I've asked Mad Catz but not had a reply. I'm looking for some info before I buy.
The MOJO is meant to be a 4K console, however I'm struggling to find any more info about this, does it do actual 4K or does it do like most cheap Android TV hardware and downscale 4K to 1080P internally before upscaling at 4k?
Can it play 4k HEVC (h.265) at 60fps? (the UHD standard)
Does it have HDMI 2.0?
cheers for any advice.
mmace said:
I've asked Mad Catz but not had a reply. I'm looking for some info before I buy.
The MOJO is meant to be a 4K console, however I'm struggling to find any more info about this, does it do actual 4K or does it do like most cheap Android TV hardware and downscale 4K to 1080P internally before upscaling at 4k?
Can it play 4k HEVC (h.265) at 60fps? (the UHD standard)
Does it have HDMI 2.0?
cheers for any advice.
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Hi,
Sorry, I don't have a 4k tv to tell you.
Why would any device (cheap or expensive) downscale from 4k and upscaling it back to 4k? doesn't sound right to me.
Do you mean just upscale 1080P to 4k?
Does it have HDMI 2.0?
I doubt it, as it come out only a month before the mojo's launch date.
But it does support 4k
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI
I know it supports 4k, but that doesn't mean anything, a lot of devices do but all they mean is that they output at 4k (upscale), I need to know if it renders a 4k video at 4k and output it at 4k, if all the mojo can do is output 4k then it plays a 4k video at 1080p as that's all it can handle (downscaling it) then output at 4k, there just seems to be no info and their web page isn't clear at all.
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I know it supports 4k, but that doesn't mean anything, a lot of devices do but all they mean is that they output at 4k (upscale), I need to know if it renders a 4k video at 4k and output it at 4k, if all the mojo can do is output 4k then it plays a 4k video at 1080p as that's all it can handle (downscaling it) then output at 4k, there just seems to be no info and their web page isn't clear at all.
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The page is pretty detailed with tech, It's native support at [email protected] fps, 100% no doubt for me.
http://madcatz.com/4k-coming-to-mojo/
They even give visual proof:
http://madcatz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/TOS1.jpg
"We did some 4K tests at UCSD’s Qualcomm Institute, using their LG 84” 84LM9600.
QI’s Todd Margolis showing Blender’s 4K CGI Demo Video Tears of Steel playing from the M.O.J.O.
Above, QI’s Todd Margolis shows Blender’s 4K CGI Demo Video Tears of Steel playing on M.O.J.O. Download it yourself from here and watch it in 4K. It’s free!
We used the MX Player app which supported .mov, .mp4 and more 4K file types. In our tests, we noticed some dropped frames only when bit-rates got higher than about 70Mbits/s."
You can use the controller as a remote, and it doesn't look fake to me, maybe his grin, lol.
I Imagine if a 1080p was upscaled to 4k it wouldn't look as clear as it does in that image (I can't see any pixelation, can you?) .
I doubt MadCatz would go to the trouble of testing it and make a page like that if it was just upscaled from 1080p.
Try asking on amazon, good luck
Edit, or ask Todd yourself: http://toddmargolis.net/about.php
His twitter, etc are at the bottom.
It does not have hdmi 2.0 so you will be limited to 30 fps.
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Simple question:
Does the transformer support 1080p video output through its mini hdmi port?
if not: what's the max resolution?
720 i believe
according to nvidia tegra 2 supports 1080P output via hdmi
HDMI 1.3 1920x1080
but
LCD 1024x600 (Tegra 230)
1680x1050 (Tegra 250)
CRT 1280x1024 (Tegra 230)
1600x1200 (Tegra 250)
I also have an question, why LCD output can't use the 1080P output
and why are tablets limited in 720P
the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon.
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the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon.
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How do you make it to output 1080p video? When I play video (with default player or mobo player), the video is shown on both screens and it only output 720p to the TV.
junks2010 said:
How do you make it to output 1080p video? When I play video (with default player or mobo player), the video is shown on both screens and it only output 720p to the TV.
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Have you updated to 3.1? Is your video 1080p? Worked out of the box for me after update.
because 1080p playback is far from perfect, i do not test 1080P playback since i updated to 3.1
Tegra 2 chip is a kind of joke.
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Have you updated to 3.1? Is your video 1080p? Worked out of the box for me after update.
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yes, my TF is on 3.1 and my video is 1080p but my TV reports that the TF only output 720p. What video player do you use?
