Wth did Motorola do!!! Looks like we suffer from the same thing the droid turbo does, no simultaneous voice and data till VOLTE update. This seems like a massive step backwards.
http://phandroid.com/2014/09/20/verizon-moto-x-launch-without-simultaneous-voice-data/
I dont have this problems, but im not on VzW either
But isnt this a way to eliminate the CDMA system ? How is that a step backwards ?
It does sucks right now, but its supposed to be much better isnt it ?
Not yet but we will soon. This phone was developed to support volte. Im waiting for the update as well. Hope its not buggy....
I don't think full volte is the answer especially when LTE speeds can vary so wildly, call are going to be unreliable . I can still make a regular voice call on zero bars most times. Don't see how this is the future
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I don't think full volte is the answer especially when LTE speeds can vary so wildly, call are going to be unreliable . I can still make a regular voice call on zero bars most times. Don't see how this is the future
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Agreed. The idea of VZW deploying technology that drops calls is astonishing to me. In my area, my phone switches frequently between 4G and 3G (typically when walking into stores and restaurants).
I have stuck with VZW for 15+ years because of the great phone service.
I found this out the hard way the other day... i really hope advanced calling 1.0 (or whatever its called) comes out soon. I feel like simultaneous voice + data was fixed 5+ years ago.
I didn't realize this until the other day. Its one feature I miss from my note 3
How does the lack of simultaneous voice and data affect everyone? The only time I foresee a problem is using navigation (Google maps) while on a call.
For me I may have to look up something while on the phone with an employee. Now I have to hang up and call them back. Its a pain
Using Google voice for calls is a work around for now since that just uses data
It's not actually Motorola fault its Verizon. Verizon is forcing all new phones to go this route so they can push their "advanced calling" aka VoLTE. Once the switch everyone over to this they can start refarming their CDMA network.
It's also an issue on US Cellular. The Moto X 2014 and the LG G3 both do not support simultaneous talk/data, while older devices have. I've heard rumors that this "feature" (or lack of a feature) is paving the way to LTE roaming, though I have no concrete evidence.
My Moto X is TMobile, so not an issue. However I grabbed A Droid Turbo on Friday and the workaround is easy, just use Google Hangouts to make your voice calls over data. I tested over the weekend and it sounds clear enough and was surprisingly light on the data.
You might have to have Google Voice to make it work.
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Your devices work fine with VoLTE. Your carriers are assholes.
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My Moto X is TMobile, so not an issue. However I grabbed A Droid Turbo on Friday and the workaround is easy, just use Google Hangouts to make your voice calls over data. I tested over the weekend and it sounds clear enough and was surprisingly light on the data.
You might have to have Google Voice to make it work.
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The only problem with that is it uses a different phone number, so nobody knows who is calling them., which often times means they aren't going to answer.
It'll come soon. The droid Turbo (as well as the Moto x) will have VoLTE soon... Probably Q1 2015
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The only problem with that is it uses a different phone number, so nobody knows who is calling them., which often times means they aren't going to answer.
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It uses your Google Voice number, which for many of us, it's the only number we give out. It's not an issue for those fully vested in Google Voice. They're might even be done way to have Hangouts show your actual number if that's an issue for you.
Right now, on every device I own, including an LTE N7, if I were to call you, you would be unable to tell if I were using phone company voice or Hangouts VOIP. At least not by the caller ID.
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It uses your Google Voice number, which for many of us, it's the only number we give out. It's not an issue for those fully vested in Google Voice. They're might even be done way to have Hangouts show your actual number if that's an issue for you.
Right now, on every device I own, including an LTE N7, if I were to call you, you would be unable to tell if I were using phone company voice or Hangouts VOIP. At least not by the caller ID.
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Everyone has my carrier phone number so switching to my google voice number would be tedious. I was hoping there was a way around that. Thanks for the reply.
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Everyone has my carrier phone number so switching to my google voice number would be tedious. I was hoping there was a way around that. Thanks for the reply.
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Get your calls forwarded! Its easy on US Cellular. I have it so anyone calling my cell number automatically (and unknowingly) gets forwarded to my GVoice.
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Long time AT&T customer probably switching to Sprint, been eyeing the Epic..
If I get a voice call, is it possible (if I'm using a BT headset or speakerphone) to fire up a web browser on it and use that while I'm in-call? To look things up, or whatever?
