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Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
I watched some video reviews as well and found out that these devices are pretty much equal in everyday performance. (opening apps and websites with maybe 1 second difference at most) The Nexus 4 stuck out a bit because unlike the S4 and S3 almost had no stuttering or dropped frames in the UI while even the S4 had a few.
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
Also I heard about the Snapdragon 800 and Nvidia Tegra 4 (maybe even the Exynos Dualcore of the Nexus 10 which is supposed to be released as Quadcore soon?) which are basically the next big thing when it comes to processors. I thought the S4 would make a HUGE jump (and the octacore version actually does) but it didn't. Now I wonder whether i should wait for the next generation of processors/smartphones. (I don't want to wait longer than Q4 2013)
I would appreciate your help a lot!
schnip said:
Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
schnip said:
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
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Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
pedrohz said:
Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
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Thank you for the informative post
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
schnip said:
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
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actually i dont disregard it. for me the screen is one of the few improvements that really have a noticeable effect on everyday performance. unfortunately it comes at a great cost when comparing 300€(S3) to 600€(S4). I think the S3 is far more worth than only 1/2 of an S4
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Ok thanks for the advice!
Edit: " get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos)"
As far as my research goes:
The exynos is the quadcore version whereas the snapdragon version of the S3 is dual core.
The quadcore version usually does not have 2GB ram but i found some spec sheets that had Quadcore + 2GB RAM (LTE version)
Id say better have quadcore instead of dualcore and 2GB ram right?
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Unfortunately i cant get the 2GB version with dualcore in Germany.
I can order
Exynos Quad 2GB RAM LTE and
Exynos Quad 1GB RAM no-LTE
I dont really need LTE but is the 1 GB of extra RAM worth the 50€? (apprx 65$)
schnip said:
basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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schnip said:
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
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Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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schnip said:
thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
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You asked to be corrected on your statements in the OP and that's what I did. Either you misued the comparison symbols or you thought both the S3 and N4 do benchmarks better than the S4.
I did what you asked people to do and an insult is what I get in return?
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Ok
I've been debating with my self whether or not I should jump in and buy the note 10.1 2014 edition, but in my fact finding efforts certain questions arose ( with a lot of confusion)
1 Will HMP be available to the Exynos 5420 ? I keep finding information that goes both ways...yes...no...maybe
2 Does a root solution exist ( or is in works) that won't void warranty? (knox issues??)
3 Snapdragon or Exynos ( this brings me back to the HMP question!! IF HMP = yes well then Exynos, but...if not...?)
4 Any drawbacks when compared to comparable gen tablets? Lack of features, performance issues , instability etc?
I'm not doubting whether or not I want a pen enabled tablet, but with the new Nvidia pen enabled tablets in the works, samsung is losing it's unique position.
Now I know there are tons of posts all over the place that in essence answer a lot of the same points, but many of the threads go a bit back and forth and often misinformed on key issues...
Like Developer support for and against the Exynos vs Snapdragon etc And HMP support?
Now there is a small ticking clock attached to these questions, I've been offered a 17.5 % discount on the note ( LTE or wifi edition , my choice) But it expires on wednesday (30.okt)
Thanks in advance!!!
Cheers lads!
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
mi7chy said:
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
DeBoX said:
But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Yeah l heard that snapdragon is 20 + % faster gpu. So there's that
But I can't help wonder how HMP (if it's going to be available to the note) would impact the performance of both gpu and cpu (I know that I'm a bit of a broken record)
Didn't know about the root, good to know, but there isn't one ready for the note yet...?
Anyone done a battery comparison between the two SoC ?
Anyone found articles on HMP and note? Looking for solid proof
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
DeBoX said:
Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
VaggD said:
As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
DeBoX said:
8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
VaggD said:
Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
DeBoX said:
I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
VaggD said:
No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
DeBoX said:
That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
VaggD said:
Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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If I've understood it properly, the OS takes about 4-5 gigs ( note that's the OS and the apps that come with it etc) , so in essence you should have something like 10-12 gig of user available space.
