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N1 makes Top 10 list

I just saw this post on CNN.com. The N1 is on there. Thought I would share
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2035319,00.html?hpt=T2

Here's the direct link. Go N1!
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2035319_2033840_2033834,00.html

That's pretty cool....finally recognized for it's greatness.

Wow, like seeing some great N1 news! About time!!

Hip-hip-hooray!

N1 also ranked higher than iPhone 4. sweet... Wondering why?

ah finally SOME recognition. But of course, the ipad was ranked number 1

I'm shocked that the N1 was ranked above the iPhone 4. I love my N1, but I have to say that the hardware on the iPhone 4 is incredible.
Perhaps it was rated lower due to its antenna issues.

Old MuckenMire said:
That's pretty cool....finally recognized for it's greatness.
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You guys must be reading a different article than I saw. The one I read was more of the same "sales didn't meet expectations, it's not really that great of a phone but more of a novelty" drivel that I've seen written by everyone who doesn't "get" it.
This year Google tried (and failed) to capitalize on customer frustrations with wireless-phone manufactures and their multiyear contracts as well as the dominant tech company's brand. Nexus One is the first and only phone designed specifically by Google to take advantage of its Android software platform. Nexus One, which Google called a superphone (I can almost hear the sarcastic quotes around "called"), wasn't quite the runaway success the search company had hoped for (failure). The phone was ahead of its time but by only months (== insignificant), and even though you could buy it without a contract, you could pick between only AT&T and T-Mobile (bummer)— and you had to pay a premium to do so (the nerve of them to charge money for excellent hardware!). Still, Nexus One owners get updates directly from Google and ahead of other Android phone users.
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It seems like for every positive thing they say, there's two more negative things said or implied. "Still, they get updates directly from Google" doesn't really sound like an appropriate closing statement to an article about a Top 10 piece of tech.
Compare that with the glowing praise for the iPhone4, which was rated one place BELOW the N1:
While sales of 1.7 million units in the first three days of availability are mighty impressive, the iPhone 4's 960-by-640-pixel screen resolution is even more impressive. No competitor has been able to stuff as many pixels into a 3.5-in. (9 cm) LCD. What's more, Apple's front-facing camera and FaceTime software have finally made mobile video chatting popular with regular people.
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:-/

codesplice said:
You guys must be reading a different article than I saw. The one I read was more of the same "sales didn't meet expectations, it's not really that great of a phone but more of a novelty" drivel that I've seen written by everyone who doesn't "get" it.
It seems like for every positive thing they say, there's two more negative things said or implied. "Still, they get updates directly from Google" doesn't really sound like an appropriate closing statement to an article about a Top 10 piece of tech.
Compare that with the glowing praise for the iPhone4, which was rated one place BELOW the N1:
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Is this from cnn also? Just remember that how many people work for cnn knows how to operate a phone. they're are not tech site like engadget our gizmodo our anybody that knows a lot about tech.they only look at the sales number and write **** they want. Probably the writer of that article is an iphone 4 owner that's why he is frustrated when the n1 tops their beloved one. I'd say most of the people there own an iphone or a blackberry device.
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Loving the way they rated the Samsung Galaxy S, with its broken GPS and relatively poor performance for its hardware as #2, LMAO. Lost all credibility for it the moment I saw that.

I was a N1 user who moved on to the iPhone 4 (passed my n1 to my better half), I was pleasantly surprised that it got the higher spot! But what I find interesting is the least coverage it got on Engadget.com, which proves their bias against android and to apple. Yes Mr. Topolsky, keep up the sarcasm on your biasness - extremely shallow and I am still upset about the horrid proximity sensor which you guys never covered properly on your review.

Glad to see it ahead of the iphone 4, but as someone else said its funny to see the still negative comments mixed in with the praise. Love my N1 almost a year later.

