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This really seems like a neato computer, but I have some questions that need to be answered before I buy one:
1. Can I play Counter-strike 1.6/Condition Zero on it? What about Unreal Tournament 2004? What frame rates can I expect?
2. How responsive is the touch pad? I tried the touch pad on another laptop in a local store and it had very annoying input lag.
3. Do you think that 384 kbps would be enough to play CS 1.6 and UT2K4 online? I'm not completely sure if I can get my providers Turbo 3G service on to my sim card. Also, Shift only supports 3.6 and not 7.2 mbit right? Will a 7.2 mbit sim card work in it anyway?
4. Do you think it'd support my Trekstor DVB-T USB stick? The minimum requirement is for it is 800 mhz and DirectX 9 and I really don't like being right on the minimum. I'm guessing that I'm not going to get 800x480 fullscreen tv on it?
5. How good is it with movies and recorded TV shows? Avi, divx, mpeg, wmv etc, can it handle standard definition in full screen? Some quick examples would be avi at 576x320 and wmv at 640x480.
6. Is there any chance I could get a photo of the interpolated 1024x600 side-by-side with a photo of the native 800x480?
Thanks in advance
Do not count on a extreme gaming experience on the shift.
Counterstrike 1.6 might work, with low settings and WindowsXP installed.
Like Quake3 arena plays like a charm
MY cynergy XS USB DVB stick show full screen shows at perfect speed.
Computer is monotask during playing, using anything else will slow thinks to a crawl. But I watch TV shows on widescreen everyday. Main difficulty is to get the antenna to work...
For movies, you can play any size using coreplayer.
Unreal turnament can be palyed also with a reasonable frame rate. You will have to play on low resolution, and will have occasional lags. I suggest you look for another device for intense gaming.
I'm not looking for an extreme gaming experience on a device like this, just something besides surfing the Internet and watching videos, because I can do that just fine with my cellphone.
Was that Quake III Arena video real-time rendered on the Shift or was that just a video? I'm very suspicious because I don't see anything plugged in to the usb port and I don't see him using the touch pad.
Hasn't anyone tried playing CS 1.6/CZ? I don't think they'd be too demanding for the Shift with an 800 mhz processor as the recommended spec. Maybe even Counter-Strike: Source at the lowest settings? It has an 800 mhz minimum.
@thaihugo: The "using anything else" part makes me a bit worried since I'd like to use a card reader as well for the encrypted channels, because here in Sweden we only have one decent free tv channel. That's better than nothing I guess.
You mean UT2K4 right? I didn't see screenshots of it until today and I didn't realise that it had relatively good graphics since I assumed that it had far more primitive graphics than UT3. Definitely worth a try then. I just hope that you didn't mean UT99
Right now what I'm the most curious about is if I can play Counter-strike 1.6/CZ/Source on it, and how responsive the touch pad is. How noticeable is the delay on the touch pad? I don't expect it to be good enough for a twitch shooter but it'd be nice if it's quick and precise enough for surfing without using the touch screen to click on everything.
Shift is not that powerfull
if you are interested in gaming the everun note may be a choice for you. www.umpcportal.com has tested it a few days ago. But it has probably a less responsive touchscreen.
I found that quite a number of people online were critical about Xperia PLAY, so I decided to write this to drive away the misconceptions!
There are several reasons why Xperia PLAY is the perfect gaming and multimedia smartphone, as given below:
1. Advantages of Snapdragon SoC (Scorpion Processor and Adreno GPU):
Xperia Play has a single-core 1GHz Snapdragon processor and an Adreno 205 GPU, however this doesn't put it behind the other SoC's out there (explained below)
Many people believe Adreno to be weaker than NVIDIA Tegra2 or PowerVR, but that isn't the case!
The truth is that the latter two seem good on paper and benchmarks, but their practical performance isn't up to the mark.
i. Adreno GPU is efficient and powerful:
Game developers find Adreno a better GPU when it comes to complex game effects. It handles them in a faster, better and power efficient way.
ii. Adreno is friendly to the battery:
Consider NVIDIA's Tegra2 GPU, which requires a heavy dependance on the CPU for it's optimal performance, and that reduces it's battery efficiency.
