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Looking for a great set of bluetooth headphones, that work as a hands free too.
I had a set of Nokia-bh501 's and they were pretty good. But audio quality was a bit crap. Tinny and baseless, but for phone calls they were king.
The Jabra 3030, motoralla s9 and the ericson ds220 were recomended by the threads
http://www.shopbot.com.au/default.asp?kw=Jabra+BT3030&position=search
http://www.shopbot.com.au/default.asp?kw=HBH+DS220&position=search
http://www.shopbot.com.au/default.asp?kw=Headphones+S9&position=search
So far, the jabra 3030's are the only ones with full play, pause, forward back etc... controlls and their quality, and battery life were praised.
Any others I should know of?
Try these:
http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-P..._m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=054NY98WRYHE8C5ZPNSJ
Funny thing, I had just made a post about them in another thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=401545&page=12
They have full controls, and long battery life too.
I love mine, wouldn't trade the for any others.
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I really like the Motorola S9's. Good sound quality for music but not so good for the phones calls. The mic isn't that clear either. But they are great for sport activities and the like and pretty discreet. However the battery life isn't the best. They have skip forward, skip backward and play/pause controls too.
Have you seen the Itech Clip Radio D? I am also looking for someone that is using it to get some impression.....
Stereo, Radio, Oled display.
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Try Bluerek ST1
I,v just got the Bluetrek ST1
Stereo Bluetooth Head set with also can be used for calls.
There have play/pause forward back and volume buttons and also a call buttion for use with voice commander to voice dial or track sellect via voice, works great so far and have reall good music playback.
There was also on offer at have price with was a bonus, I was worried the the sound quilaty or loudness would be a problem after switching from a wire set of head phones, but theres been no problems and are much better then i was hoping for.
hopes this helps.
al
p.s. got mind from play.com in the uk for £17.99 thats half price highly recommeneded.
Anyone have the Motorla HT820's? I got some for Christmas and I like them a lot but I was wondering if there's any way to improve the audio quality when listening to songs. It's good, but you can still her some high pitched crackling in the music.
The HT820s are among the best around for audio quality. I just set an equalizer in Coreplayer to tune it to my preference. Also check A2DP settings to be sure you use high quality.
The high-pitched noise is pretty common in average quality MP3s, maybe the previous headphones were too crappy for you to notice it but now the HT820s are so good you do hear these defects
Despite not having tried the other two (bias suggestion), i would go for the Motorola s9s. They're worth every penny i put into them.
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Despite not having tried the other two (bias suggestion), i would go for the Motorola s9s. They're worth every penny i put into them.
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I would not recommend the Motorola S9 even though I really liked mine. I used it with my phone, Skype and speech recognition, but after one year, the battery was worn off enough to make the sound (in and out) really bad. And since it was older than a year, the warranty was no longer valid so I couldn't get the battery replaced. So the S9 is great but unfortunately after a year is useless.
Hmm, thanks for the heads up . I think i'm going to call them up and ask for an exchange in case my battery does go bad.
It's the same kind of batteries that's used in all those kinds of devices, and they should last longer. If yours went bad after a year it was probably faulty. I would believe this is just an isolated case, nothing to do with all units of that model, and something that could also happen on any other model.
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I would not recommend the Motorola S9 even though I really liked mine. I used it with my phone, Skype and speech recognition, but after one year, the battery was worn off enough to make the sound (in and out) really bad. And since it was older than a year, the warranty was no longer valid so I couldn't get the battery replaced. So the S9 is great but unfortunately after a year is useless.
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I wish that my S9s had lasted that long!
I used them (all 3 pairs) down the gym, and they lasted between 1 and 2 weeks each. They do not handle sweat ingress at all well, which is pretty lousy considering the way they're marketed.
Then had a pair of Jabra BT620s. Sound quality wasn't as good, and my only issue was that I looked like a total eejit whilst wearing them.
So picked up a pair of Jabra BT3030s. Pretty good sound quality, but they failed in exactly the same way as the Motos - had them clipped to my tee shirt whilst running. Bit of sweat got into them (they're supposedly waterproof), and bzzzt - they failed.
Nokia BH-501 is good but fragile
Hi,
For twelve months now I have been using the Nokia BH-501 headsets. I am happy with audio quality for both music and calls. Mostly I am happy with the price, as they go for less than $US50 here in Australia for some reason, while any other headphones with the same function have been priced much higher.
The main drawback I have found is that they break. No matter how careful I am, they develop stress fractures just back from the earpiece, after about a month of daily usage.