Happy to see our precious at #5
SamUserInterface said:
I'm shocked that the N1 was ranked above the iPhone 4. I love my N1, but I have to say that the hardware on the iPhone 4 is incredible.
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I'm not shocked at all, only the iphone screen is better, but smaller!. The Nexus CPU is twice as powerful. http://goo.gl/jPZcF

What if it's not a pre-production thing?

I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.

abe in space said:
I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are?
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Simple... If certain things cause you not to like a phone then don't buy it

The review units didn't ship with widgets on the lock screen feature and multi-user login feature. Those will be in the final builds before shipment. That final build should address those issues. I think Google made a foolish mistake to release unfinished software for review.
But to answer your question, those will never be permanent so your question just doesn't make sense. The LG Optimus G, which has the exact same specs, scored well in benchmarks and battery tests. The issue with the Nexus 4 is definitely the software. And if it's software, Google will take care.
If you really want an answer, well then this is a terrible device, I guess?

Remember, people thought ICS was crappy and laggy when it was first released on the GNex

I hope for everyone's sake that these issues are only temporary.
That said along with my other concerns (LTE and storage are a pretty big deal for me, HATERS: NO MAYBE NOT FOR YOU I DON'T CARE) I am already on the fence between buying this before the holidays and waiting to see what comes next year. If there are quality or performance issues then that will push me over the edge to riding out a few more months with my i9000.

abe in space said:
I'm not saying that the crappy battery life, mediocre quadrant benchmark & terrible browser benchmarks are definitely a permanent part of the phone. But hear me out: what if they are? What if LG & Google just did a bad job putting the overall package together, and it never comes close to performing like the Optimus G?
Again: I'm not asking, "do you think it's going to be this way?" I'm just asking a hypothetical, and that's it.
So what happens next? Wait for a new Asus or Samsung phone? Pick up a GN2, actual Optimus G, GS3? Switch to WP8 or iOS? Go back to the Gnex? Stick with the Nexus 4 and ride out its shortcomings? Live in denial, cursing reviewers?
Just wondering.
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According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Hero_Guy said:
Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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That's what forums are for

Hero_Guy said:
According to one of the guys writing the review for Android Police, there's an update coming out November 11th to finalize the software of their phones. Also like another user said, their current test build didn't include certain features and even when Matias Duarte did the demo for the verge, he said it wasn't the final product. Even though its not final yet, everyone has said that the phone is second to none in speed. Everyone is stressing out over nothing.
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Awesome news. Source?

Honestly, even if.. so what? I sell my gnex 200$ buy that phone for 300$ so effectively pay 100$ for a phone that the current benchmarks are 10 times better than the gnex... I'd gladly pay 100$ a year for that kind of upgrade.

Wow. Okay. I really didn't think I'd have to say this again, but: I am not saying that the complaints are going to stick. I'm not asking for the probability that they will; other people have discussed that ad nauseam elsewhere. I'm just asking, honestly: if the worst happens, and it isn't a pre-production/software issue, and the phone only gets 5.5 hours battery life, and is beaten half the time on benchmarks by last-gen phones, what's the call? What would you guys do, in that situation? I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm trying to honestly attempt to consider a possible situation.

Its simple: N4 got same hardware as Optimus G, which means hardware cant be a reason for scoring lower on benchmarks. Since hardware cant be a reason, it can be software. Those Nexus 4 on tests doesnt have some 4.2 features yet, so you can clearly see that this isnt final software yet.
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The battery definitely should be a software issue. I have a feeling that something is causing the CPU or GPU to not be able to fully downclock on idle which is causing both the battery and heat issues. Though really, the phone should be designed so that it doesn't overheat even when it's running at 100%.

N4 got same hardware as Optimus G,
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What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.

