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I need your help...

Also posted on XoomForums.com
(Sorry in advance for the long post)
First off, let me say that I am a full-on Android fanboy.
After many years, frustrated by WM phones, I ditched Microsoft and picked up a Droid on launch day and have never looked back!
I have been on line, literally, every day since Nov 6th 2009, pouring over all of the android forums, blogs and reviews.
I have watched the evolution of android and have been so excited with every new update, discovery and app. I still rock the OG Droid because I have yet to see anything out there tempting enough for me to want to ditch it (o.k., maybe the Bionic but we'll have to wait and see!) but because it is also the most developer friendly friendly device anyone has released (feel free to correct me).
I love the open nature of Android, I love the quirkiness and the feeling of being part of helping to build this fledgling into a giant.
I rooted my phone long ago and have tried many, many roms, kernels and themes and I have loved all of it! (I am a bit worried that at the final reckoning I will be held accountable for the 2 1/2 years of my life I wasted dicking with my phones.)
Anyways, that's my history, now my dilemma.
Since the introduction of the first ipad, I never quite "got it". It seemed cool and everything but I couldn't see a reason, or a need it would fill, in my life. My laptop recently died and I do miss sitting on the couch surfing, working, emailing etc. So then I began to see the introduction of Android tablets and, although intrigued, I still found myself not really coveting them.
Flash forward to last Friday. I get a call from my wife who says she's at Costco and do I want anything, as a joke, I said "Yeah, how about picking me up one of those Motorola Xooms. She did.
I have spent the last week, with a browser full of Xoom related tabs, installing apps, trying everything out and I've been having a ball! (I haven't rooted yet because I don't want any hassles when the OTA's rain down from the heavens!)
Although I really like my Xoom and I can't wait to see where this all goes, I can't help but think that I could return it to Costco and pick up a pretty nice laptop with gigs of ram, a huge hard drive and the ability to do anything I wanted.
Today, my Droid can do more than my Xoom can.
I know this will change but even when all of the upgrades are complete, it will still be an Android phone on steroids. (flame suit on).
So I ask you for your opinions, input and thoughts.
I have 90 days to decide.
Thanks in advance for your time.

You, sir, have an awesome wife!

The device capabilities are there to do everything you want and more, however the success of the device and the platform large hinges on the developers. As we have seen with the android phone sphere, (lame quote time) "If you build it, they will come" or at least that is what motorola, samsung, lg, htc...etc are betting on. Honestly its hard to say if in 90 days if you will see delivered what everyone expects of an android tablet from the apps standpoint. There would be no shame in returning and waiting for the development of the android tablet scene if you aren't willing to wait. I can say I am definitely invested in for the long haul and see a bright future ahead.

The end of an adventure.. the new beginning of another..

Everything has an ending, and so does my adventure with my beloved Nexus S. I have never had a boring moment with this phone from the first day I bought it on December 16, 2010. It was my first true smartphone ever (I didn't consider my Blackberry Perl was the true smartphone), and boy.. was I glad I made the right first choice with the OS and the phone. I have always been a big fan of open source, and Android was just what I looked for. Having looked at the Nexus One (almost went for it), Samsung Vibrant, Samsung Epic 4G, and then the rumors about the NS came out. My patience to wait paid off. Got it on the first day it came out.
A tinkerer at heart (been a tinkerer since the Moto RAZR and their P2K proprietary OS), I wasn't content with the stock GB on the NS. Googling.. Gooling.. Recovery.. Clockwork Mod... Bootloader.. Flash.. Risk of bricking.. What the heck are those? Then I found MIUI ROM pretty screenshots. I was sold (a sucker for pretty UI :laugh: ).. More Googling.. Gooling.. Got my NS bootloader unlocked with the help of the guides at nexusshacks.com. Flashed CWM... Accidentally wiped out the sdcard when I meant to wipe/factory reset (expected nub mistake...).. Then flashed MIUI.us ROM.. Rebooted.. Waited for good 15 mins.. Still looking at the boot animation.. Time to pull the batt (or so I was told in all the Googling).. But the anim disappeared.. a brand new UI.. ran to the fridge and grabbed a cold one.. set up wizard was a breeze.. Flashed update every Friday. Tried gazzillion themes to my heart content.. MIUI ROM was my only ROM until ICS came out.. I switched to AOKP/CM9.. then chose AOKP as the daily driver until today.
My many thanks to all the tireless and awesome devs for making Android more versatile. My thanks go to MIUI.us devs, awesome kernel devs: morfic (Trinity), mathkid (Matr1x), thalamus, bedalus (Marmite), CM devs, AOKP devs, XDA devs and members for all your great support.
Enough ranting.. Now the reason for my goodbye... I ordered the GS3 today and it's expected to arrive next week. I will have new things to deal with this new adventure (flash counter, triangle away, two scary things I read so far about this phone).. My brother will use my NS. I will still stay around this forum for a while, but the visit frequency will be less.. Good luck to everyone! Long live the NS!

