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Hi all, just nabbed a 7.7 today moving away from the p1000. I started playing around with the camera and I immediately noticed some oddities especially when switching to video mode set at 720p quality.
Below are screenshots taken with my SGS 2, where I placed the tablet stationary at a certain distance from my printer and tested different resolution settings on the camera, while maintaining the tablet in same position at all times.
First a test with the picture mode, the distances between 480p and the highest quality isn't very noticeable but it's there,
480p
Highest quality with widescreen
This, I have no problems whatsoever, taking pictures still feels the same as the p1000 and that's good because I'm used to that.
Next is where I am really confused. When switching to video mode, I noticed the entire printer seems to be zoomed in closer and the graininess has increased drastically (I suspect the increased in graininess comes from zooming too close to it). I have checked everywhere in the menu to look for zoom settings but alas, after googling around the tablet's default camera app doesn't support zoom at all. Which brings me to an even bigger problem, as it just feels out of place when everything is zoomed in whenever I wanted to take a video recording. After turning down the quality to 480p, it felt so much better with the distancing between the object and the camera. Pics below will show the comparison between both settings,
480p video
720p video
Is everyone else having this same oddity with their camera as well? I hope its not a 'normal' thing cause I'd be hating it immensely (just using 480p mode in the meantime) :|
any kind sgt owners willing to test this out for me and give a feedback?
at least I could pinpoint if its a hardware or software problem, if its different between other tablets.
I am having the same problem. I was wanting to use my 7.7 as a uStream live streaming device for some of our company events, and because of this problem, I am using my phone instead, which sucks because phone calls can interupt!
Anyone else notice vid camera zoomed all of the way in, with no other way to zoom out. Is there a fix?
I have never used 720p video recording before, but after reading this thread I just tried it. Same problem as reported. On 480p everything works fine, but on 720p vid is zoomed in alot. Also quality is way worse than on 480p.
I guess without this thread I would have never noticed that, but this is indeed a huge bug that should not happen on final software for an expensive device like this.
It is advertised with hd video recording after all...
thanks guys for the feedback!
I was almost tempted to try another firmware but with different SGT 7.7's out there affected by this bug, it needs to be reported.
I am pretty sure it is a software problem which is causing the camera to zoom in on HD mode (digital zooming is possible with third party software as I have tried it)
Also, because it is always digitally zoomed in, the quality/graininess will be a lot worse, this is what every tab 7.7 owner will be looking at.
Could anyone guide me to report this directly to Samsung? I'm hoping its fixed before official ICS!
bump, anyone else having the same issues with their camera just give a feedback here.
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Also the text is cut off in settings when in landscape.. geez
I have the same issue. Tried using a video recorder app off the market and it would digital zoom 720p and 480p so that wasn't any help.
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mgleed said:
I have the same issue. Tried using a video recorder app off the market and it would digital zoom 720p and 480p so that wasn't any help.
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yeap great feedback
please guys, I am sure this is a worldwide problem for every sgt 7.7 out there,
the default factory setting on the camera is broken
need some experts on this issue and if there's a possible fix
Anyone running XXLC3 rom from mars? Since im still on XXLA4, but i have deodexed XXLC3 rom, so later these evening i'll test the latest camera to see how far this bug goes..
anyone with the new official ICS rom be able to test the camera out to see if they resolved this problem in a stealth fix?
my tab's with mum so I can't try it
I will forever be in your debt
Just installed open Austria ICS and the bug is still there
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Just installed open Austria ICS and the bug is still there
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wow that sucks ! I dont have the sgt 7.7 with me but this is too serious to be overlooked
i guess based on the amount of responses in this thread most of the tab owners never really cared about 720p video recording
this is my FINAL samsung android product... I feel that they have dropped the ball this time, their pinnacle being SGS 2 and I will always remember the younger days when samsung was focused on something good,
now they are just releasing products like different branded cereal without even tasting them first.
someone explained this one to me before since I hate the 'zoom' effect of the screen as well, but as per his explanation, this could be due to the camera pixel, we have a 3.2 on board camera, using it in 3.2mpxl snapper makes use of the whole image sensor pixel array. using the 720P video on the other hand will use only a portion of that array and the software automatically fill the screen. I don't have an explanation regarding the full screen, un-zoomed 480P though,
I dont find this as a problem but if we can just have this adjusted (zoom in and out) it would be much better
Sammy juat stopped caring about their tabs. Gs3 is making sales targets. Thats good enough for them. Too bad! 7 inch market is super competative. If they dont act fast they will lose just like blackbery and their underdeveloped playbok
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haksam said:
anyone with the new official ICS rom be able to test the camera out to see if they resolved this problem in a stealth fix?
