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I haven't been able to tell a difference yet but I just got the x10. So whats your opinion... better to leave on or off?
yeahyeahyeah1981 said:
I haven't been able to tell a difference yet but I just got the x10. So whats your opinion... better to leave on or off?
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From reading several previous threads, many seem to prefer it off.
My opinion is that it's probably of limited use when SE have set the compression level so high on photos taken with the built-in camera app - ie if you zoom in on a pic you're more likely to encounter compression artifacts than camera shake (at least in good light conditions). I've found the Vignette camera app improves on the built-in app in this regard as you can set the compression level yourself.
I am also interested in whether IS makes any difference under conditions such as low light where I've generally found the camera to be wanting.
Hello!
Some of you maybe have noticed that when the Galaxy S faces the sun, in auto-brightness mode, the color are suddenly boosted by a crazy amount in an attempt to preserve color saturation perception despite the incoming light.
Do you think this is a useful feature helping readability or does it do more harm than good ?
I can disable or tweak it very easily in Voodoo color. I have mixed feelings about this, that's why it's still on, but some people asked me to disable it.
I need your opinion and experience
Please don't vote if you don't understand what it is about and never experienced it.
Thanks !
Note: this color boost is associated only to the automatic 100% brightness level.
that is actually just brightness at 65% or higher
by default on regular operation when the brightness is set to auto it is always below 50% that's why people complain about colour being pale and such
if you set the brightness to 65% or more you can appreciate the full bloom effect of the SAMOLED screen vs AMOLED
i use a simple brightness widget to set it how i want, but it's mostly on auto, except when i want to WOW! people
@AllGamer we don't talk about the same thing.
It's not the standard brightness level, that's something that append only in the situation I described
If you are lucky enough to have a sunny day you can try it by yourself.
I didn't manage to reproduce it using artificial lights, seems that any light i have is not as bright as the sun ^^
i do use the phone outdoor almost on a daily basis, specially during lunch time when we walk to the restaurants meanwhile checking for emails, forums, weather, prices, another restaurant nearby, etc, etc.
so i've seen the screen colour/brightness changes in many different occassions.
unless there is another method to control the colour without controlling the brightness and vice versa, then i'm pretty sure i'm getting the same effects when i manually slide the brightness bar all the way to 100%, 85%, 75%, and 65%
anything less than 60% wont show the blooming colour effect
sorry @AllGamer, you don't get yet ^^
I don't know if you read the original post?
I can show you the source code in kernel if this is necessary.
This special color boost (really extreme color boost) appends:
In auto brightness mode
When it's bright enough to make the auto-brightness mode reach the 100% level (named gamma 24)
When already at auto 100% and screen facing the sun.
Well, that's not so bad, it's just a poll
Here is the link to the source
http://github.com/project-voodoo/sa...nux-2.6.29/drivers/sensor/optical/gp2a.c#L329
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if(autobrightness_mode)
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if(current_gamma_value == 24)&&(level_state == LIGHT_LEVEL4)
So far I've only experienced that once in my 3 month old SGS. I usually use it indoors.
I think you can replicate that by ticking Outdoor Visibility in the camera app.
Seen it alot of times, It does seem to help quite well, So i say keep it
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I think you can replicate that by ticking Outdoor Visibility in the camera app.
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yeah, that is what i call the colour blooming effect, just like in the PC blooming effect on the video cards
DaRkMyk said:
So far I've only experienced that once in my 3 month old SGS. I usually use it indoors.
I think you can replicate that by ticking Outdoor Visibility in the camera app.
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Absolutely! the Outdoor mode in Camera and Video apps are similar (but are triggered manually)
AllGamer said:
yeah, that is what i call the colour blooming effect, just like in the PC blooming effect on the video cards
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woops... just tried the Outdoor Visibility and it is not the same as what I experienced before. You really must be outside & under the bright sun. I'll try it again tomorrow.
it just does it to the entire screen but stronger, there is an widget to control screen modes and it can be toggled manually when set to 100%
supercurio said:
@AllGamer we don't talk about the same thing.
It's not the standard brightness level, that's something that append only in the situation I described
If you are lucky enough to have a sunny day you can try it by yourself.
I didn't manage to reproduce it using artificial lights, seems that any light i have is not as bright as the sun ^^
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I pointed at the sensor with a 12LED flashlight (Need to be quite close for the blooming effect to activate, ~5-10cm), and it bloomed away after 3-5 seconds.