You will probably have less flashing with the S3 as its not a Nexus devices and roms are as high quality and it don't get the latest version as soon, but since its so fast you will be able to flash quicker. Overall its a good phone and you will enjoy many aspects of it like the camera, notification led and quadcore 'GPU' (assuming you're getting the international version).
For flash counter, its not really a problem, you can use Chainfire's triangle away app. I think flashing stock odin images reset it also, or at least it did for me. Samsung devices use Odin so its very easy to restore the phone from software bricks. The main thing is getting used to MTP transfer mode which sucks compared to UMS mode.
My advice is to use double screen protector and always have it in a case.

Finally moved on from the Dinc, BIG THANKS!

I ran the "WIFI Only" script on it yesterday. And as I was restoring a nandroid (used a stock based ROM for use of EPST) back to my normal ROM, I saw an article on Android Central that an Update was pushed a couple days ago from Verizon to fix random reboot issues.
HA! That made me laugh. My phone has been so remarkably stable for over the last year+. I mean REALLY stable, folks. I'm talking months on end without a reboot (random or otherwise)!
Which made me think I ought to pop on here and express my sincere thanks to the Devs here.
My Dinc is still running my modded and tweaked inc-dec-gingerbread-v1.3 (by kushdeck)...with Incredikernel (chad, tiny)...ext 4 no-data-limit (jermaine, tiny)...
Tiny, Chad, kushdeck, CM team, pons, cmlusco, ihfpt69, joelz, jermaine, nils, condemned, lou, doug, ... this list would be so long if I would remember ALL of the devs whose work has benefited me. Simply put, if you have been a dev for Dinc, I thank you! You almost certainly were helping the other Devs... which ended up helping me more directly. Open source baby, that's the way it software ought to be developed!
And I should thank all of the other "common users" here too. People like me, who regularly post questions and answers, test, provide feedback and opinion, report bugs and even solutions to them. You all have helped me a TON too.
THANK YOU ALL. You made my experience with my Dinc much better.
I'm now using a Nexus 4 (T-mobile $30 per month plan). It's bootloader-unlocked, and rooted, and still runs with stock ROM. Without a doubt, the Nexus 4 is a nice step-up in hardware. But, the truth is, I'm kind of underwhelmed with it, I miss some of the software tweaks and mods my Dinc has. Not that there is anything that I have to complain about with the Nexus 4... really. It's just that my Dinc, with custom EVERYTHING still does its job very well. I'll be giving some custom ROMs and Kernels a try in the not too distant future, without question.
The biggest advantage to using the Nexus 4 is the $42 dollars EVERY month that stays in my pocket as opposed to ending up in the pocket of Verizon. That's just my savings... then there is the savings from my wife too! Almost a thousand dollars, per year, saved by making the switch. Money talks.

Custom ROMs - when?