If it can't do that, are there any other Sprint phones that can (EVO, for example?)
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if i remember right, you can use data and voice only when you are connected onto 4G and WIFI, but not 3G. i have not tested this out yet to confirm but i remember reading that somewhere if i read it right. i also came from att (iphone) and being able to use data (3G) and voice at the same time was a major plus. ill have to try it out though later on my epic.
Yes u can use data while on a call only if you are on WiFi or 4g. Tested and verified.
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Well, drat. Thanks fellas. Not that I do that very often, but it does come in handy. I checked and EVO "suffers" from the same problem.
Again, thanks, that's handy to know.
Its a cdma limitation, not a device one. Both sprint and verizon have this issue.
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Its a cdma limitation, not a device one. Both sprint and verizon have this issue.
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Some might say it is a "limitation", however is it the reason why cdma networks do not suffer from dropped calls like gsm networks do.
For more information, you can check out this rather lengthy post about why cdma is better than gsm.
yeah, i experience the same thing. it's becoming pretty much a deal breaker for me, as often i am on the phone for an hour or more and am trying to look things up at the same time. no joy. plus the abysmal battery life has me glad that i am still in the 30 day window ?; i like the phone a lot otherwise. wish i could get it for ATT. i have never had problems with their service, and would love to be able to talk and surf at the same time.
On 3g only voice.
On 4g voice n data simultaneous
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Some might say it is a "limitation", however is it the reason why cdma networks do not suffer from dropped calls like gsm networks do.
For more information, you can check out this rather lengthy post about why cdma is better than gsm.
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+1 you can thank the iPhone and this great "feature" for the ****ty network over at ATT
Some are saying they cannot use data while on a voice call, yet some claim they can. The official VZW response is supposedly that it won't happen until the Advanced Calling 1.0 update "by the end of the year".
Would those of you with one in hand please confirm if this is different depending on which network type you are on. i.e. 3G, 4G LTE, or 4G XLTE?
I was ready to pick one up until I saw this since this is a very important ability for me. It's like it is 2008 all over. I'm pretty shocked they would release a device "temporarily" with less ability than the previous generation.
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No you can not
We'll have to wait just like the Moto X.
The Sony Z3v also can not do Simultaneous Voice+Data .
I wonder if the Nexus 6 will also have this issue?
Is this just 3G and data? I'm not understanding why u can't use 4G and talk at the same time.
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Is this just 3G and data? I'm not understanding why u can't use 4G and talk at the same time.
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From what I've read, the Moto X (2014) and the Droid Turbo share the antenna for the 3G and 4G radios opposed to previous generations to cut production costs. Older phones would use 3G to talk and 4G was used for data I believe. If you set an older 4G phone to LTE only, you couldn't make a phone call, but could surf the net. Until they update the software that administers VoLTE to handle data at the same time, we are stuck back in 2010.
You can't talk and use data at the same time, unless you are in a VoLTE market.
Ugh. My OG Moto X can do this. Think I'll just wait to get this until the VoLTE update.
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Wow...that is terrible. How do you launch a phone in Oct 2014 without a key function from 3 years ago???
So this mean I won't be able to use my navigation (Google maps / Waze) while talking on the phone?
Actually you can use voice and data at the same time... When using an AT&T sim card
It is only on 3G but will do voice and data. Until VoLTE for VZW this just won't happen.
Just to confirm. Few phones can do EVDO and 1XRTT Voice simultaneously (Rezound, Thunderbolt, S3(I think)), but every Verizon 4G phone to date that I am aware of can use LTE and 1XRTT simultaneously. It would be ridiculous to drop LTE when making a phone call!
Please tell me this thing can use LTE on a phone call.
No. There is no simultaneous voice+data. Unless you're connected to an active WiFi.
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Just to confirm. Few phones can do EVDO and 1XRTT Voice simultaneously (Rezound, Thunderbolt, S3(I think)), but every Verizon 4G phone to date that I am aware of can use LTE and 1XRTT simultaneously. It would be ridiculous to drop LTE when making a phone call!
Please tell me this thing can use LTE on a phone call.
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Nope. When on LTE, I made a phone call and the data went to grayed out 1x.
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You can't talk and use data at the same time, unless you are in a VoLTE market.
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Isn't it where both phones need to be Verizon VOLTE enabled and both parties need to be in Verizon VOLTE markets?
