It doesn't win, but it does a fair job keeping up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIod1fmqwGc
While they are both 64-bit chips, the Air has 3 cores instead of 2. Its CPU performance overwhelms the Shield Tablet (Tegra K1), but the GPU perf of both are very similar. Also the Air has high I/O performance according to anandtech.
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The apps that are being tested are not even optimized yet on Android lollipop or even on the Nexus 9 for that matter. People should really wait on these tests first until the apps improve and get patched.
only the last 2 apps saved the N9.
does this performance justify the N9's price tag?
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The apps that are being tested are not even optimized yet on Android lollipop or even on the Nexus 9 for that matter. People should really wait on these tests first until the apps improve and get patched.
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This is xda.
Just like the other day someone said there are no apps for the 9 yet. Well DURH developers haven't even gotten a device yet. I just find some of the comparisons silly. If you don't like it, just buy something else.
Edit: Just watched the vid. All I have to say is LOL
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This is xda.
Just like the other day someone said there are no apps for the 9 yet. Well DURH developers haven't even gotten a device yet. I just find some of the comparisons silly. If you don't like it, just buy something else.
Edit: Just watched the vid. All I have to say is LOL
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Dude that's what I meant. I am in no way prompting against the Nexus 9 I'm just saying that this video is not credible yet because apps are not optimized for it. It will take time.
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Dude that's what I meant. I am in no way prompting against the Nexus 9 I'm just saying that this video is not credible yet because apps are not optimized for it. It will take time.
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Well, at some point, I do agree with you,
but... (yep.. theres gonna be a but )
The iPad Air 2 and iOS 8.1 is rather new as-well, so can you say for sure that those app's are indeed optimized for the iPad?
I am sure that you can optimize the App's a lot for Android 5.0, and probably also for the Nexus 9 (Nvidia K1)
But, wouldn't the same go for the iPad Air 2 and iOS8.1?
I think it will.
I am not trying to bash any of these two tablets, both have their advantages.
for now the iPad wins in terms of speed (that might change, and it might not)
Who cares about the speed test versus an iPad? The price might be the biggest deterrent to some even if one is not having any issues which I'm not but what was the price of the Nexus 10 at launch so food for thought.
This is THE most scientific test ever....
No seriously what the hell. That is worth nothing.
One can have a ton of background apps running when started.
Or it can be straigt out of the sun with 70°C keeping the CPU unterclocked.
You can do whatever you want in those tests.
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Well, at some point, I do agree with you,
but... (yep.. theres gonna be a but )
The iPad Air 2 and iOS 8.1 is rather new as-well, so can you say for sure that those app's are indeed optimized for the iPad?
I am sure that you can optimize the App's a lot for Android 5.0, and probably also for the Nexus 9 (Nvidia K1)
But, wouldn't the same go for the iPad Air 2 and iOS8.1?
I think it will.
I am not trying to bash any of these two tablets, both have their advantages.
for now the iPad wins in terms of speed (that might change, and it might not)
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But that's the thing. Developers on iOS have had a year to update to 64bit. Some android developers don't even have the nexus 9 yet...
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This is THE most scientific test ever....
No seriously what the hell. That is worth nothing.
One can have a ton of background apps running when started.
Or it can be straigt out of the sun with 70°C keeping the CPU unterclocked.
You can do whatever you want in those tests.
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Keep it real..
So Engadget or TheVerge might "corrupt" their benchmark results as well?
In the start of the video, the multi tasking menu is open, no other tasks is running.
there might be services running in the background (which would explain why Sonos starts so quickly)
But I guess you're right.. speed tests and benchmarks overall are worth nothing.
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But that's the thing. Developers on iOS have had a year to update to 64bit. Some android developers don't even have the nexus 9 yet...
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I agree on that part, but it is mentioned in the video, that Android 5 is all new,
but I agree, there is no word of 64 Bit, it's a good point, and there should be a follow up video in a while.
but it's interesting so see how fast the dev's will update their apps.
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Well, at some point, I do agree with you,
but... (yep.. theres gonna be a but )
The iPad Air 2 and iOS 8.1 is rather new as-well, so can you say for sure that those app's are indeed optimized for the iPad?
I am sure that you can optimize the App's a lot for Android 5.0, and probably also for the Nexus 9 (Nvidia K1)
But, wouldn't the same go for the iPad Air 2 and iOS8.1?
I think it will.
I am not trying to bash any of these two tablets, both have their advantages.
for now the iPad wins in terms of speed (that might change, and it might not)
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It's fine bro we're discussing .
Well regarding that what I'm really impressed by is that all of the applications work instantly. In iOS you would have to wait patiently until the app developers upgrade their apps in order for them to work on the new iOS version. The case is different here on Android and that is enough to respect. In my opinion the best time to compare is after 3 months until things stabilize and calm down a bit.
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Well, at some point, I do agree with you,
but... (yep.. theres gonna be a but )
The iPad Air 2 and iOS 8.1 is rather new as-well, so can you say for sure that those app's are indeed optimized for the iPad?
I am sure that you can optimize the App's a lot for Android 5.0, and probably also for the Nexus 9 (Nvidia K1)
But, wouldn't the same go for the iPad Air 2 and iOS8.1?
I think it will.
I am not trying to bash any of these two tablets, both have their advantages.
for now the iPad wins in terms of speed (that might change, and it might not)
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You're correct, but not only can things be optimized for 64bit, but iOS has never seen a change as drastic as android 5.0. ART is an entirely new runtime, anybody remember how much dalvik was optimized and improved over the years? 2.2 froyo jit compiler? It won't affect ndk apps, but I guarantee there will be large improvements to ART, its brand new.
wow, the nexus 9 looked super unresponsive and laggy in comparison to the ipad, even though it did a good job keeping up overall.
Wait till I get my iPad air 2 and I'll do a real review. Beats iPad air so easily
unencrypted your nexus 9
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Every day new smartphones come out. Faster phones. Better phones. Slicker phones. Especially since Google introduced Android, the smartphone market has got a big boost. Before you know it, your o so special phone isn't so special anymore. You are getting more and more jealous, and then you can't resist anymore. After using phone 1.0 for half a year, you decide to buy phone 2.0, which is faster, better and slicker.
