Plus, I still have this weird hope that Samsung will actually release a Kitkat update for it (haha), and with there basically being ZERO development for this device on XDA, I don't want to be stuck not able to update.
Well, it's been almost a week since this update and it's also been a week of heavy Camera 2 use with the holidays. I haven't lost Google settings even once.
Thus far my camera hasn't lost my Google accounts, and by now it surely would have happened
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internetpilot said:
As long as this fixes the problem of losing the Google account, I have no reason to root the camera. Plus, I still have this weird hope that Samsung will actually release a Kitkat update for it (haha), and with there basically being ZERO development for this device on XDA, I don't want to be stuck not able to update.
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Eh...
I didn't waste my time getting the Galaxy Camera 2, just got the One.
I understand your stress though.
Someone needs a swift kick in the butt so we can get development going for both devices.
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hmm am glad to see an uphdate still, though im really really hoping for lollipop which should allow RAW access for the camera.
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hmm am glad to see an uphdate still, though im really really hoping for lollipop which should allow RAW access for the camera.
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Assuming you do get it, could we transfer it over to the Galaxy Camera One, Wi-Fi Edition?
I don't like to be the rude one. But at this point, someone has to help root the Wi-Fi Only version, and come up with a Custom Recovery.
Not only this, but we need to see Devs, but we've got people sitting and pointing fingers instead.
I wanna see a ROM putting us all on a better version, or something more come to all the cameras.
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hmm, really wouldnt have thought so, its probably possible given the hardware similarities but i think that given the camera 1 and 2 have been such unpopular devices they havent warranted their own listings here i wouldnt hold me breath. the key to getting a ROM for a device is someone who is techy enough to do wanting to use one. i for one might like the camera but i would have absolutely no clue how to make a rom for it.
hmm surely there must be a dev out there who likes photos.
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hmm, really wouldnt have thought so, its probably possible given the hardware similarities but i think that given the camera 1 and 2 have been such unpopular devices they havent warranted their own listings here i wouldnt hold me breath. the key to getting a ROM for a device is someone who is techy enough to do wanting to use one. i for one might like the camera but i would have absolutely no clue how to make a rom for it.
hmm surely there must be a dev out there who likes photos.
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The Camera 2 has gotten support, but not what it needs.
And honestly, Developing ROMs isn't too difficult, I just don't have the time for it.
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The reason why you would want to root the camera is because you can instal Link2sd and Foldermount, with these two apps you can install theoretically 128G of apps
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The reason why you would want to root the camera is because you can instal Link2sd and Foldermount, with these two apps you can install theoretically 128G of apps
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Why would anyone want to put 128GB of apps on a camera? I mean, a tablet or phone, okay...but a camera? I just don't really see the practical purpose for that. The biggest storage hog on my tablet/phone is music and movies, and neither of those require the device to be rooted to store them on the external SD card.
Again, with the way Samsung is really clamping down on not allowing OTA's to be delivered to even just rooted devices, and with the basically non-existent development support for this device, I won't be rooting it until I'm 100% certain that there's no OTA update coming for it, and even then I would only root it if someone put out a reliable custom Kitkat or Lollipop ROM for it. Honestly, if Samsung won't update it, then I'm really not holding my breath that some 3rd-party dev ever will.
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The Camera 2 has gotten support, but not what it needs.
And honestly, Developing ROMs isn't too difficult, I just don't have the time for it.
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It would be a heckuva lot easier to port a Camera 2 ROM over to the Camera 1 (rather than develop a ROM from scratch for either camera model), but even that hasn't been done. I don't think there's ever going to be any original development on these devices (like a CM11 or CM12). Developing ROMs isn't terribly difficult, but it's not easy either, especially not on a device that is so driver dependent like these cameras are. Just about every Android device I've owned (phone or tablet) has problems with the camera not working in some way (if not completely) on any original development project. What good is a camera with the latest Android OS if it causes the camera function not to work or even not work reliably?
I think we need to face it, folks -- these cameras are pretty much as-is. At best we're highly dependent on whatever Samsung gives us.
Nope, I disagree. Rooting this camera is a damn good idea for so many reasons. Most tablet or phone dont have a miro HDMI, My camera, I can install apps without deleting and its not just a camera, its an android device by Samsung that comes with a micro hdmi and with a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, well if you have ever thought about buying an android TV box, this is a better replacement, it performs much better than majority on the market.