I am currently onto my third pair... I use plastic tape to keep them together, and they work fine...
Saving up for a more durable set of headphones now, but making do in the meantime.
I'll watch this thread for more suggestions from the experts.
Cheers.
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fcasini said:
Have you seen the Itech Clip Radio D? I am also looking for someone that is using it to get some impression.....
Stereo, Radio, Oled display.
bye
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I have this and out of the S9 and the 10 other models and types that I have I use the Itech Clip. Now I did go get some nice KOSS noise canceling ear buds that make everything much better. I have this one http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=2&pid=02042
I prefer Sennheiser MM 200, perfect for sound quality.
Im using Motorola S705..
Sound quality over calls is much quieter than music for some reason but overall it sounds OK
just lacks a bit of bass. Decent.
Really Great stereo bluetooth headsets..SONY HBH-DS205
If any of u guys are looking for great Stereo Bluetooth Headsets, "SONY HBH-DS205" are really graet one..very light weight, Great sound quality( no one can beat Sony for that), The best is, u can use any other earphones, in case if u doesnt like the one it comes with...so, thats great. I am using the music player software, "PocketMusic Player Bundle 5", which supports everything, like A2DP, equaliser, remote controls, etc...
I used bluetooth stereo headset from O2 atom..it's really nice, the sound, the style..it can play, forward, backward..the only problem it only available on white..
Hey guys i'm looking at getting a Bluetooth stereo headset for when i go workout and want to listen to music. I was looking in to the Motorola S9 but i have read some reviews stating that they tend to break when you sweat a lot. Also I kind of wanted a headset that had two individual piece and not one piece that with plastic that wraps around your head (For benching purposes). Anyone have some good recommendations?
I am more than happy with Jabra 8010. They are convertible, so I don't have to have wear 2 pieces if I know I'll be making just some calls (even though you can and the call is coming from BOTH pieces unlike that pos Jaybird I've shipped back the same day) There is no fancy blue LED blinking all the time which I HATE. Why it is there on the most BT earphones anyway?
But it has nice and unobtrusive OLED display which shows quite a few informatopn like caller ID, call history or phonebook. You can change also settings like whether you wear the "master" on your right or left. Also it has an EQUALIZER. But unless you WANT it to be on or if call is incoming, it'll show caller ID. Othervise the display's off.
Switching between modes is a snap with pushing one button you get headset, press it again and you have A2DP. Dedicated on-off switch you dont have to press and hold like many others but just slide it back and it's off, slide it fwd and it's on.
I LOVE jogwheel as a volume control. Volume change is immidiate. it's like turning a volume knob on the radio. Convinient and quick.
Battery life is beyond my expectations as it can play over 6 hours of stereo music straight and the sound is IMHO better than Moto820 (I used to have before and which ones lasted me 2 months of sporadic use) and DEFINITELY better than overpriced Jaybirds. Don't get me even started on those. Just let me say that don't remember to be so dissapointed with a purchase.
Call quality is excellent too especially when I wear both pieces. I HAVE VOICE IN MY HEAD!
And I never had any complaints from the other party s well.
My only complaint is about wearing. Don't get me wrong. They are comfortable and very lightweight. Sometimes I even forget I'm wearing it.
But the way those earloops were made, it takes some twisting and adjusting to have them exactly where you want them to be.
They are not gym proof. They holding too loosely on your ears for that.
For everyday use, walking around, in your car i.e. when there is someone else who don't like your kind of music, and so on they are excellent.
AND because they don't make them anymore, you can find them on the net for as low as $28 free shipping.
It it is a long time since I purchased so well-rounded overall no-fancy-nonsense product in general.
Too bad they took them off the market. My guess is they were loosing money.
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hello guys just wanted to share that shure have released a earbuds with mic that will work with android phone. they are called shure se115m the + model is for iphones and blackberry.
Thanks for sharing but they have been out for a while. Btw all the major iem manufacturers have them. Shure, westone, ue, and etymotic to name a few
How are the se115's for quality? I was looking at them and they are basically Shure's cheapest earbuds arent they? Saw them for 99.99 here in Canada.
Anyone have them and want to comment on how the sound is with an X10?
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How are the se115's for quality? I was looking at them and they are basically Shure's cheapest earbuds arent they? Saw them for 99.99 here in Canada.
Anyone have them and want to comment on how the sound is with an X10?