This is probably a recognizable story for some people. Still having the same phone after two years is not done. Besides, getting jealous is inevitable. The trick as a manufacturer is to create a smartphone that is special enough to last even if there are other phones that are faster, better and slicker. Inventing such feature is very hard. If you bring a phone on the market with a dual-core processor today, you can't expect it to be special after a year.
Remaining special is a very common problem for smartphones. You can't prevent phones from getting more advanced technology, but you can try to delay the 'aging' for as long as possible. People will always be complaining though. And within this forum, I've seen this attitude more than ever. For the Nexus S, the 'aging' seems to begin even before the phone is for sale. A 1Ghz processor isn't very special when dual-core's are lurking around the corner. Therefore, the most common question on this forum is 'which phone is better, the Nexus S or ...?' The snag is to buy a smartphone that will last as long as possible. This topic is about the question how long the Nexus S will last.
Faster
Speed is the most important feature of a smartphone. We don't want lag. We want fluent animations, fast multi-touching and smooth browsing. The 1Ghz processor in the Nexus S is certainly not new. In fact, the Nexus One even had a 1Ghz processor, although that was a Snapdragon, and not a Hummingbird. Where the processor in the Nexus One was something new, in the Nexus S it is not so special anymore. Yet the Nexus S is very fast, certainly faster than the Nexus One. It is the fastest device on the market, for the moment at least.
This year will bring us a lot of dual-core phones. Will the Nexus S be outrunned? I don't think so. It is already fast. There is no feature that really needs a stronger processor. Maybe battery-life will be improved with dual-core, but regarding speed, I am not worried. The only thing you need a better processor for, is games. It is going the same way as it did with computers. You don't need quad-core to browse on the web, use Google Maps or edit a Word document. The only reason computers are getting faster and faster is because of the gaming industry. It will go the same way with smartphones. I personally don't need to play big games on my phone. Why would I want that? The screen is too small, and a touchscreen isn't very gaming-friendly. Besides, I have a Xbox 360 at home. I only want to play games like Angry Birds, and Worms on my smartphone. Games you can play in the bus, train or while waiting.
I would rather see every single flash game on the internet playable on my smartphone, then better processors to be able to play games that are more fun to play on my Xbox 360. At the moment there are no features that need a dual-core processor, at least not for me.
Better
You can't be special with speed. If you bring out a 2Ghz dual-core device, you can be sure that within a couple of months somebody else will also bring a 2Ghz dual-core smartphone on the market. An option is to invent your own screen. Samsung has got his 'Super AMOLED', for example, and Apple got the 'Retina' display.
The Super AMOLED on the Nexus S is pretty good. Vibrant, high-contrast colours appeal to a lot of people. Sure, there are some (including me) who like the sharper and more realistic LCD, but you can't say Super AMOLED isn't beautiful. The Nexus S has actually two versions, also one with Super Clear LCD. This is nothing more than a pimped S-LCD, but it's pretty nice, looking at the Samsung Wave II.
But new displays continue to be invented. Super AMOLED plus is coming, as is Sony's 'Reality Display' with Bravia technology, and LG comes with the crystal clear (at least, that is what they claim)
NOVIA display. Whether these displays are really that nice remains to be seen. You can name it whatever you want, in most technologies I don't see much difference.
Is there any threat for the Nexus S regarding the display? Not more than for any other device. The Super AMOLED and the Super Clear LCD are both very good displays, and I don't see anything special enough invented in the next two years that makes the display of the Nexus S look rubbish.
Nexus
As already mentioned, more than ever people seem to complain about the Nexus S. Complaining stems from dissapointment. Dissapointment stems from expectations. And the expectations of the Nexus S were pretty high. This was mostly due to the fact that it's a Nexus, an Android's flagship. The Nexus One had the same expectations. At that time, the whole Nexus-line was unknown, but it was known that the Nexus One would be a 'Google phone'. It was assumed that this possible iPhone Killer would have top-notch hardware and would be very special. The Nexus One was a good device indeed, but not so special as previously thought. There is, of course, a small group who loves the Nexus One, and I may be one of them. But it didn't have the kind of specialty that people where hoping for.
Being special doesn't seem to be the point for a Nexus. I think it's supposed to draw a line. A Nexus shows what Android is capable of at the moment of sale, but that doesn't mean that it got to have the latest hardware.
Anyway, the same mistake people made with the Nexus One, is now made with the Nexus S. The expectations where just to high. I don't think you need the latest hardware to make a good device, but if you don't come up with something special, people will be dissapointed.
P.S. I'll finish this topic later
I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.
for what i use a phone for, the ns hardware should be fine for quite a while. android software is what i don't want to be outdated on. shouldn't be an issue with the ns.
you forget that those dual core phones wont be out for 3 or 4 months
To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.
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I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.
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It's not a conspiracy, it's called business sense. There's little money in making and selling a perfect, everlasting product. That is the reason incandescent light bulbs last only 1000 hours and inkjet printers screech to a halt after exactly 5000 pages. It's planned obsolescence.
It's also the reason I went for the Nexus S. It doesn't come with planned obsolescence. Google will keep the updates coming much longer than any manufacturer or carrier. If Samsung had updated my I5700 Spica to Android 2.2, I wouldn't have bought the Nexus S. I would even have been willing to pay for the OS update.
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To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.
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To me, it seems like you're trolling.
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To me, it seems like you're trolling.
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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?
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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?
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Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S
I agree that this is a great phone and will be for quite a while. The things that I will be looking for in my next phone, which will likely replace my G2 before this, is a better camera, 5mp is good, but not great, especially once theyre on a computer. I know some people will say well if you want a better camera buy one, and I do have an SLR for real picture taking, but the technology is there to put better cameras in smartphones and Im glad Sony is trying to incorperate that.
Aside from the camera im not sure what else could really make me think 'this phone isnt good enough'. Of course I'll still probably buy 3 more phones this year because I really enjoy trying the latest and greatest in phones but for the average person I think this phone is more than good enough to last the 2 years of their contract.