Now that we have unlock, custom bootloader and root, when will we start seeing custom ROMs for the MPE?
Are we waiting for Google or Moto to release the factory ROM file? Any guesses on timing?
I am excited to see all the wonderful customization that can be done for this developer friendly phone!
My 64GB MPE is scheduled for delivery by October 1. Ordered on Sept 10. I doubt this schedule will be met since there seems to be shortage of 64GB phones.

By the time you get your phone we should have something. Devs got one booting. Bunch of bugs though. In do time.

Builds are being tested. It shouldn't be too much longer.

I've done one, pretty stock just deodexed etc and some minor mods. If I get a chance to work on it should be available in a day or 2

Phone is at my doorstep today. Tonight I will be unlocking the bootloader, installing TWRP, backing-up the default image, rooting and installing Xposed.
I was hoping to have a custom ROM, but am fine with waiting a bit for the magic to happen.

I'm not convinced this device is going to see a ton of development unfortunately. WIth Moto supply issues, lots of complaints about heat with the GPU and very poor battery life if the GPU gets used in almost any capacity I think it scared a good number of people off. We've had root almost from the start and there has been very little activity thus far, with the nexus coming and more people than I remember talking about sending units back I'm thinking if you really want dev support you should consider getting on the nexus.
I'm not convinced with the changes Leno made at Moto that we are even going to see updates in a timely manner. Its causing me to seriously consider returning my device once I get it. Ordered on 9/3 and still don't have the stupid thing. I have the nexus p on order as well which can be cancelled online like a real retailer should i change my mind.
I'm sure the pure will have a few roms to flash maybe even CM in some capacity but I'm not convinced it will ever really take off. Just my opinion which obviously take with a grain of salt.

Aridon said:
I'm not convinced this device is going to see a ton of development unfortunately. WIth Moto supply issues, lots of complaints about heat with the GPU and very poor battery life if the GPU gets used in almost any capacity I think it scared a good number of people off. We've had root almost from the start and there has been very little activity thus far, with the nexus coming and more people than I remember talking about sending units back I'm thinking if you really want dev support you should consider getting on the nexus.
I'm not convinced with the changes Leno made at Moto that we are even going to see updates in a timely manner. Its causing me to seriously consider returning my device once I get it. Ordered on 9/3 and still don't have the stupid thing. I have the nexus p on order as well which can be cancelled online like a real retailer should i change my mind.
I'm sure the pure will have a few roms to flash maybe even CM in some capacity but I'm not convinced it will ever really take off. Just my opinion which obviously take with a grain of salt.
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I really hope the openness of this phone draws development. I went with this over the N5X due to the memory card slot. Plus, my wife will kill me if I'm ordering a third phone in four months time.

spotmark said:
My wife will kill me if I'm ordering a third phone in four months time.
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Hahaha, I'm in the same boat brother.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this phone gets some love from the devs. To be honest though, I'm pretty satisfied with it with just xposed mods so even if it doesn't make huge waves, I think I'll keep it.

dclutter1 said:
Hahaha, I'm in the same boat brother.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this phone gets some love from the devs. To be honest though, I'm pretty satisfied with it with just xposed mods so even if it doesn't make huge waves, I think I'll keep it.
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Yeah, I don't know if I can live with just 32gb.

spotmark said:
Yeah, I don't know if I can live with just 32gb.
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Oh, that sucks.
Luckily, I'm fine 16 + 32gb card.

I'm just thinking out loud but I don't see the new Nexus being worth the money. No sdcard is a real killer for me. The camera probably won't be that great. Hopefully an update will fix some of our camera woes. I could care less about a fingerprint reader. I'm hoping some developers will not be crazy about the new Nexus and switch over to this phone. Hash is working on the CM but I have not heard anyone else say they planned on doing much with this device. Hopefully after the dust settles on the Nexus launch we might get more developers. This phone is a dream for many users and developers with the ability to be unlocked. Lenovo dropped the ball not giving this "Developer's Edition" status. I'm really pleased with it so far for the money.

dclutter1 said:
Oh, that sucks.
Luckily, I'm fine 16 + 32gb card.
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Yeah, I went with 32gb, and a 64gb card. If the new Nexus had a 64gb model, it would help sway me, but I'm going to have to think long and hard with 32gb being the largest.