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I am so angry I'm considering ditching Samsung. ICS finally arrived in the UK via Kies a couple of days ago. I didn't have this issue with Honeycomb but now with ICS my P6800 video camera, when in HD mode displays a zoomed image. The only reason I;m not ditching it right now is because of the SuperAMOLED screen - the same reason I paid silly money for it when I could have gotten a Nexus.
I have done some recherching and found out this is not a bug! Many devices have this. I'll try to explain what happens:
If you record videos in HD, your device has to downscale the video to show it to you on display while at the same time saving it in HD resolution and keeping the promised frame rate. This needs too much processing power, framerate would just drop. So they use a little trick: If you don't downscale the preview but only show a small part of what the sensor gets you save alot of processing power. But on the other hand it gives you the noticed "zoomed-in" look, also the image quality is less because it does not use the whole sensor (like it would on a still).
The saved video should look normal (not zoomed-in).
Hope my english is not too bad so you can understand what I mean
Camera ics + doesnt zoom in when recording ^^
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I have done some recherching and found out this is not a bug! Many devices have this. I'll try to explain what happens:
If you record videos in HD, your device has to downscale the video to show it to you on display while at the same time saving it in HD resolution and keeping the promised frame rate. This needs too much processing power, framerate would just drop. So they use a little trick: If you don't downscale the preview but only show a small part of what the sensor gets you save alot of processing power. But on the other hand it gives you the noticed "zoomed-in" look, also the image quality is less because it does not use the whole sensor (like it would on a still).
The saved video should look normal (not zoomed-in).
Hope my english is not too bad so you can understand what I mean
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Tried recording but when playing back its the same image quality as recording it does not change
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Standard poor copy-paste response from Samsung, which appear not to acknowledge that the device isn't a telephone:
Thank you for contacting Samsung and I have pleasure in providing the following assistance.
I’m sorry you are having issues with your device after upgrading the firmware. I can understand your frustration about this.
Old systems settings can be left on the phone after an update occurs, which is why we usually recommend a full factory reset after updating. If this isn’t done your device may begin to give false readings from system resources, or experience technical problems, which may explain the issue you are having.
We would advise on doing the following, which is designed to reset the settings on your device. Please back up your device using Samsung KIES before you do this.
1) Remove the battery for at least 40 minutes, put the battery back in and allow it to fully discharge. Afterwards, perform a full battery charge with the device turned off. Do not interrupt the charging process.
2) After the battery is fully charged, we would like you to perform a full factory reset, which can be done via Settings > Backup > Reset.
This process will reset your device, remove old system files that are no longer needed and enable your device to operate normally again.
Please let us know if your device continues to experience problems after the reset so we can investigate further.
If you require any further assistance, please contact Samsung again and we will be more than happy to help.
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boelze said:
I have done some recherching and found out this is not a bug! Many devices have this. I'll try to explain what happens:
If you record videos in HD, your device has to downscale the video to show it to you on display while at the same time saving it in HD resolution and keeping the promised frame rate. This needs too much processing power, framerate would just drop. So they use a little trick: If you don't downscale the preview but only show a small part of what the sensor gets you save alot of processing power. But on the other hand it gives you the noticed "zoomed-in" look, also the image quality is less because it does not use the whole sensor (like it would on a still).
The saved video should look normal (not zoomed-in).
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I must respectfully disagree. If that were the case then the behaviour should have been the same prior to the ICS update. Also, when copying the video off the device and playing it back on a FullHD capable device the quality is still poor.
Hi there.