MarkusL81 said:
What if the hardware is NOT the same?
Maybe N4 has cheaper, slower RAM, less memory bandwidth, binned lower efficient processor,...
It could very well be possible that N4 uses inferior components to enable this awesome cheap price.
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That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable

I'm on the GN LTE. It sucks but I can live with it until I figure out the situation with the N4. I rushed into the GN when it first came out without waiting for critical review. Huge mistake.
I won't repeat that with the N4. I'll wait at least a few weeks after the release to see how the reviews play out.
I really hope the N4 can be my next phone. The price is just right. I don't see any good alternative other than paying nearly double for a Note II or S III.

jacklebott said:
That's not how a SoC works though... The components are set in stone, not interchangeable
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And there could be different versions of the SoC. Was any model confirmed beyond it being a S4 Pro? There could very will be multiple versions of the the S4 Pro.

The chips have been confirmed to be the same.

We've made an impression?

Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/04/13/samsung-plastic-designs/
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They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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EnIXmA said:
They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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Lol, +1, couldn't agree more
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EnIXmA said:
They should also be concerned about those fugly buttons and the crappy touch wiz
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As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.

I read this earlier, who knows if it's true. Seems like people just throw random stuff out in the hopes that it sticks. I mean, sooner or later something they say has to be right. I have always said that Samsung should buy HTC and let them design the hardware and let Samsung do the software. A match made in heaven.

Touchwiz on the One would make me ****ing puke.

Funkym0nkey said:
As much as I dont like the look of TWUI, it is the most functional skin of any skin. I quite like it to be honest.
And I love buttons too. Having used Nexus 4 for a while, you get used to the on screen buttons as way of life, but capacitive buttons still have their own benefits. If I am to have buttons, I would rather have it the way samsung does than the layout on One at the moment.
Frankly Samsung has done the right thing this time around. There is no point in producing a phone with premium material if you cannot produce it in enough quantity by maintaining the quality.
S4 will sell on specifications and features alone. Note 3 being more premium is right way to go. S4 is for masses really.
We are all seeing how much this delay with One is costing HTC. Not to mention QC issues we are seeing in initial batches.
To be honest this whole premium material thing only lasts for few days. I am OCD about my phones, they are kept in case, I dont really care if they use metal or not. If it feels good in hand, has good developer support, fast and decent battery life, I am golden.
I am going for One simply because of curiosity. I have been thoroughly disappointed by my last 2 HTC phones (One X and DNA).
I hope One bucks the trend.
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You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense

hamdir said:
You are disappointed by the One X? Give me a break
Unless you are not aware QC issues were quickly sorted and the device is the most well and hastily supported device in HTC history, I bet you've jumped ship so early you have no idea what your are talking about
I said it again n again I prey HTC will drop the mainstream game and become solely aimed at upper end, boutique and more expensive, then we will be done with all this non sense
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Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I'm with you. Same story. Don't pay any attention to the other guy. He spews the same stuff over and over again.
As for Samsung, I'll believe it when I see it. I remember the S3 was supposed to be ceramic or something...
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What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story

hamdir said:
What things no body is saying any good things its like a joy to just bash their devices for the stupidest of reasons
Give me a break, nothing besides the initial one x software and QC issues that you can call a disappointment, sorted in just 2 months, otherwise its now one of the best smartphones ever created
No body is screwing any body it's the life long story of early electronics adopters, nothing new and nothing specific to HTC
But alas like I said if we slab any other logo on their devices it would have been another story
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I'd say battery life is a disappointment. My camera lens was scuffed within a week because of the design. My unit also had the Wi-Fi hardware defect. It has nothing to do with the HTC logo. I scrapped the Nexus 4 because of the weak glass too.
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Tetsumi06 said:
Samsung Allegedly Concerned About Current Plastic Designs
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As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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Epic post, I feel the exact same way as I have used many phones from many different manufacturers, even different OS. The folks that enjoy tech the most are those that keep an open mind and see good things in all brands, not the close minded that are stubborn, in fact they are the most unhappy.