I've never been bothered by it and never really noticed it in bright light, so I would think it's a positive feature that helps readability in strong sunlight.
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it just does it to the entire screen but stronger, there is an widget to control screen modes and it can be toggled manually when set to 100%
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You cannot reach this mode with manual controls.
It depends on data measured by the light sensor, it's in kernel.
well i guess i'll have to install your Modifications, to see if there's really a difference
but from my point of view, when the level at set to 100% looks the same as when the phone is working outdoor under bright sunlight 12 noon lunch time.
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well i guess i'll have to install your Modifications, to see if there's really a difference
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It's in every standard kernel!
Ok, I give up ^^
I say keep it. It seems like it would be functional. Looking forward to the warmer colors at more brightness levels, as my phone very rarely runs at 100% brightness.
What I don't like (maybe others agree?) is the sudden drop in brightness at low ambient light levels (not complete darkness).
Thanks for your work on the color issue. This is really what I look forward most to in future voodoo releases!
well it'll definitely be nice to be able to access the bloom effect under low brightness level
i like more colours
i was under the impression supercurio was coding something to do that
Anything that makes the screen better in the sun is a good thing.
Even with the SAMOLED, things can sometimes be harder to see outside, especially while web browsing.
It doesn't matter if the colors are off in the pictures when you can't even read the web page.
Is it possible to make these sort of things configurable by an app on the phone?
Or must these sort of settings be hard-coded into the kernel?
First of all I would like to say I LOVE this phone, its the best Android phone I have used thus far and I came from the HTC one, S4, and note 2.
Now here is whats making me insane, lg imposes this extreme low light processing which causes the image to become brighter at night, now thats completely fine with images I don't mind it, but with video seeing as we can't disable it, it makes videos taken during lowlight/indoor lighting horrid, any movement introduced causes blur and ghosting (even under the 1080p 60fps mode). I also have an iphone 5s and while the video is definitely darker, there is no issue with blur or ghosting.
This is not a bug, it is not a malfunction, its a feature that LG imposes on the camera, I was just wondering if there was some way to disable it from activating. If you guys don't understand what I mean I can make videos to show you the difference.
mobiousblack said:
First of all I would like to say I LOVE this phone, its the best Android phone I have used thus far and I came from the HTC one, S4, and note 2.
Now here is whats making me insane, lg imposes this extreme low light processing which causes the image to become brighter at night, now thats completely fine with images I don't mind it, but with video seeing as we can't disable it, it makes videos taken during lowlight/indoor lighting horrid, any movement introduced causes blur and ghosting (even under the 1080p 60fps mode). I also have an iphone 5s and while the video is definitely darker, there is no issue with blur or ghosting.
This is not a bug, it is not a malfunction, its a feature that LG imposes on the camera, I was just wondering if there was some way to disable it from activating. If you guys don't understand what I mean I can make videos to show you the difference.
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There is a modded camera you can use in order to fix the video low light (low frames) issues.Must have root tho and recovery in order to do so.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471900
woof123 said:
There is a modded camera you can use in order to fix the video low light (low frames) issues.Must have root tho and recovery in order to do so.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471900
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Thanks for the response I am glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this.
mobiousblack said:
Thanks for the response I am glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this.
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Your welcome,hopefully soon we will have even better mods from the guys that are trying to help us.
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Your welcome,hopefully soon we will have even better mods from the guys that are trying to help us.
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I hope lg eventually decided to give us the option to choose, basically decrease exposure to get better fps in low light. I prefer to keep my devices unrooted so I don't loose OTA updates but I'm glad that someone actually fixed it. If it gets too annoying I might eventually root
Coming from the note 7, I've gotten used to setting it on auto, taking a pic, and getting great pictures... Something I'm not seeing with the v20.
Any tips or settings that may help?
Low light pics area slow to focus and results are so so.
Pictures of moving people even in medium light are blurred
I'll try to write something up later. How much photo experience do you have? How much digital photo knowledge base do you have? (So I know what starting point to use. Photography is a lot of art meets science. It's probably one of the better examples of a right and left brain balance.)
Hmm..I knowthat shutter speed and aperture go together. How they let more more light in by opening longer or wider.
I've tried taking pictures using auto and manual (no change in any settings)..and they come out similar. Except auto seems to do a better job auto focusing.