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Androyed said:
Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S
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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
One thing I see people overlook is that the nexus s is indeed a Google phone with updates straight from Google,all of Google's mobile division is behind this phone aswell as the nexus one. I dont know about you but I'd rather have the support of Google making updates for my phone first and having their Dev teams useing the phone I currently have (nexus s) than having a shiny new LG 2x with the oh so great tegra 2 which is the fist iteratation of dual core tegras and with that a little unproven and android isn't really optimized for it yet so it really has no ground apart from Smoother gaming,video play back and web browsing. In the end I would love a dual core nexus but you have in your hand I phone that can do almost everything your p.c can is that something to complain about?
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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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You think upgrades only make things more processor intensive? Check out Windows 7 compared to Vista plz.
Jeez guys.
First off. Tegra2 is barely better than the Hummingbird. These aren't super phones. They're just great. Wait for the dual core snap dragon and dual core orion. Then Hummingbird and Tegra2 will both be "weak".
Yes, upgrade from vista to 7 isn't more processor intensive, but we're not talking windows are we? I'm sure all of us here can agree that from the video that google posted, honeycomb will use more cpu than gingerbread.
Btw, we're not arguing, it's called constructive argument =)
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
yea dual-core phones are coming out but so what. I'm good with my nexus S which will do jussst fine. I can guarantee you the next nexus device will pack a dual core processor. Until then, i'll keep nexus S and purchase the G-slate.
Having used the NS for the last 3 weeks, it clearly is a step up from the N1 in terms of performance. The screen is absolutely great and the extra real estate is nice to text on, but my biggest beef with the phone is the build quality.
Clearly, Samsung and Google could have done more. I would have been happy using the NS for the next year if Samsung would have used the material of their new phone, the Infuse, on the NS.
SupaDupaFly24 said:
Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
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Exactly. And untill then, the Nexus S will be just as good as those dual-core phones, at least for me. Of course, when a new Nexus is released, it will be a lot faster. I think even after a new Nexus is released, the old ones will still get updates for so long they actually 'update' something, and don't make the device slower.
Not only you should buy a Nexus because you get updates fast, or 'normal', as I prefer to say, but also because it just works well. The Nexus S has the same processor as most Android phones, but yet it manages to be a lot faster? It's not magic. It just works well.
Until an android pure phone comes out I don't even look at any of them. I would rather buy a WP7 then a UI and bloatware.
Doesn't look like the xoom did too well..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked
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Doesn't look like the xoom did too well..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked
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To be fair, the Xoom has a higher resolution screen, so these tests are slightly more taxing on it.
However, even if the resolution was the same, the iPad 2 would still come ahead. So, the point still stands.
So what was the problem?
Is honeycomb not properly optimized for gl?
Is A5 that much better at 3d than terga?
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So what was the problem?
Is honeycomb not properly optimized for gl?
Is A5 that much better at 3d than terga?
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A bit of both, but it's too early to tell.
That was my first thought, is this a product of nvidia's drivers or out classed hardware. Have a feeling its drivers.
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Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?
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That was my first thought, is this a product of nvidia's drivers or out classed hardware. Have a feeling its drivers.
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I thought about this after posting too. The Tegra 2's GPU drivers are probably not up to snuff... yet.
Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...
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Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...
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To be fair, performance is pretty good on the Xoom from everything I read. Its not like one device completely outclasses the other one. It is a little annoying that the GPU in the iPad is just a better one than the Tegra 2, but what ya gonna do?
so get an ipad. The performance on the Xoom should be good enough for 99% of the people who bought it.
Hmm, I guess you're probably right. Performance doesn't seem to be a complaint, and I'm complaining about something I never do anyways (playing games on my mobile devices).
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Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...
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Even if the Xoom was out performed (in a meaning full way)... even if it was VASTLY out performed by the I pad... I'd still have the xoom. Its the first viable non-apple tablet (IMO) and that's all I've been waiting for.
Truth be told, I'd rather have something jammed in my pee hole than give a single additional dollar to Apple. If they have their way, the future of technology as a whole will be changed for the considerable worse. Not now, at a time where they are simply one of the driving forces in the evolution of tech, but their vision of a world where Steve Jobs controls our computing destiny is one that I'd rather not see.
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Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?
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This is just kinda funny. The Xoom is all about better specs etc. etc. than the iPad, then when the iPad wins a GPU benchmark, the Xoom people just say 'who cares about games'...
Sure the Xoom will get faster with updates and drivers (like you said, Froyo bumped performance), and there will be another set of benchmarks when that happens, but right now these results are pretty definitive...
Gotta love the strict line in the sand between the Apple and Android people.
I wonder when will Android receive decent games anyways. Half of the games are quite pathetic, while there are a few that are at least decent... Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds become repetitive pretty quickly.
Android games are time-killers. They don't hold your attention or immerse you enough to play them for more than a few minutes.
Hmm, outperformed by a huge margin. Thats bad for Xoom and Honeycomb
I think the Galaxy 10.1 would perform the same, with pretty similar hardware Tegra 2
I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.
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Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?
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I love people who THINK I'm so tired of all these comparisons and biased reviews and experiences. Remember how much Android has grown as an OS and then look to iOS and its growth/change. Yeah... none. We all chose the Xoom for a reason... we want change.
Don't worry little birds... we'll get changes! This thing is like wine... gets better with age! Although sub out years and replace with weeks
Everyone relax, the GL Benchmark app looks like it wasn't updated for Honeycomb or the Nvidia OpenGL extensions. I'm not even sure if it runs native or runs in a Java VM.
I posted this at android central where it's getting all fan boy crazy:
Well, here goes a few things I noticed off the bat.
I grabbed the GL benchmark app, and here a few indicators that it needs to be re-worked for the Xoom:
The Xoom has 27 native Open GL extensions (MOTODEV > Products > XOOM™ MZ600)
the GL Benchmark app only found 21 (GLBenchmark Result Details of Motorola Xoom)
So off the bat with the app not using all available OpenGL extensions for honeycomb or for the Nvidia platform I'd say that it's "off."
Secondly, the app even incorrectly reads the screen size at 1280 x 752.