Follow the link in Techdread's thread to find a thorough comparison from Game developers' point of view.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1243036
iii. Snapdragon SoC has hidden tricks up it's sleeve
Adreno GPU and Scorpion CPU has some really cool optimizations up it's sleeve, which makes it better in most tasks than the other options.
e.g. Adreno has support for Hardware acceleration in Flash content. In a video test result, Snapdragon on Xperia Arc played a 720p Youtube video perfectly, whereas other major dual-core devices lagged!
See video below:
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/15/qua...re-tegra-2-for-flash-content-supremecy-video/
Paul Jacobs, Qualcomm's boss says that Single core snapdragon with latest drivers outperform the current dual core processors.
"Looking at benchmarking tests for our single core product, it outperforms against dual core products from our competitors,’ said Jacbos.
He added: ‘The performance that you can get is literally much more than just counting the number of cores on a chip - it about how these cores work together seamlessly and efficiently. Compared to our competitors' [dual-core chips] they use 50 to 75 per cent more power to deliver the same perfomace compared to our single-core CPUs.’
iv. Snapdragon has DEVELOPER SUPPORT
Snapdragon is widely being supported by developers and alot of games for it are being made.
What hardware advantage does any SoC give the device if it has little developer support??
How many times have you seen these words on game threads: Make this for SGS2 please!!
v. Xperia series has the latest drivers for Snapdragon and Adreno, getting the most out of them.
(vi. BONUS : Custom kernel from DoomLord can boost the already-so-efficient CPU to 1.9 GHz B-) )
2. Dual-Channel RAM:
Xperia Play is the currently the only device that possesses a dual channel DDR2 memory working at 300 Hertz. This increases the performance as data can be passed much faster between components such as the CPU and the GPU, and enables it to perform heavy duty tasks optimally, and to keep a constant 60fps refresh rate in games.
3. PlayStation Controls:
Of course everyone knows what this is about
The physical controls are of great advantage in gaming for obvious reasons.
The virtual analog controls got mixed reviews, however they are awesome in my opinion. I always find myself using them rather than the buttons.
Moreover, they can also be used for key mapping in emulators, giving a great plus value!
4. Havok Game Engine:
Don't miss out this beast!
Havok game engine has debuted on Android via Xperia Play. This helps developers make great games with accurate physics and realism!
About Havok:
Havok™, an Intel® company , was founded in Dublin, Ireland in 1998, and is the premier provider of interactive software and services for digital media creators in the games and movie industries. Havok works in partnership with the world ’s best
known game developers, including Microsoft®, Nintendo®, and Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Havok’ s cross- platform, professionally supported technology is available for the Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system, PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system, PSP® (PlayStation ®Portable), Xperia™ PLAY, Wii™, PC Games for Windows.
Havok’s combination of superior technology and dedication to delivering for its customers has led to the company’ s technologies being used in over 300 of the world’ s best known game titles, including Halo Reach, Assassin’ s Creed Brotherhood, Epic Mickey, Fallout New Vegas, Uncharted 2 , Demon’s Soul and Bioshock 2 . A further 130 games are in development. Havok products have also been used to drive special effects in movies such as Clash of the Titans, Watchmen, Quantum of Solace, Harry Potter and The Order of The Phoenix, and The Matrix. Havok has offices in Dublin, San Francisco , Copenhagen, Calcutta, Munich, and Tokyo.
5. 3d Stereo speakers with xLoud
Gaming isn't fun without good sound effects. Many people entirely depend on their headsets for gaming and multimedia, due to the lack of good speakers in the phone.
Xperia Play's speakers, especially after the xLoud update, are AWESOME. You wouldn't need to depend on your headsets for gaming anymore, the speakers really take care of all!
They are also perfect for watching movies or listening to songs.