There's a setting buried in the menu to help with tracking. Make sure you have that on. Aperture is locked down on cellphones so you only really get to play with shutter speed and ISO. Unfortunately, as ISO goes up, so does the noise coming off the sensor. So you really have to balance getting a shutter speed that's just fast enough without getting too crazy with the ISO. This will apply to all cellphones no matter what anyone tries to tell you. (And this is why the pros will always shoot with full frame DSLR's. Much larger sensor, better noise handling, can really crank up the ISO with little ill effect.)
If you're getting blurring motion, you need a faster shutter speed which means higher ISO..... or...... you can practice the old school way and get a cool effect by practicing tracking your subject by hand. I practiced with my DSLR by tracking swallows and dragonflies in flight. For a phone, I think kids running around is about the equivalent. It's difficult but highly rewarding once you get it.
Light, and lots of it, will be your friend on small sensors like these. Cranking up the ISO for darker situations means one of two things will happen. A) You will get a lot of noise from the gain applied to the signal coming off of the sensor. Depending on the quality of the noise coming off of it, this can either be bad or good. For a while, Nikon was known for having a noise quality at higher ISO's that made for excellent B&W's. I'm actually investigating that with this camera as I think it has potential. B) Aggressive noise reduction is applied to the image and it butter faces the heck out of an image and turns it all water color. I have to zoom in way too far than one should before I see this happening. So it looks like noise reduction is being applied on a smaller scale which leaves better detail and might be why I'm seeing an agreeable noise profile. A few more test shots are needed though.
I will note that this all applies to the main shooting assembly (the 16mp f1.8 sensor). The wide shooting assembly is a smaller sensor and the aperture is a smaller f2.4. So it'll require a higher ISO for the same shutter speed and it's going to be noisier shot for shot no matter what and it isn't as nice of a noise profile as the main sensor.
Camera very disappointing. My G3 takes far more better pictures than this. Do you think any software updates could improve on the quality?
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Camera very disappointing. My G3 takes far more better pictures than this. Do you think any software updates could improve on the quality?
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They could, maybe. Depends. What are you disappointed in exactly?
Auto mode. It sucks. 2 generation old note4 can take far better pictures on auto. LG has the chops to make a great camera so wtf happened on this $800 phone?
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Auto mode. It sucks. 2 generation old note4 can take far better pictures on auto. LG has the chops to make a great camera so wtf happened on this $800 phone?
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Manual mode. Manual mode happened and it's pretty damn good. A bit more manual control would make it great. (Let me decide when image stabilization is on, for instance.) This phone wasn't really about auto. That's what the Pixel is about to every degree. The V20 is about people who want to have more control over their content creation without getting too overboard.
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Manual mode. Manual mode happened and it's pretty damn good. A bit more manual control would make it great. (Let me decide when image stabilization is on, for instance.) This phone wasn't really about auto. That's what the Pixel is about to every degree. The V20 is about people who want to have more control over their content creation without getting too overboard.
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I don't mind that. It's just auto can Bork up a picture real quick. Picking the right focus point helps with light situations a lot but still auto should be more decent out of the box. Why? Because half the rest you need to take the shot right away. Manual is fine and not too much complaints about it besides the voice trigger turning itself off all the time. If the manual mode was terrible too I'd pro a lot have returned the phone already. Manual, the audio, battery life, swappable battery and reception help make up for auto's inconsistency.
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Manual mode. Manual mode happened and it's pretty damn good. A bit more manual control would make it great. (Let me decide when image stabilization is on, for instance.) This phone wasn't really about auto. That's what the Pixel is about to every degree. The V20 is about people who want to have more control over their content creation without getting too overboard.
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I want more control over the content of my phone but yet. I can not root my phone on Sprint.[emoji35]
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@rbiter said:
I don't mind that. It's just auto can Bork up a picture real quick. Picking the right focus point helps with light situations a lot but still auto should be more decent out of the box. Why? Because half the rest you need to take the shot right away. Manual is fine and not too much complaints about it besides the voice trigger turning itself off all the time. If the manual mode was terrible too I'd pro a lot have returned the phone already. Manual, the audio, battery life, swappable battery and reception help make up for auto's inconsistency.
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Auto is consistent. You just have to understand what's going on. I was really hoping that auto would have EV adjustment so we could change the bias of the exposure. The camera wants to expose a little bright to help control noise that you'll get from a small sensor. I'll take a bit of noise for a darker exposure. So to that end, I'll probably shoot manual. All I really need to do is set a minimum shutter speed and adjust ISO from there when I open the camera. That can all occur pretty fast.