And yes I agree that stock ROMs with stock drivers perform better but asop base ROM do perform much better in terms of speed in gaming and applications. What about a multi ROM solution to allow you multi-boot i.e. boot stock from internal nand and asop lollipop from from external SD, now that would be a sweet setup!
hmmm i get your point but for me, the camera is a camera. ive got a tablet for tablety things, a phone for phoney things so what i want is camera focused and to have dropbox autoupload everything nicely.
thats the anly reasen im so fussed that i want it to get lollipop as it should then get RAW capabilities. while i realise it may not happen i will vote with my wallet. this is my first real samsung device (galaxy nexus doesnt count) and while i love oled screens and removable batteries if samsung abandon the camera, well i will abandon them. its really that simple, if they wont support devices going forward then i wont buy any other android devices from them.
if only google put out a Nexus Camera.
NK4 and rooting
I just finished the upgrade to NK4. I was trying to keep root through survival mode in Superuser Pro, but I ended up having to reroot. The upgrade via kies took about a hour. I attempted to re-establish root via Superuser but was unable to do so. I ODIN'ed the CF-autoroot onto the camera and reinstalled Superuser. I now have a NK4 rooted camera.
Since the discussion seems to have shifted to the rational for rooting, here's my take. First, it should be noted that root <> custom recovery. We do not have custom recovery for the GalCam2, so installing alternative ROM's, if available is not an option. So, why root? For me, it's Xposed modules; specifically pie controls(mmmm, pie). I've had several digital cameras over the years. In fact, when I bought this camera, I had a year old samsung camera. Why this camera? It's android, so I can to many things that would be not be possible on other cameras in this price range, like say using different camera apps.
So, if you're rooted on NC2, fear not. The water's OK over here on NK4.
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Nope, I disagree. Rooting this camera is a damn good idea for so many reasons. Most tablet or phone dont have a miro HDMI, My camera, I can install apps without deleting and its not just a camera, its an android device by Samsung that comes with a micro hdmi and with a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, well if you have ever thought about buying an android TV box, this is a better replacement, it performs much better than majority on the market.
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Well, of course you can disagree, but I still think you're stretching your camera well beyond practical purpose. Cameras are quirky enough on their own (especially ones with Android OS) -- it's probably not a good idea to use it so much for non-photography purposes because when you wear it out from overuse with all these extraneous functions you're not just going to be out an Android TV device -- you're going to be out a $400 camera. Android TV boxes can be had for as cheap as US$25 and are practically disposable at that price.
Incidentally, I have a HDMI dongle (that uses a standard, readily available fullsize HDMI plug/cable) that I use on my Galaxy Note 2 phone and/or my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 tablet all the time (typically when on vacation watching movies on the hotel TV). Not to mention $30 Chromecast can be used wirelessly. All of this without overusing my $400 camera, so that the next time I want to use my camera it won't have a low battery, scratched up screen, or otherwise screwed up or acting quirky from rooting it.
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And yes I agree that stock ROMs with stock drivers perform better but asop base ROM do perform much better in terms of speed in gaming and applications. What about a multi ROM solution to allow you multi-boot i.e. boot stock from internal nand and asop lollipop from from external SD, now that would be a sweet setup!
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Again, it's all about what's your priority purpose for this device. I bought this device to use as a internet connected camera -- I didn't buy it for playing games or running non-photography related apps. I don't want to have choose which OS I'm booting to....I just want to turn the camera on, take some pics, and be able to immediately upload them somewhere. As long as that's working, then in my world there's really no need to actively look for alternative solutions that are just going to potentially mess that simple process up.
Again, there's a reason why I'm here on XDA -- I've rooted (and usually ROMed) every other Android device I've owned. I'm even currently running CM11 on my Galaxy Note 2 at the expense of losing some of the S-pen features because it runs so much faster that it's like I got a completely new phone. But I just don't see any reason for rooting (or especially ROMing) the Camera 2.
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Since the discussion seems to have shifted to the rational for rooting, here's my take. First, it should be noted that root <> custom recovery. We do not have custom recovery for the GalCam2, so installing alternative ROM's, if available is not an option. So, why root? For me, it's Xposed modules; specifically pie controls(mmmm, pie). I've had several digital cameras over the years. In fact, when I bought this camera, I had a year old samsung camera. Why this camera? It's android, so I can to many things that would be not be possible on other cameras in this price range, like say using different camera apps.
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That's actually very good to know for future reference that NK4 is rootable. That's likely the last update we'll see for this camera knowing Samsung.
I actually don't always use a custom recovery on my Samsung devices. Since most root methods, ROMs, and even the recoveries themselves are flashed via Odin, there's really not a pressing need for a custom recovery. I've even encountered a lot of quirkiness with most custom recoveries (Philz, CWM, TWRP) when it comes to Nandroid backups (especially reliable restores), so I never rely on them and instead just reflash the ROM, allow Google to restore system data, and then restore personal apps/data with TitaniumBackup. Plus, even if you're rooted, as long as you have the stock recovery you can USUALLY take any OTA updates. I emphasize USUALLY because my Note 10.1 2014 Ed tablet is rooted but running stock recovery and the latest bug-fix update will not flash because they claim my tablet has been modified.
