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I'm looking for best practices and successes rather than commiseration.
I'm running JuiceDefender on aggressive and still not getting more than a day of use (3g+BT off, wifi 2hrs, screen time 3hrs).
If you've managed to get some kind of improvement, please share what you did and how much of a difference it made.
I've installed betterbatterystats and saw that trillian causes a hell of a lot of wakelocks, so I've disabled that. My battery usage graph is much smoother and less steep but I can't put any numbers on it.
PickleHead said:
I've installed betterbatterystats and saw that trillian causes a hell of a lot of wakelocks, so I've disabled that. My battery usage graph is much smoother and less steep but I can't put any numbers on it.
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Thanks for this. I found out that it was the Smarter Alarm app, which was activating hundreds of times an hour and preventing my phone from going into deep sleep (this app wasn't a problem on my Desire HD, just on the Note).
Here is a shot of BetterBatteryStats showing 4hrs of non-deep sleep followed by 8hrs of deep sleep:
http://i.imgur.com/pXXD3.jpg
And here is the battery graph. You can see in the top left how even when the screen and services were off, the battery was still falling at an unusual rate:
http://i.imgur.com/fjSKi.jpg
An aside: JuiceDefender didn't prevent this from happening, but did heat up the phone noticably. I've since turned it off.
randomstranger99 said:
I'm looking for best practices and successes rather than commiseration.
I'm running JuiceDefender on aggressive and still not getting more than a day of use (3g+BT off, wifi 2hrs, screen time 3hrs).
If you've managed to get some kind of improvement, please share what you did and how much of a difference it made.
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How long have you had it? Remember that it takes a week or two before the battery reaches its full capacity.
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How long have you had it? Remember that it takes a week or two before the battery reaches its full capacity.
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I've had it 11 days. My battery life has been all over the map, anywhere from 8hrs to 55hrs, depending on usage and wakelock activity. My one-day limit started about four days ago.
randomstranger99 said:
Thanks for this. I found out that it was the Smarter Alarm app, which was activating hundreds of times an hour and preventing my phone from going into deep sleep (this app wasn't a problem on my Desire HD, just on the Note).
Here is a shot of BetterBatteryStats showing 4hrs of non-deep sleep followed by 8hrs of deep sleep:
http://i.imgur.com/pXXD3.jpg
And here is the battery graph. You can see in the top left how even when the screen and services were off, the battery was still falling at an unusual rate:
http://i.imgur.com/fjSKi.jpg
An aside: JuiceDefender didn't prevent this from happening, but did heat up the phone noticably. I've since turned it off.
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from my understanding of how juice defender works, i believe it closes off non-essential background apps to save battery?
the problem with this is that if the app is designed to remain running at all times, then youre only going to cause problems when running juice defender. juice defender will close the app, the app will reopen itself, juice defender will close the app, the app will reopen itself, etc. its a reboot loop for the app, which will end up draining more battery than simply leaving the background process running.
i dont recommend using any app killers. they all do the same thing and just end up chewing through your battery more. if you want to really disable an app, use titanium background to freeze it.
Some of you may have noticed that battery life on this phone can be both unbelievable and mediocre. I've been trying to figure out what can trigger and cause mediocre performance and I'm at a loss. The problem is, there doesn't appear to be a smoking gun. No obvious wake locks. No rogue Apps. I have Carrier IQ disabled by System Tuner. Google Now is off. What I'm running right now is pretty bare bones. And the kicker is my phone is sleeping, as can be seen in the shots below. The vast majority of the time my phone was off the charger it was in deep sleep mode.
I noticed my phone in excessive drain mode Saturday so I let it run over night and into the next day, so that BBS and GSam could pick up as much data as possible, including sitting idle overnight and very little use throughout yesterday.
Here are some shots to show the story. The graph, which is definitely steeper than when idle drain is normal, which resulted in idle drain of about 6% per hour. Also as can be seen in these shots, there is not a wakelock problem. Deep sleep shows as 12 hours 38 minutes, Awake time of 1 hour 8 minutes, and screen on time of 1 hour. So, my phone was only "awake" for 8 minutes when the screen was off out of almost 14 hours according to BBS.
I did notice and oddity here though. BBS listed the unplugged status as 13 hours 47 minutes, while the phone's battery meter listed it at 12 hours 13 minutes.
Attached are the shots I took at 19%, as well as a final battery meter shot after charging the phone to full while powered off and restarting, where it's been purring like a kitten in deep sleep.
Part of me is beginning to believe there is a bug with the battery gauge. What do you guys think is going on?