So right now I say these needs to be updated before I got too crazy with the results.
I didn't do a cross reference of the utilized libs over the ones "left on the table" but if I get a few minutes I will.
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I'm not saying the ipad2 is better or worse, all I'm saying is the benchmark app isn't reading the info right on the Xoom.
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I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.
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i'm a bit disappointed with NVIDIA for sure. They were hyping Tegra 2 all last year, leaking slides of the performance and what not, and it cannot do basic tasks like playing 720p playback without stutter. i was even thinking of buying NVIDIA stock too lol.
to be fair, i think we all need to wait it out a bit, and see what software changes are made to alleviate these issues. this doesn't mean the end of android tablets, far from it. i guess we could wait it out for a non-tegra 2 dual core tablet in the 2nd half of 2011 (qualcomm's 2nd gen snapdragon processor, samsung's orion processor, TI OMAP, etc).
what i love about honeycomb is that it isn't hardware specific, so we'll have plenty of choices by the end of the year.
That's true. And don't forget the higher price point of the Xoom. That's make it even harder to justify the purchase againt iPad 2.
And now this benchmark, the Xoom is simply out-classed.
Of course, for Android fans, the Xoom might be the best option for them.
Probably it is good to skip 2011 and wait the next new hardware? Like the Tegra 3 Quad Core? Well, probably it will still be out-classed by the next iPad 3? Yeah, if we follow this kind of thing, there will be NO END!
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I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.
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Last paragraph is the best:
"As to the utility of tablets in general, I found more and more uses for my iPad during the past year and have come to realize its value and versatility as a computing device. Having said that, it has only taken me two weeks to all but discarded it in favor of what I consider as the “Grown Up” new tablet for business: the Xoom."
http://blogs.forbes.com/marcwebertobias/2011/03/15/apple-addicts-aside-xoom-is-better-than-ipad/
Good find. I bet Steve Jobs would take issue with his conclusions.
It was very well written, I myself still think honeycomb has a way to go.
Thread title is paraphrased...
If you read Anandtech's review of the Xoom you will notice that he chooses the Xoom over the iPad simply because it's much better at multi-tasking and feels that the Honeycomb OS is actually better than the iOS in most things. Having a faster GPU doesn't mean much if the OS feels outdated and lacking unless you're into tablet gaming.
IMO, Google has always come to market with a product that isn't finished but has loads of potential while Apple comes in with the finished product and very minor updates down the road. The Xoom/Honeycomb OS is no different than Google Search, Gmail, Maps, Android, etc - it's another platform that isn't complete at launch, but clearly capable of growing into the most versatile option on the market.
Tobias has it right here. It's just a matter of time before the market realizes what Google is offering.
Apple doesn't always come to market with the so called finished product. Very simple examples of this are when the ipad launched it did not have multitasking. Copy and paste, folders for IOS.
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Stop hating on the iPad DAM. The Xoom IS not better and vice versa. They both are incredible devices and like windows /mac is all choice! iPad 2 with its specific refined OS can run better than an OS made for everytype of hardware. So, with that said you will ALWAYS see better specs from PC'S and such. But Apple user experience is amazing. Honeycomb is beautiful but will be mass produced and hard foe the average consumer to differentiate.
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Nobody in this thread is hating on the ipad.
Why don't you go and respond to your thread about returning and switching for video playback?
Or just keep trolling.
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Nobody in this thread is hating on the ipad.
Why don't you go and respond to your thread about returning and switching for video playback?
Or just keep trolling.
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x2. this article just makes him regret his decision to return it LOL.
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Apple doesn't always come to market with the so called finished product. Very simple examples of this are when the ipad launched it did not have multitasking. Copy and paste, folders for IOS.
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Even though it was lacking some features, that doesn't mean that it wasn't finished. Apple regularly releases finished products that lack features for the reason of ease of use, etc.. There is a difference between unfinished and lacking features on purpose. Apple would rather release without features than tack them on without the individual features being implemented correctly.
Lack of features for ease of use is rubbish.
The ipad was unfinished when it launched to me period. An essential part of it was missing. If I recall correctly the ipad was the last device to get updated to support multitasking.
I am not hating or even making a argument against apple. Just saying they should not be put up some pedestal.
When they released iOS 4 it basically rendered the 3g useless. On a joking note their phones still screw up time changes.
Anyways I really don't want to talk about apple. Or participate in any this vs that crap. Just don't want to hear this apple can do no wrong type of fanboy crap.
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Lack of features for ease of use is rubbish.
The ipad was unfinished when it launched to me period. An essential part of it was missing. If I recall correctly the ipad was the last device to get updated to support multitasking.
I am not hating or even making a argument against apple. Just saying they should not be put up some pedestal.
When they released iOS 4 it basically rendered the 3g useless. On a joking note their phones still screw up time changes.
Anyways I really don't want to talk about apple. Or participate in any this vs that crap. Just don't want to hear this apple can do no wrong type of fanboy crap.
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Sorry no it really isn't rubbish. The iPad 1 was plenty useful and extremely user friendly, even without multitasking. The same can be said for any iPhone up to the 3GS before the software update. Think whatever you want, but Apple waited until they could do a seamless user experience with what they called multitasking, whether it is true multitasking or not. When they rolled out iOS 4 and multitasking for the iPad, it only added to the usability of the device.
Stop being so negative and just get real with the device's strongpoints. I'm not of the mentality that "Apple can do no wrong", but I at least give credit when credit is due. Whether you like their product launch strategy or not, they've done very well with it and I don't see that changing any time soon.
I went back to read his part 1 of the article. And I had a big pause after reading a 2nd paragraph.
Before the iPad or the new iPad2, manufacturers attempts at a tablet PC were a dismal failure. The original tablets were too heavy, too slow, the displays were hard to read in portrait mode, and they had poor battery life.
