If anyone has been wondering if Nexus 6 will have MDM9635, a Category 6 baseband processor capable of 300Mbps, it doesn't. It's loaded with MDM9625, Category 4, capable of 150Mbps.
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It's using Qualcomm's "Fusion 4" solution, pairing MDM9625 with APQ8084.
Note 4 U.S. variants are also using the same Cat 4 combination. Only Korean models of Note 4 seem to be Cat 6.
It will likely take US carriers 2/4 years before they adapt the technology for their systems. That is if they even want to have it.
Dr Faustus said:
It will likely take US carriers 2/4 years before they adapt the technology for their systems. That is if they even want to have it.
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AT&T already has Carrier Aggregation deployed in some (Ericsson) markets. Sprint is supposedly launching 20+20MHz Carrier Aggregation on TDD LTE by the end of this year.
T-Mobile and Verizon also have plans launching Carrier Aggregation, but they aren't in a rush as their networks have enough contiguous spectrum, allowing up to 150Mbps speeds without CA.
"Deployed"
Aka, 7 cities have it. 90% of the country is just now seeing LTE, cat 6 is quite a few years away.
ryude said:
"Deployed"
Aka, 7 cities have it. 90% of the country is just now seeing LTE, cat 6 is quite a few years away.
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Yes, deployed and turned on the network side. Several devices are already capable of leveraging CA and aggregating two component carriers (AT&T = B17 + B4/2), and users are already seeing faster median/peak data rates in those markets.
GS5, Note 4, G3, iPhone 6, Nexus 6 to name a few.
Also, Cat 6 isn't a network side feature, it's the capability of the user device.
Based on your comment "cat 6 is quite a few years away", you seem to be confused.
IMHO I don't think any of them have the backbone to support 300Mbps speed. Verizon FiOS barely makes that. First you have to deliver that speed to the tower. I think the Asian infrastructure is far more advanced in that aspect so it makes sense to include it in the newest phones.
obsanity said:
IMHO I don't think any of them have the backbone to support 300Mbps speed. Verizon FiOS barely makes that. First you have to deliver that speed to the tower. I think the Asian infrastructure is far more advanced in that aspect so it makes sense to include it in the newest phones.
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I assume that you're talking about the backhaul. Obviously, operators have secured access to fiber backhaul years ago (except Sprint), which is provisioned remotely as needed.
1. Verizon FiOS is a consumer/business solution.
2. Wireless operators don't necessarily shop for consumer internet solutions...
3. Many cell sites in dense urban markets are already provisioned to more than 300Mbps...
You guys ignore the fact that mdm9635 is a 20nm based chip. It can save a lot of batteries even if the U.S. doesn't have cat.6 network.
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I noticed the Nexus 6 uses the same LTE modem as the iPhone 6 which is good.
How does MDM9625 compare with the Nexus 5 modem M8974A?
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I assume that you're talking about the backhaul. Obviously, operators have secured access to fiber backhaul years ago (except Sprint), which is provisioned remotely as needed.
1. Verizon FiOS is a consumer/business solution.
2. Wireless operators don't necessarily shop for consumer internet solutions...
3. Many cell sites in dense urban markets are already provisioned to more than 300Mbps...
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Still, even if the backhaul supports 1GBps, how does that translate to many users on a single cell tower. On top of that, who in the US serves more than 50Mbps? I just don't think the US is ready for that yet.
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Still, even if the backhaul supports 1GBps, how does that translate to many users on a single cell tower. On top of that, who in the US serves more than 50Mbps? I just don't think the US is ready for that yet.
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Ready for what exactly?
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Ready for what exactly?
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Cat 6 and faster speed in general. Isn't that what we were talking about just now?
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Cat 6 and faster speed in general. Isn't that what we were talking about just now?
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I'm not sure who isn't ready. I'm certainly ready...
T-Mobile and Verizon have been providing their subscribers with peak data rates much higher than 50Mbps for over a year. Up to 150Mbps.
Check my signature.
I have no idea where are you going with this.
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I'm not sure who isn't ready. I'm certainly ready...
T-Mobile and Verizon have been providing their subscribers with peak data rates much higher than 50Mbps for over a year. Up to 150Mbps.
Check my signature.
I have no idea where are you going with this.
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I'm not sure where you're going with this. I'm definitely ready and I'm sure everyone wants more speed but the fact remains, not many get speeds above 20-30Mbps. Look up the average speeds for each carrier.
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I'm not sure where you're going with this. I'm definitely ready and I'm sure everyone wants more speed but the fact remains, not many get speeds above 20-30Mbps. Look up the average speeds for each carrier.
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You're contradicting your original false claims that:
1. None of the US wireless operators "support" backhaul of 300Mbps
2. None of the US operators "serve" more than 50Mbps
3. US is not "ready" for Cat 6 devices
I've proven all three of your false claims wrong. Thanks for the input though.
jerrylzy said:
You guys ignore the fact that mdm9635 is a 20nm based chip. It can save a lot of batteries
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This. Going from 28nm down to 20nm will further improve the battery life experience.
Next year's Snapdragon 808/810 will have IP stack on die, and it will be 20nm SoC solution. The front end is still 28nm though.
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You're contradicting your original false claims that:
1. None of the US wireless operators "support" backhaul of 300Mbps
2. None of the US operators "serve" more than 50Mbps
3. US is not "ready" for Cat 6 devices
I've proven all three of your false claims wrong. Thanks for the input though.