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I want more control over the content of my phone but yet. I can not root my phone on Sprint.[emoji35]
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Um, you don't need root for content control. A) Your complaint needs to be in the proper thread. This is about photo/video, not root. B) Sprint. (I live in their HQ city and see their CEO regularly at some of my favorite haunts. Don't expect any miracles from Sprint. It's a top down issue.)
My opinion, the camera as a hardware is good, however, LG needs to upgrade the camera app, specially with auto mood, this coming from a user that have used Samsung for a very long time, and now very disappointing with LG camera
i hope LG is reading this, and can push that kind of update soon..
Amjad.AbdulGhani said:
My opinion, the camera as a hardware is good, however, LG needs to upgrade the camera app, specially with auto mood, this coming from a user that have used Samsung for a very long time, and now very disappointing with LG camera
i hope LG is reading this, and can push that kind of update soon..
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I agree. I came from the note 3 and i was taking side by side and the note 3 was taking better pics! Not sure if there's an issue with my v20 but ilI'lll be returning it today. Not impressed at all
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Auto is consistent. You just have to understand what's going on. I was really hoping that auto would have EV adjustment so we could change the bias of the exposure. The camera wants to expose a little bright to help control noise that you'll get from a small sensor. I'll take a bit of noise for a darker exposure. So to that end, I'll probably shoot manual. All I really need to do is set a minimum shutter speed and adjust ISO from there when I open the camera. That can all occur pretty fast.
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Auto is NOT consistent. With that being said, I've been getting better pictures, but still taking multiple pictures with different focal points to make sure I get at least one good pic of what I want. Auto works well sometimes, just needs consistency. Obviously the camera is capable of taking great pictures in almost any setting. Even low light. The hardest is when you have a very bright source of light somewhere and auto doesn't do well unless you find the right focal point, and that being where I have to take multiple pics the most. Manual can work too, but I'm not even an amateur photographer so I've been practicing to get better pictures with less adjusting. And by that I mean dialing it in less and getting the pic I want faster from practice and skill rather than paying around experimenting. It's been a learning curve for me and quite a few others. I'm quite sure a firmware update can help.
Also, I am used to my note 4 taking g great pics with auto. Also used to the extra sharpening. I've noticed the extra sharpening and do prefer more natural pictures like the lg or iPhones take. But otoh, many of my pictures at work benefit from the extra sharpening big time and kind of why I don't mind it. That extra sharpening is very very useful when magnification is needed at magnifying glass level and sometimes almost microscopic levels for very fine print, certain details on a board or power supply and especially both those reasons I'm very hard to reach places without taking everything apart.
With that being said, I also wish LG would add a toggle for sharpening when processing the pictures in auto and manual mode. Even though LG leans towards more natural pictures, a sharpen toggle would help a lot. I've just decided to keep using my v20 as a daily driver by a very slim margin. Miss my amoled and adblocking. Don't miss all the extra tweaking I had to do manually along with xposed to get my note4 the way I wanted. LG has caught up alot in their UI. It used to be terrible. But with the theme and some of the options I could live with root just to get adblocking. But when I do root I will be doing so.e tweaking g to get more battery life. And hopefully a kind developer will make a kernel with only voltage control enabled so I can under volt my CPU some.
The problem is the massive herd of Samsung users (I am one also) that were able to just point and shoot. The software did the all the work on the sammy phones. With the V20 we have to work a little to get a great picture. I noticed it today when taking a picture for of my receipts for the headphone deal.
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Auto is NOT consistent. With that being said, I've been getting better pictures, but still taking multiple pictures with different focal points to make sure I get at least one good pic of what I want. Auto works well sometimes, just needs consistency. Obviously the camera is capable of taking great pictures in almost any setting. Even low light. The hardest is when you have a very bright source of light somewhere and auto doesn't do well unless you find the right focal point, and that being where I have to take multiple pics the most. Manual can work too, but I'm not even an amateur photographer so I've been practicing to get better pictures with less adjusting. And by that I mean dialing it in less and getting the pic I want faster from practice and skill rather than paying around experimenting. It's been a learning curve for me and quite a few others. I'm quite sure a firmware update can help.
Also, I am used to my note 4 taking g great pics with auto. Also used to the extra sharpening. I've noticed the extra sharpening and do prefer more natural pictures like the lg or iPhones take. But otoh, many of my pictures at work benefit from the extra sharpening big time and kind of why I don't mind it. That extra sharpening is very very useful when magnification is needed at magnifying glass level and sometimes almost microscopic levels for very fine print, certain details on a board or power supply and especially both those reasons I'm very hard to reach places without taking everything apart.