I'de say go for the 32 gig variant.
Yes, you can always add micro SD cards etc, but most apps still don't like moving to ext storage, and in most cases they don't move all of the content but just part of it.
I won't be gaming a lot, but a few games that I do like , GTA 3 and GTA vice city er about 2 gig each ( give or take) so there goes the space, some documents here and there, and apps, and so on and so on...
Anyone know of any difference in lag between the Snapdragon and Exynos versions?
Hey guys finally the day has come when i will upgrade to a new smartphone and luckily as i am not short on budget i have decided to buy Galaxy Note 3 which i think is the best Android smartphone nowadays......the problem is that in my country both versions are available and i am not sure which version is better so thought what place would be better than XDA to ask this question......i hope you guys will help me in taking the right decision.
Btw N9000($605) is about 30 usd cheaper than N9005($635) which though doesn't matter but i thought i should share this as well with you guys.
(Both are 32 gb variants)
Regards..!!!
Just watch the N9005, trick little prick if the service provider you're using is on bands 7/17, however the 9005 is a little better hardware wise! I personally don't think you'll noticed the difference!
Go 9005.
Firstly, Exynos only excels more in graphics department and its barely any better then what Snapdragon offers. Also the SD model is more widely available & the carrier choice due to FDD-LTE, Which means better longterm rom support between the two models.
N900 has 2.66 GB of total RAM
N9005 has 2.38 GB of total RAM
vndnguyen said:
N900 has 2.66 GB of total RAM
N9005 has 2.38 GB of total RAM
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Why does the N9005 has less free RAM?
SK_007 said:
Why does the N9005 has less free RAM?
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Honestly I dont know. I just notice the difference between 2 models.
vndnguyen said:
N900 has 2.66 GB of total RAM
N9005 has 2.38 GB of total RAM
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vndnguyen said:
Honestly I dont know. I just notice the difference between 2 models.
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I see but thanks anyway i wasn't aware of this!
But can the N900 read base that At&t run for their LTE?
PatienceWithin said:
But can the N900 read base that At&t run for their LTE?
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n900 exynos doesn't support 4g LTE, hardware issue.
dont worry about the ram difference....they both have 3GB...its how each of the 2 versions reserves certain amounts for the gpu & other systems processes....(not sure of the EXACT things that do this....but i read it here in xda while deciding on the note 3 version myself).... but in my opinion i would suggest you go for the n9005....its a little better in terms of performance...as far as battery is concerned the snapdragon is better as my cousin owns a octa version & mine does considerably better....it has LTE & it has 4k video recording & playback support...something the octa version doesnt....so that means the n9005 is a bit more futureproof than the 9000 PLUS the n9005 has a more active developer support....
N900 is Exynos Variant which means the processor is developed by Samsung. The N9005 is Snapdragon Variant which means the processor is developed by Qualcomm. Overall I would prefer the Snapdragon 800 Variant as performance is much more excellent than Samsung's own Exynos.
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linx1287 said:
dont worry about the ram difference....they both have 3GB...its how each of the 2 versions reserves certain amounts for the gpu & other systems processes....(not sure of the EXACT things that do this....but i read it here in xda while deciding on the note 3 version myself).... but in my opinion i would suggest you go for the n9005....its a little better in terms of performance...as far as battery is concerned the snapdragon is better as my cousin owns a octa version & mine does considerably better....it has LTE & it has 4k video recording & playback support...something the octa version doesnt....so that means the n9005 is a bit more futureproof than the 9000 PLUS the n9005 has a more active developer support....
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The last line can be a deal breaker in favor of N9005 as it would be very difficult for me to go for the variant which has considerably less developer support.......so as of now i am leaning towards N9005!
Btw i read somewhere that Samsung might release a patch which will enable all the 8 cores on N9000......is this true can anyone please confirm this?
Most Exynos users including me are suffering from poor battery life. N9005 users seem to enjoy 9 hours of screen on time, while me and some other N900 users get 4-5 hours maximum. So I'd say go with N9005.