6. Xperia PLAY exclusives and game library
Sony Ericsson has made deals with a great number of game companies, including Gameloft, EA, Glu and Polarbit. A great number of games are out in no time at all, and more are on their way.
Often, Xperia Play gets the game a month or two earlier than the other Android models.
Xperia Play also has PlayStation titles coming to it, and Sony Ericsson recently announced more AAA titles to be on their way.
Xperia Play's massive game library is much larger than Tegra's.
7. Sony Ericsson's multimedia and entertainment experience:
Sony Ericsson provides a unique, unparalleled experience in multimedia and entertainment fields. It has got a great deal of experience from Cybershot and Walkman products, and has always been ahead of the other brands in these categories.
Xperia PLAY, with it's awesome sound quality and a decent camera reflects these results. The camera, though not SE's best, is still decent overall and faster than the other Android models.
I have the experience of developing top camdrivers for SE's cybershot series, and find that Xperia Play's camera is pretty decent.
Other SE goodies like TimeScape, Facebook inside Xperia etc. are also great if you use them.
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This is enough to prove that Xperia PLAY really is what it's supposed to be - the perfect gaming and multimedia smartphone!
Imo people were disappointed because in the initial release it was laggy and it took alot of time to boot. And alot of features missing like 5MP HD or no zoom.
Hackers fixed that of course.
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If I was on any other phone I would only be playing angry birds because I hate touch screen controllers that take up precious screen realestate..
Xperia Play <3
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Cat_On_Droid said:
Imo people were disappointed because in the initial release it was laggy and it took alot of time to boot. And alot of features missing like 5MP HD or no zoom.
Hackers fixed that of course.
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Well it wasn't laggy and didn't boot up slower than Galaxy and other models out there.
People were mostly annoyed with the lack of a dual core chipset, claiming that better ones were out there. That's what most reviewers said. But in reality, there is much more to the Xperia than meets the eye
subcu1ture said:
If I was on any other phone I would only be playing angry birds because I hate touch screen controllers that take up precious screen realestate..
Xperia Play <3
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Agreed!
One inch or more of the screen is accounted for when using touchscreen controls.
Xperia Play's controls give a big-screen experience!
hasaan6545 said:
Well it wasn't laggy and didn't boot up slower than Galaxy and other models out there.
People were mostly annoyed with the lack of a dual core chipset, claiming that better ones were out there. That's what most reviewers said. But in reality, there is much more to the Xperia than meets the eye
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No not at all. Like cat said, when the play was first released. Alot of the disapointment came from bad firmware and a lack of support from sony game wise. I don't know any1 that was disapointed in the H/W. We all knew that the scorpion chipset and adreno 205 was a good match for any mobile CPU/GPU combo on the market ATM!
hasaan6545 said:
e.g. Adreno has support for Hardware acceleration in Flash content. In a video test result, Snapdragon on Xperia Arc played a 720p Youtube video perfectly, whereas other major dual-core devices lagged!
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Er... from the video i dont see how the xperia arc was playing 720p video smoothly? If anything it was choppy as hell. It was the HTC incredible that pulled off a smooth run. Do explain.
2ndly can the xperia play play a 720p video smoothly? If yes which format? mkv? avi ? mp4?
- Best gaming device.
Yes. The controls make the difference.
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
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Er... from the video i dont see how the xperia arc was playing 720p video smoothly? If anything it was choppy as hell. It was the HTC incredible that pulled off a smooth run. Do explain.
2ndly can the xperia play play a 720p video smoothly? If yes which format? mkv? avi ? mp4?
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play can play 720p in any format easly .....
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- Best gaming device.
Yes. The controls make the difference.
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
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The play has native support for quicktime formats....
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3775
AndroHero said:
No not at all. Like cat said, when the play was first released. Alot of the disapointment came from bad firmware and a lack of support from sony game wise. I don't know any1 that was disapointed in the H/W. We all knew that the scorpion chipset and adreno 205 was a good match for any mobile CPU/GPU combo on the market ATM!