With that being said, I also wish LG would add a toggle for sharpening when processing the pictures in auto and manual mode. Even though LG leans towards more natural pictures, a sharpen toggle would help a lot. I've just decided to keep using my v20 as a daily driver by a very slim margin. Miss my amoled and adblocking. Don't miss all the extra tweaking I had to do manually along with xposed to get my note4 the way I wanted. LG has caught up alot in their UI. It used to be terrible. But with the theme and some of the options I could live with root just to get adblocking. But when I do root I will be doing so.e tweaking g to get more battery life. And hopefully a kind developer will make a kernel with only voltage control enabled so I can under volt my CPU some.
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It is pretty consistent, you just have to understand what it is consistently doing. It's just running a program like anything else. It doesn't do things on a wild hair. That said, if you want more sharpening, I highly suggest Snapseed. It's a free app after Google bought the parent company Nik. Nik makes some of the best plug-ins for professional editing of photos. This is probably one of the more powerful photo editing apps you can get on a phone. It even edits RAW photos from the V20.
Madelynn28 said:
The problem is the massive herd of Samsung users (I am one also) that were able to just point and shoot. The software did the all the work on the sammy phones. With the V20 we have to work a little to get a great picture. I noticed it today when taking a picture for of my receipts for the headphone deal.
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I guess since I do a lot of photo work, I'm used to the idea that no camera will ever spit out a shot that's perfect right out of the box, auto or not. (Not even the three Samsungs I owned, they needed just as much adjustment as any other phone.) All images out of a camera can and do need work. For me, I feel that I don't really need to do anything out of my ordinary workflow to get images I want with the V20. I'm actually really looking forward to capturing some more classic images with this phone that haven't been achievable in recent times by most sensors these days.
It gives you a lot more options but most people don't want that. Hell I don't even want that. If I am taking a picture with my phone it just needs to get the job done. Anything else I would be using my 80D. By the way thanks for understanding and decoding those terrible sentences I wrote.
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It gives you a lot more options but most people don't want that. Hell I don't even want that. If I am taking a picture with my phone it just needs to get the job done. Anything else I would be using my 80D. By the way thanks for understanding and decoding those terrible sentences I wrote.
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That's the thing though, this phone is made for content creators, not for someone who wants to just shoot in auto all the time. That's what iPhones and Pixels are for, not this phone. This is for those who want and know how to control photo, video and audio creation. I've got full frame DSLRs, smaller mirrorless cameras but I also like to have control over my cellphone so this was a great step in my opinion.
That's fine, but a lot of people were forced here by the Note 7 blowing up. Android people don't want iPhones and not many people buy their phones outright (Pixel). When the top gun gets taken out it makes for a weird environment when people are forced to fill gaps with things they really don't want. There is the edge 7 but it's smaller and the edge screen was trash. Like I said it's a solid phone and is faster than the Note 7. It's just missing somethings I am used too.
So here comes a long post, sorry upfront
Being a professional (fashion) photographer, and personally a true lover of good photos and all that entails photo quality, the main thing I look for in a smartphone is the best possible camera. So after some reviews I decided to get the new Samsung S10+.
And I am not happy at all.
Problems:
1. There are only «natural» and «vivid» modes for the screen «calibration». Natural shows really flat tones and saturation, and vivid (with all the other adjustments) can't get anywhere close to render tones appropriately. It washes out all the highlights to blend them with those a bit darker - no depth; some colors pop out intensely (strong reds for example) while others don't match.
Along with that neither of the two modes helps to get the dark tones shown as dark as they really are, the shadows are always too bright, which adds to the washed out look of photos/low contrast.
This alone made me want to return it, until I figured out a way to make it better - by leaving it on Vivid, and turning on blue light filter on 0 - 15% opacity. Not sure why from the blue light filter, but the colors and white balance are all much more true this way than on either natural on vivid, and the contrast is better a bit, so I suggest you try it out
2. Software in the camera has an inexcusable bug (at least I hope it's a bug and it will be fixed with an update soon):
HDR is not selected, I take a photo, immediately go open it, get a spinning circle on the lower part of the screen for maybe a second, and the photo shifts in front of my eyes to an HDR kind of photo.. washes out all the highlights, pumps and fades the shadows, leaving really noticeable blotchy artifacts where there were shadows (being a professional photographer I spot that immediately, so maybe some of you haven't payed attention, but I promise you there are blotchy artifacts in brightened shadows on any S10+ camera). Obviously it does that via software in the second after the photo was taken, so you can notice it only if you open the photo from the camera app immediately after it was taken. If you continue shooting the same scene (same light), for the next immediate shot you won't see it changing, so it obviously remembers some «settings» it applies. Just mentioning this if you go try out, you can see that shift best while changing the scenes you take photos of (brighter, darker, etc).