Try clearing data for google play services,google services framework and playsore than reboot and check if things changed.
And i would recommend uninstall the updates related to those apps and let them update itself again.
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gm007 said:
Try clearing data for google play services,google services framework and playsore than reboot and check if things changed.
And i would recommend uninstall the updates related to those apps and let them update itself again.
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Done. Although I won't know if any attempts to resolve the issue have worked until the idle drain triggers again (or doesn't).
Thanks for the advice.
Well unfortunately that didn't solve the issue. The heavy deep sleep drain again triggered after a bit over one full day. I charged to full last night and let sit over night where it drained 6% per hour with no obvious culprit. Anyone else have any suggestions?
It seem that your signal is week, did you get stable signal and have you tried airplane mode, to find out how much battery drain in this mode?
Also, did you disable LG MLT? This is a massive app from LG, can consumed about 150 MB RAM.
This might sound boneheaded, but what about just resetting the phone. Maybe some system app is causing some type of memory leak and thus draining your battery. Also disable wifi when you're not using it.
I don't think it's signal related. I get an excellent signal at work and the idle drain still occurs. Also, it happens whether wifi is on or not. I have not disabled MLT, as I'm not concerned about RAM, just running processes. Rebooting the phone eliminates the issue, so something is obviously getting hung. The really odd thing is I was draining 6%/hr overnight, all while the phone was in deep sleep, yet my top battery consuming category was the screen at 35%, with just 1 hour of screen on time of 10 hours off the charger. If something was cranking in Android System that caused 40% drain overnight I would have expected Android System to be higher. It doesn't make any sense.
I may just have to factory reset.
My battery's been great until couple of days ago when I turned on GPS and Voice Notification (for speaking out names when phone call/message comes in). After I noticed the abnormal battery drain, I turned off those two options, because that's the only thing I did differently before noticing the drain. However, that didn't help... yet. I needed to do a reboot and battery's been fine again. Not sure if those two were the actual culprit, or just coincidence.
Have you changed any settings right before you noticed the drain? Just a thought.
had the same issue., wakelock detector, BBS, GSAM nothing could show what was eating the battery. i use mobile browsing a lot and almost 8/10 times this battery drain was happening with chrome , chrome beta and firefox browsers.
Only thing thats helping me is the Greenify app . Greenified the chrome and firefox and almost all the cloud apps and the battery is now much much better.
still ...IT IS AN PROBLEM to be found..
To provide a bit more info on this, attached is a pic of my reboot a couple hours ago (marked by the thin white vertical line). The change in the slope of the drainage line is drastic. Also, notice the small hump after the reboot? The line actually increased a bit, fell, then flat lined. More and more I'm beginning to suspect the battery gauge, but I just don't know.
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I have the same situation after charging. Even in"deep sleep" it would chew through the battery. Now I just reboot the phone after charging and it plays nice. The gerbil on the wheel seems to take a break and rest.
To all who have excessive battery drain, did you charge your phone while it is on or off?
Some where in this forum (if not mistaken), I read that there is a bug while charging G2 when it is on. You should reboot your phone after it is fully charged otherwise you will experience excessive battery drain.
Mine always charged it while it is off and never had problem with battery life.
i got the same issue which is very annoying, have over 85% deep sleep, no wake lock, battery draining like crazy, and it happens randomly. I wonder if factory rest fixes the problem, or hardware issue
i have done a bit testing for this random drain,
with mobile signal on ==> huge drain
without mobile signal on and only phone signal ==> huge drain
airplane mode ==> no drain
so i believe it is a bug within the phone software, actually sometimes the random drain started after a phone call
I've been getting the drain too in the past few days. Last time i could fix it by factory resetting, but obviously I don't feel like doing that once per month. What I do know is that flashing another stock ROM (kdz) without factory resetting doesn't fix it. However last night I figured i'd try disabling WiFi (kept it on during the night until now) and I only drained 1% in 5 hours, down from 3% per hour. Perhaps this bug is related to WiFi.
Have you disabled LG MLT? It acts like CIQ for internal LG purposes. I have personally seen it cause mass wakelock in unexplained situations. If I leave everything on overnight under 95% battery, I will get around a 3% drain in about 7 hours. Pretty normal. The first 5% on these batteries seem magical. At 100%, with everything on, I wake to 100%.
Yup, frozen in TiBu. Will be factory resetting however when I get home as GSAM grabbed my attention. Never were system things so high up the list when i had no drain.
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To all who have excessive battery drain, did you charge your phone while it is on or off?
Some where in this forum (if not mistaken), I read that there is a bug while charging G2 when it is on. You should reboot your phone after it is fully charged otherwise you will experience excessive battery drain.