I guess I've never felt the need for pie controls because I haven't used the stock launcher on any Android device I've ever owned. The Camera 2 camera app interface is already pretty sweet with the on-screen dial menus. Like I said above, I'm not just globally adverse to rooting (far from it), but I just have yet to find any reason to root this camera, especially now that the latest update seems to have corrected the stupid vanishing Google Account settings issue.
Now, if someone ever comes up with a fully functioning Lollipop ROM for this camera, you'll quickly see me singing a different tune, but until then....
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Well, of course you can disagree, but I still think you're stretching your camera well beyond practical purpose. Cameras are quirky enough on their own (especially ones with Android OS) -- it's probably not a good idea to use it so much for non-photography purposes because when you wear it out from overuse with all these extraneous functions you're not just going to be out an Android TV device -- you're going to be out a $400 camera. Android TV boxes can be had for as cheap as US$25 and are practically disposable at that price.
Incidentally, I have a HDMI dongle (that uses a standard, readily available fullsize HDMI plug/cable) that I use on my Galaxy Note 2 phone and/or my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 tablet all the time (typically when on vacation watching movies on the hotel TV). Not to mention $30 Chromecast can be used wirelessly. All of this without overusing my $400 camera, so that the next time I want to use my camera it won't have a low battery, scratched up screen, or otherwise screwed up or acting quirky from rooting it.
Again, it's all about what's your priority purpose for this device. I bought this device to use as a internet connected camera -- I didn't buy it for playing games or running non-photography related apps. I don't want to have choose which OS I'm booting to....I just want to turn the camera on, take some pics, and be able to immediately upload them somewhere. As long as that's working, then in my world there's really no need to actively look for alternative solutions that are just going to potentially mess that simple process up.
Again, there's a reason why I'm here on XDA -- I've rooted (and usually ROMed) every other Android device I've owned. I'm even currently running CM11 on my Galaxy Note 2 at the expense of losing some of the S-pen features because it runs so much faster that it's like I got a completely new phone. But I just don't see any reason for rooting (or especially ROMing) the Camera 2.
That's actually very good to know for future reference that NK4 is rootable. That's likely the last update we'll see for this camera knowing Samsung.
I actually don't always use a custom recovery on my Samsung devices. Since most root methods, ROMs, and even the recoveries themselves are flashed via Odin, there's really not a pressing need for a custom recovery. I've even encountered a lot of quirkiness with most custom recoveries (Philz, CWM, TWRP) when it comes to Nandroid backups (especially reliable restores), so I never rely on them and instead just reflash the ROM, allow Google to restore system data, and then restore personal apps/data with TitaniumBackup. Plus, even if you're rooted, as long as you have the stock recovery you can USUALLY take any OTA updates. I emphasize USUALLY because my Note 10.1 2014 Ed tablet is rooted but running stock recovery and the latest bug-fix update will not flash because they claim my tablet has been modified.
I guess I've never felt the need for pie controls because I haven't used the stock launcher on any Android device I've ever owned. The Camera 2 camera app interface is already pretty sweet with the on-screen dial menus. Like I said above, I'm not just globally adverse to rooting (far from it), but I just have yet to find any reason to root this camera, especially now that the latest update seems to have corrected the stupid vanishing Google Account settings issue.
Now, if someone ever comes up with a fully functioning Lollipop ROM for this camera, you'll quickly see me singing a different tune, but until then....
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Stretching beyond practice purpose is what makes android, android. Samsung makes good hardware, this camera will never fail from overuse and $25.00 android boxes perform like $25.00 android boxes.
I also do not use the stock launcher on any of my Samsung devices. I use lightning launcher on the camera(as well as my notes). The reason I like pie controls is that you gain extra screen space when you're using the launcher(no nav bar). So far, that's my only use of root, that could change in time; but not having custom recovery makes me very cautious in installing addition items.
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Stretching beyond practice purpose is what makes android, android. Samsung makes good hardware, this camera will never fail from overuse and $25.00 android boxes perform like $25.00 android boxes.
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If you think a multi element autofocus mechanical extending zoom lens and an electronic shutter are never going to fail, then you better start preparing yourself for disappointment in about 2 years. LOL.
My three $25 AndroidTV boxes have been working great for years, running Netflix and Amazon Prime video since day one that I bought them. They're also running Kitkat even though they started out on Gingerbread.