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Well i was talking about most reviewers like CNET etc, they had a go at the processor and GPU.
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Er... from the video i dont see how the xperia arc was playing 720p video smoothly? If anything it was choppy as hell. It was the HTC incredible that pulled off a smooth run. Do explain.
2ndly can the xperia play play a 720p video smoothly? If yes which format? mkv? avi ? mp4?
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Take a look at the blogpost and the video again and you'll get the point.
The video whose link i posted does not have Xperia Arc, it has HTC Incredible which has the same chipset as the Arc, and it performed better than the other dual core ones.
The video Qualcomm posted at their official site had Xperia Arc, and there they claimed the same thing.
Anyway, Xperia Play can play 720p perfectly for almost all formats, best being mp4, mov etc. Others can also be played well if you've a decent video player. MX Video Player (optimized for ARM Neon processors) and Vital Player work best. Try them, you'll like it
Miles Wolf said:
- Best gaming device.
Yes. The controls make the difference.
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
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I agree on the TV out stuff, but apart from that, Xperia Play is great. Mkv native support isn't much needed, it works perfect with fast Software Codec. Try MX Video player.
Besides, Xperia has great display and stereo sound quality which most others lack. and you can still view your media files on Bravia TV via Wifi.
With a bunch of plus points, it does make up for the few limitations that it has, and it's a great multimedia package overall!
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play can play 720p in any format easly .....
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Really? I own one and cant get it to play 720p video files smoothly. Esp mkv formats.
Pray tell me which player you use?
I see no connection with xperia play in the apple website you posted?
lcw1980 said:
Really? I own one and cant get it to play 720p video files smoothly. Esp mkv formats.
Pray tell me which player you use?
I see no connection with xperia play in the apple website you posted?
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i use mobo player is awesome Look on the back of the box, it says it a quickime cerified device. That website just shows quicktime compatable formats
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i use mobo player is awesome Look on the back of the box, it says it a quickime cerified device. That website just shows quicktime compatable formats
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i use moboplayer too but even 720p mkv anime playback is laggy. I even downloaded the arm7 codec already. any tips?
lcw1980 said:
i use moboplayer too but even 720p mkv anime playback is laggy. I even downloaded the arm7 codec already. any tips?
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when your on the main screen, go into setting and set it to software render mode
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when your on the main screen, go into setting and set it to software render mode
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hmm still have audio sync issues.
Strange, I watch at least 1 720p file a week. Never had a problem with Mobo. I haven't download any extra add ons just the main app. What file types are you using?
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Blue ray quality rmvb format lags for me but it plays other HD files fine
Sent from my XPlay using XDA App.
kupo5131 said:
Strange, I watch at least 1 720p file a week. Never had a problem with Mobo. I haven't download any extra add ons just the main app. What file types are you using?
Sent from my R800i using XDA App
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mkv file h264 encoded.
Miles Wolf said:
- Best ultimedia device.
Lol no. Where's the video output (remember that near ALL Xperias have HDMI output)? Where's the HD video recording? Where's the native support for more advanced video formats like MKV? Etc.
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Those are pretty lame points. I would have gone with SAMOLED Screen, but meh.
How often really, have you or would you plug in your phone to your tv? I have a freakin computer, ps3, wii, and digital cable connected already, why on earth would I need my phone on there as well?
HD recording would be nice, but it's nothing tragic. And it's not like it's technically impossible.
Otherwise, I agree with the OP. The screen while not the very best out there, it's still pretty damn nice. The speakers is what really makes it, I can't think of a single phone out there that even steps close to the Play in this respect. I never wear headphones with this thing, because it sounds great! Be it NES, PSX, Music, Videos, anything, it has high frequency response which means full sound, plenty of amplification, very little distortion at high volumes, and because there's two of them, you get stereo sound.
When I hear multimedia, I think picture and sound. Even though the screen isn't the best it makes up for that in the audio department. It's definitely up there in the multimedia department.