Mine always charged it while it is off and never had problem with battery life.
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I been struggling with this since I got the phone (almost a month now). I've done all the usual:
Removing bloat
Disabled CIQ
Disabled Google Now, Location, GPS
and I have the same apps as my Nexus 5
Just last night I realized that this battery drain only happens after taking it off the charger. This got me to add the word "charging" in my search and I found this thread.
Is this hardware related, or would a custom ROM resolve this? I have the AT&T version.
Ok and which stock rom does not do that?
shilent said:
I been struggling with this since I got the phone (almost a month now). I've done all the usual:
Removing bloat
Disabled CIQ
Disabled Google Now, Location, GPS
and I have the same apps as my Nexus 5
Just last night I realized that this battery drain only happens after taking it off the charger. This got me to add the word "charging" in my search and I found this thread.
Is this hardware related, or would a custom ROM resolve this? I have the AT&T version.
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Probably this is a software issue. Never heard this problem on latest firmware or custom ROM.
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Probably this is a software issue. Never heard this problem on latest firmware or custom ROM.
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Guys could you write which stock rom does this wakelocks for you so we could eliminate corrupt firmwares?
For example I experience these wakelocks on latest F international version.
Hello everybody
I have problem with battery drain when my WiFi is on. During night my battery drain 1-2% which is great and WiFi is off, but when I turn my WiFi on and just read news with some app it goes down 5-10% in like 10-15 min. I'm not rooted because he is still in warranty and I don't wanna lose it just yet.
I've searched the forum and I have just found that people have problem when WiFi is off and battery drain like is on but that's not problem here.
Any suggestion?
Thanks.
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Hello everybody
I have problem with battery drain when my WiFi is on. During night my battery drain 1-2% which is great and WiFi is off, but when I turn my WiFi on and just read news with some app it goes down 5-10% in like 10-15 min. I'm not rooted because he is still in warranty and I don't wanna lose it just yet.
I've searched the forum and I have just found that people have problem when WiFi is off and battery drain like is on but that's not problem here.
Any suggestion?
Thanks.
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To diagnose this you would need an app that monitors what it is that is draining the battery.
Try installing "Better Battery Stats," open the app once then close it. For a few hours, use your phone like normal or in a situation you want to diagnose. Then go into Better Battery Stats and post a screenshot of "Kernel Wakelocks," "Partial Wakelocks," and "Other" here so we can take a look.
Better Battery Stats: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2411941&d=1385305325
Other apps which are good to see what is draining the battery are GSam Battery Monitor and Wakelock Detector.
GSam Battery Monitor: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm
Wakelock Detector: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uzumapps.wakelockdetector
Do the same with these apps as I said with Better Battery Stats and post screenshots from them.
Good luck!
Thanks for quick replay. I'm using GSam Battery Monitor for 2 weeks now and here are the images I think it could helps.
If you need something more just ask.
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Thanks for quick replay. I'm using GSam Battery Monitor for 2 weeks now and here are the images I think it could helps.
If you need something more just ask.
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Those pictures look pretty alright. I'd say you aren't suffering from the Android OS bug a lot of other people are suffering from. What is your screen on time? 32% battery left after 6½ hours is quite a lot of drain, it seems as though you must have had the screen on almost the entire time. Looks as though Facebook and Google Services are the ones draining your battery. You could uninstall or deactivate sync for Facebook for a while and see. Google Play Services issued an update some day ago which is rolling out which should fix battery drain as well. You'll have to keep a lookout for that one.
I've recently bought the LG G6 and while many things works very nicely to me and overall it feels like a solid device I still have problems regarding battery drain overnight. Besides a relatively high drain I also noticed it to be very inconsistent draining from 3-4% to 10%-16 in periods of 8-10 hours under about the very same conditions. I've tried to track down the causes using multiple methods so I have a lot of bugreports going thru Google's Battery Historian tool and dumpfiles from Better Battery Stats app. I can post them if it helps but so far they didn't helped much to understand the reasons for the drain and the inconsistency as well. I though it was coming from a weak WiFi signal or poor mobile signal but it's not related. My settings are: WiFi always on, Sync on, AOD off, data on, Do Not Disturb on overnight, VoLTE is always off, Location turned on (high accuracy + iZat on but wifi and BT verification off) etc. Suggestions are welcome.
Do people not leave phone on charge overnight anymore?
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Do people not leave phone on charge overnight anymore?
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I used to but I don't think it's the best practice. Probably will have an impact on battery lifespan and since we have quick charge is also unnecessary I guess. Also, losing less battery while stand by provides more SOT.