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Alright man, now you're putting words in my mouth. It's your thread. I've made my point. Have at it.
Geek fight in progress.
I'm S.Korean but I can't feel the fast speed with its' high bandwidth 'cuz the ping of all of carriers in S.Korea is suck.
(all carriers of S.Korea requests fast dormancy to all smarphone companies)
It is useful when I seeing the FHD or higher of resolution of videos and downloading big size of obb files of apps but that's all
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I'm S.Korean but I can't feel the fast speed with its' high bandwidth 'cuz the ping of all of carriers in S.Korea is suck.
(all carriers of S.Korea requests fast dormancy to all smarphone companies)
It is useful when I seeing the FHD or higher of resolution of videos and downloading big size of obb files of apps but that's all
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The latency is the most important and high dormancy will definitely decrease "time-to-first-byte", and overall "snappiness".
Here in the US, from my own experience T-Mobile has by far the lowest latency across their LTE layer, that is as low as 14ms. Averages around 30ms. Verizon is 30-50ms range.
Carrier aggregation will definitely benefit in areas with high traffic volume, as the user device can load balance or provide the overall higher median data rates to everyone.
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Interesting... I was reading this article (http://androidandme.com/2010/07/car...ons-why-t-mobile-3g-is-better-than-sprint-4g/) that speculates that Sprint will have the slowest speeds by the end of 2011.
Of course, the primary purpose of the article is to pit T-Mobile's 3G against Sprint's 4G... but also goes on to talk about AT&T and Verizon. I'll summarize what I gathered in the article.
Sprint's "4G" WiMax speeds have a theoretical limit of 11 Mpbs. I've personally been able to hit 3 Mbps. Some people on T-Mobile's 3G HSPA+ can apparently hit 5 Mbps with a theoretical limit of 21 Mbps.
AT&T will also upgrade to HSPA+, but with a theoretical limit of 14.4 Mbps (still faster than Sprint). The article specualtes that Verizon will have the fastest 4G available, but not until a year from now.
Do you think Sprint will up their game? Is that even possible? Did I choose the wrong carrier when I went with the EVO?
In two years switch to the fastest network. Why worry about it now...and really are you going to have same phone in two years?
Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
Unfortunately this article falls short in a number of ways:
Sprint's current WiMax standard (802.16e) has a max theoretical downspeed of 144Mb/s. 802.16m, the future revision of WiMax has a theoretical max of 1Gb/s.
HSPA+'s current max speed is 56Mb/s, and the future revision max is 168Mb/s.
Nobody's network right now is even close to those speeds. Sprint has a head start, and the existing infrastructure to build off of in terms of subscribers and towers.
T-Mobile has Deutsch Telekom's money to build off of, but their existing 3G coverage is grossly lacking.
Granted both parties are trying to build as much as possible, but in the end I'll stick with Sprint.
Your call.
~Jasecloud4
WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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WIKI reports WiMAX has a theoretical limit of 40 Mbit/s?
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Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
nowhere2010 said:
Let's just keep in mind that that these are theoretical maximum transfer rates possible under ideal conditions. Once you take into account the real world signal conditions, tower loading, and backhaul capacity it's a completely different ballgame.
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Your totally right. Think about it Wireless N has a theoretical speed of 300mbps, but for the most part you'd be lucky to get a transfer speed over 180mbps (at least in my case, some might get a little higher) because this is theoretical and could someday reach that potential. The same goes for 4g. Everyone has their own speeds and systems but in the end its just a matter of who has better coverage. At&t and t-mobile might have "more bars in more spaces", but in my experience sprint and verizon have far superior data networks and I don't think thats going to end anytime soon. So for me I'll stick with Sprint.
For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
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For me the important thing is Sprint has the fastest speed RIGHT NOW. I live in Seattle and average 3-5 with 4G (recently got a lot better). A year or two from now I may move somewhere else but for now my friends look on enviously.
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Agreed. Besides, to me the most important thing right now is how long sprint's going to keep the unlimited data option. Who knows,in two years with everyone capping data, might as well go to the provider who's gonna fill the bucket fastest. Who exactly is going to be the fastest? That's anyones guess right now, but it doesn't really matter because alot can change in two years.
based on my experience, AT&T's 3G performance (latency aside) with an HSUPA-enabled device is excellent and trumps Sprint's 3G by far. I constantly pull 3.5 mbit/s down, 1.6mbit/s up on my phone, which is comparable or perhaps a slight tick below Sprint's WiMax performance levels.
N1 users on Tmo raped us in speed tests still.. so sprint is still slow.. I get usually 2-3mb down most of the time, N1 users are boastin 5-10mb+ down on tmo 3g.. =\
I average 3-5Mgs here in Chicago on 4G
Stupid argument since Sprint/Clearwire is switching to 802.16e Enhanced by the end of the year, with a software update and a few hardware changes. Research the stats for it, and then see if you agree with that post.
Sprint will be using LTE, one way or another. They've already contacted suppliers a few months ago.
Sent from the Samsung Fascinate with Verizon.
Heh. This is why I posted this thread. Just about everyone is more informed than I am. I love my EVO but everyone was looking at me like I was crazy when switching to Sprint.
I'm mostly concerned because I do find Sprint's current 3G-4G offerings to be pretty slow... and my reception isn't as good as my Fiance's who is on AT&T. She points that out all the time...