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Most Exynos users including me are suffering from poor battery life. N9005 users seem to enjoy 9 hours of screen on time, while me and some other N900 users get 4-5 hours maximum. So I'd say go with N9005.
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And i thought that due to those 4 power saving A7 cores N9000 will have the better battery life lol...........thanks mate for telling me about battery life coz this is one of the primary things which i look for when choosing a smartphone..!!!
On my personal usage I had both snapdragon and exynos and eventually end up with keeping exynos for myself and gave snapdragon to my sis as exynos felt a bit snappier overall to me but in few games snapdragon had a slight advantage but the exynos was no less in some games exynos was better, and yes battery sucks with latest firmware update was excellent before so you can expect battery to be fixed with updates and if you have LTE in your country go with snapdragon, exynos makes no sense if you got LTE in your region and better development also goes to snapdragon, also today Samsung might announce something about their exynos processor @Ces and my guess is they will release the hmp which enables all 8 cores, though nothing sure keep an eye, so decide what you need, but in terms of performance pick either of them you wouldn't regret
sorry but the HMP patch to run all 8cores have been scraped a while back...so performance wise snapdragon is better...plus i have 2 exynos variants of samsung products at home...an s4 octa & a note 3 octa....dont know the reason why...but they started to bog down after a few weeks of usage....there arent many apps installed on either device, both rooted by me & debloated & running almost the same setup as my n9005...but mine is still as snappy as it was the day i got it :/ ....the current 5410 & 20 were experiments if you ask me.... i'd say the n9005 is the nobrainer choice when buying note 3
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I'm surprised No one's mentioned how hot the snapdragon version gets under stress! I've never had a handheld device get so hot! No exaggeration, I sometimes worry if I should stop what im doing to allow the phone to cool. My friends exynos note 2 doesnt even get warm. I can attest to the battery life, atm I get 10hrs screen on time which includes reading rss feeds, music and light to medium web browsing. I was always under the impression the exynos version was better on battery, but some users seem to suggest otherwise. I bought the n9005 instead of n9000 because: 1. It was cheaper in my region.
2. To use LTE.
I dont regret buying the snapdragon version, but the performance difference between the two is negligible and the heat
issue really bothers me, so i must vote for the exynos, providing that the battery life isnt noticeably worse.
oh one more thing.. 3g+ is still quite fast and 4g lte is a battery hog, though the speeds are impressive.
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sorry but the HMP patch to run all 8cores have been scraped a while back...so performance wise snapdragon is better...plus i have 2 exynos variants of samsung products at home...an s4 octa & a note 3 octa....dont know the reason why...but they started to bog down after a few weeks of usage....there arent many apps installed on either device, both rooted by me & debloated & running almost the same setup as my n9005...but mine is still as snappy as it was the day i got it :/ ....the current 5410 & 20 were experiments if you ask me.... i'd say the n9005 is the nobrainer choice when buying note 3
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Go and have a [email protected] on Twitter, and you'll find something as #UnlockExynos which as assumed can be related to HMP, also if there's no HMP I wouldn't really care, I find the 5420 still great, and yeah galaxy s4 5410 that was a serious fail, I threw it out in 2 days of usage coz that 5410 processor was such a bullshi* but that isn't the case with 5420 but still it's own preference and way to think which is good or bad.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_and_note_3_wont_get_true_octacore_update-news-6908.php there mate....that unlockexynos thing that you speak of is probably the processor teaser for S5 which could be 64bit processor.....& S4 octa processor is the absolute pits.....the note 3's octa is a slight improvement...but i would still say the snapdragon is a better overall package....& thus a slightly better choice
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I'm surprised No one's mentioned how hot the snapdragon version gets under stress! I've never had a handheld device get so hot! No exaggeration, I sometimes worry if I should stop what im doing to allow the phone to cool. My friends exynos note 2 doesnt even get warm. I can attest to the battery life, atm I get 10hrs screen on time which includes reading rss feeds, music and light to medium web browsing. I was always under the impression the exynos version was better on battery, but some users seem to suggest otherwise. I bought the n9005 instead of n9000 because: 1. It was cheaper in my region.