Can't get mine to display on screen
Guys, please help me with this:
I tried to connect my transformer (3.1) to my Panasonic Viera Plasma HDTV using a GTMax High Speed Gold-Plated Mini HDMI to HDMI Cable Version 1.4 (25 feet).
My surprise... it didn't work. My understanding is I just had to plug the cable to transformer and tv and enjoy, but the tv screen does nothing and remains blank.
Is it because the length of the cable? or because of the version of the cable(1.4)? Or maybe I have to adjust the resolution somewhere? Or install an app?
Any suggestions?
Thank you very much!
Wrong thread, but...
mfe018 said:
I tried to connect my transformer (3.1) to my Panasonic Viera Plasma HDTV using a GTMax High Speed Gold-Plated Mini HDMI to HDMI Cable Version 1.4 (25 feet).
My surprise... it didn't work.
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Search...
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126746&highlight=hdmi+output
oh and a bit of http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1082885&highlight=hdmi+panasonic
plus quite a few others. Panasonic TVs seem to have issues
"gottahavit
the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon."
Indeed,
Did you succeed to output 1080p resolution to a Full HD TV/monitor?
Which player?
I only can get 720p to both my Sharp and Sony Full HD (1080p) TVs with a full HD (1080p) mp4 Basic line video test (Film Teaser) with Buzz and Rokplayer.
Please advise....
weikichen said:
Tegra 2 chip is a kind of joke.
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Its one of the best ones out there for tablet unless your going for a full x86/x64 machine. Agree they should have never specified 1080p the tech is currently too slow to do it properly 9/10 times.
Anndy said:
"gottahavit
the tblet will mirror out at 720p,which means you see the same on the tv as on lcd. It will output video from the video play unmirrored at 1080p, which means whne you send the video to tv the video on the tab is blank/
The reason no 1080p mirrored is because the tab display is only 1280x800.
while 1080p does work for video it is far from perfect. Hopefully they will smooth it out soon."
Indeed,
Did you succeed to output 1080p resolution to a Full HD TV/monitor?
Which player?
I only can get 720p to both my Sharp and Sony Full HD (1080p) TVs with a full HD (1080p) mp4 Basic line video test (Film Teaser) with Buzz and Rokplayer.
Please advise....
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i use the stock player. when you play it is it mirrored on your tab? if so then thats a problem. when outputting 1080p it should blank the video area on the tab.
after 3.1 i had no issues getting this to work. perhaps its the handshake with your tv. i have year old 55in samsung lcd that support 24/60 1080p
ewitte said:
Its one of the best ones out there for tablet unless your going for a full x86/x64 machine.
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The worst from the best.
Magnesus said:
The worst from the best.
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Agreed, it has not advantage over competing solutions. GPU is nothing extraordinary, multimedia engine is a joke, standard A9 CPU. Only pure marketing.
Right now OMAP4 is probably the best SoC when it comes to pure power. Snapdragon with it's 1,5Ghz tablet specific SoC will be much faster than T2 both CPU and GPU wise(and it supports 1080p h264 High Profile 3.1), even now 1,2Ghz version has slightly faster GPU than T2.
Exynos would be great too, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any news about official honeycomb for exynos or any kind of tablet coming running on this SoC.
Wishmaster89 said:
Agreed, it has not advantage over competing solutions. GPU is nothing extraordinary, multimedia engine is a joke, standard A9 CPU. Only pure marketing.
Right now OMAP4 is probably the best SoC when it comes to pure power. Snapdragon with it's 1,5Ghz tablet specific SoC will be much faster than T2 both CPU and GPU wise(and it supports 1080p h264 High Profile 3.1), even now 1,2Ghz version has slightly faster GPU than T2.
Exynos would be great too, but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any news about official honeycomb for exynos or any kind of tablet coming running on this SoC.
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Are you guys sure that the poor 1080p h264 high profile performance is due to a hardware limitation and NOT due to poor software implementation ? Because Tegra 2 official spec sheet list 1080p encode and decode capability (though profile is not mentioned), but this article says it is capable of accelerating 1080p High profile.
I thought I read somewhere that part of the limitation at the moment is poor software/driver implementation. But the Tegra 2 isn't lacking for regular processing power. My Transformer outruns my Galaxy S when it comes to running regular apps and browsing, but my phone plays 720p videos smoother and supports more file types/containers/codecs.
That's weird.
When i watch a movie on the TF HD to the TV, my TV reports it as 1080p. My TF screen goes blank.
it's not weird, it's the way it's supposed to be. (read the thread!)
the tf's display doesn't support 1080p so it is switched of.