I'd prefer to have a balance between good reception and good internet speeds. These are phones, after all
If you stick with a smartphone long enough, you'll realize that at the beginning of the year one carrier might be dominant, but by the end of the year the title has changed.
Stick with what you've got (unless your on Cricket ), and you'll be alright.
~Jasecloud4
It also comes down to unlimited data vs limited data. The other guys are all changing their data plans (tmobile and sprint aside).
What its the point if slightly faster speed if you can only use it half the month because of data caps.
I'm happy with mine. I got this speed while using wifi tether on my laptop
Also note I used the browser to test this speed
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I was thinking about this yesterday while stuck in the car streaming Pandora. I am glad I don't have to worry about how my music I stream for fear of running out of data.
The Everything Plan is what will keep me on Sprint, even if they are a bit slower.
The compression and technologies (html5, silverlight) are going to provide better performance streaming with less throughput. So are you really ever going to need more than 3-5mb on your phone? You arn't going to hit many sources that can provide you data faster than you can download.
(I can see needing more if you are tethering multiple devices)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/sprint-clears-35mhz-of-spectrum-for-future-use-wonders-if-its/
Blackcircle said:
Alot can happen between now and the end of next year. I believe you made a good choice being that Evo is a kickass phone and Sprint has the best plans and service (imo). This article may very well be accurate or not so, either way I give credit to Sprint for pushing pretty hard to get 4G to out as fast as they did even if is not as fast as they make it to be. Anyways...the Evo will be old by the end of next year regardless so you can choose again I think sprint will adjust accordingly to the market when that time comes.
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I just worry that their speedy push to 4g is going to leave there 3g network in the dust. Let's face it there are still plenty of places that do not have even a 3g network, at least in my state there is. If someplace doesn't even have access to 3g there is no way they are going to get 4g.
Sprint in Talks to Buy T-Mobile: http://www.mobiledia.com/news/83611.html
If Sprint does purchase T-Mobile, it would merge the third and fourth-largest carriers into a single, unified company that serves more than 80 million customers -- 49.9 million from Sprint and 33.7 million from T-Mobile. That would allow it to be vastly more capable of competing with AT&T, which has 95.5 million subscribers, and Verizon, with 94.1 million.
In addition, T-Mobile could also use Sprint's cash, clout and partnership to fund its wireless spectrum needs and 4G rollout.
But the Sprint-T-Mobile tie-up would also be much more complicated. The two companies run incompatible cellular networks -- Sprint on CDMA and T-Mobile with GSM -- which could throw Sprint into a toxic situation similar to when it purchased Nextel, another incompatible network, in 2005.
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1. iDEN network is being phased out in 2013, freeing up spectrum for Sprint's 3G/4G.
2. Switching to LTE is supposed to be 'easy' since it shares 70-80% of its DNA with Wimax. Sprint will make a decision on Wimax vs LTE in 6 months.
3. Sprint's Network Vision will consolidate its different network equipment/stations, making them take up less space and less cost to run.
4. T-Mobile is in dire need of spectrum, which Sprint/Clearwire has a lot of.
5. T-Mobile has not yet adopted a new 4G network (LTE) beyond its enhanced HSPA network marketed as '4G'.
It would be awesome to have a GSM/CDMA multi chip phone. LOL
Not a tech guy so I don't even know if that's possible.
But I think merging with T-Mobile would only open up the "dead" areas near me with coverage.
Overstew said:
It would be awesome to have a GSM/CDMA multi chip phone. LOL
Not a tech guy so I don't even know if that's possible.
But I think merging with T-Mobile would only open up the "dead" areas near me with coverage.
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Im sure it will be possible soon, the way technology rolls out..
and i voted yes and agree with overstew!!
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I dunno, all i can say it they i hope they keep the hype up cause my shares just went up 27 cents before close.
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Touch Pro 2 was cdma/gsm and there was an unlock if I remember to let you use it on other gsm networks
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Here in PR, AT&T bought Centenial which was a CDMA carrier. All Centenial customers remained until their contracts were up and then they would have to switch over to AT&T (for now). AT&T started shutting CDMA towers down -which sucked because Sprint used them also, making our signal suck- and are in the process of migrating all CDMA accounts to GSM.
Also happened a few years ago with Verizon in the island. VZN sold its network to Claro and switched almost all their towers to GSM (but still use some CDMA towers for data I believe, not sure).
Personally, I would really like that, but it seems obscure, don't you think, I mean, come on a CDMA/GSM device, imagine how much it would cost, and also the monthly bill would probably go up to cover extra operating costs. Although, it may happen, just think about it
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Personally, I would really like that, but it seems obscure, don't you think, I mean, come on a CDMA/GSM device, imagine how much it would cost, and also the monthly bill would probably go up to cover extra operating costs. Although, it may happen, just think about it
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Nothing about a merger implies a CDMA/GSM device, in fact in the event of a merger things would stay pretty much the same for quite a while, it could be years till they make a decision on which path to follow then even longer to switch their antennae over.
If they did merge and keep both GSM and cdma im sure it is possible since the processors in Verizon's iPhone 4 is technically capable of doing both GSM and.cdma be we'll see
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On the one hand,
Yes, I would love better coverage and, more importantly, GSM/LTE phones without having to go to AT&FT.