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I used to but I don't think it's the best practice. Probably will have an impact on battery lifespan and since we have quick charge is also unnecessary I guess. Also, losing less battery while stand by provides more SOT.
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It will 'cut off' once fully charged. Doesn't cause any real issues. Unless you keep the phone for 4-5 years.
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It will 'cut off' once fully charged. Doesn't cause any real issues. Unless you keep the phone for 4-5 years.
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Yeah but I'd still want to improve stand by drain to have a better performance during the day.
I can confirm an issue with very high overnight drain. I turn off all radios and typically use the app switcher to close all running apps. Despite this, on a couple of occasions I woke and found that battery had lost about 25% overnight. Looking at the battery drain history it was clear that the phone had entered a very low power doze state, stayed there for a few hours and then often around 3AM would kick into some kind of high power usage state wherein the battery tanked. I don't know what the cause is, but it's not something I like to see. I often use phones on backpacking trips where there's no ability to charge and managing charge is important. With reliable doze, there's no need to turn the phone off, but with this behaviour, it would be critical.
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I can confirm an issue with very high overnight drain. I turn off all radios and typically use the app switcher to close all running apps. Despite this, on a couple of occasions I woke and found that battery had lost about 25% overnight. Looking at the battery drain history it was clear that the phone had entered a very low power doze state, stayed there for a few hours and then often around 3AM would kick into some kind of high power usage state wherein the battery tanked. I don't know what the cause is, but it's not something I like to see. I often use phones on backpacking trips where there's no ability to charge and managing charge is important. With reliable doze, there's no need to turn the phone off, but with this behaviour, it would be critical.
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That's really worse than what I'm reporting. My device still goes into full doze after a while on light doze. My drain is significant but never over 16%. I'd suggest you to run Better Battery Stats and look for wakelocks.
My Essential PH 1 is draining a lot.
Phone idle is taking most power with approximately 17%. Screenshots attached.
Can you please advise if this is normal and ways to minimize battery drain ?
manuvarghese said:
My Essential PH 1 is draining a lot.
Phone idle is taking most power with approximately 17%. Screenshots attached.
Can you please advise if this is normal and ways to minimize battery drain ?
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Are you showing off? because those are amazing numbers. You're on track for 35 hours! I get around 26. Your bigger killer is What's App, but that's expected for a Facebook app. 17% for idle means your phone is on and doing nothing 17% of the time.
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Are you showing off? because those are amazing numbers. You're on track for 35 hours! I get around 26. Your bigger killer is What's App, but that's expected for a Facebook app. 17% for idle means your phone is on and doing nothing 17% of the time.
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Nope I am not showing off, I think i am having huge drains when I am asleep. Most of the time in that graph is idle time so i am thinking it should be better ?
Again I moved recently to droid from iOS so i am unsure of the droid power management baselines.
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Nope I am not showing off, I think i am having huge drains when I am asleep. Most of the time in that graph is idle time so i am thinking it should be better ?
Again I moved recently to droid from iOS so i am unsure of the droid power management baselines.
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Cool. I didn't mean to seem mean, but those are good numbers. If your phone is on, and you have push notifications (pretty much every social media app, phone, sms, etc.) you're going to have drain. Even if the phone was off, the battery would drain somewhat. But you have What's App and other chat apps, so that'll use battery, even if your asleep, the phone isn't. It's the only way you would be able to receive calls, text, updates, etc.
That 17% looks steep, but it's all relative to a small screen. over the span of 20 hours and you still have almost 50% battery, especially with "free" apps that are basically advertising engines pushing ads at your every minute. Having Phone Idle at the top is not a bad thing, it just means you don't use your phone as much as you use What's App.
1% per hour is good, better than our S8 even
I had enabled "Cellular data always active" and it chewed through my battery life. I turned it off and can now last 1.5 days on a charge.
My phone is draining 12% overnight. And phone idle is top of the list. What does this phone idle do? There was a random night where the phone only dropped 1%. But most nights, it's draining around 10% with phone idle at the top.
Update: setting wifi to not stay on while phone is sleeping seems to fix the drain issue.
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I had enabled "Cellular data always active" and it chewed through my battery life. I turned it off and can now last 1.5 days on a charge.
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Does disabling it affect receiving messages that rely on mobile data such as WhatsApp?
Where is the "cellular data always active" setting? I don't see it. Have not updated to run Oreo.
My battery was dropping from 95% to 5% overnight. Did a factory reset which helped, but I'm still losing 17-20% overnight. Seems odd to me on a brand new phone, but I have never owned an Android before. I have blocked notifications and location services from nearly all of my apps. Any advice other than what has already been posted?