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Too slow? Wow, does he even know what he is talking about? Unless he is talking about very very early tablets that run on pre-core CPU system, then I cannot believe he is saying Core 2 Duo is slower than A5 or Tegra 2. I mean, I got like a 3 years Fujitsu T4215 a 12" SXGA+ convertible tablet running Windows 7 running on a Core 2 Duo T7200 w/ 4GB or RAM. And yes, it boot into Windows slower than those two tablet booting iOS or Honeycomb. But as a business tool, I can use it as part of my workflow for RAW conversion. It still take hours on this unit, but if I had to do it on iPad2 or Xoom it probably take days if not weeks to finish RAW conversion. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the rest of the article probably good, didn't read that far yet. But I still couldn't believe he call those system slow, especially if compared to something like core i5 or i7 that was release in 2008-2009.
I haven't posted since I got it, so just a short note of my thoughts. Since this is a related thread, I'll put this here. First off, I'm an Android guy, I want an Android tablet. I wanted the Xoom but...
The biggest number one thing that sold me on the iPad 2 over the Xoom was the screen. I thought the screen was the Xoom's advantage with the better aspect ratio and higher pixel count, but the Xoom's screen seriously under performs. The thing I wanted a tablet for was casual web browsing, maybe reading some books, and some web browsing. The Xoom's screen has a very poor viewing angle and just didn't look as good as the iPad's. Being that I want it for nothing more than media and web browsing, the iPad works out for me. I would rather have Android, but I also don't know if Honeycomb is so great right now. To me this is the first big step for Android tablets. They can compete now, but I think we need to see a better overall package and a software update before Android tablets take a step ahead, especially at a higher price point.
I think the performance is comparable enough to make that a non-factor in purchasing. Both are very nice packages with dual core CPUs and nice GPUs. The software, like I said, I'd rather have Android, but I don't necessarily know if I'd rather have 3.0, though I'm sure a few updates and community support and it will work just fine.
I mean no disrespect for the Xoom, I'm a completely unbiased tech guy, I use what works best at the time, not what company I love more. If anyone wants to get mad at me for picking an iPad over the Xoom, I'm sorry. I just wanted to post my impressions of both since I hadn't posted since I had hands on with both.
Now, when Samsung gets a Super AMOLED Android tablet out, I'll buy it the day it comes out. I think the issue is that I'm spoiled with my SAMOLED on my Captivate, so the iPad is already a step down in a way.
I liked the Xoom though. I just want to give Android a little time to mature on tablets. It's definitely an iPad competitor, but I think Android can offer more and blow the iPad away by this time next year.
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I went back to read his part 1 of the article. And I had a big pause after reading a 2nd paragraph.
Too slow? Wow, does he even know what he is talking about? Unless he is talking about very very early tablets that run on pre-core CPU system, then I cannot believe he is saying Core 2 Duo is slower than A5 or Tegra 2. I mean, I got like a 3 years Fujitsu T4215 a 12" SXGA+ convertible tablet running Windows 7 running on a Core 2 Duo T7200 w/ 4GB or RAM. And yes, it boot into Windows slower than those two tablet booting iOS or Honeycomb. But as a business tool, I can use it as part of my workflow for RAW conversion. It still take hours on this unit, but if I had to do it on iPad2 or Xoom it probably take days if not weeks to finish RAW conversion. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the rest of the article probably good, didn't read that far yet. But I still couldn't believe he call those system slow, especially if compared to something like core i5 or i7 that was release in 2008-2009.
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I hardly think he's talking about convertible laptop/tablets as tablets. Other than the fact that you can make it be a touch screen on the top of the device, they hardly compare. You're talking about an entire PC. The only thing I can't think of is what else was available that you could consider a tablet back then, because that was pretty much it. The smaller thin tablets we have today aren't really even the same class of device as the old convertible tablets of previous years. I'm not sure what he's comparing to.
Now, when Samsung gets a Super AMOLED Android tablet out,
I can guarantee you this will never happen, atleast not anytime soon.
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Now, when Samsung gets a Super AMOLED Android tablet out,
I can guarantee you this will never happen, atleast not anytime soon.
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You can't guarantee anything unless you are the CEO of Samsung. It's already been rumored since last year and they've built concept devices. As time goes and production costs go down, it's only natural that we'd see Samsung put some type of SAMOLED screen in the tablets. I wouldn't be surprised if the next refresh of the Galaxy Tab line is SAMOLED. We're talking a year or so probably, but that's fine, I don't need to be in the market for a tablet now for another year or two.
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The biggest number one thing that sold me on the iPad 2 over the Xoom was the screen. I thought the screen was the Xoom's advantage with the better aspect ratio and higher pixel count, but the Xoom's screen seriously under performs.
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I agree but if you don't have the direct comparison every day you get used to the Xoom's inferior screen. Unfortunately in this ever-evolving tech world it is virtually impossible to get "the Perfect Product". Apple's products have the unique benefit of having everything originating from the same source: Apple. No guessing what hardware needs to be supported so the software is tailored to every hardware detail. For almost every other OS out there the software manufacturers can only have minimal and recommended specs but at the end everything needs to be pieced together. It's almost as if you compare a hand-made, tailored suit from a designer to something you buy at Men's warehouse.
I personally do not see myself moving away from the Xoom anytime soon. Not sure if a Samsung screen is worth switching. I am past the time of my life when I always have to have the top-of-the-line gadget
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I agree but if you don't have the direct comparison every day you get used to the Xoom's inferior screen. Unfortunately in this ever-evolving tech world it is virtually impossible to get "the Perfect Product". Apple's products have the unique benefit of having everything originating from the same source: Apple. No guessing what hardware needs to be supported so the software is tailored to every hardware detail. For almost every other OS out there the software manufacturers can only have minimal and recommended specs but at the end everything needs to be pieced together. It's almost as if you compare a hand-made, tailored suit from a designer to something you buy at Men's warehouse.
I personally do not see myself moving away from the Xoom anytime soon. Not sure if a Samsung screen is worth switching. I am past the time of my life when I always have to have the top-of-the-line gadget
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Yeah, I thought about that too, I just think my SGS and perhaps my SGS 2 soon with an SAMOLED+ would make me sad to look at my Xoom every day, haha. You're right about it being impossible to have the perfect product. The cost of production would be too hard to recoup from regular consumers that don't care as much about top of the line. I hate to make it sound so nit picky to decide on a tablet for it's screen, but I have a limited use for a tablet, and with media and book reading, a screen is one of the most important features.