Funkym0nkey said:
Yes,
Screwing early adopters is never a good thing. I had to go through 4 One X before getting a good one. Leave the quality issues aside, but there were and are plenty of other things wrong with HTC handsets at the moment. That is discussion for other thread. But this notion that users are suppose to shut up and live with the problems when there are good alternatives is ridiculous.
I have bought flagships of all manufacturers over years. All of them. All HTC flagships since their first android. All Samsung and LG and even current flagships from xiaomi and Oppo. At this moment I have 5 flagship devices from 5 manufacturers with me. Mobiles are my passion. But I don't get attached to manufacturers blindly. I give fair shot to them. And the good ones end up being my daily driver. I still keep phones for few months on hope that company might turn things around or the xda development scene might get exciting for that device. And thanks to my business I do need to own multiple phone lines. So no, I have given HTC enough money and time and I am giving it to them again as I have Dev edition on preorder.
That does not mean I will be good little fanboy and say only good things about them.
From my Droid DNA, right in your face....
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I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.

MohJee said:
I agree completely. Loyalty is the quality of the ignorant consumer. The smart consumer is never loyal to any brand; he goes to whichever product is best for him regardless of who manufactured it.
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And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.

ataft said:
And what of companies failing in CSR? Would you still buy their product just because it is the best? This is only one example. A smart consumer can also be loyal. In fact, a smart consumer should be loyal.
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Well I guess we all went way OT lol but one last point. You're right, being a loyal consumer is a good thing ( although I disagree that you should be like you mentioned, it's a personal choice). The issue is that some consumers are loyal to one brand and dismiss or try to discredit other brands or one brand in particular(definition of a fanboy), that's the issue that we are discussing.

Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.

BarryH_GEG said:
As with all news coming from "our sources," take in to account who's putting the story out. All the sites are just quoting SamMobile which HTC's lucky not to have an equivelant of on their "team." The further out the news is, the more frequently SamMobile's wrong.
BREAKING: Samsung ditches own AMOLED and EXYNOS inside new Galaxy S IV
Posted by DannyD on 23 February 2013 at 10:01
Yes you just read the title of this message right. Our insider just gave us the first official “unconfirmed” specifications of the next generation Galaxy S, the Galaxy S IV. The Galaxy S IV will no longer use the Samsung EXYNOS processor and according to the latest rumours this processor has overheating issues. Today we can confirm Samsung will use the Snapdragon 600 and it is clocked at 1.9 Ghz which is 0.2 Ghz higher than the HTC One. The Galaxy S IV will have 2 GB of RAM and will come in three variants 16, 32 or 64 GB. As the rumours earlier reported Samsung is going to use a Full HD display. The Galaxy S IV uses a 4,99″ Full-HD SoLux Display we have no information if this is based on LCD3 like the HTC One. But a couple of months ago we posted the first hint regarding Samsung’s LCD factory is ready to produce Full HD panels from early 2013. And we also know Samsung’s AMOLED factory does have many problems with the production of full HD AMOLED screens.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/02/23...xynos-inside-new-galaxy-s-iv-with-bootscreen/
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There was a real image of an LCD S4 prototype. My friend said he had seen 3 different S4 prototypes. And the article of OP also mentioned about the metal prototype of S4.
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)

Build quality goes out the window when you put a decent case on your phone so who cares man.

daleski75 said:
Competition is always good and if HTC forces Samsung to up the game and use better materials then that is all good in my opinion.
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Competition is the mother of innovation. Personally I set my top criteria when looking for a new phone: will it feel
robust in my hand. This always leads me back to aluminium (granted, 2nd criteria is: Not Apple)
hung2900 said:
And for the question about the touchwiz, I'm sure MultiWindow is the desire of any smartphone user (more or less, but I think nobody doesn't want it in their phone)
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I certainly don't want multi-window on any platform below 8 inches. No matter what res you're running there just isn't enough physical realestate (that chat-head that FB messenger pushed out is getting disabled! There's no part of the screen it WON'T get in the way)
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Why are most of Nexus 6 reviews based on Pre-Release 5.0 software