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I also do not use the stock launcher on any of my Samsung devices. I use lightning launcher on the camera(as well as my notes). The reason I like pie controls is that you gain extra screen space when you're using the launcher(no nav bar). So far, that's my only use of root, that could change in time; but not having custom recovery makes me very cautious in installing addition items.
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I'm pretty sure that all of my Samsung devices have been rooted and ROMed using Odin. My first Android device was a HTC EVO 4G, which solely used custom recoveries (unless you just like going back to the dark years of ADB), so the first couple of times I asked devs for a flashable zip, I was all but excommunicated from the XDA forum for such blasphemy. Everyone here seems to do just about everything via Odin, so I don't really sweat not having a custom recovery. Most things that can go wrong (bootloops, soft-bricks, etc.) when mucking around flashing devices are solved via Odin anyway.
Hello. I just received my new 6P, having upgraded from a 2nd Gen Moto X. Prior to that I was a flashaholic on my S4, and S2 before that. Basically, I've been out of the Custom ROM game for a while.
I'm wondering whether to root and install custom on my Nexus, with the following goals in mind:
1. I’d like to stay very, very close to stock.
2. I'd like bug free and stable.
3. Ability to increase battery life by tweaking Doze to kick in faster.
4. Keep Android Pay and Project Fi working
Any recommendations based on that criteria? I'm currently teaching overseas, so I feel like my ability to work through bugs and issues is a bit more limited than it is when I'm back in the States.
Thanks so much.
Check out Pure Nexus.. I just installed it and so far its great!
Given that you are overseas and less able to deal with potential twists and turns of rooting and ROMing... I suggest you remain stock. This is just my opinion but I think some people are diving into rooting, ROMing, launcher-ing this phone the minute they get it because they did it on their previous carrier phone before they even give the true 6P Android experience a chance. (I don't think that applies to previous Nexus owners though)
This phone is amazing in its stock form. The only thing on your list that you won't get by remaining stock is the ability to tweak doze. Doze works quite well in its stock form. If you can charge your phone every night, I wonder if you will even find that you need to tweak doze. If you have periods where you can plug it in during the day with fast charging, there is definitely no pressing reason to tweak doze.
I know this tends to be a more root/ROM forum so my opinion here may be in the minority. I just wanted to toss out one perspective.
Hope you enjoy the phone!
Yeah, that's the thing.,.. I love stock. I do miss some minor cosmetic customisation options, but for the most part, I'm not looking to blow the whole thing up like I was on my Galaxy S phones with TouchWiz. I'm definitely leaning on staying stock over here and maybe playing around with it when we come home for the summer.
Dugan1017 said:
Yeah, that's the thing.,.. I love stock. I do miss some minor cosmetic customisation options, but for the most part, I'm not looking to blow the whole thing up like I was on my Galaxy S phones with TouchWiz. I'm definitely leaning on staying stock over here and maybe playing around with it when we come home for the summer.
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I would definitely unlock the bootloader before you get the phone set up and maybe apply systemless root, but then give stock a go for some time and see how you like it. Then maybe try adding some third party apps like Nova Launcher and Custom Quick Settings (the latter requires root). Stock MM is really very nice.
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I would definitely unlock the bootloader before you get the phone set up and maybe apply systemless root, but then give stock a go for some time and see how you like it. Then maybe try adding some third party apps like Nova Launcher and Custom Quick Settings (the latter requires root). Stock MM is really very nice.
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I'm assuming you say unlock the bootloader now just because it wipes everything if/when I do it later?
Dugan1017 said:
I'm assuming you say unlock the bootloader now just because it wipes everything if/when I do it later?
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Yes!
Dugan1017 said:
I'm assuming you say unlock the bootloader now just because it wipes everything if/when I do it later?
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Yes, exactly. Heisenberg has a guide if you should need any help.
adrman said:
I would definitely unlock the bootloader before you get the phone set up and maybe apply systemless root, but then give stock a go for some time and see how you like it. Then maybe try adding some third party apps like Nova Launcher and Custom Quick Settings (the latter requires root). Stock MM is really very nice.
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Agreed, that's what I'd suggest, too. Once rooted, you can use NapTime to tweak Doze to kick in earlier. You can't use it's "aggressive" option, as it has a bug and kills stuff like being able to download new apps from the Play Store, but you can still tweak the times to make it kick in a lot sooner.
I followed the H guide and learnt/learned new stuff. Unlocking and ROM has allowed me to access the fun little options that stock couldn't give to me.
My personal favourites are really quite small things: battery display and clock centered.
I do wonder why though Chroma and Pure nexus are so popular compared to the rest in terms of views and responses. Surely this is an indication of worth, right? Or is it simply following the masses after those Roms were first in, first to serve?