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I have the SE115s (not the m + or whatever. just the earphones). I used to love the sound quality, but off late I've been spoilt by my Denon headphones so I use the Shure's when I want perfect isolation (and believe me it is perfect)
Totally worth the money btw
I wonder if its just me? but the stock earphones..when i press the sliver call button to take a call it doesnt work at all.
They are a great set of iems. I haven't tried the one with a mic though...
Just picked up a pair of the se115's. The se115m's were 10 dollars more and was almost gonna get them when i realized I can just plug these into the mic that came with the phone.
Very happy with these headphones. They block out everything else and sound really great. Thanks for the recommendations.
how good is the quality of the loudspeaker of the Samsung Focus for watching movies/videos and playing music? i have an HD2 that has a really crappy loudspeaker and i want to get on the Windows 7 band wagon, yeah i know there is the HTC Surround which is another option for me but im worried about all the problems the Surround has and my last Samsung phone was a Samsung i760 for Verizon and for 3 years never once had any problems with it until i went HD2 but i wana get into WP7 so im conflicted with the Focus and the Surround
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how good is the quality of the loudspeaker of the Samsung Focus for watching movies/videos and playing music? i have an HD2 that has a really crappy loudspeaker and i want to get on the Windows 7 band wagon, yeah i know there is the HTC Surround which is another option for me but im worried about all the problems the Surround has and my last Samsung phone was a Samsung i760 for Verizon and for 3 years never once had any problems with it until i went HD2 but i wana get into WP7 so im conflicted with the Focus and the Surround
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Well...the Focus' speaker is louder than all other phones I've used but the problem is the speaker is on the backside. I usually have to cuff the speaker to get decent sound. But once cuffed, the sound is plentiful. The quality seems to be sufficient for movie watching.
I might get around to making a sound funnel for mine...some kind of shield that directs sound towards the front.
hahaha i have an HD2 right now and the speaker is in the back, since my days of the O2 Xda mini i had years ago to my samsung i760 im used to cuffing my hands to redirect the sound but if its loud and good quality i guess im ready to fork $349 to ATT on a retail unit
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hahaha i have an HD2 right now and the speaker is in the back, since my days of the O2 Xda mini i had years ago to my samsung i760 im used to cuffing my hands to redirect the sound but if its loud and good quality i guess im ready to fork $349 to ATT on a retail unit
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Yeah, they are priced at $350 online. And it says you have to go to the store to buy a phone without a service agreement. So be prepared to explain the deal to the sales associate because they will ring it up at $400. Once you explain the online bit to them, they will make an effort to check it out and find a way to adjust the price in-store. If you happen to get a contrary associate. Find another store or go back at a different time.
at $380 with tax il be happy to get it for that much and i hope they do sell it to me for that price
Personally, I find that going above 2/3 or 3/4 can degrade the sound quality coming from the speaker. Cuffing at about 22 works for me.
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Personally, I find that going above 2/3 or 3/4 can degrade the sound quality coming from the speaker. Cuffing at about 22 works for me.
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all hail cuffing
I get really good sound quality until about 25 or 28, but I only need it that loud when I'm in a busy place or the kids are playing in the same room as me
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This is a fairly new company that make HT speakers and recently released a BT speaker... I dont work for Fluance.com however i must admit their product is awesome.. i own a pair of bi-pole speaker and center speak for their XL series and trying to get some money to buy the XL towers..
a friend of mine own their Fi30 BT speakers and he said you cant get another speak that is this good within the price range.
And you get a chance to win the new 300 movie on BluRay
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I understand we all have our reasoning's for and against. Figured I'd get the ball rolling on the "for" party.
-Camera. We don't have many hands-on reviews yet, but dxomark was a good start. Good to hear the camera quality overall is great. It's amazing what Google's software processing and HDR+ is capable of.
-No headphones jack. I'm actually a fan of this trade off for IP67 certification. Less I have to worry about when my phone gets splashed with water.
-Dual speakers are back. Love my stereo speakers on my 6P
-Snapdragon 835 - Would have liked a newer iteration (possibly an 836 or something) to differentiate our chips compared to the S8 which came out in April (6 months ago). It is what it is though.
-Bluetooth 5.0 - Was a must have for me. I do not own a Smart Watch yet, but I'm hoping this resolves a lot of battery life qualms when BT5.0 compatible watches come out.
The price obviously sucks, but that's what happens when you bring a carrier launching partner into play (Verizon). Google has to give Verizon some sort of incentive to sell the phone. Who knows how much profit Verizon makes off each phone.