So lets say when the Droid Turbo gets VOLTE... can I talk & surf at the same time while calling my sister who is on AT&T? Or am I screwed unless she gets on Verizon and her area allows VOLTE?
I find this hard to believe.
Does this impact users outside US (and hence not on VZ network)?
I'm going to shoot myself. I cant believe I didnt check on this before ordering. Every phone I've had in the last few years starting with my old Thunderbolt could do simultanious voice/data using the different bands. I thought the issue was basically limited iphones.
They better enable the VoLTE and fast. I cant go too long without it. May have to return the phone and re-order once its been enabled. Its too important a feature for my daily business needs.
Yeah this is a key feature where I'm like WTF. Im gonna hold off for a bit and see what happens and pray the Nexus 6 won't be like this since its a phone that is designed to run on all carriers.
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Yeah this is a key feature where I'm like WTF. Im gonna hold off for a bit and see what happens and pray the Nexus 6 won't be like this since its a phone that is designed to run on all carriers.
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If the Moto X and DROID Turbo are like this, I bet the Nexus 6 will be as well, they are all very similar.
Well i was thinking that to but being that the nexus is a one device for all carriers unlike moto x and turbo i wondered if that antenna would be made the same.
Stolen from the comments on a long Droid Life thread about this exact thing:
Moto X 2nd Gen does not do voice/data. Z3v does not. Droid Turbo does not.
These can do LTE data and voice: DNA, Moto X (2013), S4, G2, One M8, S5, G3, Note 4. (and most other phones pre August 2014.)
Nexus 6: Don't know yet but not looking great.
Once VoLTE is enabled, how does it work? Will I be able to get voice and data with anyone as long as I am on LTE? Will it be limited to only other Verizon customers who also have VoLTE enabled? if it is the later, I need to convince a manger to let me return this phone, ie, it was a mistake to switch from the Note 4 if true.
Can't be specific about changes obviously...as per soak instructions...but I can say for sure a certain feature we've all been missing has been restored to us. PM me if you want details.
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So.... It comes with root?
lol to beat me to it! :highfive:
Haha..I wish..but no
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Yay finally we get Lollipop
Again..I wish... But no
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Unlocked bands?
Most likely VoLTE...
Longer battery?!
It's VoLTE. Or, simultaneous Voice and Data as was missing from the device at launch with the promise to be fixed with an update by the end of the year.
I'm curious, though, if it counts towards your data allowance to use VoLTE. Does anyone know?
It doesn't count against your data plan according to the Verizon FAQ
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It's VoLTE. Or, simultaneous Voice and Data as was missing from the device at launch with the promise to be fixed with an update by the end of the year.
I'm curious, though, if it counts towards your data allowance to use VoLTE. Does anyone know?
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Voice no, video yes.
It's disappointing that the update is (apparently) only/mainly VoLTE, and not Android 5.0. Since carrier certification is a relatively slow, painful process, I think this is a sign that the Lollipop update is more than a couple months away.
I was initially excited about VoLTE, but I wasn't impressed with it when I used it briefly on my Droid Maxx. First, it wasn't reliable- I had dropped calls, and calls that never even rang my phone. Second, it killed my battery. It was rough- really rough- on it. I think both are related to the relatively weak LTE signal I have at home. To deal with the signal problems I have a Verizon network extender, but it looked like my phone was preferring the weak LTE signal over the strong signal from the network extender.
I wish Verizon would have just sucked it up and supported Wifi calling with Advanced Calling 1.0. I don't understand why they dislike Wifi calling so much. They're going to eventually support it, but the company's statements suggest they aren't happy about it. Who knows how much support there will be for it, though. Verizon apparently plans to release a LTE network extender at some point, which is only useful in certain niche situations if Wifi calling is broadly supported on VZW devices.
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It's disappointing that the update is (apparently) only/mainly VoLTE, and not Android 5.0. Since carrier certification is a relatively slow, painful process, I think this is a sign that the Lollipop update is more than a couple months away.
I was initially excited about VoLTE, but I wasn't impressed with it when I used it briefly on my Droid Maxx. First, it wasn't reliable- I had dropped calls, and calls that never even rang my phone. Second, it killed my battery. It was rough- really rough- on it. I think both are related to the relatively weak LTE signal I have at home. To deal with the signal problems I have a Verizon network extender, but it looked like my phone was preferring the weak LTE signal over the strong signal from the network extender.