On the other hand,
No, we need more competition here, not less, especially if the feds are caving on wireless net neutrality.
If they do merge would be pretty pointless for them to have took the time to make a CDMA Nexus S lol
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Nothing about a merger implies a CDMA/GSM device, in fact in the event of a merger things would stay pretty much the same for quite a while, it could be years till they make a decision on which path to follow then even longer to switch their antennae over.
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No, there would never be a CDMA/GSM device, but there could be GSM/WiMax and CDMA/LTE devices.
If a phone has either GSM or LTE in it, that means you can use it anywhere in the world. GSM phones can be used now, LTE phones can be used in a couple years once other countries build out 4G.
GO GET EM!!! lol actually if I was ever going to leave sprint it was going to be for tmobile..
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No, there would never be a CDMA/GSM device, but there could be GSM/WiMax and CDMA/LTE devices.
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The BlackBerry 9630 and 9650 are GSM/CDMA.
Touch Pro 2 was a CDMA/GSM device, and the Droid 2 Pro is also CDMA/GSM. China has a lot of phones that have similar capabilities. It's not exactly unheard of to do dual mode phones.
ichefae85 said:
If they did merge and keep both GSM and cdma im sure it is possible since the processors in Verizon's iPhone 4 is technically capable of doing both GSM and.cdma be we'll see
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Your argument is invalid.
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Firon said:
Touch Pro 2 was a CDMA/GSM device, and the Droid 2 Pro is also CDMA/GSM. China has a lot of phones that have similar capabilities. It's not exactly unheard of to do dual mode phones.
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another reason why i miss my TP2,that and having the best hardware keyboard ever..
If Sprint does get T-Mobile, would T-Mobile be renamed Sprint Spectrum since that's what it was originally?
Remember Sprint Spectrum, it was GSM, then Sprint spun it off, as a company called Voice Stream, to switch to CDMA.
Probably keep the Sprint brand. Takes you back to when Cingular bought at&t or AT&T, whatever capitalization they used.
I say "yes" anything to raise sprints "s" stock, sprint is killing me and I am to much in a hole to sell.... 8( . I need them to be 6 and above to start making $$$$$.
AT&T's response to my BBB complaint... "they aren't capping upload speeds"..yea right
On March 09, 2011, the business provided the following information:
AT&T Mobility Tele: 952.703.4316
Regulatory Response Team Fax: 952.703.2307
AGENCY'S NAME:
Better Business Bureau of Metropolitan
Texas COMPANY'S NAME:
AT&T
ADDRESS:
1600 Pacific Ave Suite 2800
Dallas TX 75201 ADDRESS:
Office of the President
2325 N. University
Lubbock, TX 79415
AGENCY REP: N/A COMPLAINANT'S NAME:
Keith Geissler
AGENCY'S FILE NO.:
91172869 COMPANY'S FILE NO.:
CM20110302_18007584
AT&T Mobility (AT&T) received the above-referenced customer complaint and appreciates the opportunity to respond. Specifically, Keith Geissler complains that the recently released Motorola Atrix does not offer speeds anywhere near what advertised speeds claim. He is requesting activation of 4G services and removal of the cap on the Motorola Atrix services.
Account research regarding this complaint shows that AT&T is focused on delivering a wide choice of solutions and the best possible Smartphone experience to our customers. Be assured that AT&T has not "capped" the upload speeds on the ATRIX. The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device, and we currently are performing the testing and preparations necessary to ensure that, when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
We ask that you please keep in mind; software is only one of many factors that can affect speeds experienced. Factors such as location, time of day, network capacity and facilities, can have an impact as well. Again, in order to ensure the best possible customer experience services will become available once testing has been completed.
AT&T sincerely regrets any inconvenience this issue may have caused. Please feel free to contact me directly at 952-703-4316 if you have any additional questions or concerns in this matter.
Name: Sheila Utech, Customer Appeals Manager, Executive Response
You must not have read the letter very well, now did you?
The ATRIX is a HSUPA-capable device
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when we turn this feature on, you will continue to have a world class experience.
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Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.
It is not capped but we will turn it on ...SMH
I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?
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Thing is...I live in Dallas where 4G is "suppose" to be turned on.
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Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.
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I think the best idea would be to play the waiting game. Perhaps see what happens when they're finally done with the backhaul?
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That is likely the case. Download speeds are not capped on the phone, only limited to what the backhaul to the tower in your area can support.
That said, HSUPA is in fact disabled, so you WILL NOT see speeds above 300k/s until they enable it with a firmware upgrade (or a dev here on xda fixes it )
A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets. A better question to AT&T might be why are they limiting access to existing HSPDA+ today, that testing has already been done.
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A read of the sentence following the one you highlighted in bold indicates AT&T admits that HSUPA is not enabled yet. I'm hearing it will be enabled in June in 7 markets.
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The truth comes out... its good to know the BBB is good for something, as they couldnt just give a BS line in that response. Now we know they did infact disable it on purpose AND it will be activated.
I am still waiting on a letter from AT&T's office of the president...
it doesn't matter if you are living in a 4g zone, the fact is that the atrix won't do hsupa until an update for the phone gets released to enable it. at least they admitted that it's turned off
Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?
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Op. How did you go about filling this complaint? Email? Or is there some link on the bbb site?
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Went here: http://www.bbb.org/
Put in my zip code, and there was a link to "file a complaint". I just put all the information in and submitted it online.