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Besides, Xperia has great display
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Meh, no. It has a lot of ghosting.
The Xplay is a good device, but please, don't say it's the best Multimedia device.
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/GT-P7310MAAXAR-specs
1080p playback, 3GP, MP4, AVI, WMV, FLV, MKV (Codec: MPEG4, H.263, Sorenson H.263, H.264, VC-1, XviD)
Why can this play back all these when the 10.1 can't?
This blows. Tegra2 is old news anyway.
Im gonna sell my 10.1 and get the quad core version anyway.
The "old" tab 8.9 also has a tegra2 processor.
The new one that should come out next year has an OMAP4 1.4 ghz procssor.
Interestingly, the list of formats of the 10.1 is also similarly long:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/GT-P7510UWYXAB-specs
When they write some format is supported, don't take it for granted.
And even if it is supported, one format often has multiple sub formats.
Please also differentiate video container format (a file with a certain suffix that usually wraps video and audio together, sometimes also adding subtitles or chapters) and video codec (the format of the video or audio stream itself that is embedded in the file).
For instance h264 avc video is generally supported, but when it is in high resolution (720p or larger) only a subset of encodings, generally wrapped up with the name "base profile" are supported.
This is a limitation of the tegra2 chipset.
Other chipset like that used with OMA4 supports a more wider range. Also, tegra3 should fix this limitation.
Its really a complex area.
Is there a certain format or video that does no play for you?
If so please report which (in as much detail as possible)....
All you need to know is that Tegra 2 has very poor video playback support.
I'll probably never buy a Tegra based stuff again, considering how poor tegra 2 is. Also ICS will be OMAP native so expect slow update on tegra devices.
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Oh my god! Can you believe that this new thing is better than the old thing? I mean, I'll never buy old things again! It's new all the way for me from here on!
Wait, are you saying that the new thing got old? Why did I buy this old thing? I need the new thing! They tricked me by saying it was new!
And over, and over, and over...
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All you need to know is that Tegra 2 has very poor video playback support.
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Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
There are two components to effective video playback - hardware and software. Samsung does an incredible job with the drivers for the latter which is why if you look at the Tab vs. any other Tegra device in a video comparison it kicks ass. Some of you having video playback issues may want to look at your content and wireless connections. I had a Qualcomm-based Jetstream and returned it after a week because it absolutely sucked at video playback and wasn’t usable at all with any of the streaming apps. I’m guessing its epic fail was based on the HTC software and drivers. OMAP is next up and Samsung may use Exynos in future tablets. Until then, this is about as good as it gets.
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Oh my god! Can you believe that this new thing is better than the old thing? I mean, I'll never buy old things again! It's new all the way for me from here on!
Wait, are you saying that the new thing got old? Why did I buy this old thing? I need the new thing! They tricked me by saying it was new!
And over, and over, and over...
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^^^^^
This.
Those of you looking for future-proof in any first generation device, good luck.
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Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
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So, a high-profile L4.1 1080p video (MKV or even MP4) file play perfectly on your Tegra 2 Galaxy Tab 10.1 via the stock video player or any other good 3rd party video player? That's the first time I've heard of the Tegra 2 being able to do so.
I read on samsung page Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 have Bluetooth 3.0.
But Tegra 2 chipset don´t have Bluetooth 3.0.
It is false of Samsung (itwas same with 10.1) and they dont know their own product or it have another processor?
LTE version Galaxy Tab 8.9 will have 1,5 Ghz Exynos processor (and micro sd slot).
If normal wersion will be have exynos(1,2 Ghz) too, I will be happy(for 1080p high profile playback)
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I read on samsung page Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 have Bluetooth 3.0.
But Tegra 2 chipset don´t have Bluetooth 3.0.
It is false of Samsung (itwas same with 10.1) and they dont know their own product or it have another processor?
LTE version Galaxy Tab 8.9 will have 1,5 Ghz Exynos processor (and micro sd slot).