SO - S10+ takes HDR photos, or makes HDR processing to photos, when HDR is not turned on!
And it does a lousy job at it, because the photos in general look really washed out - the are no whites, no blacks, no contrast or depth. They obviously look better on my calibrated desktop screen, because as I mentioned before, the screen on S10+ lacks in contrast of the shadows as well as in the photos, so putting those together - all the photos on S10+ screen look dull and without contrast. Other issue is that most of the times when I tried photographing the same scene with HDR on and HDR off, photos looked the same, and in some cases with HDR on it would do just a stronger HDR. Please, please, does anyone have any idea how to stop it from processing photos taken without HDR to make them look like I actually wanted that dullness?
P.s. today I did a test with Note9 and S9+, neither have that problem.
3. This is not just Samsung's problem, at least I know Huawei Mate 20Pro has the same problem - photo effects inside the camera and extra ones that you can get are so outdated that they are unusable. In today's world driven by instagram and all the apps for color «filters» (VSCO, Snapseed, etc), these on Samsung are prehistoric. I tried to find a way to make my own and load them somehow, but can't find a way. Any ideas?
4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
Looking forward to your thoughts! I love everything else about this phone, but can't stand those HDR photos from the get go, would hate to go return it just because of it..
Go to Camera, settings, save options, check if you have "HEIF pictures" enabled.
This is the same format iPhones use now if i'm not mistaken. This format saves the pictures in half size as compared to JPEG.
Unselect it and test new pictures if it improves to your picture taste.
Another option is to use GCAM (Google Camera) app. This app is directly from Google for the Pixel phones converted to use in our Galaxy S10 phones. You can get them here in XDA
HEIF pictures are not enabled.
I tried to find GCAM mod for Exynos S10+, but can't find one.. since you mentioned it, do you maybe know of one somewhere? Not sure if I'm missing something, new to XDA..
Thanks!
jbalic said:
So here comes a long post, sorry upfront
Being a professional (fashion) photographer, and personally a true lover of good photos and all that entails photo quality, the main thing I look for in a smartphone is the best possible camera. So after some reviews I decided to get the new Samsung S10+.
And I am not happy at all.
Problems:
1. There are only «natural» and «vivid» modes for the screen «calibration». Natural shows really flat tones and saturation, and vivid (with all the other adjustments) can't get anywhere close to render tones appropriately. It washes out all the highlights to blend them with those a bit darker - no depth; some colors pop out intensely (strong reds for example) while others don't match.
Along with that neither of the two modes helps to get the dark tones shown as dark as they really are, the shadows are always too bright, which adds to the washed out look of photos/low contrast.
This alone made me want to return it, until I figured out a way to make it better - by leaving it on Vivid, and turning on blue light filter on 0 - 15% opacity. Not sure why from the blue light filter, but the colors and white balance are all much more true this way than on either natural on vivid, and the contrast is better a bit, so I suggest you try it out
2. Software in the camera has an inexcusable bug (at least I hope it's a bug and it will be fixed with an update soon):
HDR is not selected, I take a photo, immediately go open it, get a spinning circle on the lower part of the screen for maybe a second, and the photo shifts in front of my eyes to an HDR kind of photo.. washes out all the highlights, pumps and fades the shadows, leaving really noticeable blotchy artifacts where there were shadows (being a professional photographer I spot that immediately, so maybe some of you haven't payed attention, but I promise you there are blotchy artifacts in brightened shadows on any S10+ camera). Obviously it does that via software in the second after the photo was taken, so you can notice it only if you open the photo from the camera app immediately after it was taken. If you continue shooting the same scene (same light), for the next immediate shot you won't see it changing, so it obviously remembers some «settings» it applies. Just mentioning this if you go try out, you can see that shift best while changing the scenes you take photos of (brighter, darker, etc).
SO - S10+ takes HDR photos, or makes HDR processing to photos, when HDR is not turned on!