If your losing that much overnight it's probably a bad app.
I don't use it, but have read that the Facebook messenger is good for that. As in eating up a battery overnight.
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Where is the "cellular data always active" setting? I don't see it. Have not updated to run Oreo.
My battery was dropping from 95% to 5% overnight. Did a factory reset which helped, but I'm still losing 17-20% overnight. Seems odd to me on a brand new phone, but I have never owned an Android before. I have blocked notifications and location services from nearly all of my apps. Any advice other than what has already been posted?
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I can promise you that that's not normal, especially for this phone. Overnight battery loss is minimal, 15 hours of idle with a 10% drain is what I'm getting. That's pretty amazing. I'd check your apps and ask the general android forums for advice. I also bet there is a rogue app draining you juice. chat and social media apps with all their pushed content and friend updates are huge battery killers.
Install accu battery ,charger to full last thing at night ,don't touch through night ,then see what's draining battery ,mine drains by about 2/3% through 8/9 hrs at night
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Where is the "cellular data always active" setting? I don't see it. Have not updated to run Oreo.
My battery was dropping from 95% to 5% overnight. Did a factory reset which helped, but I'm still losing 17-20% overnight. Seems odd to me on a brand new phone, but I have never owned an Android before. I have blocked notifications and location services from nearly all of my apps. Any advice other than what has already been posted?
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It's under developer options settings. I have mine always active without draining my battery noticeable.
The social media apps such as snapchat, facebook, twitter, etc... are the ones draining your battery while your phone is idle so you need to disable their background data running.
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Where is the "cellular data always active" setting? I don't see it. Have not updated to run Oreo.
My battery was dropping from 95% to 5% overnight. Did a factory reset which helped, but I'm still losing 17-20% overnight. Seems odd to me on a brand new phone, but I have never owned an Android before. I have blocked notifications and location services from nearly all of my apps. Any advice other than what has already been posted?
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The option to Cellular Data Always Active is on the Developer Hidden Menu. If you have it enabled you should be able to turn it off.
Thanks to all for the replies. I thought that restoring factory settings had helped somewhat, but it turns out not to have. Battery has just depleted from 100% to 67% in 3 hours while the phone has sat idle.
The only social media apps I have installed are FB and Whatapp. Notifications for both are turned off. Location services for all apps are also off. The only apps I have installed have been download from the Play Store and have run on my previous phones without causing any trouble. Those who replied all suspect a bad app, so I have installed ACCU Battery as suggested to see if I can nail it down.
Thanks again for the responses.
Try this for one night. Right before bed....
1. Turn OFF WiFi
2. Reboot phone
3. Leave WiFi off after reboot
There is a bug in Google Play Services that affects many people on many different phone types since the November updates.
When on wifi, in certain circumstances (many theories on what the actually trigger is) it will cause Google Play Services to run non stop on certain WiFi networks causing huge battery drain.
In this particular scenario, turning off Wifi does not stop the battery drain. The phone has to be reboot.
I don't know if that is what you are experiencing, as you didn't say if it was an app or system taking so much battery, but I thought I would mention it in case it helps.
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Why don't you look in settings/battery and see what is using the highest percentage of the battery?
Have looked in Settings/Battery, but am not seeing anything there that diagnoses the problem to my understanding. Highest use shown is Chrome (4%), then Screen (4%) then Google Play services (3%). ACCU Battery app shows the same. Battery is still losing 10-12% of its charge per hour while the phone is idle.
Have sent a message to Essential support to ask if they know anything about a bug in Google Play services causing battery drain. They have so far only suggested rebooting to safe mode and doing the reset to factory settings. Hasn't helped.
Will try shutting wifi off, rebooting and leaving wifi off tonight as suggested. Not really sure where to go from there even if that does save the battery, as a phone that has its battery drained just by being on wifi is useless to me.
If turning off WiFi and rebooting helps reduce system cpu usage, it is a bug in the software and not the phone. I can reproduce that specific issue on my pixel 2 and Samsung Galaxy s8, too....
If the CPU usage isn't from system, though, or turning WiFi off and rebooting doesn't help then you obviously have a completely different issue and need to troubleshoot further.
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Update:. Nothing Essential support has suggested has helped. Battery is draining to zero overnight while phone is idle both when connected to wifi and when not.
Upon learning that I had purchased the phone at a Telus store in Canada, Essential have said that they can't help me further and have referred me to the store for assistance. I'm disappointed in the lack of support from Essential.