I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
Everyone should go to bbb.org and file a complaint and state specifically that the iPhone 4 works as HSUPA capable, the Atrix should as well since it is advertised as such.
Sharkonwheels said:
I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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I find it odd that AT&T is still sucking so hard on the teets of Apple. Apple was literally waiting for the day to leave AT&T and join other carriers. And through all the years I was with AT&T they gave me crap service because I had a smartphone that didn't start with an "i".
What they NEED to be doing is focusing MORE on us Android users like Verizon did with theirs while they didn't have the iPhone. Because eventually iPhone users are going to want better service (drop calls much?) and potentially migrate to Verizon. Then all AT&T will have left is bitter Android users waiting for their contracts to expire.
Thank God I bailed on AT&T. In a strange twist for me is that my download speeds on Sprint sometimes aren't as high as my upload o_0. No matter since I still get over 1500kbps both ways.
edit: Man this thread is on every major tech blog now
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Understood. However, it has been heavily discussed that HSUPA is infact DISABLED on the device its self. Hence their response.
HSPA+ is SHOWN on the device as active in all markets, however that is due to tower upgrades to reflect that... it does not mean you have HSPA+ yet if the back haul has not been upgraded to support the speeds.
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The fact "H+" is shown has nothing to do with towers or markets.
by looking through the framework images (shown below), they have completely replaced the 3G or H (without a Plus next to it) with an "H+" icon.
So it doesn't matter if you are on 3G, HSPA, or HSPA+, it will display "H+"
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Sharkonwheels said:
I filed a BBB complaint with this, to clear their BS responses about 4G and backhaul upgrades, which has not a single iota to do with our issue:
Currently, AT&T is disabling HSUPA and high speed internet on all smartphones EXCEPT the iPhone 4. I understand 4G is not fully deployed, I'm still trying to get 3G speeds, but this is disabled on my 1-year-old Samsung Captivate, as well as the new Atrix 4G.
This has nothing to do with network upgrades, backhauls, or 4G. I'm simply trying to get 3G speeds as the iPhone 4 has with HSUPA. This was maliciously, and intentionally, disabled by AT&T on all non-Apple phones.
I can take my wife's iPhone 4, put it next to my Atrix or Captivate, run speeds tests, and the iPhone will be 2-4x faster. They are intentionally disabling HSUPA on Android phones, to preserve some notion of "upscale" on the iPhone 4, and this is fraudulent, and false advertising, as the specifications for both the Captivate and the Atrix say it has HSUPA, which is high-speed upload on 3G.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with 4G, or the network upgrades. I just want to get what I pay/paid for, and many of us are finding out that if you take a Captivate and experiment with the Bell Canada software for the modem, it enables the high-speed data, again NOT 4G, just like the iPhone 4, which is NOT a 4G device.
That experiment alone proves AT&T is deliberately and maliciously handicapping non-Apple smartphones.
I pay JUST AS MUCH every month for data as iPhone owners do, so it's not fair that they get 4 times the speed that I do, when the current 3G towers are more than capable of HSUPA.
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This is great! Wish i would have had this earlier today when i filed my bbb complaint and called att to complain. Im gonna use your words next time i have this conveersation.
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The fact "H+" is shown has nothing to do with towers or markets.
by looking through the framework images (shown below), they have completely replaced the 3G or H (without a Plus next to it) with an "H+" icon.
So it doesn't matter if you are on 3G, HSPA, or HSPA+, it will display "H+"
notice the lack or "3G" or "H"
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Wow that is unethical! So we will never know the truth running att/moto firmware!?
Somewhat depressing since it was more of a case of..oops we got caught what can we tell them now. Now we all get to wonder how long are they going to make us wait till we can get this update that they are "testing".. I certainly hope it is soon since it is depressing that the 4g phone is slower than now 4g branded devices.
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Read here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/15/wimax-2-standard-and-its-theoretical-1gbps-downloads-to-be-fin/
Notice the second to last line. So it seems like for those of you that are deciding to keep off the Evo 3D bandwagon for this year (and maybe wait for some quad core action next year ) and are still clinging to your Evo's next year, you might see some 100megs down, that is, if Sprint decides to show your town a little love.
Omg if this is real...i just got a boner
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If I were Sprint I would be investing in this ASAP [as long as the lower bands are allowed to be used]
Yeah that's going to be sweet. Sprint is going to have a huge head start and if they plan right and upgrade towers quickly they may be able to get alot of customers back from Verizon. Wimax 2 WILL also be compatible with the Evo 3D because it will use the exact same Wimax chip (although from the article ANY original wimax chip will work). Hopefully Sprint will jump on this and start to truly shine as a stupid-fast, reliable, UNLIMITED network.
What all of you are missing is the bandwidth isn't true and can't reach those speeds IN ANY FORM or way. The max that can goto almost any tower are 100Mb connections. You would have to have 4-7 fibers going to EACH TOWER in order to reach those speeds.
Also what you're also forgetting is that they are "leasing" the bandwidth from the cable/phone providers. Certain states like FL, texas, and others with data centers will be the only ones reaching these speeds. However, it is very sad that we can get faster speeds with our mobile than we can with our hardwire connections directly to our house. lol
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What all of you are missing is the bandwidth isn't true and can't reach those speeds IN ANY FORM or way. The max that can goto almost any tower are 100Mb connections. You would have to have 4-7 fibers going to EACH TOWER in order to reach those speeds.