And it does a lousy job at it, because the photos in general look really washed out - the are no whites, no blacks, no contrast or depth. They obviously look better on my calibrated desktop screen, because as I mentioned before, the screen on S10+ lacks in contrast of the shadows as well as in the photos, so putting those together - all the photos on S10+ screen look dull and without contrast. Other issue is that most of the times when I tried photographing the same scene with HDR on and HDR off, photos looked the same, and in some cases with HDR on it would do just a stronger HDR. Please, please, does anyone have any idea how to stop it from processing photos taken without HDR to make them look like I actually wanted that dullness?
P.s. today I did a test with Note9 and S9+, neither have that problem.
3. This is not just Samsung's problem, at least I know Huawei Mate 20Pro has the same problem - photo effects inside the camera and extra ones that you can get are so outdated that they are unusable. In today's world driven by instagram and all the apps for color «filters» (VSCO, Snapseed, etc), these on Samsung are prehistoric. I tried to find a way to make my own and load them somehow, but can't find a way. Any ideas?
4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
Looking forward to your thoughts! I love everything else about this phone, but can't stand those HDR photos from the get go, would hate to go return it just because of it..
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Pixel3
Mate20Pro
Yes, I have a S10.
Its the second one, the first was so bad with the screen and with the camera.
Se Second one is good in camera and very good in the screen.
But it not compares with my Mate20Pro in the camera.
Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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my first S10 was updated and the camera was very bad.
The screen was dull, with low brightness comparing with my Mate20Pro.
This one didn't update an the camera is soo much good but the detail that my Mate20Pro captures its insane.
And the screen its top notch!
I think I will not update the software... for now..
For me, its a display problem. I looked at this photo comparing the XS and the S10 https:// photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/30033-48976-iPhone-XS-Max-and-Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus-Human-Portrait-mode-l.jpg and compared it side to side from my s10 to my macbook and on the S10 its pale, like the guy is dead. What's the problem with the display?? I shouldnt have to activate color adjustment, no ?
Color Washed
Just a heads up to everyone who has the S10. The color saturation of the screen even when Vivid is enabled doesn't display the saturation correctly... To fix this "enable blue light filter" and set it at the lowest possible then go back and look at a picture you will see how it is no longer washed out. I assume they are going to fix this in a future update. Cheers ?
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For me, its a display problem. I looked at this photo comparing the XS and the S10 https:// photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/30033-48976-iPhone-XS-Max-and-Samsung-Galaxy-S10-Plus-Human-Portrait-mode-l.jpg and compared it side to side from my s10 to my macbook and on the S10 its pale, like the guy is dead. What's the problem with the display?? I shouldnt have to activate color adjustment, no ?
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Turn on Blue Light Filter and set the effect to minimum. This will correct the "dull" look and restore the full color saturation
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Well, Pixel3 and Mate20Pro were definitely top choices along with S10+, shades decided.. I have a week left to return it and go for either of these two if I don't find a way to resolve this, or decide to play lottery by waiting on a software upgrade which would fix it. And that doesn't seem like a good idea..
What was wrong with the screen and camera of your first S10? Mine feels very wrong, my first instinct was to go exchange it, but then I tried out others in different stores and got the same thing with them concerning screen and camera :/ stunned it could be this awful.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation ? I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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I wrote in my original post that the best you can get out of this screen is by turning on blue light at minimum; managed to find that, helps at least 80%. But the camera HDR shadowless dimensionless photos - worst software processing of any Samsung phone up to date. I have 5 days to return it for full amount, so I'll do that, don't want to take chances on waiting for that update if it even comes.. Then I'll just wait a bit for either them to fix it and I buy it again (I am only sad to leave the superior battery and wide angle camera, that's it) or wait for a new Huawei or Pixel to see what they're up to.
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Turn on Blue light filter and set the effect to minimum, then go and check the color saturation I'm sure they will be fixing this in a future update.
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Thank you so much!!! You made my day guys!
Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?
As a professional fashion photographer you should also know that you shouldn't rely on what the picture looks like on the display because many different factors come into play. Some displays and brighter than others just like some are for saturated. As long as you know that you're lighting and exposure is correct you should be fine.
On another note you can also save a raw file of the image.
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As a professional fashion photographer you should also know that you shouldn't rely on what the picture looks like on the display because many different factors come into play. Some displays and brighter than others just like some are for saturated. As long as you know that you're lighting and exposure is correct you should be fine.
On another note you can also save a raw file of the image.
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Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?
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@Corv0:
how can HEIF help me with lousy color and luminosity rendering (screen problem) and bad software processing (camera problem)?