Stock rom is great. I use Xposed and a few modules to get my customization fix!
Approximately one month ago, I sent my phone in to Sony for repair service. The top speaker was not functioning properly. They fixed the speaker, but also updated my phone to Lollipop which caused me to lose root access. I've been rooting my phones since I first discovered it in 2010. I originally planned to immediately re-root my phone, but remembered that I can finally have access to Android Pay by keeping the device as-is. So, I decided to keep the phone without root and here's what I've discovered a month later:
The first week was the hardest - I forgot just how many of the tweaks I use required root access. This week was a rude awakening for me as I searched endlessly for alternative non-root methods to tweak my device. But almost every search resulted in either no results, or methods that simply didn't work. The toughest part was being re-introduced to that annoying Mobile Radio Active bug the still plagues Lollipop builds and not being able to fix it using the well-known root method.
After going through the 5 stages of grief, I finally accepted that there was only so much I could do with my device without root access and became at piece with my new root-less lifestyle. I noticed that my device felt just a bit more responsive without 30 Xposed modules installed. It was also somewhat freeing to know that I didn't have to keep trolling the xda forums every day to see if there was a new mod that someone developed that I could try. I've also been introduced to a number of apps in the Play Store that I otherwise would have overlooked. Since I can't tweak any of the system files of my phone, I have compensated by downloading new launchers, icon packs, and widgets to help satisfy my cravings to tweak.
Now that a month has passed, I think I'm willing to continue without root a little while longer. I do miss my xloud speaker mod, my camera mod, my system UI mods, and my brighter flashlight mod. But I've managed to survive just fine without them so far. Unfortunately though, the main reason for not rooting my device this time around (Android Pay) is the one feature I haven't used once since I got my phone repaired! The only times I really spend money is either at the local grocery store (they only accept physical cards), or at the gas pump (same thing). I don't frequent places such as walgreens, mcdonalds, or Panera Bread enough to take advantage of Android Pay as much as I originally hoped. It kinda sucks to finally have access to such an easy way to pay (chip cards SUCK) and not actually use it. lol
So there you have it, my story of being without root. Could you do it? Have you tried it?
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Approximately one month ago, I sent my phone in to Sony for repair service. The top speaker was not functioning properly. They fixed the speaker, but also updated my phone to Lollipop which caused me to lose root access. I've been rooting my phones since I first discovered it in 2010. I originally planned to immediately re-root my phone, but remembered that I can finally have access to Android Pay by keeping the device as-is. So, I decided to keep the phone without root and here's what I've discovered a month later:
The first week was the hardest - I forgot just how many of the tweaks I use required root access. This week was a rude awakening for me as I searched endlessly for alternative non-root methods to tweak my device. But almost every search resulted in either no results, or methods that simply didn't work. The toughest part was being re-introduced to that annoying Mobile Radio Active bug the still plagues Lollipop builds and not being able to fix it using the well-known root method.
After going through the 5 stages of grief, I finally accepted that there was only so much I could do with my device without root access and became at piece with my new root-less lifestyle. I noticed that my device felt just a bit more responsive without 30 Xposed modules installed. It was also somewhat freeing to know that I didn't have to keep trolling the xda forums every day to see if there was a new mod that someone developed that I could try. I've also been introduced to a number of apps in the Play Store that I otherwise would have overlooked. Since I can't tweak any of the system files of my phone, I have compensated by downloading new launchers, icon packs, and widgets to help satisfy my cravings to tweak.
Now that a month has passed, I think I'm willing to continue without root a little while longer. I do miss my xloud speaker mod, my camera mod, my system UI mods, and my brighter flashlight mod. But I've managed to survive just fine without them so far. Unfortunately though, the main reason for not rooting my device this time around (Android Pay) is the one feature I haven't used once since I got my phone repaired! The only times I really spend money is either at the local grocery store (they only accept physical cards), or at the gas pump (same thing). I don't frequent places such as walgreens, mcdonalds, or Panera Bread enough to take advantage of Android Pay as much as I originally hoped. It kinda sucks to finally have access to such an easy way to pay (chip cards SUCK) and not actually use it. lol
So there you have it, my story of being without root. Could you do it? Have you tried it?
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Did you allready sign up with the AR?
I for myself could not life without root, cause all the bloating stuff would made me crazy. I want my rom as small as possible. Once I've found a very good and stable Rom I just went cold turkey from XDA, and coming only back when there's a major update. Then the whole process of finding the best rom (install, reflash, bootloops, flashing, bootloops, flashing etc begins again. But when there is the final small rom working like a charm I dissapear again...
I love Sony's design, but thinking of getting me a Nexus when I'm upgrading for a new phone next year. Allways first new updates, little bloatweare and easy to root etc.