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it's not weird, it's the way it's supposed to be. (read the thread!)
the tf's display doesn't support 1080p so it is switched of.
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Yes...I saw that. I only was saying that it was weird because so many people were saying that the TF won't do 1080p...and mine does.
,Hi,there.
How do I watch Eee Pad movies on my HDTV? I noticed there marked an HDMI port, does this mean I can watch Eee Pad 1080p HD movies on HDTV via a HDMI cable? How do you guys source HD movies?
The HDMI-Output clones the Image from the eeePad's Display, so yes, you can watch HD-Videos on a HDTV as long as the eeePad is fast enough to decode it.
But I think a high-bitrate-1080p-stream will be a problem for the Tegra2, though...
Rulerole said:
,Hi,there.
How do I watch Eee Pad movies on my HDTV? I noticed there marked an HDMI port, does this mean I can watch Eee Pad 1080p HD movies on HDTV via a HDMI cable? How do you guys source HD movies?
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That’s right. Just connect TF101 with your HDTV via HDMI cable and switch to TV out mode. For 1080p contents you’ll need HDMI 1.3 cable. But I noticed there are stutters and stops when playing 1080p videos with TF101. So suggest you compress 1080p contents to 720p mp4 videos before putting movies to TF101. The pavtube video converter works just fine on this. It doesn’t take long with CUDA acceleration enabled.
The output of the HDMI port is *NOT* 1080p. It is 720p. So there is little sense trying to play 1080p movies, unless you just like throwing away CPU cycles.
nina10 said:
That’s right. Just connect TF101 with your HDTV via HDMI cable and switch to TV out mode. For 1080p contents you’ll need HDMI 1.3 cable. But I noticed there are stutters and stops when playing 1080p videos with TF101. So suggest you compress 1080p contents to 720p mp4 videos before putting movies to TF101. The pavtube video converter works just fine on this. It doesn’t take long with CUDA acceleration enabled.
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Thanks for your advice. And yes, me too encountered some choppy playback issues with 1080p videos. Will give it a shoot. But still I prefer 1080p to 720p video when it plays well.
Rulerole said:
Thanks for your advice. And yes, me too encountered some choppy playback issues with 1080p videos. Will give it a shoot. But still I prefer 1080p to 720p video when it plays well.
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Did you ignore the post above yours? The thing only outputs in 720p so playing 1080p videos is just a waste. There's a huge thread about optimal Handbrake settings for the TF, if it's really a problem you can just transcode to high profile 720p and it should be perfectly smooth.
Even if the Transformer is capable of 1080p output, the video player will downscale 1080p videos to 720p and the HDMI out will upscale it to 1080p, causing loss in quality and sharpness while introducing artifacts. (the HDMI out is done to the entire screen after everything is rendered)
frosty5689 said:
Even if the Transformer is capable of 1080p output, the video player will downscale 1080p videos to 720p and the HDMI out will upscale it to 1080p, causing loss in quality and sharpness while introducing artifacts. (the HDMI out is done to the entire screen after everything is rendered)
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If I recall correctly, if the default player sees HDMI and a 1080p video source, it will stop mirroring and show 1080p on the television.
The output of the HDMI port is *NOT* 1080p. It is 720p. So there is little sense trying to play 1080p movies, unless you just like throwing away CPU cycles.
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...What? That makes no sense. That's not how HDMI works.
Since 3.1 it should output full 1080p resolution when the video is 1080p. Some people confirmed it. I didn't test yet but since 3.1 HDMI output is great.
4k recording is on lte not in 3g.is it true?
if 3g version dosnot have 4k recording then ..there will b patch to record 4k records?let me know
Snap Processor - LTE & 4K recording
Octa Processor - More Ram & 4 Cores but no LTE or 4k
It boils down to processors not 3g
Nope, there will never be any patch. Hardware limitation.
BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.
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BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.
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May be he has. May be does not. Who cares? Let technology spread out. Otherwise we would have stuck with 3GP and low bitrate MP4s.
I totally agree 4k content atm really rare but so did 1080p. Did people sat idle and stuck with 3GP recording in the fear that OMG! 1080p is so huge!!!!!!! I would not buy a 64 GB card for that.
4k is a nice addition. And to your other point-before 1080p displays came out all the 720p display like S3 were able to shoot and playback 1080p. Did anyone question why 1080p on a 720p native display? No.