@-Alan: maybe you should read my first post again? I already wrote that the screen on S10+ is poorly calibrated (no really dark tones = bad contrast, color shift, natural and vivid modes are both awful, blue light filter on low opacity saves it mostly, still not good enough compared to most other phone screens I used); and that photos look a bit better contrast wise on my calibrated desktop screen. That doesn't make it ok if I use a lousy screen on my phone all the time and look at photos on it which are miles away from saying "yeah, I know amoled phone screen can't be anywhere close to my Eizo but it's good enough for a phone".
There will always be compromises, but this is too big of a compromise if everything looks awful on the screen of a phone I use extensively every day.
That goes for the screen, and then there is the added problem of bad processing of photos from the camera, which I can't counteract on except shooting everything raw. So when you mention being ok with knowing the exposure is ok - for everyday use of phone camera I will never shoot anything in RAW because that would require spending extra hours and hours to postprocess everything on my own to usable jpegs, which is not why raw is there in phones in the first place. Camera in a phone like this should give you good enough starting point of their jpeg processing so you don't need to do it on your own to make it look ok for everyday stuff. This one doesn't. And if it forces users to shoot everything in RAW to make it look ok, that's a huge fail. On any professional SLR camera you will shoot RAW when it's important or desired to get the look of a jpeg better than the one the camera processes, but you can rely on mostly any SLR camera to give you a decent jpeg if your exposure is ok (shutter speed, aperture, WB, focus, ISO). S10+ simply does not produce a good enough jpeg to start with when the exposure is ok, because it processes that jpeg as a lousy HDR when HDR is off, and by lousy I mean shadowless, flat, wihout any depth and dimension. That is not my problem while taking photos (exposure wise), it's a software problem.
Well then either wait for updates or change phone Mr Photographer, I personally dont agree with you at any point so I can't provide any help either.
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Well then either wait for updates or change phone Mr Photographer, I personally dont agree with you at any point so I can't provide any help either.
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Lousy puns with no merit, but ok. Still didn't get a reply from you - how does HEIF help anything I outlined as issues on this phone? This MRS Photographer doesn't know so I'd be happy if you could enlighten me? Thanks.
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Lousy puns with no merit, but ok. Still didn't get a reply from you - how does HEIF help anything I outlined as issues on this phone? This MRS Photographer doesn't know so I'd be happy if you could enlighten me? Thanks.
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I never said HEIF is supposed to help anything.
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4. Same scene photographed with S10+ is 3mb, and with my older Samsung S7 it's 4mb. How can that be? Why isn't there no more a setting in the camera app to choose resolution?
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Just pointing out how this stupid question contradicts the rest of your boasting around, you should have studied that in your course.
But yes, you can change resolution by changing aspect ratio in the main interface, there's absolutely no other reason to provide multiple resolutions besides for ratio testing, if you are so worried about size you can digitally reduce the resolution in the post-processing phase.
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I never said HEIF is supposed to help anything.
Just pointing out how this stupid question contradicts the rest of your boasting around, you should have studied that in your course.
But yes, you can change resolution by changing aspect ratio in the main interface, there's absolutely no other reason to provide multiple resolutions besides for ratio testing, if you are so worried about size you can digitally reduce the resolution in the post-processing phase.
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You are really trolling me here.. first you write "Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?", than I ask what you meant by that since I never mentioned HEIF anywhere, besides answering a question of another poster if it was turned on maybe, and the answer was no. HEIF has no influence on any problem I wrote of. Trolling.
As for the resolution, it hardly underestimates my profession or knowledge, which, I assure you is vast on matters like this. Older Samsung phones had a choice between two resolutions for the same aspect ratio (for example 4:3 in Samsung S7 you can choose 12M, or 6.2M; for 16:9 9.1M or 3.7M etc.). On S10+ there is only one resolution for 4:3 or any ratio, and its low.
So I still see no merit to your undermining my knowledge in what I do professionally, except to troll or just be rude.
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You are really trolling me here.. first you write "Professional photographer yet you don't know about HEIF?", than I ask what you meant by that since I never mentioned HEIF anywhere, besides answering a question of another poster if it was turned on maybe, and the answer was no. HEIF has no influence on any problem I wrote of. Trolling.
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Boy, HEIF is why files of the same resolution and scene occupy less space, other users already explained that, you need to engage a few more brain cells before calling trolls.
No need to be hostile because you failed to prove yourself, move on with your life.