I need to stop reading the Xoom forum though before I end up with a Xoom and the iPad. I am jealous because I don't have Android, haha.
Interesting article. Author got flamed pretty bad in the comments though.
I thought this was an interesting comparison -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36gO7BuzUxs
It's very close, but the Note does edge it, as I think you would expect.
I don't see the point in the comparison, a lot of it is based on the software and given the Note is getting ics that all immediately becomes invalid. I don't see it as extremely close when the Note has a faster CPU, much faster graphics card, expandable memory (a huge omission from the Nexus), much bigger battery, better camera, the stylus and a functioning volume rocker. The Nexus is slightly more pocket able (the smaller screen isn't an advantage for everyone though) and ice cream sandwich the latter of which will be matched when other phones get their upgrades. Personally I prefer a mature Android os for now with the option to upgrade later when ice cream sandwich is past its early teething issues.
I'm surprised so many corners were cut on the Nexus particularly when the piece hasn't been but more surprised that reviewers are OK with those chabges .
agreed
Also my vellamo score was much higher than the nexus. 985
Most of the benchmarks for the note on the internet seem very low.
Well,
I have the GN now, just sold my 2nd Note. Regardless of what the specification comparison is, the Nexus is just plain faster. Yes, the screen is fantastic on the Note. I don't know if you have had time to use an Iphone 4S, but the GN is like a giant screen version. The screen and speed make it a winner for me. ICS is nice, but it has some quirks / bugs to work out.
I would love a mini-tablet like the Note, same specs and a slightly larger screen.
So not sure what you are saying there.
Do you prefer the note or the Nexus?
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That's okay. No problem. You can move along I guess then
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Also my vellamo score was much higher than the nexus. 985
Most of the benchmarks for the note on the internet seem very low.
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Others have said this too. The only thing I would say, I had to disable a few tests as they weren't compatible with ICS at this point (the finger tests and network test I think for example). Others have said this did bring down their Note score somewhat, to around 700.
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So not sure what you are saying there.
Do you prefer the note or the Nexus?
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I have to say the Nexus wins for me.
Generally, in this case the decision of which device someone wants would be more about the size than the speed and fluidity of the interface anyway.
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Generally, in this case the decision of which device someone wants would be more about the size than the speed and fluidity of the interface anyway.
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I would normally tend to agree here but for a lot of people the speed is quite important to a point where the speed makes a bigger difference than the screen estate. I don't think anyone would disagree about the Notes fabulous screen but as long as the GT-N7000 will have Samsung bloatware it will be slower than a device that's made by Samsung but regulated by Google (aka the Nexus phones).
I love my Note. I really do, but I also understand the people who
a) feel it's too big
b) feel the Nexus line more attracting
My only real quirk is the memory... how could Samsung (or Google) decide that for a phone of that magnitude 16gb (even less after the OS) is enough for people who both watch movies and listen to music on their phones.
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My only real quirk is the memory... how could Samsung (or Google) decide that for a phone of that magnitude 16gb (even less after the OS) is enough for people who both watch movies and listen to music on their phones.
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i'm sure its a good reason for customers to check out their cloud services (movies and music)
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i'm sure its a good reason for customers to check out their cloud services (movies and music)
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I have thought about this too but the fact is that right now cloud services (mobile in particular)
a) don't give 100% coverage everywhere. With this I mean that 3g/4g still has lots of places to cover.
b) the best way to stream is LTS = super high battery usage
The idea of having your stuff etc. in the cloud is very nice but it's still a few years from being implemented so that it can be used in a regular basis and without eating your devices battery flat in 2 hours. As of now internal memory is still quite important especially for music and video lovers and the new Nexus is a big fail in this department. Such a shame considering the quality of the screen
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The note is the better phone.
Great comparison ,cheers for the video.
your comparison will help if there r people who would still say that the nexus was hardware lacking , so in other words , its a proof that they r almost on par and its only the ICS vs gingerbread here that made the difference.
so yeah , knowing Samsung "promised" ICS in early 2012 , then the choice between 2 devices would be a matter of taste and more physical and design related.
Very Good ! Thanks for the Review, maybe I can find my decibel meter and light meter and send you some real tools. The sound and light aren't really all that important, in the samsung codes you can re-adjust them over max or min. settings.
Like I said before, the Note with ICS would be the Ultimate Beast... but we will know soon enough on that.
The other thing I think will tell us more ...is when we get more custom roms.... then we will see the flexibility and strength of these two devices....
Thank you once again, for the review
You can't compare a phone with ICS to a phone without ICS.
Even WITH ICS, the Nexus is inferior in every way. The 1.2ghz Exynos is outdated, it's got a weak GPU, NO expandable memory (like iphones), and a small baby-like screen.
To the people who compared the Note vs. Nexus, you obviously didn't tweak the Note.
The Nexus has ICS, which basicly means most of everything is optimized and tweaked, the Note is on 2.3.6... you can't compare the two until you tweak it.
Fact of the matter is, the only people who prefer the Nexus are the people who can't handle the size of the Note.
I agree with others...
I don't see the point of these tests. When you're running different operating systems, and you know the Note will get ICS at some point, are these results relevant.
Also, with such close scores, it reinforces that these test are rather useless. I did not expect huge discrepancies and this is what we saw.
The debate about the Nexus, and others, when compare to the Note is size and functionality. Are people willing to trade convenience for size? I don't think there is a right or wrong answer it's such a personal choice.
I'm getting the Note but it was difficult decision and I would have loved to get both honestly but I can't justify the extra expense and prefer to do something else with my money.
I appreciate the effort but it left indifferent and frankly not better informed on either device.
I have both the Galaxy Nexus and the Galaxy note and I would say that the Note is the better one of the two devices. ICS will be great on the Note.