If normal wersion will be have exynos(1,2 Ghz) too, I will be happy(for 1080p high profile playback)
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WTF are you talking about? The bluetooth subsystem has nothing to do with the CPU.
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So, a high-profile L4.1 1080p video (MKV or even MP4) file play perfectly on your Tegra 2 Galaxy Tab 10.1 via the stock video player or any other good 3rd party video player? That's the first time I've heard of the Tegra 2 being able to do so.
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From what he wrote it sounds like the videos are converted on the fly when he copies them - and that will probably be in a format that tegra2 can handle.
If not then the original video is already in base profile because tegra2 defenitively can't handle 1080p high profile.
Baseline: some 1080p videos play, some don't - that guy probably just got lucky and did not run into formats it can't handle...
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Really? I have 2TB of MKV files all remux'd with their original frame rates and resolution. Other than the occasional frame drop, all have played well. This includes 1080p Blu-Ray movies. I copy files off my TiVo's which end up as MP2's and they all play fine as well. I stream using PlayOn and Plex and haven't had any issues there either. I bought a ton of stuff on MediaHub during the $.01 sale and they played beautifully. YouTube works fine which many complain about which is surprising considering we're all using the same hardware and software. I just watched the Twilight Next Dawn trailer full-screen in HD and there wasn't even a frame drop.
There are two components to effective video playback - hardware and software. Samsung does an incredible job with the drivers for the latter which is why if you look at the Tab vs. any other Tegra device in a video comparison it kicks ass. Some of you having video playback issues may want to look at your content and wireless connections. I had a Qualcomm-based Jetstream and returned it after a week because it absolutely sucked at video playback and wasn’t usable at all with any of the streaming apps. I’m guessing its epic fail was based on the HTC software and drivers. OMAP is next up and Samsung may use Exynos in future tablets. Until then, this is about as good as it gets.
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Can you post what apps/components you use for video playback? I am trying to compile a thread with information how to stream media wirelessly to TAB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268725
What I need is
1) What DLNA app you use on TAB? AllShare? uPNp?
2) Do you do special encoding for mkv?
3) How do you stream?
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WTF are you talking about? The bluetooth subsystem has nothing to do with the CPU.
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I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
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I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
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The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
It also comes with AllShare (DLNA). I'm getting a 3G from the UK and am using a U.S. Wi-Fi right now. I'll post what other differences I find when I get it in two weeks.
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Can you post what apps/components you use for video playback? I am trying to compile a thread with information how to stream media wirelessly to TAB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1268725
What I need is
1) What DLNA app you use on TAB? AllShare? uPNp?
2) Do you do special encoding for mkv?
3) How do you stream?
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1) - I don't stream "from" any of my mobile devices. I run a home server and it's easier to keep all my content there and then stream "to" the device(s) when I want to view or display content. The only content trapped on my phone are things downloaded through MediaHub. But anything in MediaHub is available elsewhere if I wanted to watch it on a big screen.
2) - I use DVDFab and have for years. It has its own codecs which work well but I use it with CoreAVC. I think the quality of encoded files makes a huge difference in playback and is probably the root issue for people having problems. They have a free trial if people want to compare it to what they're currently using.
3) - I have a Netgear N750 which is a fairly new high-end router. It reaches everywhere in my three story house without the need for a repeater. I have home theatre PC's attached to my main TVs via Wi-Fi and use them to display content off the server. Most of the time, I access my content while away from home. Plex is my main server/client and it does a fantastic job streaming to mobile devices - even over 3G. I also use PlayOn for accessing Hulu and network TV content. It too works really well over 3G. It has a new feature "PlayLater" that lets you store Hulu and network content (including Netflix movies) locally for playback any time. Both do a great job of transcoding on the fly which is why they work so well in a low-bandwidth and low-processing power environment.
Personally, any phone or tablet is under powered to be an effective media server. Maybe great for videos and pics recorded on the device, but anything else is a stretch until the hardware improves.
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I am not talking about cpu, but chipset. Or you know some tegra 2 devices on market, which have Bluetooth 3.0?