Hi,
I noticed a trend with Google products lately. Most of them get reviewed running Pre-Release software. This leads most websites to rank both the software and the hardware down. Weeks or months from now, regular customers interested in the product might get disencouraged to buy it because of the reviews.
Why does Google lift the embargo at the same time it releases the final software build? Why not lift the reviews embargo days after the final build so that the product can get better reviews? I saw this with Nexus 9, Nexus Player, and now Nexus 6!

androidi10 said:
Hi,
I noticed a trend with Google products lately. Most of them get reviewed running Pre-Release software. This leads most websites to rank both the software and the hardware down. Weeks or months from now, regular customers interested in the product might get disencouraged to buy it because of the reviews.
Why does Google lift the embargo at the same time it releases the final software build? Why not lift the reviews embargo days after the final build so that the product can get better reviews? I saw this with Nexus 9, Nexus Player, and now Nexus 6!
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It's Google's problem, and honestly software doesn't make that much of a difference. It's not going to fix the screen panel quality, slow flash, encryption etc. The biggest possible improvement will be to the camera I think.

Well wait for MKBHD review, he posted his nexus 6 ota update then said time to make a review, so his will be with the ota installed.

The problem I see with this is that Google hurts its product in the reviews with this approach. Some people might not buy the phone because of some software issues that were mentioned in the reviews but fixed one day later in a software update. It also hurts the image of Android when every new Google product has "Software Bugs" in its reviews.

ECrispy said:
It's Google's problem, and honestly software doesn't make that much of a difference. It's not going to fix the screen panel quality, slow flash, encryption etc. The biggest possible improvement will be to the camera I think.
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pretty sure you can fix all of that with software.
Have a look at the Nexus 5 roms/ mods/ kernels..

Agreed that this is annoying. Most of these reviews state "there was a software update last night but I have not received it yet".
I honestly hope to see another wave of reviews in a week or so that review it based on the new firmware.

Because it allows fan boys to hold on to some hope that this phone won't be absolute garbage.

ECrispy said:
It's Google's problem, and honestly software doesn't make that much of a difference. It's not going to fix the screen panel quality, slow flash, encryption etc. The biggest possible improvement will be to the camera I think.
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Software means just about everything

I'm still waiting on the software update as well which i mentioned in the review. But from using the Nexus 6 thus far I still rather enjoy the device. i hope this OTA fixes some hiccups though... *patiently waiting*

JMillion said:
I'm still waiting on the software update as well which i mentioned in the review. But from using the Nexus 6 thus far I still rather enjoy the device. i hope this OTA fixes some hiccups though... *patiently waiting*
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What are some notable hiccups that you've run into?

bigf00t said:
Because it allows fan boys to hold on to some hope that this phone won't be absolute garbage.
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Lol exactly what I was thinking. But I will wait on MKBHD to drop his review and wait for some in store play time. I trust him because his taste and gripes usually tend to align with mine.

msal said:
What are some notable hiccups that you've run into?
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3rd party Apps not optimized for lollipop. Some work, some not, some issues. Occasional crashing.
Battery could be better. Hoping future updates will make these fixes.
If anything read my review too.

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Because it allows fan boys to hold on to some hope that this phone won't be absolute garbage.
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I hold on to some hope that trolls will be gone from this forum within a week.

Warning: Do not get the m9

The screen is worse than the M8 (lower brightness, worse contrast and viewing angles).
Their camera is horrible, when shooting pictures the right side is always out of focus. Even though they don't think it's the case for every M9, it says something about the QC of HTC. Besides that, the overall quality of the pictures are still far behind Samsung and others.
Worse battery than the M8, which seems to be because of the processor heating up.
And it's a whopping €750!!
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/101871/htc-one-m9-heeft-last-van-oververhitting-bij-zware-belasting.html
For those that don't know, tweakers is a very reputable tech site. It's like the Dutch version of Anandtech.
For those of you who hate Samsung, get the M8. The M9 is a straight-up downgrade.