Also what you're also forgetting is that they are "leasing" the bandwidth from the cable/phone providers. Certain states like FL, texas, and others with data centers will be the only ones reaching these speeds. However, it is very sad that we can get faster speeds with our mobile than we can with our hardwire connections directly to our house. lol
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Oh no, ONLY 100mbit / second?
Why would they even bother?
I wouldn't expect to see this until like 2012(late) at least.
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I know I didn't word it right. but remember. it is a shared connection. with lots of people abusing the speeds. no caps on sprints networks for at least now. lol. BUT I do predict that they will attempt to prevent us from mod'ing our phones. hahahahahaha. *rolls over laughing*
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I know I didn't word it right. but remember. it is a shared connection. with lots of people abusing the speeds. no caps on sprints networks for at least now. lol. BUT I do predict that they will attempt to prevent us from mod'ing our phones. hahahahahaha. *rolls over laughing*
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Uh, what in the fun are you talking about?
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Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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I read it, but I'm saying for it to become available(for most of the country) I said probably end of 2012. Sprints only going to kick this off in certain areas like with regular wimax(which still isn't available in all major cities yet).
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
They are taking forever in Jersey, killin me
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SSjon said:
Check the post date of that article.
August 15th 2010
WiMax 2 has been in the works for a while. Just like LTE has an upgrade future. Both are moving forward to true 4G speeds.
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Ya this is an older article, but I posted it because it gives facts about they new network. The technology was finally approved today. The article about it is on the main page of engadget.
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If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
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In sn interview Dan Hesse said a third of Sprints operating cost was going to back haul fees for using Verizon and at&ts networks. The last thing they probably want is to start roaming on versions network at 10Mbs.
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goodboynyc said:
If Sprint continues to roll with WIMAX, they'd become the black sheep and alienate themselves.
Sprint should make the hop to LTE; The customers would benefit from it more-so by being able to roam on Verizons LTE network.
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Yet again after all the lengthy discussion this topic has had we still get ignotant comments like the one above. Sprint simply switching to LTE will NOT solve the coverage and building pen. problems currently seen with WiMax. Again its based on the Freq band. If they put WiMax on Nextel old freq when its finally put to rest then we'd be getting the same coverage VZ's LTE network would be getting as the building pen on the lower band is much greater.
WiMax isn't going anywhere so just get used to it. I dont expect Sprints 4G to increase and get better till they have taken all the Nextel service off that Freq and can then make their use of that freq with what they want. Likely with Clearwire doing LTE on that and using WiMax and LTE both which will be easy to employ with their network upgrade they are cuttently doing.
The reason I say LTE on the old Freq is because currently WiMax isn't provisioned to work on that freq and is only provisioned for 2.3 GHz, 2.5 GHz and 3.5 GHz currently. But I would think that once that 800MHz freq opens up with Nextel being off it, that sprint/clearwire could get it provisioned for that Freq.
ready by the end of 2012?? the world won't even be here!
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This is my final post for this section, as I'm typing the same **** over and over again, only for it to be ignored. Months passed, as it's a new thread with the same **** I've wrote months ago. Sprint's frequency is the sole reason as to why the building penetration isn't up to stuff, not the technology. LTE IS NOT THE REASON VERIZON'S 4G HAS BETTER BUILDING PENETRATION, IT'S THE FREQUENCY. Multi-mode towers will solve that problem.
Sprint's frequency is not the reason the speeds are ****. The speeds are **** because their 4G strategy is at a standstill. Not only is every current 4G tower in every city suppose to be upgraded, they were to blanket those cities with more towers. If Orlando have 13 towers spread throughout the city, Clearwire was to upgrade those towers, while increasing the total to 20. Clear didn't drop the ball, they punted it out the stadium. Best solution for both parties is for Clear to officially switch to Sprint's Network Vision, and also support Sprint's drive for LTE. Both already have LTE soft markets, but it needs to be made official for the public to know. Another solution is to switch their current WiMax solution to 802.16e Enhanced, while increasing the bandwidth to 20MHz.
Anyway, that's it from me. Go back to arguing with trolls who mentions Sprint more than Hesse himself, but obviously hate the company. It's entertaining.
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This is my final post for this section, as I'm typing the same **** over and over again, only for it to be ignored. Months passed, as it's a new thread with the same **** I've wrote months ago. Sprint's frequency is the sole reason as to why the building penetration isn't up to stuff, not the technology. LTE IS NOT THE REASON VERIZON'S 4G HAS BETTER BUILDING PENETRATION, IT'S THE FREQUENCY. Multi-mode towers will solve that problem.
Sprint's frequency is not the reason the speeds are ****. The speeds are **** because their 4G strategy is at a standstill. Not only is every current 4G tower in every city suppose to be upgraded, they were to blanket those cities with more towers. If Orlando have 13 towers spread throughout the city, Clearwire was to upgrade those towers, while increasing the total to 20. Clear didn't drop the ball, they punted it out the stadium. Best solution for both parties is for Clear to officially switch to Sprint's Network Vision, and also support Sprint's drive for LTE. Both already have LTE soft markets, but it needs to made official for the public to know. Another solution is to switch their current WiMax solution to 802.16e Enhanced, while increasing the bandwidth to 20MHz.