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Tegra2 doesn't have a specified chipset, even for Bluetooth. It will work with any Bluetooth HCI device that talks UART, USB, or SDIO.
And why do you care about 3.0? There aren't really any practical advantages. I still have yet to see anything on the market that supports high speed mode.
I am now using my new galaxy s2 with the exenyos processor and it really makes the tegra 2 processor in my gtab.10.1 feel like it is a slug. From day one I never really thought the tegra 2 felt any faster than the single core hummingbird processor in my galaxy s original. I guess the magazine reviewers overhyped it, the graphics is pitiful compared to the original galaxy s and now the s2.
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BarryH_GEG said:
The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
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So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
BarryH_GEG said:
The international Tab's have 3.0.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/mobile-devices/tablets/tablets/GT-P7510FKDXEU-spec
It also comes with AllShare (DLNA). I'm getting a 3G from the UK and am using a U.S. Wi-Fi right now. I'll post what other differences I find when I get it in two weeks.
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1) - I don't stream "from" any of my mobile devices. I run a home server and it's easier to keep all my content there and then stream "to" the device(s) when I want to view or display content. The only content trapped on my phone are things downloaded through MediaHub. But anything in MediaHub is available elsewhere if I wanted to watch it on a big screen.
2) - I use DVDFab and have for years. It has its own codecs which work well but I use it with CoreAVC. I think the quality of encoded files makes a huge difference in playback and is probably the root issue for people having problems. They have a free trial if people want to compare it to what they're currently using.
3) - I have a Netgear N750 which is a fairly new high-end router. It reaches everywhere in my three story house without the need for a repeater. I have home theatre PC's attached to my main TVs via Wi-Fi and use them to display content off the server. Most of the time, I access my content while away from home. Plex is my main server/client and it does a fantastic job streaming to mobile devices - even over 3G. I also use PlayOn for accessing Hulu and network TV content. It too works really well over 3G. It has a new feature "PlayLater" that lets you store Hulu and network content (including Netflix movies) locally for playback any time. Both do a great job of transcoding on the fly which is why they work so well in a low-bandwidth and low-processing power environment.
Personally, any phone or tablet is under powered to be an effective media server. Maybe great for videos and pics recorded on the device, but anything else is a stretch until the hardware improves.
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Thanks I posted your comments in my thread. Appreciate your feedback.
cryingfreeman22 said:
So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
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Hrm, why does it have a Bluetooth 4.0 chip in it?
http://www.techrepublic.com/photos/...53&tag=thumbnail-view-selector;get-photo-roto
cbpagent72 said:
I am now using my new galaxy s2 with the exenyos processor and it really makes the tegra 2 processor in my gtab.10.1 feel like it is a slug. From day one I never really thought the tegra 2 felt any faster than the single core hummingbird processor in my galaxy s original. I guess the magazine reviewers overhyped it, the graphics is pitiful compared to the original galaxy s and now the s2.
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I have a SGS2 also and had a G2X which was Tegra. You can't compare a phone and a tablet. The SoC is pushing 800x480 to a 4.3" screen on a phone and 1024x768 on a 10" screen on a tablet. That's why phones with the new qHD displays benchmark below their predecessors. No doubt the Exynos would perform better than the Tegra but your not going to see the same performance you're getting on your SGS2.
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cryingfreeman22 said:
So then Samsung pages dont know their own product, because GT-P7510/M16 have in real only Bluetooth 2.1.
Ok this seems on same false, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 will be have Tegra 2 and Bluetooth 2.1.
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Where's your Tab from? The model numbering system is the same worldwide but there are regional differences. The U.S. versions have 2.1 and it says so on the Samsung U.S. website.
I am from Europe and there SGT 10.1 have also Bluetooth 2.1.
But before start sales SGT 10.1 in USA(June) us samsung mobile says it have BT 3.0. After one week they correct this. Now it seems same with SGT 8.9.