I also thought Google would have learned to do a multi-carrier launch. That would have been their best form of advertising. I am on Verizon, but I am still getting the phone through the Google website due to their protection plan being cheaper than going through Verizon+Extended Service Plan.
Why are you getting the Pixel 2 XL?
Your reasons sum up my feelings pretty well. I had a Pixel XL and sold it recently in anticipation of upgrading. I got over half the purchase price back, a fair deal I think. The phone was nice, I liked it a lot. The camera was awesome, without a doubt the best I've used on a phone, better than the last couple digital cameras I've had. Unlimited uploading of full res pics speaks for itself. Bluetooth issues seem to have been resolved recently, had some stuttering early on but fixed now. The speakers will be a big upgrade. The battery life was great, I'm expecting the same with the new model. The monthly updates are obviously a bonus. Development is lacking because of the partitioning but the stock firmware is hard to beat especially with the need for more security and pretty much all your personal info on your phone. For years I've been wondering why it is so hard to make a phone that checks all the boxes. This one won't check all the boxes for everyone, but I think it comes close for me.
I need a good phone camera for work, love front facing speakers, stock android with fast updates. Those are my reasons, plus if the squeezable frame works as advertised, will be a bonus.
LIke you, I'm upgrading from my 6P. While I was interested in the original Pixel, there just wasn't enough to justify upgrading. It wasn't the price either. Had they offered the PXL for $399, I still doubt I'd have bought it. There simply wasn't enough to draw me from my 6P, which has been my favorite Android phone of all time. The P2XL, however, did (at least IMO). I'm not a huge phone camera guy, (If I really need good pictures, I tend to grab my SLR.) but having a good camera that doesn't require a lot of thought, but still takes great pictures and videos is no brainer. OIS+EIS on the P2XL is a huge plus in my book.
But really, the things that sold me are the IP67 rating, the squeezable frame (I use Google Assistant constantly -- and a quicker/easier way to activate it has me all giddy), the always-on display, and fast-charging (even faster than the 6P). In fact, if it had been rumored to have wireless charging, I'd have been mashing the F5 button on the website, so that I could get the pre-order in sooner. As for the headphone jack... Well, to be honest, my 6P's headphone jack has never been used. Not even once. Good riddance, I say... especially if it helps with the IP rating. Having said that, I look forward to BT5.0, and hope that, in the future, it will lead to better-sounding audio. I know that there are no (or at least, practically no) BT5.0 headphones out there, but they'll surely come. I also know that initially, BT5.0 doesn't really do anything to improve audio, but again, I'm sure that will come.
Lastly, the bezels. Am I the only one that already has accidental side-activation issues on my 6P? Moving the touch-sensitive portion of the screen closer to the edges actually sounds like a bad idea to me. Edge to edge sure looks nice, but I've always thought it comes with its share of hassles, which I simply don't need. I rather think the bezels on the P2XL are perfect. The P2, on the other hand... **shudder**.
One thing i wished was wirelss charging
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One thing i wished was wirelss charging
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Same here with the wireless charging. That needs to be a mandatory feature on all phones these days.
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I'm also so tempted to get this phone, coming from the 6P. But the price... expensive. I still have to make the decision.
But it really seems a nice phone specs, great software... plus after the 6P I couldn't go back to single speakers. Hard decision.
Google's trade in program is what did it for me. They are offering $400 back for a 32GB 1st Gen Pixel XL. I was on the fence but when I found out how much they are willing to give for the old phones, I decided get the newer version. My battery life is still great but it's definitely starting to decline. I also have a few nicks on the phone but the screen is still in tact and not shattered.
I've never used the 3.5mm jack so personally, I'm glad it's gone. I use Bluetooth headphones all the time and I'm even considering getting the new Google buds but I'm waiting to see more reviews about them.
I'm also getting more space on my phone which is a plus. I never had an issue because of High Res backups for all your photos but it's always nice to have some extra space.
They could have kept the headphone jacks and still got the IP67 or higher certification. Aside from the lame idea to not include that, the P2 checked off every gripe I had about the original Pixel, which is why I held onto my 6p for this long.
I'm also replacing my Nexus 6P with the Pixel 2 XL. I am not happy about them removing the headphone jack. Otherwise this is my ideal phone. I also ordered the pixel buds, but they're on backorder and will be a few weeks before they show up.
Had a 6P with no interest in Pixel XL. Unfortunately, had a warranty issue and ended up with an XL as a replacement. It's only a few weeks but I don't really like it. The massive white forehead and chin bezels totally take away from the display. I don't like the smaller 5.5 display coming from the 5.7. And the speakers are very weak.