I've been thinking about buying the Tab 2 10.1 or the Note 10.1 but I'm in a bit of a struggle witch one I should go for
because I'll be using it a quite with Skype on the go with my family and I was wondering the quality through the front camera.
I know the Tab 2 has only a VGA and the Note has 1.9 MP but there is a bit of a price difference on those two tabs.
So my questions are witch one should I go for and how is the video quality on the front camera on the Tab 2?
I'll also use the tab to surfing the web, email, little note taking, watch movie and listening to music
Thanks
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get the note, if you are going to be a power user, i.e. work, making documents, etc.
get the tab 2, if you are going to just goof around.
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Note of course quad core processor and better specifications overall
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Note of course quad core processor and better specifications overall
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And a bigger price tag to go with it.
A higher resolution video stream is going to require a lot more bandwidth to use on both ends. Also, isn't the important thing just being able to see the other person clearly? What is the need for a high resolution camera for video chat? In the limited use I've given my FFC, it looks good enough. I'd never replace a normal camera with it, but I feel it would be fine for video chatting.
It depends on your use , if you want to use it as primary device or just for light surfing and chatting
I think the life span or period note will stay with you will be more as better specifications may mean you will not need to change it soon, but it depends on the software updates , when will it stop officially and unofficially
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Hi there again and sorry for late response but I've been busy in work.
Thanks for the replies. I think I'm leaning towards the Note 10.1 but still not sure. It's a difficult one for me. I think I'm mostly affraid that if choose
the Tab 2 I'll maybe regred not spending more and get the higher spec. tablet or if choose the not I'll regred spending too much on something I
didn't really need. The tablet will be a primary device and replacing my laptop in a way, of course not fully as the tablet doesn't support
everything a laptop or a PC does, but mostly.
If I decide on the Note I know I will not be using the S-Pen very much but I like the fact it can split the screen and use 2 apps at once because I
like surfing the web while I'm watching a episode or movie.
I will be video chatting mainly on my home wifi but also some on cellular connection and of course, like someone pointed it out, the most
important goal is for the other person to see me clearly.
I went to the local store to play with both tablets and checked out the difference between both front cameras and there is a big quality
difference but the quality in the camera app is not the same as when you are chatting through a video call through the internet and that was the
reason why I asked about the quality on Tab 2 front camera.
Just as the title says, is it possible to get audio latency down to something acceptable for music apps (<15ms)?
From what I found, there are some "fidelity" mods for other phones (Nexus 4 or Xperia Z) that enable latency around 5ms on these devices? Is it also possible on Galaxy S4?
Example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621914
sanshinron said:
Just as the title says, is it possible to get audio latency down to something acceptable for music apps (<15ms)?
From what I found, there are some "fidelity" mods for other phones (Nexus 4 or Xperia Z) that enable latency around 5ms on these devices? Is it also possible on Galaxy S4?
Example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1621914
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yeap, im also looking for a fix, lets hope this will be implemented on kitkat. still way far from ios in terms of latency.
Hi,
So i recently got a s5 and unfortunately the slow motion feature on the s5 camera is not in the same level of functionality as its compitotors, like the z2 or m8 (and iphone 5s). I wanted the ability to record the video at the higer fps and then edit which part i wanted in slow motion.
The m8 does this, although cuts the sound (which im actually fine with), and the z2 also does this but keeping the sound and slowing it down also.
So my question or request is: Is there a app, mod or the possibility of one, or even a port of the z2 camera recording( i have seen some features of xperia cameras imported, but not this one), that will do this on the s5?
A user here on the forum suggested to me the app reAction, which does have the slow down effect, but it doesn't slow down a lot and not in the speed that i would like.
Thank you!
No one? :/ what i wanted basicly is an app that records 120fps but can also play it back at regular speed or that doesnt process it to slow down and so i can at least do that in the computer (i guess this is more of a question than request). Or maybe a way to do this with the samsung camera app and a mod, because its in the app that the slow down is made after shooting from what i understood.
What i would really like is a port of the z2 camera or to functions like it or even the m8 that lets you edit. the speeds after. Is a port of any of those possible at all?
Same here. I'm looking for that kind of app. Nothing found yet
I actually just found an app today that it kinda does this, but at the same time it doesnt.