I think I'll wait for more reviews before panicking

Still running pre release software...I'll wait and see how it does once it's actually released.

Applesexual said:
The screen is worse than the M8 (worse contrast and viewing angles).
Their camera is horrible, when shooting pictures the right side is always out of focus. Even though they don't think it's the case for every M9, it says something about the QC of HTC. Besides that, the overall quality of the pictures are still far behind Samsung and others.
Worse battery than the M8, which seems to be because of the processor heating up.
And it's a whopping €750!!
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/101871/htc-one-m9-heeft-last-van-oververhitting-bij-zware-belasting.html
For those that don't know, tweakers is a very reputable tech site. It's like the Dutch version of Anandtech.
For those of you who hate Samsung, get the M8. The M9 is a straight-up downgrade.
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Dude no offense, but looking at your forum history I can see that you have signed up a couple of days before the official announcement of S6, spend a good amount of time to praise the greatness of Sammy, flaming severely Apple and HTC, demonstrating quite good amount of in-depth knowledge without providing any sources (except few posts) and using a lot of marketing methods to influense the rest of the readers with your opinion.
IMHO you are paid and your advise should be not taken seriously
Just my two cents, I am sorry if I am too suspicious, but people do all kind of weird stuff in the name of the holy Dollar

amidabuddha said:
Dude no offense, but looking at your forum history I can see that you have signed up a couple of days before the official announcement of S6, spend a good amount of time to praise the greatness of Sammy, flaming severely Apple and Samsung, demonstrating quite good amount of in-depth knowledge without providing any sources (except few posts) and using a lot of marketing methods to influense the rest of the readers with your opinion.
IMHO you are paid and your advise should be not taken seriously
Just my two cents, I am sorry if I am too suspicious, but people do all kind of weird stuff in the name of the holy Dollar
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You can call me whatever you want. I'm just trying to protect the non-fanboys who view this forum who might be considering the M9.
Just avoid it and get the S6. If you hate Samsung, then get the M8. There is no reason to get the M9.

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Still running pre release software...I'll wait and see how it does once it's actually released.
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You're being overly optimistic, imo.
This is what you'll get at release. Software updates won't change the bad camera, overheating processor, and the bad battery life.

Applesexual said:
You're being overly optimistic, imo.
This is what you'll get at release. Software updates won't change the bad camera, overheating processor, and the bad battery life.
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And you're 100% overreacting to a phone that's not out yet. Software can indeed improve everything you just listed. Take a chill pill and wait until the phone had been out for a few weeks. Ridiculous.
I'll add that I am considering the S6 as well as the G4. But I'm not freaking out over an article or making a decision until true production units have been reviewed.

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And you're 100% overreacting to a phone that's not out yet. Software can indeed improve everything you just listed. Take a chill pill and wait until the phone had been out for a few weeks. Ridiculous.
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lol...
Okay. I don't want to crush your spirit, so I'll maintain my non-fanboy views and buy the best device on the market regardless of branding. Everyone else can keep hoping that these issues will be fixed when they won't.
- Disappointed M8 owner

brholt6 said:
And you're 100% overreacting to a phone that's not out yet. Software can indeed improve everything you just listed. Take a chill pill and wait until the phone had been out for a few weeks. Ridiculous.
I'll add that I am considering the S6 as well as the G4. But I'm not freaking out over an article or making a decision until true production units have been reviewed.
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It's not overreacting. It's trolling

Applesexual said:
lol...
Okay. I don't want to crush your spirit, so I'll maintain my non-fanboy views and buy the best device on the market regardless of branding. Everyone else can keep hoping that these issues will be fixed when they won't.
- Disappointed M8 owner
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You missed my addition that I'm considering the S6 as well as the G4. Won't make a decision until true production units have been reviewed. You're comical, though.

Go troll somewhere else :good:
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