I can't imagine my Z3C without root, stock UI and everything is so simple without the Xposed mods and all the other tweaks
Been running without root since I joined the original concept and the only thing I miss is the ability to add reboot and use titanium backup
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this is my first smarthphone that I dont root. Before I had a Xperia S and a Xperia T2 Ultra. My Z3C has been running really good, so I dont feel the need to root it
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this is my first smarthphone that I dont root. Before I had a Xperia S and a Xperia T2 Ultra. My Z3C has been running really good, so I dont feel the need to root it
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Same here, I had Galaxy S II and Nexus 4 before Z3c. I had to root both phones and play with custom kernels to get better battery life and fix problems that manufacturers didn't. Z3c just works.
I can't use my phones without root because of one reason: skip music tracks with volume buttons. This is the most important module functionality for me.
Adaway is the only reason I root
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Adaway is the only reason I root
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In app adds don't bother me that much. They're usually just a small, unobtrusive banner at the bottom of the screen. However, browser based add (especially on mobile sites) are the worst! They make the webpage take 2-3 times as long to load and sometimes, the adds consume the entire screen. Fortunately, AdBlock browser has been a great non-root solution for me.
Guys, try NoChromo browser, it removes all ads from the web pages. You can get it here on XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-nochromo-wild-browser-appears-t3130776
It is just like normal Chrome browser but without annoying ads.
I've used my phone without root since Marshmallow Concept, then updated to official Marshmallow and the only thing I missed from rooting was Adaway and Xposed with GravityBox (to modify the timeout of annoying heads up notifications).
I was only waiting for a custom MM rom to appear for Z3C, that's why I remained totally stock, now I'm happy with SliMM
This is extremely subjective. I can't live without root, it would consume me little by little from the inside. Not being fully satisfied by the experience provided by my phone would definitely sadden me day by day until the point I would get a different one. It's very known that most human minds do have a tendency to accept the unacceptable after a while though. Personally Android Pay is not a feature I would exchange for 30 other features/customizations offered by root access.
bottomline: I'm not a tiny bit eager to go back to an experience without root access simply because it is too good to be taken away from me.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Using the hosts file to block ads is so effective and clean.
I think xposed doesnt ruin battery life at all. Btw, the reason i root is Titanium and adaway.. i often change my phone, so Titanium is a lifesaver!
I was on the Concept program and lived without root for some months, the first time in many years I had done so.
However now that official MM is out and is rootable, I've ditched concept and made my own pre-rooted version of MM. The ability to tweak system processes and remove bloatware/unwanted system apps is a must for me!
I was without root during Marshmallow Concept (4 months about), with benefit to get monthly updates...
Since I came back to beta I decided to root again for the following reasons:
- Adaway application first !!!!
- Never lose data with full backups of applications
- Viper4Android sound mod
***Update***
Well, it's been approximately 3 months since I've opted NOT to root my device and I must say that I'm starting to crave that rooted goodness once again. Here's what I miss most:
- Increased speaker volume
- Increased flashlight brightness
- Hardware shortcut to turn on flashlight
- General system UI tweaks
But, I'm trying to stay strong and stay stock as long as possible. Despite the rare usage of Android Pay, I do enjoy how much safer it is vs swiping a physical card, and its a heck of a lot faster than inserting those stupid chip cards. WIsh me luck.
I buy z3c yesterday i came from Nexus 5 . My z3c 5803 has mm official . A guide update to all in One root recovery ?
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You can increase the flash brightness? Is that even possible? How?
Lazer72 said:
You can increase the flash brightness? Is that even possible? How?
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The device has to be rooted and you simply edit the build.prop files. There is a thread in the cross-device development section that walks you through it.
Hello all. I haven't poked or prodded, or gone "under the hood" since I picked up the Nexus 6P at launch. I started to have problems with battery life when the Nougat betas started rolling out. So I jumped to the OnePlus 3T. Things are better, but I still miss the actual Google experience. I'm curious if it would be possible to mod the 6P to give me all the things I want. Below is my list. Let me know if it's possible, please, and I'll try to figure it out on my own. A lot has changed since my Nexus 5...
First, I'd like to modify the build prop to where I can get access to the pixel launcher directly from the play store. I know this is easy, but I'm not sure if it will work with the other wishes.
Second, I'd like to be able to run with Franco's kernel. I think this would greatly help my battery life issues.
I'd like to be able to keep Android pay, as I see it as a huge security benefit (plus, I'm trying to get down to just my phone and keys, no wallet).
Lastly, if possible, I'd like to relock the bootloader. I know this one isn't very likely, but like I said, it's a wish list of sorts.
Any and all advice is appreciated!