I wish Verizon would have just sucked it up and supported Wifi calling with Advanced Calling 1.0. I don't understand why they dislike Wifi calling so much. They're going to eventually support it, but the company's statements suggest they aren't happy about it. Who knows how much support there will be for it, though. Verizon apparently plans to release a LTE network extender at some point, which is only useful in certain niche situations if Wifi calling is broadly supported on VZW devices.
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Wifi calling is for carriers that need someone else's network to supplement their own shortcomings.
That is why they don't implement it.
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Wifi calling is for carriers that need someone else's network to supplement their own shortcomings.
That is why they don't implement it.
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So is it just a messaging problem? Verizon doesn't want to support wifi calling because it's an implicit admission that they don't have great coverage everywhere?
Generally, I agree VZW coverage is pretty good. But, it's not great at my house, and its terrible at my workplace. VZW already implicitly acknowledges that they don't have great coverage everywhere by selling network extenders. They're continuing that by coming out with LTE network extenders (someday).
It just seems like its a cheaper, better option to support wifi calling, rather than forcing people (with coverage problems) to shell out $200-300 for a network extender.
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Wifi calling is for carriers that need someone else's network to supplement their own shortcomings.
That is why they don't implement it.
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I still think every carrier should support this. I'm in IT, and constantly find myself in data centers, or even meeting rooms deep into a building that you couldn't even make an E-911 call from... It really wouldn't be that difficult. When TMob had UMA back in '08 and I had a BB, I used it extensively. It was never because TMobile didn't have enough coverage.. Carriers basically make money when you use their network. Yes, most people have unlimited plans these days, but they build their network around the use it has. So why wouldn't they want you to be using your phone, minutes, texts, etc? On the other hand, why wouldn't they want to offload congestion to networks they don't have to maintain or pay for? There just aren't any down sides to have WiFi calling/text/mms.
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I still think every carrier should support this. I'm in IT, and constantly find myself in data centers, or even meeting rooms deep into a building that you couldn't even make an E-911 call from... It really wouldn't be that difficult. When TMob had UMA back in '08 and I had a BB, I used it extensively. It was never because TMobile didn't have enough coverage.. Carriers basically make money when you use their network. Yes, most people have unlimited plans these days, but they build their network around the use it has. So why wouldn't they want you to be using your phone, minutes, texts, etc? On the other hand, why wouldn't they want to offload congestion to networks they don't have to maintain or pay for? There just aren't any down sides to have WiFi calling/text/mms.
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You can make calls through Hangouts if that helps ya.
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It doesn't count against your data plan according to the Verizon FAQ
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Any chance anyone who has the update can see if it fixes the shutter lag?
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Any chance anyone who has the update can see if it fixes the shutter lag?
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There is a definite improvement, IMO
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You can make calls through Hangouts if that helps ya.
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Can you? I mean, I knew you could, but it rides WiFi, and doesn't do the Google Voice thing where you still need cell service?
So I returned my Designed by You DT2 to a V store and got a 32GB DT2 because my calls kept fading out according to people and clients I call. So now I'm having the same issue with the new DT2, so before I throw in the towel and completely return this device, I want to know if anyone else is having the same issue. Calls fading in and out.
I've reset my phone twice, and played around with the Advanced Calling feature by turning it both off and on. I'm just really bummed because I'm really liking this phone now.
Only use advanced calling if you live/work in a very strong LTE network.
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Only use advanced calling if you live/work in a very strong LTE network.
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Yeah I guess that is it. I guess for some reason I always thought it was on on my DT1. My 4G LTE coverage at my house (where I also work) is typically bouncing between 2-3 bars out of 5 bars of service.
Yeah I've noticed issues too. I got 2 bars in my house with both my DT2 and my old Moto X 2013. Although audio is choppy at best and some calls are dropped altogether with my DT2. I saw the same thing with the Nexus 5X I test drove though.
Advanced calling is a new feature for the Verizon network. I live in a major metro area and I have no issues. I am not always so lucky when I'm travelling. This is a limitation of the Verizon network. If you want simultaneous voice/data on the newer devices with a single radio, you need HD Voice enabled. Otherwise, if you'll need to switch carriers, or downgrade to an older device with dual radios. Unfortunately, there is no free lunch. Progress comes with transitional pains.