I've been working hard on a custom rom for this but it's having trouble booting. And I'm not the only one with this problem.
Coming from Samsung devices where I have done many custom roms this device is a little trickier. I'll get there but at the moment its a pain.
I have no problem restoring a backup though so I may just create a nandroid (minus the data) that users can flash via restore for the time being

Keep at it, it will come eventually.
-Funk

Aridon said:
I'm not convinced this device is going to see a ton of development unfortunately. WIth Moto supply issues, lots of complaints about heat with the GPU and very poor battery life if the GPU gets used in almost any capacity I think it scared a good number of people off. We've had root almost from the start and there has been very little activity thus far, with the nexus coming and more people than I remember talking about sending units back I'm thinking if you really want dev support you should consider getting on the nexus.
I'm not convinced with the changes Leno made at Moto that we are even going to see updates in a timely manner. Its causing me to seriously consider returning my device once I get it. Ordered on 9/3 and still don't have the stupid thing. I have the nexus p on order as well which can be cancelled online like a real retailer should i change my mind.
I'm sure the pure will have a few roms to flash maybe even CM in some capacity but I'm not convinced it will ever really take off. Just my opinion which obviously take with a grain of salt.
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It'll have more than a few ROMs. Being that it's the same phone across the board, it'll have more development than nearly every other phone (other than the Nexus devices, obviously). I have absolutely zero worry that lack of development will be an issue for the Pure. The complaints you see around here most likely won't scare devs off. They're smart enough to know you get that with almost every phone.

not-i said:
I've been working hard on a custom rom for this but it's having trouble booting. And I'm not the only one with this problem.
Coming from Samsung devices where I have done many custom roms this device is a little trickier. I'll get there but at the moment its a pain.
I have no problem restoring a backup though so I may just create a nandroid (minus the data) that users can flash via restore for the time being
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Cheers bro lots of people counting on you
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When? Now, cm running here very well. Any doubters out there, devs hustled and already an excellent first pass!

I am with i-not comments
We have done a deodexed, some mods, but flashing a fresh rom leaves us bootign stopping on Animation,no matter what we have tried so far.
So i can tell you i-not and myslef have been workign on ROM's.
Never promise if, or when folks...

Gunthermic said:
I am with i-not comments
We have done a deodexed, some mods, but flashing a fresh rom leaves us bootign stopping on Animation,no matter what we have tried so far.
So i can tell you i-not and myslef have been workign on ROM's.
Never promise if, or when folks...
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Glad to see so many familiar names committing to this phone. I love your blue themes.

When its ready... I think.
Yeah~

Having alot of fun, wanted to say "thanks!"

Hey gang,
New to the XDA community, and wanted to show my appreciation for all of the hard-work and dev that has gone into allowing people like myself to experiment and tinker with the new fire tablet (and for 50 bucks who wouldn’t?)
I've been having a lot of fun these last few weeks troubleshooting, rooting, flashing and everything in between (even bricking and bringing back to life)- its been a great exercise as i haven’t done any heavy modification in the hardware/software realm since my days doing Nintendo DS homebrew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS_homebrew ; and rooting that beast required shorting out the mobo with tinfoil, so this was a less painful process all around.
so after spending the last few days running CM12.1 ; im absolutely thrilled to see how zippy this little device is. Amazons flavor of android was "okay" at best, but this is outstanding and dare I say, lean.
looking forward to future developments and seeing where i may be able to chime in, and what i may be able to flash in the future!
thanks guys,
D

Nice post bought 3 of them one for myself and 2 more for my siblings. Have mine rooted and running SlimLP. Planning on blowing away fireos and have them all on Android seeing Amazon is complicating the process if you get the update.
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