2. To use LTE.
I dont regret buying the snapdragon version, but the performance difference between the two is negligible and the heat
issue really bothers me, so i must vote for the exynos, providing that the battery life isnt noticeably worse.
oh one more thing.. 3g+ is still quite fast and 4g lte is a battery hog, though the speeds are impressive.
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sorry mate...but you may have gotten a faulty unit...as my snapdragon barely ever gets hot.....i played real racing 3, gt racing 2 & asphalt 8 nonstop with 100% battery until i drained it to 0% & the phone barely got warm....& as for battery life.....the snapdragon is quite a bit ahead of the exynos...i have 1 in the house so i can tell....also the performance difference may be negligible but its still visible...atleast to me
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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Mandeep148 said:
As always Snapdragon version never available in India officially. Only octa is available.
Is octa one not good enough than snapdragon ? Is that waste of money to buy?
Please share your views.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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No.
It outperforms Snapdragon in benchmarks CPU-wise. In GPU, Adreno has more raw speed than Mali though.
It also comes with a higher Linux kernel version for all that it matters, it implements global task scheduling which in theory is better compared to hotplug that is used for Krait. The big.LITTLE architecture isn't a bad idea but the S4 Exynos that showcased it had it wrong... it was not fully functional thanks to a hardware issue.
Battery is in the same ballpark. I get 6-7 hrs of screen on time.
You miss a better modem-SoC integration since the Intel modem in the G900H uses more power compared to the Qcom.
There are only 4 disadvantages vs the Snapdragon:
- Lower GPU performance in benchmarks, in game it's not perceptible.
- More power consumption from modem it seems, blame Intel. It hasn't been a problem for me so far and I call a lot - the battery is good enough.
- No LTE. Major point for anyone living in LTE-enabled countries.
- No custom ROM/Kernel development yet. Thanks to Samsung's previous behavior they alienated devs for Exynos SoCs... don't bet on getting a custom ROM or kernel anytime soon.
Beware of people telling you that Snapdragon is better just because Exynos doesn't has LTE, in most part they both have their strong points and weak points.
Snapdragon is a more proven, supported chipset. Exynos is more bleeding edge but much less supported. It doesn't helps that it's Samsung-only and it's region limited.
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thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
Mandeep148 said:
thanx for useful info bro,
so it have lower GPU score, is that also can differentiate or noticeable in UI side, i mean i am going to buy s5 only because of software and its RICH Genius features, i dont feel much about its design, and its expensive, i just want lag free device, i know some times lags are common in android, but thats fiar, due to exynos i will feel lag than snap ?
i hope you understand.
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In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
drakester09 said:
In theory the Exynos variant does not have hotplug lag, it should have been smoother just from that.
The GPU is powerful enough to render the UI with zero problems, the only places where you'll see a difference is in games with OpenGL ES 3.0, it's not noticeable though. Despite the GPU being slightly slower I get 38,000+ in Antutu constantly (it uses ES 2.0 for the graphics test).
In practice, well, it's Touchwiz, it lags... :laugh: it's something you end up accepting because of the extra features and benefits that the software gives you. Coming from a Nexus 5 it's very obvious that there are parts where the software is unoptimized and it shouldn't lag at all... but it does.
Touchwiz is just heavier than stock, it's not the most optimized software in the world and no scripts will remedy that (we would need smali or xposed edits...).
I'd recommend you to visit a carrier store or somewhere that has a device where you can test games or benchmarks and see it.
And if you *really* need a lagless device, get anything that doesn't has Touchwiz... Nexus 5 is extremely smooth.
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ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
Mandeep148 said:
ah you really helped me. :good: and sorry for disturbing, actually i like samsung touchwiz, yea nexus 5 is wow phone in terms of UI smoothness and good stocky framework works well. but in samsung i like crowdyness and colourfull and nature, i never get bor
i hope exynos s5 will not disappoint me
thanks again bro ..