I have seen two 4k samples and yes I am excited. Specially from the phonearena sample the moving tree leaves looked outstandingly crisp. And if I am the one out of 10 million people who cares about 4k it wont stuck with me forever. With more devices gonna have 4k native [already started to] display and storage like 128 GB 4k will become regular thing. And to be regular stuff like 1080ps or 720ps initiatives like this will naturally occur.
People just cannot keep other people discouraged from a nice tech evolution. If they would succeed people would never move beyond 2 GB memory card and low bitrate 3GP or .rmv video contents and shoot straight out the people who consume ogg music files.
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4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it
i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
have a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXiWGD18N3c
Costco had a 4k TV playing the same movie as a 1080p TV and I could genuinely tell the difference. But unfortunately my wallet is a bit too small to early adopt the 4k TV's right now
I'm as much for future-proofing as anyone else here. But where is 4K content coming from and how's it being delivered? Content upscaled to 4K (EG: HD TV/Movies originally captured in 720/1080P) aren't going to look any better than they would on a 720P/1080P TV or monitor. They’ll most likely look worse. 4K content is huge. All the ISPs are already *****ing about what video's doing to their networks. How long did it take for Blu-Ray to become a standard? And the only Blu-Ray that looked good was what was natively captured in HD not the upscaled crap like 50's I love Lucy episodes. So for 4K to become meaningful content producers need to start capturing in it. That 'aint gonna be happening fast as the only ones that benefit from 4K as it stands are the TV manufacturers and they aren't significant enough in the food chain to drive standards forward. So we'll probably all be on the Note 4 (and more likely the N5) when UHD (4K) gains any real traction. Because traction requires native content.
So would I want 4K in the N3? Sure, who wouldn't want extra "cool" stuff for the same price. Would I ever use it to record anything? No, the files are huge and would have to be downscaled to my 1080P TVs, monitors, and devices making natively captured 1080P look better anyway. Am I going to run out and buy 4K playback devices? Absolutely. As soon as at least 1/3 of the content I playback is available in UHD.
An interesting article...
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57566079-221/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
nabilsweet007 said:
i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
have a look
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Wow 4k looks really nice. Phonearena posted the sample 4k video but it was useless because youtube converts it to 1080p. The native 1080p video that they posted looked better than 4k on youtube. I can't wait to use 4k. It might not be every time I go to record something but if I love being able to have that option.
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4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it
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It amazes me how short-sighted some people are to say stuff like that. You and Clariion, 2 posts above you, as well as many other people in different threads...Videos, recorded with your phone's camcorder are memories for life. Do you record something only to watch it right away and be done with, never watch it again? 20 years ago, when there was only VHS available - if someone offered you a device, which can record video in DVD quality, would you say "no" to that, because your current TV can only play VHS resolution?...
You're saying "I don't want to record much better quality video just because right now I don't have a TV, that can play it." . In a few years 4k TVs will be a standard in every house, and you'll be watching your wedding's video in sh*itty 1080p, because you chose not to get 4k camcorder just because you didnt have a playback device for it at the time...
I can't believe some of you don't see the benefits of 4k even if you plan on never getting a 4k TV. While recording in 4k, just your ability to digitally zoom while maintaining excellent quality should be worth the feature being present. It's basically lossless digital zoom (up to a point of course.) I can't imagine anyone not wanting that.
Hi everyone,
I'm considering the Shield as my streaming box from my NAS. Does anyone have experience with it's 4k video capability? How does it handle it and in what player?
I have played 4k videos (on a 1080p screen, but the videos were 4k) on my shield with Kodi, and it played wonderfully. Just make sure your network has enough speed to handle 4k videos, and you should be fine. I recommend a wired notwork of course. I was able to play them over USB2 with no problems.
Edit: Screenshot added. Big Buck Bunny is always used to test performance, so I thought, why not. 8K was too much for this device understandably, though it should be able to handle more than 4k. Haven't tested 3d or anything of that like as I tend to watch insanely high bitrate anime in 10 bit color which is software decode, and plays fine. (24mbp/s will play fine even x264 hi10p).
I buy 4k + 1080p + digital movies, rip the 1080p and 4k hdr content at its highest quality sometimets upto 70GB size for 4k hdr pure mkv files, disc on my hdd and stream through plex on shield tv pro 2019.
is ai scaling pointless if the files are pure mkv 4k and 1080p and direct play from pc to shield?
whats there to upscale?
1080p to 4k scaling?
I did demo test on avatar 1080p, it upscales it most definitely, wow.
4k hdr doesn't get upscaled says nothing to upscale. ofc. unless 8k streaming device.
makes me wonder if nvidia has more in the works since 2019 for a new device even better n more powerful.