It seems like the 2 XL has resolved the issues I have with the XL. I would never buy a phone with white bezels either. I am very happy with the performance of the XL and especially its camera so the 2 XL should be even better.
The fact that I received the XL as a warranty replacement and the buy-back program, I'm definitely looking forward to the 2 XL. I hope (though not holding my breath) that it will be a bit easier to custom ROM than the original Pixel.
I am coming from a Nexus 6P.
Camera: The camera on the 6p was pretty good. (except for slomo.) Looks like this one is even better. Plus OIS this time around.
Headphone Jack: I 100% dont care about this. I cant even remember the last time i used the headphone jack. I mostly only use my car (bluetooth) or my Bose Speaker (bluetooth)
Bluetooth 5.0: Since ill have this phone for 2+ years glad it has this incase something cool comes along.
Screen: My 6p has a lot of burn in. Esp the nav buttons and status bar. Its starting to drive me crazy. I hope a POLED holds up better then the AMOLED
4G of RAM: I was always coming close to using all my RAM on the N6P
Coming from a 6P as many here are.
I was gonna ride the 6P running Pure Nexus for another year (got mine in Dec 15), but ended up with the beginning symptoms of the BLOD, so I called Google (I purchased the 6P through them) and even though it was 8 months out of warranty, they did me a solid and sent me a refurbished one.
I started reading posts about others who received a refurb'd 6P from Google having BLOD issues on the refurbs.
So I started thinking about other devices.
Then Nate (Beanstown106) dev for PN on my 6P posts that he ordered the Pixel 2 XL, and that did it for me.
Ordered my unlocked, all black 64 gb 2 XL last week. I'm on Verizon, but I prefer unlocked, and Google got my $ since they took care of me on a way out of warranty device.
Looking forward to whatever Nate cooks up for he 2 XL!
Hoping 2 XL screen and cellular connectivity are without issue.
I just received XL to replace 6P and thought I'd keep it but screen has a dead zone across top row apps. 2 XL release is good timing so I'll take advantage of the $410 trade in deal.
Why are dual speakers a must for you guys?
I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?
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I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?
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Not about music but think for many front speakers beat down fire speakers because there is no muting when holding phone. Me, holding XL phone one handed my pinky covers at least one speaker.
My story - have been on 6p for 2 years (almost exactly to the date). The past few months the phone started developing battery, uhm, issues like death at 20%, random crashes etc. Ordered 2xl the day of the announcement. Dual speakers NBD, the camera is (generally happy with 6p's but the better the better.) When listening to music I use the sony pha-1a with good headphones, via usb-c to usb adapter. Looking forward to the 2XL, hope google doesn't do the same thing they did 2 years ago when people ordering two weeks later getting their phones while we suckers wait and wait. And wait. Then drop the order, reorder and get the new phone in 2 days..
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I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?
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As long as you can hear it is key for me. Many times I'll want to hear a song or video but can't due to background noise. This is not a problem for my 6P but was for every other phone
November will be 2 years with my 6P and I can honestly say it's been my favorite phone to date.
I've enjoyed the dual front facing speakers when I watch youtube stuff, the camera is well above average and I've enjoyed the various custom roms that some very talented developers have put together. The whole experience has been good but it's now time to get something new, especially with the battery starting to do the whole shutdown thing at 30% or so.
The Pixel 2 XL has pretty much everything I like in a phone and while I don't love the cost, I'm doing it anyway.
I don't care about the headphone jack, as I never use it, but I do understand why a lot of people are upset. Sound is definitely better through a wired headset.
I chose the 64 gb version, as it's enough for my uses, but I would have really preferred that the phone had expandable memory. I'll deal with it as I have with my 6P. Going to the 128gb would have brought the cost to over $1000 with tax and that was my breaking point. Lmao!!
I'm pretty excited and wish I hadn't waited until the 5th to order mine as it probably cost me a couple of days. I'm still looking at delivery by 10/26 or 27 so it's all happening.
There isn't a perfect phone as everyone has different desires, but I've gotta say that Google really comes close and I'm happy with my choice.
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I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?
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After having stereo sound for years using a stereo mod on a Nexus 5 and having stereo speakers on the 6P, I cannot stand watching videos or playing games in landscape with a single bottom firing speaker. It's literally my only gripe about the Pixel XL I'm trading in for the 2 XL.