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If you have used a Samsung phone in the past you will be accustomed to the lag and you'll enjoy the much improved Touchwiz.
I really hated it on the S3/N2, slightly disliked it on the S4/N3 but ended up liking the S5 version
Battery life and camera are really good.
Performance wise no games should lag or be a problem (only Xcom has managed to drop frames but it's the most demanding game right now).
Hope you enjoy your phone.
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First i bought the H version of the device. Was not happy with the lack of support from devs. Now i own the F version, and already have the wide range of custom FW available. So if you are the flashing geek, than definitely stick to the Snap device
Hai guys,
I want to buy Samsung GALAXY Note 3. Im coming from S3 (with Exynos processor). I want to know which version is better? Exynos or Snapdragon? Samsung sellers say that Exynos is much better than Snapdragon, but from all other medias, such as internet and youtube, say Snapdragon is better. So im confused.. Please tell me the truth. Hope you will help me...
Thanks
Snapdragon
Buy the snapdragon one .
If u love custom roms and rooting stuff which I think you love ......
Otherwise you would be well off with either of them..
Ayushsinghal said:
Buy the snapdragon one .
If u love custom roms and rooting stuff which I think you love ......
Otherwise you would be well off with either of them..
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Thanks mate. How about the performance? Incase of laggy, or something like problems..?
Haven't had a Exynos device, but never had a problem with Snapdragon. Awesome processors.
HTC Fireball, Unlocked, S-OFF, CM11, Android 4.4.4 KitKat
Vishnu pv said:
Thanks mate. How about the performance? Incase of laggy, or something like problems..?
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Performance is smooth. Apps load up quick... Ram usage about 1.7 GB out of 2.3 GB even in the heavy load scenario..... Even the mighty touchwiz can't slow it down ....
Personally I have the Exynos one and I am crying because it has no custom rom...:crying:
What i've read, does Snapdragon version have some fast charging that Exynos doesn't, so you'll charge your phone a lot faster? At least my Snapdragon device really charges very fast with stock charger. Also what i've seen, Exynos development is much slower than Snapdragon on Sammy's phones / tablets.
And again, what I have read from the web, Exynos devices have had problems that Snapdragon doesnt, just can't name any of them. Lol.
[OT] Same thing with Note Pro 12.2 (which is basically Note 3 but bigger in size, or is it?). Snapdragon owners have had no problems while Exynos owners have some kind of BSOD, heating problems, screen problems and lags while gaming. [/OT]
So I'll never buy an Exynos one, but thats just me
Spere said:
What i've read, does Snapdragon version have some fast charging that Exynos doesn't, so you'll charge your phone a lot faster? At least my Snapdragon device really charges very fast with stock charger. Also what i've seen, Exynos development is much slower than Snapdragon on Sammy's phones / tablets.
And again, what I have read from the web, Exynos devices have had problems that Snapdragon doesnt, just can't name any of them. Lol.
[OT] Same thing with Note Pro 12.2 (which is basically Note 3 but bigger in size, or is it?). Snapdragon owners have had no problems while Exynos owners have some kind of BSOD, heating problems, screen problems and lags while gaming. [/OT]
So I'll never buy an Exynos one, but thats just me
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Ayushsinghal said:
Performance is smooth. Apps load up quick... Ram usage about 1.7 GB out of 2.3 GB even in the heavy load scenario..... Even the mighty touchwiz can't slow it down ....
Personally I have the Exynos one and I am crying because it has no custom rom...:crying:
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Burt Macklin said:
Haven't had a Exynos device, but never had a problem with Snapdragon. Awesome processors.
HTC Fireball, Unlocked, S-OFF, CM11, Android 4.4.4 KitKat
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Ayushsinghal said:
Buy the snapdragon one .
If u love custom roms and rooting stuff which I think you love ......
Otherwise you would be well off with either of them..
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Thank you guys. From all of your reviews, I'm deciding to buy a Snapdragon one