Its called kinemaster and its a video editor that lets you edit the speed of the video and select/make cuts on the video and then slow does down. Problem is that it can only do that with videos of 30fps, even if you have a higher fps video it either wont read it or just give you a message that will scale it down to 30fps. The end result isn't bad but its not really the same thing.
Also, the app is free on the play store and they used to have a paid and free version but now switched to free version but with a subscription a month and what that will do is remove the water marker that the app puts on the corner of the video in the free version. So, it kinda does it but at the same time it doesnt.
It would be much better for the end result to just have a app that would either edit or record it with higher fps and then we can edit that file on the phone. Something like the iphone 5s, or even in the android world the m8 and z2 do(z2 even keeps the sound and slows it down also, but if we could get this even without sound would be great).
The one I found, that of course is not same as having the port from Z2 that it's much easier and faster, is AndroidStudio. Check it out. I always use this one to slow/fast parts of any video
Thanks for the suggestion! I tried it and its indeed easier to select which part is slowed down and it doesn't give that watermark on the videos.
Still not the same as on devices like z2 or m8 (not to mention iphone), but at least is something. I have been looking online, especially on xda which is more reliable, to see if there is a port of the feature of any of these, especially the m8 since some apps were already ported, but no luck.
We would probably need both the camera app and gallery of the m8. From the z2 i think just the camera would be enough since from what i have seen that edit is done there after recording.
I still don't get why Samsung, from all brands with so much features and gimmicks, would just give a video editor or something to edit 120fps to slow down some parts.
Yes, totally. I hope they realize this and they make it. If you have any news about the M8 let me know.
We need to get a huge thread going to get attention
There is a thread in the Note 4 app section where a dev was able to vastly improve the quality of the stock Note 4 app. The software is already there in this time-shift app, all we need is a dev or a few to get into it and get it working. I'm not sure where we would get the most attention but if enough of us get together and request this feature somebody has to take notice. I'm willing to start a bounty and add 100 bucks to it. Here is my thread below, if you guys want to add your support that would be great or if anyone else has an idea of a better way to get some attention I'm all ears.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...v-request-port-xperia-time-shift-app-t2958228
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There is a thread in the Note 4 app section where a dev was able to vastly improve the quality of the stock Note 4 app. The software is already there in this time-shift app, all we need is a dev or a few to get into it and get it working. I'm not sure where we would get the most attention but if enough of us get together and request this feature somebody has to take notice. I'm willing to start a bounty and add 100 bucks to it. Here is my thread below, if you guys want to add your support that would be great or if anyone else has an idea of a better way to get some attention I'm all ears.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...v-request-port-xperia-time-shift-app-t2958228
I didn't see any in depth camera review of s3 neo in youtube,but I've checked some of video sample where I noticed some pixelaration while moving the camera.But when I searched for original s3 samples it seems to be pretty ok.So pls tell whether there is any change in camera clarity in neo coz apart from certain HW changes,these 2 handset are almost similar in look and specs.
aruppro20 said:
I didn't see any in depth camera review of s3 neo in youtube,but I've checked some of video sample where I noticed some pixelaration while moving the camera.But when I searched for original s3 samples it seems to be pretty ok.So pls tell whether there is any change in camera clarity in neo coz apart from certain HW changes,these 2 handset are almost similar in look and specs.
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Searched for hours for any in-depth info about camera (sensor type & size, pixel size, iso values...), but couldn't find anything beside f-stop (f/2.6) and focal length (3.7mm). Those two values are the same as on Galaxy S3( check on devicespecifications . com).
I guess I'll have to try getting info from local Samsung customer support via live chat, and I recommend you to try that too.
Can you please post links to aforementioned videos here?
Hey,thanx for ur rply. Link for the s3 neo sample: { well xda says I can't post outside links upto 10 posts, U just googleit with search term "s3 neo camera sample" and U''ll get one with 0:50 length shot infrnt of a sea and pebbles arround there post by some Arindo Vlore}
also see the comment section there. Overal the video looks good( natural colors & all that) but U can see those annoying blocks dat makes it dirty.I don't think galaxy s3 has any such camera issue.