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I have thought about this too but the fact is that right now cloud services (mobile in particular)
a) don't give 100% coverage everywhere. With this I mean that 3g/4g still has lots of places to cover.
b) the best way to stream is LTS = super high battery usage
The idea of having your stuff etc. in the cloud is very nice but it's still a few years from being implemented so that it can be used in a regular basis and without eating your devices battery flat in 2 hours. As of now internal memory is still quite important especially for music and video lovers and the new Nexus is a big fail in this department. Such a shame considering the quality of the screen
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i agree with you as a consumer. I was thinking that maybe from a company perspective, they may see it as an opportunity to attract customers to their cloud services.
although truly I believe that its more that the nexus is a reference device, and future iterations of the Galaxy S line is where the real innovations will be made - as with the Galaxy SII compared to the Nexus S of last year
im not sure if the nexus has it, you can complain about the bloatware but i know i have already got rid of mine, and prefer a little that came with it, my browser was high 900s too. i was on the fence and by far i know the GN is the better of the two choices even without ICS, with it? hmpf, not a chance
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Well,
I have the GN now, just sold my 2nd Note.
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i know the GN is the better of the two choices even without ICS
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"GN" is a bit ambiguous in this context.
U all must read this
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2014/...f-samsung-galaxy-note-10-1/#readsoruce_bottom
Enjoy...
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Yeah we all know its an awesomely fast device...well mine is lol
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There are lies, there are damned lies, and - oh yes - then there are benchmarks.
I know our tablet is fast and feels snappy. I, however, wouldn't trust any isolated single benchmark, whatever its results are. I'm sure there are enough of them with opposite results.
The Sammy is a great tablet, but those folks are eating tainted mushrooms if they believe their results. I trust Anandtech more and they show the Air is faster. That said, seems arbitrary as a comparison since not same platform. My iPad 4 seems faster than the Sammy, so not a straight comparison.
Did Samsung pay for this analysis?
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The Sammy is a great tablet, but those folks are eating tainted mushrooms if they believe their results. I trust Anandtech more and they show the Air is faster. That said, seems arbitrary as a comparison since not same platform. My iPad 4 seems faster than the Sammy, so not a straight comparison.
Did Samsung pay for this analysis?
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I am not sure where you got that info from but they show the Air has a faster GPU and that is about it. Also Apple has focused on graphics power not cpu power of late. Comparing the Note 10.1 2014 and the Air are a bit skewed anyhow due to the Note being much more than a consumption device having the S pen and apps for the S pen.
Its funny to read those comments from obvious ipad owners.
I think regardless of the benchmark "scam" from Samsung and any other makes, its pretty obvious that Note 10.1 14 generally will perform the fastest by just looking at the specs.
I bet even Note 3 will beat ipad air in those tests.
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Its funny to read those comments from obvious ipad owners.
I think regardless of the benchmark "scam" from Samsung and any other makes, its pretty obvious that Note 10.1 14 generally will perform the fastest by just looking at the specs.
I bet even Note 3 will beat ipad air in those tests.
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The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.
The note 10.1 2014 and Android in general usually has more power than ios devices. But ios has better optimization in both OS and games so in real life use there isn't a real difference that you can feel.
The note is awesome and extremely fast though. I'm completely happy. It does a very good job at psp emulation already which is amazing. Most psp games run twice as fast than on my sgs3. Games that barely run smooth in native resolution on sgs3 run at 2x or even 3x on the note! Which results in better graphics than most playstore apps... And emulation is always a good way to measure processing power (even though the app ppsspp could be more optimized).
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The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.
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I dont know about this. This can be old news as I dont see this on any of the samsung's I've tried recently.
But seriously, people are *****ing about samsung OC'ing the system while running the benchmarks.
1. Isn't it the point of running the bench? To see the full potential of your device?
2. People will ask why not on normal usage? What app uses all 4 cores anyway to the max?
3. Its not only samsung doing that.
4. With test OC'ing or not, one will be faster than the other in real life. Ipad Air maybe faster in browsing then Note is faster in multitasking, etc? Its all personal preference in the end so this argument will not end.
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I dont know about this. This can be old news as I dont see this on any of the samsung's I've tried recently.
But seriously, people are *****ing about samsung OC'ing the system while running the benchmarks.
1. Isn't it the point of running the bench? To see the full potential of your device?
2. People will ask why not on normal usage? What app uses all 4 cores anyway to the max?
3. Its not only samsung doing that.
4. With test OC'ing or not, one will be faster than the other in real life. Ipad Air maybe faster in browsing then Note is faster in multitasking, etc? Its all personal preference in the end so this argument will not end.
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Mine does have a 2 second delay tbf but I know once I (UK) get the most recent updates it will be fine but overall considering it does TONS more stuff over any tablet out there i dont mind waiting 2 seconds for awesomeness haha
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As an owner I will say that it is probably the best tablet currently on the market but it is far from perfect. Most noticeable is the lag and the bleed.
Also the tablet with most problems! I dont care if its the fastest and just want Samsung to have better quality control with theirs products.
Mininum light bleeds, touchscreens issues, battery problems etc.. Too name few problems on Note 2014 and also Note 3 have same problems.
When the devices costs this much and U expect a working unit.
Galaxy Note SM-P605
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The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.
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I can only repeat and repeat it again: only some users have this delay. Others not. So, still the question is, why you have the delay?
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Its funny to read those comments from obvious ipad owners.
I think regardless of the benchmark "scam" from Samsung and any other makes, its pretty obvious that Note 10.1 14 generally will perform the fastest by just looking at the specs.
I bet even Note 3 will beat ipad air in those tests.
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I have an iPad 4, TF300, T270, Nook HD+ with CM and a Venue 11 Pro 5130. No fanboy here, but the iPad 4 seemed faster than the Sammy that I tested but ended up not buying.
Looking though to replace all my current Android tablets with one, but waiting for the 32gb to go down $100.
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Also the tablet with most problems! I dont care if its the fastest and just want Samsung to have better quality control with theirs products.
Mininum light bleeds, touchscreens issues, battery problems etc.. Too name few problems on Note 2014 and also Note 3 have same problems.
When the devices costs this much and U expect a working unit.
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I dont know how much of the total percentage have these problems. I've only bought 3 Samsung gadgets so far, from Note 2, to Note 3 and recently the 10.1 14. First thing I check is the screen, no dead pixels, no light bleeds and any other problems so far. Haven't returned anything.