Based on your needs, sound like keeping your phone running on stock unrooted is the best idea. You can just install the pixel launcher from apkmirror.
Magisk is able to hide root and let you retain the ability to use Android pay, for now. In the future, it may not be able to and you would need to be on stock for it the work. You'll get updates without the headache of having to use a computer or flash different recoveries just to update.
In terms of battery, a 3450mah battery in a nonbloated phone should be yielding you good battery life. If not, check for a rogue app.
Rooting and modding isn't the same as it was in '09, it's gotten to the point where it's just more of a hassle and headache just to get it running as it should/properly. Android has gone a long way in terms of security measures which is a huge plus but it also hurts the modding ability at the same time.
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You would need to be rooted to use a custom kernel and you can't have a locked bootloader and be rooted on the 6P. If you want to use Android Pay on a rooted phone Magidisc and PhilsSU are the only options that I know of. You will get better battery life with Franco's kernel but it will never be great on this phone. Can't the one plus 3 be modded to give you a more Google experience? I read that the developer activity was very active with that phone.
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You would need to be rooted to use a custom kernel and you can't have a locked bootloader and be rooted on the 6P. If you want to use Android Pay on a rooted phone Magidisc and PhilsSU are the only options that I know of. You will get better battery life with Franco's kernel but it will never be great on this phone. Can't the one plus 3 be modded to give you a more Google experience? I read that the developer activity was very active with that phone.
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Totally derped on the custom kernel requiring root. The 3T does have a pretty deep community, but there's a little bit of a disconnect between the 3 and 3T. Another big thing for me is the touch latency. I swipe to type on the Gboard, and I'm always having to manually type words, because the 3T can't keep up. Never had the issue with the 6P though. Thanks for the advice on the 6P though. Might make it a weekend project, before switching my DD.
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Totally derped on the custom kernel requiring root. The 3T does have a pretty deep community, but there's a little bit of a disconnect between the 3 and 3T. Another big thing for me is the touch latency. I swipe to type on the Gboard, and I'm always having to manually type words, because the 3T can't keep up. Never had the issue with the 6P though. Thanks for the advice on the 6P though. Might make it a weekend project, before switching my DD.
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That's interesting. I thought the 3T was supposed to be a pretty fast phone. I'm in the market for something to replace my 6p since it probably won't last too far past the end of the warranty. It sounds like the 3T isn't it.
jhs39 said:
That's interesting. I thought the 3T was supposed to be a pretty fast phone. I'm in the market for something to replace my 6p since it probably won't last too far past the end of the warranty. It sounds like the 3T isn't it.
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Oh, it's definitely a fast phone! Screen latency just isn't up to Nexus level. It's a great phone, no question. I would just like to jump back to "pure" Android sometimes. 3T, IMO, no better phone, for the value. Very customizable for sure, and solid as a rock (yay for 6GB of RAM!). Just feels slightly different from where I've made my home, since the Galaxy Nexus. The updates are even getting regular, to where you shouldn't worry about being left behind. I just miss carrying a little piece of Google with me from time to time.
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
No reason IMO. I think people do it for different ROMs, Adblocker, Titanium Backup.
You don't need root if you have to ask why.
I never rooted for extra performance, I root for total control over the device I just spend a lot of money on. And I like to theme stuff deep into the system.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
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Nandroid backup and titanium backup for the apps.
Privacy issues: firewalls Afwall, xprivacy, etc.
Customization: Gravitybox, etc.
Ad control: minminguard, and others.
I could go on.
Otherwise, why not just get an iPhone?
But, if you are happy, no need to root.
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No reason IMO. I think people do it for different ROMs, Adblocker, Titanium Backup.
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Seconded, I rooted to have TB and Ad block. Maybe in the future I'll mess around with a custom ROM but for now stock gives me everything I need.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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There are hundreds, maybe thousands of reasons to root a device. I have quite a few apps which I like, plus customizable options which only exist on custom ROMs.
However all that is meaningless, the only question you need to ask is why would you root? What Is it you need which you can't have unrooted?
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I use it for
Adaway
BetterBatteryStats
CF.lumen as I find it works way better than the built in night mode
Kernel Manager
Force Doze
Greenify
Pairs to backup and restore WiFi and Bluetooth settings
Tasker
And most significantly, TitaniumBackup!
There are plenty of reasons.
Custom kernels can bring awesome features, even better stability and amazing battery life.
Custom roms bring you all the customization you ever wanted
Custom apps like Viper4A bring awesome sound to your ears, titanium backup backups everything you ever want, Greenify gives you better battery life than you can imagine.
Truth is, you decide why you want to root.