Since the MHL Cable and Adreno GPU chip both supports 1080P (as evidenced by video playback), it would be a great benefit if it could also be used for Remote / Virtual Desktops (ie: PocketCloud) to link to remote PCs capable of 1920X1080.
This would allow the S3 to serve as a thin client between a 1080 TV and a remote PC.
Would it be possible to use the 1080 resolution for programs such as Pocket Cloud?
The international S3 does have a Mali GPU and not an Adreno !
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Check this sticky, work out which phone you have and which is the right forum section, then report this thread or PM me and I will move it there.
Aren't we missing the point much?
As far as I know, both Mali and Adreno GPUs should be capable of 1080P output via MHL. I'm not sure why people are dwelling on this minor detail, when the actual point is obviously regarding 1080P desktop output.
Any limitation should be due to software.
Do you people here not care about 1080P desktop output?
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Aren't we missing the point much?
As far as I know, both Mali and Adreno GPUs should be capable of 1080P output via MHL. I'm not sure why people are dwelling on this minor detail, when the actual point is obviously regarding 1080P desktop output.
Any limitation should be due to software.
Do you people here not care about 1080P desktop output?
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Believe it or not, and this might come as a shock to you, I know, but not everyone wants to use a phone as a virtual thin client...at least not in the immediate future of the smartphone evolution. Maybe when laptops, nettops, and tablets die out and converge with smartphone will we see the thin client integration in smartphones. Have a great day, ol' Chap!
Still would be a cool thing to show off on vacation at the hotel's HD TV with friends.
Hi,
A big draw for me to the Nexus Player was to be able to cast Twitch streams. An issue I have with some stream is that the video and audio get out of sync. However, after some research, people are telling me that the hardware just isn't powerful enough to drive [email protected]
Is this true? And if so, would buying something like an NVIDIA Shield TV for sure fix the problems I'm seeing? Anyone with some insight would be appreciated.
1080p at 60fps is not really that taxing these days with hardware acceleration, even the tiny Chromecast can manage it fine, and that's easily outclassed by the Nexus Player's Atom + PowerVR chips.
As proof, apps like Netflix, Crunchyroll, Youtube and Kodi are all smooth as silk @ 1080p with plenty of CPU headroom, and audio stays in sync. So: probably an app bug.
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1080p at 60fps is not really that taxing these days with hardware acceleration, even the tiny Chromecast can manage it fine, and that's easily outclassed by the Nexus Player's Atom + PowerVR chips.
As proof, apps like Netflix, Crunchyroll, Youtube and Kodi are all smooth as silk @ 1080p with plenty of CPU headroom, and audio stays in sync. So: probably an app bug.
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I posted in a reddit thread (can't direct link it, account too new) and a Twitch staff said it's a hardware limitation with Chromecast. As far as Netflix, Youtube, Crunchyroll, etc. are concerned, I don't believe you ever get streams of shows in 60fps (usually 23 or 30fps; there's no need for anything higher). And truth be told there's no need for streams to be in 60fps either (but that's not something I can control).
Still though... NP should have enough horsepower to handle it. I'll need to conduct some tests with other [email protected] videos to check whether it's an app bug or not. Really frustrating either way.
Actually yes, you're right, 1080/30 does seem to be the Chromecast max:
https://developers.google.com/cast/docs/media
Although it's hard to tell for sure exactly how accurately Android devices report their codec capabilities (Plex has this issue recently wrongly capping the max h264 profile/level) ... more testing needed!
Yeah that documentation confuses me even further. It says, "the processor can decode up to 720/60 or 1080/30". Whose processor?? Isn't it entirely dependent on the implementation (Chromecast, Nexus Player, Razer Forge, NVIDIA Shield, etc.) Is it talking specifically about the Chromecast dongle (that would be odd since this is the API page for casting in general)?
I just left a stream that's [email protected] running for ~20 mins, oddly enough it didn't get out of sync this time. I gotta look at the stream settings next time it desyncs... maybe it's a different setup that causes it.