We must remember that complains get posted in threads and good things most probably are not. Are you gonna go to the complaints section if you are happy?
rushless said:
I have an iPad 4, TF300, T270, Nook HD+ with CM and a Venue 11 Pro 5130. No fanboy here, but the iPad 4 seemed faster than the Sammy that I tested but ended up not buying.
Looking though to replace all my current Android tablets with one, but waiting for the 32gb to go down $100.
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I think it depends on where you are comparing it, like what samsung model?
I dont see my sister's Ipad 4 getting near the speed I'm getting from my Note 3 and I'm still running stock/unrooted.
Smoothness in iOS and 4.3+ right now is really hard to see bare eyes. But I admit iOS have less to none micro lags compared to Samsung's TW. It becomes irrelevant when its rooted and running ROMs though, as Note 3 or Note 10.1 is really fast.
But when it comes to handling multiple apps, multitasking, flexibility, etc, its just so far apart with Note models taking the cake.
I think the new iPad Air is really good. Apple is unbeatable with craftsmanship and build quality. But I'll honestly get bored of it easily for sure.
jinda628 said:
I dont know about this. This can be old news as I dont see this on any of the samsung's I've tried recently.
But seriously, people are *****ing about samsung OC'ing the system while running the benchmarks.
1. Isn't it the point of running the bench? To see the full potential of your device?
2. People will ask why not on normal usage? What app uses all 4 cores anyway to the max?
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Just wanted to chime in here:
1. No, the point of running a benchmark is to what benchmarks the user may perceive when using day to day applications. You tablet doesnt overclock it self, like when benchmarking, in day to day applications. Its cheating. Period.
2. Incorrect. A lot of apps will use four cores. Get yourself a good analyzer like "Android Tuner" or "System Tuner" or similiar app and you can gauge it yourself.
Elim said:
I can only repeat and repeat it again: only some users have this delay. Others not. So, still the question is, why you have the delay?
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The delay comes from the Exynos processor. The delay is built in and intentional. The tablet goes to a deep sleep with Exynos chips. This makes it more energy efficient. If the tablet doesnt deep sleep as quick as it does the batter is just wasted if the screen is off and idle.
To prove this on the P600 is very easy... Turn tablet on, open web browser return to home screen. Power off, 1 second later, power on.
Now do the same thing again this time power off for 30 seconds then power on. You may notice a 1 to 1.5 second longer delay in turning on as it comes out "deep sleep"
Some people are also a lot more sensitive to this delay which makes it seem like a terrible delay. However I have the Samsung Book Cover and by the time I open it and flap the cover all the way back the tablet is on. The delay is never even seen.
Another thing to keep in mind is specification errata on these chips. There are multiple bins that all can be seen in kernel source code. Each bin requires different voltages (I do know that much) but I dont know the affect binning has on wake time.
Also to the OP;
This is not a faster tablet than Nexus 7 2013
Benchmarks may tell you it is... But its not.
Also Qualcomm decided to hold back on the specific dalvik binary processing librarys, once you add those in the Nexus 7 2013 blows away any tablet I have EVER used. And I can assure you, I have used more than the average has.
scrosler said:
Just wanted to chime in here:
1. No, the point of running a benchmark is to what benchmarks the user may perceive when using day to day applications. You tablet doesnt overclock it self, like when benchmarking, in day to day applications. Its cheating. Period.
2. Incorrect. A lot of apps will use four cores. Get yourself a good analyzer like "Android Tuner" or "System Tuner" or similiar app and you can gauge it yourself.
The delay comes from the Exynos processor. The delay is built in and intentional. The tablet goes to a deep sleep with Exynos chips. This makes it more energy efficient. If the tablet doesnt deep sleep as quick as it does the batter is just wasted if the screen is off and idle.
To prove this on the P600 is very easy... Turn tablet on, open web browser return to home screen. Power off, 1 second later, power on.
Now do the same thing again this time power off for 30 seconds then power on. You may notice a 1 to 1.5 second longer delay in turning on as it comes out "deep sleep"
Some people are also a lot more sensitive to this delay which makes it seem like a terrible delay. However I have the Samsung Book Cover and by the time I open it and flap the cover all the way back the tablet is on. The delay is never even seen.
Another thing to keep in mind is specification errata on these chips. There are multiple bins that all can be seen in kernel source code. Each bin requires different voltages (I do know that much) but I dont know the affect binning has on wake time.
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Hi.
Sorry to inform you, but I have P605 32GB and have the same issue. The tablet only start without delay after a reboot and one time. I clean tablet from apps and still face the problem (yes is really annoying).
gregy74 said:
The fastest device with 3 sec delay when you want to turn on display.
Big shame for Samsung.
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Disabling both "Wake up command" and "Open via the home key" in S Voice will remove the delay.
scrosler said:
Just wanted to chime in here:
1. No, the point of running a benchmark is to what benchmarks the user may perceive when using day to day applications. You tablet doesnt overclock it self, like when benchmarking, in day to day applications. Its cheating. Period.
2. Incorrect. A lot of apps will use four cores. Get yourself a good analyzer like "Android Tuner" or "System Tuner" or similiar app and you can gauge it yourself.
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1. Does the tablet usually use its full potential or power on a day to day basis? Its like running a benchmark on an overclocked computer. You dont usually overclock when browsing the internet and even on playing demanding games if your rig can handle the game easily on stock clocks. You OC a PC and run benchmark to see how powerful it can run. But you dont let it stay OC'ed everyday to do normal things.
2. Ok, a lot of apps use for cores but is it always running on max clock? I doubt that.
scrosler said:
Also to the OP;
This is not a faster tablet than Nexus 7 2013
Benchmarks may tell you it is... But its not.
Also Qualcomm decided to hold back on the specific dalvik binary processing librarys, once you add those in the Nexus 7 2013 blows away any tablet I have EVER used. And I can assure you, I have used more than the average has.
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I dont know how Nexus 7 can be faster than this Note when on the same SoC type, Nexus 7 run max @ 1.5Ghz and Note is @ 2.3Ghz?
Even the 3 vs 2 GB ram can mean something.