I will admit though, I didn't think I was going to need to root the OP5, it is really good stock, but I'm glad I did root. I am able to pull >48 hours on one battery with >9 hours SOT thanks to some root apps and features.
Battery life is excellent for me as of now. M.
Maybe I will root it... But after sometime
The only reason need titanium backup is if I switch roms.. And without root I won't switch roms so no need for titanium backup...
Need to block ads though...
Maybe I'll just let a rooted stock do wonders for me...
I have seen once I change stock...switching from one rom to another becomes a temptation and then the phone rarely remains a phone.... I start feeling like a developer and keep on flashing roms...
Not on this device... I don't want to set up this device again and again with every new rom... Lets see.. Till how long can I resist!
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Depends on the user. Im not rooted but would do it to:
Use Viper4Android
Try out custom ROMs
Use mods like enableing front speaker playback for stereo sound
etc...
There are reasons, the question is do you need it.
I haven't rooted yet but I am going to.
- adblocker
- Titanium backup
- Viper4Android
- custom ROMs for customization
I had a Samsung device till recently and was using custom ROMs cause I hated how TouchWiz looks.
Now, stock OP5 might look similar to what I had but I still feel crippled.
I have to say though that the advantages of root don't make it a must have. I am using it stock cause I'm on holiday right now and could use it like this. It's definitely better than stock Samsung
I've never rooted for performance. I always root for extra customization options.
The root apps and options I'm using now are:
Substratum/ozone for middle clock and am/pm and a few other small ui tweaks.
Button backlight controller so the backlight on the buttons stay on while the screen is on. I mean by default, the LEDs are useless because they come on only after you press them. The point of the LED is to help you find them. So wtf.
Adblock, because a lot of sites can't even be viewed on mobile that have full screen ads or ads that cover content.
Stereo Speaker mod is pretty sweet. That's the main thing I miss from my Nexus 6p.
And I will definitely be switching to a rom as soon as they are stable enough. Things that OOS did right, they only kinda did right. Sure, they have a circle battery, great job. But you can't put the percent inside of it? No hold back button to kill a misbehaving app? Really?
I have to root. Don't know why, but i have to.
Actually I do it for adblocking, viper, and custom ROMs. So far, with the crazy battery life I am getting.... I am sticking with rooted, stock ROM and kernel.
And for those who don't root and still want adblocking: try fdroid with DNS66
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As been said before: my main reason for rooting is backup (TiBu) ! Its actually the only reason left that I could not replace by other means.
Other reasons are: ad blocking (but there are rootless solutions that do ok), customization (but could live without if need be) and debloating (also with TiBu plus MyAndroidTools) for improved battery life.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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For me, the main reason is Titanium. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean that no one does. Root can do a lot. I use greenify, have that battery monitor app, etc. All use root.
I've rooted every android device I've ever owned prior to the OP5 first and foremost because I'm a bit of a tech nerd so naturally I like tinkering with electronics. I was able to add a bunch of useful features and enhancements through exploring root. But with the OP5, only thing I see that I would need root for is a proper ad blocking solution.
Bottom line is that most devices now a days work fine for daily use out of the box but everyone has individual reasons why they root. Same justification as to why some of us modify our cars. They drive fine in stock trim, but some of us want to make it our own.
invinciblecc said:
Honestly guys
Give me one good reason for wanting to do this hey I cannot think of one
I have owned a lot of phones previously first of all
The souled best I have owned a Samsung Galaxy S2
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and the only reason I had to do root those phojes
Not enough ram for multitasking purposes
Had to root so that more apps can stay in memory.
With an is as light as this....
Dont really have a need to debloat
Dont use titanium backup much
Only one reason i can think of adblocking
Thinking about it now
The reason why we had to root phones was to squeeze more performance out of them..
And my general experience is rooting though helps
It doesn't lead to an idea phone state where everything works.
Some small bugs around the edges are left which can be as annoying as you want then to be...
So anyone here who can give me better reasons for wanting to root this device
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Totally agreeing with you. There isn't much of a need to root the phone, but I still root mine for the hell of it. Haven't done anything yet that requires root though. Still, it's nice having the option there.
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Maybe I'll just let a rooted stock do wonders for me...
I have seen once I change stock...switching from one rom to another becomes a temptation and then the phone rarely remains a phone.... I start feeling like a developer and keep on flashing roms...
Not on this device... I don't want to set up this device again and again with every new rom... Lets see.. Till how long can I resist!
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Actually a really good point, I too often end up rooting, checking out some roms, want more customisation and all of a sudden I've flashed my device 17 times over and spent more time setting the same stuff up over and over. It's that elusive "I just need this one more tweak sh*t to make my phone perfect"....when there's no such thing as a perfect device