Anyway, that's it from me. Go back to arguing with trolls who mentions Sprint more than Hesse himself, but obviously hate the company. It's entertaining.
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God damn, I get tired of reading posts by people who obviously gained all of their knowledge by skimming articles and parroting what others have said, as opposed to doing any real research or reading.
I just wanted to start this thread to ask if any insiders or users such as yourselves have any new information regarding wimax expansion, LTE deployment or any other type of rumors that point to us getting better services in the future. Any timelines on deployment or hints at them are appreciated.
Update: All will be revealed October 7, God willing
Update 2: It looks like Sprint might be upgrading the existing EVDO Rev A network to Rev B. also a new video on network vision
Korey says the rev b upgrade is bs.
What I have heard:
Network Vision:
A new program to replace all existing cell sites with all new hardware which is backed by fiber optics (yes!!! no more 150k 3g) and works with all technologies on all frequencies possible (CDMA 800/1900), (Wimax 2500) and (LTE 800/1900/2500(Clear)/1600(lightsquared?))
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Light Squared LTE partnership:
Sprint is rumored to be negotiating with light squared to piggyback their network on sprint's towers further increasing the quality of sprint's lte network.
Edit: The deal is either done or close to complete. source
Credit: boliviano3
Edit 2: It looks like lightsquared has vacated the spectrum which interfered with GPS in favor of some other spectrum. They claim the GPS interference is no longer an issue. If it's true we could see 1400/1600mhz lte in 2013.
LightSquared announces 'solution' for GPS issue, says LTE network will roll out on schedule
Bloomberg said:
“LightSquared and Sprint will jointly develop, deploy and operate LightSquared’s 4G LTE network,” according to the letter. “Sprint will become a significant customer of LightSquared’s 4G LTE network.”
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It's also worth noting that this network will operate in the 1600mhz spectrum and due to GPS providers illegal use of this spectrum, the lte network will interfere with vital high precision GPS used in agriculture.
Basically, John Deere is squatting on LightSquared's spectrum but there is nothing we can do about it because we need their products for food production.
Clear Moving to LTE:
It's a done deal the question is when. It's still using that nasty 2500mhz spectrum so I'm not all that interested.
What it all means:
The network vision upgrade should result in a dramatic increase in network speed because the back haul to the new towers is fiber optics meaning they won't be choked for bandwidth under the load of heavy smartphone use.
Vision should also lead to much better coverage in building and out because of the use of the old iDen (nextel) 800mhz frequency. 800mhz is why Verizon and US Cellular have the coverage they do. One 800mhz tower can serve the same coverage area three 1900mhz towers do. Sprint intends to switch all towers to use this frequency as well as 1900mhz when the 800mhz network is at capacity.
The light squared deal is a win-win for Sprint despite the controversy surrounding the interference Lightsquared causes with GPS. Unlike the situation they face with Clear today, Lightsqared will actually be paying Sprint to use their network. This could expedite the deployment of LTE for Sprint with the financial incentives Lightsquared will provide.
TL;DR
If the rumors are true Sprints network will be by far the best in the country. If you know something please tell us. I tire of Sprint's silence on their future plans (I want 1500kbps 3g/10mbps wimax nao!).
Even owners of Wimax devices (us) will see an improvement in overall coverage and speed as Sprint converts all towers to use Wimax and 800 mhz cdma (as well as lte).
Sweet. This would be great. My 3g is not 190k. It just says DEATH in a speed check. Lol.
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marcusant said:
Sweet. This would be great. My 3g is not 190k. It just says DEATH in a speed check. Lol.
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lol, I guess I should be thankful.
I have not heard anything more than what you posted ... but it does sound good for us (eventually)
I hope it comes true and quickly... The market is moving really fast right now and Sprint is starting to feel like is going to fall behind again...
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I hope it comes true and quickly... The market is moving really fast right now and Sprint is starting to feel like is going to fall behind again...
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i agree. releasing 4G before anyone was a great move and increased their revenue, regardless of the loss it reported from 2010(less of a loss than 2007-2009 for sure) but now that ATT, and big red have released LTE, sprint is already behind, atleast to those who know the difference in the types of 4g anyway. this will deff be a great step in the right direction for the company. now if only they would release a SGS2 WITH a keyboard ill be set lol oh well, maybe when SGS3 comes out =P ill probably still have my epic by then anyway hahahahaha
I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
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I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
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amen to that Tex. same reason i got this phone too.
Ohhhh man, this perks me up! I, too, got the epic after many months of research (and seeing every one of my friends who own Evo's replacing them every two or three months due to cracked/broken screens). I really hate the Evo for it's weight, but hate it even more because of its lack of keyboard.
Now back on topic. When I got my phone, I did the research on the networks, and was REALLY bummed that Verizon has the better speeds and coverage, whereas a few years ago, it was the opposite. *sigh*
I would really like to see this happen fast. My coverage where I live is bad, and we only have 3G right now (which I cannot complain about, but do when it does not work... which means A LOT of complaining).
Everything else about this awesome phone? AMAZING. Glad I chose it instead of the others. Just sayin.
I would like the technical controversy of whether WiMax handsets could ever be easily upgraded to support LTE laid to rest, yea or nay. I suspect nay, and since they expect 2 year or less upgrades for users, maybe it's a non-issue.
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I would like the technical controversy of whether WiMax handsets could ever be easily upgraded to support LTE laid to rest, yea or nay. I suspect nay, and since they expect 2 year or less upgrades for users, maybe it's a non-issue.
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There is a chance they could be but, it is slim because the only lte band our phones could support is 2500mhz from Clear so it wouldn't improve coverage much (Vison will because of more towers but it will still be spotty) but speed could go up a bit.
I think it would be pointless though. They would be better off uncapping the Wimax speeds (which would make them more or less the same speeds as LTE ~ up to 40mbps). I would say most likely they keep the wimax caps (maybe ease up a little on the upload cap) and leave the phones with Wimax.
I was happy that Sprint made the first move with 4G. WiMax was already established in many markets, so it made sense for them to use that to be the first ones to market with 4G. And to be honest WiMax gets good and consistant speeds with relatively low latency (average 5-7 down and 1-1.5 up with around 70-80 ms latency), its just that once you enter a building or even a car for that matter the signal penetration drops off sharply. Thats that 2500 Mhz spectrum for ya. BUt hopefully this deal with light squared will accelerate thier LTE deployment. It would be nice to have all the major carriers on one universal 4G standard that way you could roam anywhere you go. I just hope sprint can stay in the game. This AT&T/T-mobile merger is going to put the hurt on the ol now network.
maybe......someday
expect the worst hope for the best that way you dont get your feels hurt lol
iam happy now lol
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hoping for a response from whosdaman or someone else who works for sprint
My bro works at Sams club in the phone department, and the Sprint Rep that handles distributing phones to all stores in the valley told him that they are not deploying out any more 4G as they are in talks to use LTE like verizon on their network.
WIMAX phones CAN convert to LTE....as can the currently deployed WIMAX equipment with no additional hardware...it's basically a software update. Sprint will be converting their 800MHz frequencies from IDEN to CDMA and will use LTE across all frequencies and incorporate aggregation which is where multiple frequencies are used simultaneously thereby increasing total frequency width and speed.
This thread should be deleted, while continuing on with this one...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1015442
TexasEpic4G said:
I hear you on the "keyboard" feature ... the AWESOME Screen Display and Physical Keyboard are what made me get the EPIC instead of EVO .... hopefully SGS3 !!!
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That is the same reason I got the Epic as well, but I now very rarely use the hardware keyboard. I'm excited for the new SGSII, but to each his own I guess
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Lol, well what do you want me to say? haha...I've already talked about this previously.
"Cellular Frequency Aggregation: Using multiple Cellular Radio Frequencies in parallel to increase link speed" Think of it like Link aggregation whereas using multiple Ethernet network cables/ports in parallel to increase overall link speed......Using 3 100Mb ethernet ports at the same time to have an effective 300Mb total connection. This is only possible if both the sending computer AND receiving computer support the capability. NVIDIA motherboards with dual 1GB ethernet ports can perform this using their driver.
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From sprint website
Current vs. New cell site
Today, Sprint uses separate equipment to deploy services on 800 MHz spectrum, 1.9 GHz spectrum and, through its relationship with Clearwire, 2.5 GHz spectrum. Under the terms of the new contracts, Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung will install new network equipment and software that brings together multiple spectrum bands, or airwaves, on a single, multi-mode base station.
Comparison between today's base stations and Network Vision base stations
With Network Vision, Sprint will make substantial changes to the cell sites that power its wireless network. The top image shows Sprint’s existing base stations, which require single, refrigerator-sized cabinets for each technology. Large black coaxial cables must run from each cabinet to the top of the cell tower, which has an inherent loss of signal. The Network Vision multi-mode base station will require less space. Other advantages will include the ability for Sprint to use spectrum bands on multiple technologies, replacing coaxial cables with fiber that is not affected by signal loss and improved remote radio heads that replace existing less efficient radios.
Multi-mode technology
The implementation of multi-mode technology throughout the Sprint network will:
• Enhance service
• Create network flexibility
• Reduce operating costs
• Improve environmental sustainability
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Other Rumors alluded to by sprint
Berge Ayvazian, Senior Consultant, Heavy Reading
“This is a very bold move. Sprint was first with an all-digital wireless network; the first to upgrade to EVDO; and more recently, the first to broadly offer 4G services. Sprint is once again first to deploy a common converged mobile network that will strengthen its 3G services; enhance its 4G technology options; and continue delivering the industry’s leading push-to-talk offering.”
Steve Elfman, Sprint president of Network Operations and Wholesale
“We’re seeing an increasing need from our push-to-talk customers for high-speed data capabilities. Marrying the industry’s only sub-second PTT call set-up with broadband data directly supports our customers’ needs and creates an unmatched offering in the market. Additionally, we fully expect a competitively priced lineup of rugged handsets and smartphones on the CDMA network.”
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There is a chance they could be but, it is slim because the only lte band our phones could support is 2500mhz from Clear so it wouldn't improve coverage much (Vison will because of more towers but it will still be spotty) but speed could go up a bit.
I think it would be pointless though. They would be better off uncapping the Wimax speeds (which would make them more or less the same speeds as LTE ~ up to 40mbps). I would say most likely they keep the wimax caps (maybe ease up a little on the upload cap) and leave the phones with Wimax.
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Looks like sprint will be raising the cap on the upload tommorow. I guess they read my post.
http://phandroid.com/2011/06/09/sprint-said-to-raise-4g-upload-cap-to-1-5-mbps-june-10th/
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