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Advanced calling is a new feature for the Verizon network. I live in a major metro area and I have no issues. I am not always so lucky when I'm travelling. This is a limitation of the Verizon network. If you want simultaneous voice/data on the newer devices with a single radio, you need HD Voice enabled. Otherwise, if you'll need to switch carriers, or downgrade to an older device with dual radios. Unfortunately, there is no free lunch. Progress comes with transitional pains.
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Yes it does!
Altogether I'm happy with my 32GB vs the Design Your Own 64GB simply because I have rather large micro SD cards...lol So I don't really care how much onboard storage I have. But it does suck having to learn this lesson the hardway, a little part of me was looking forward to the design refresh I'll admit, but it's not the end of the world. =)
Has anyone tried getting Wifi calling for T-Mobile to work? It stinks that my Nexus 6 (which I bought via Verizon) works just fine with wifi calling for T-Mobile after I switched, yet so far, the G4 (also Motorola) doesn't seem to work.
As far as I can tell, either the ROM or the phone does not support WiFi calling regardless of SIM. There is no Wifi calling option in the settings where it is on the 6p. This phone feels so amazingly stock, I would LOVE if someone could figure out WiFi calling. It is a bit of a deal breaker for me, but I'm trying to stick it out because I really like the G4 so far.
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As far as I can tell, either the ROM or the phone does not support WiFi calling regardless of SIM. There is no Wifi calling option in the settings where it is on the 6p. This phone feels so amazingly stock, I would LOVE if someone could figure out WiFi calling. It is a bit of a deal breaker for me, but I'm trying to stick it out because I really like the G4 so far.
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wtf really? I thought that wifi calling was now integrated into android....since it was in the nexus 5x and 6p. I'm on t-mobile and wifi calling is a must have (given their spotty coverage). I just got my Moto G4 yesterday but hadn't added my sim yet until I could figure out whether to de-bloat and/or unlock it, but if it doesn't have wifi calling its going to have to go back to Amazon. Might it be something that will be enabled through a Cyanogen mod rom?
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wtf really? I thought that wifi calling was now integrated into android....since it was in the nexus 5x and 6p. I'm on t-mobile and wifi calling is a must have (given their spotty coverage). I just got my Moto G4 yesterday but hadn't added my sim yet until I could figure out whether to de-bloat and/or unlock it, but if it doesn't have wifi calling its going to have to go back to Amazon. Might it be something that will be enabled through a Cyanogen mod rom?
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I'm also on T-Mobile, and in a similar boat. I'm hopeful someone will figure out how to enable it. On the plus side, this thing has EXCELLENT reception. It blows away my iPhone 6S.
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I'm also on T-Mobile, and in a similar boat. I'm hopeful someone will figure out how to enable it. On the plus side, this thing has EXCELLENT reception. It blows away my iPhone 6S.
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I second that, Great reception AND it has the 700 mhz band for new T-Mobile LTE.
Some stuff about t-mobile 700mhz LTE band devices: http://www.spectrumgateway.com/compatible-phones
Some more here about VoLTE and WiFi calling: https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/co...day_anybody_able_to_confirm/d59x5ed?context=2
Is there any way to find out definitively if this will or will not become available? If I'm going to return this phone I'd rather not find out later that I didn't need to do so.
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I'm also on T-Mobile, and in a similar boat. I'm hopeful someone will figure out how to enable it. On the plus side, this thing has EXCELLENT reception. It blows away my iPhone 6S.
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A couple of alternatives would be google hangouts to make and receive calls on your google voice number....
2nd alternative.....install talkatone which includes a large number of free minutes for calls each month....have your google voice number ring both your phone AND the talkatone number and answer whichever one.
Just some suggestions.
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A couple of alternatives would be google hangouts to make and receive calls on your google voice number....
2nd alternative.....install talkatone which includes a large number of free minutes for calls each month....have your google voice number ring both your phone AND the talkatone number and answer whichever one.
Just some suggestions.
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Yeah, I've thought about doing that, but I want to be able to get calls from the number everyone has for me seamlessly without having to give out a second number. It works flawlessly on my 2013 iphone 5s (which is barely hanging in there after taking a drink in the neighbor's pool and getting a subsequent rice bath) and I just want it to work on a 2016 Android phone.
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Is there any way to find out definitively if this will or will not become available? If I'm going to return this phone I'd rather not find out later that I didn't need to do so.
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Last year's Moto X Pure never got WiFi calling, so I don't expect the G4 to get it.
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Last year's Moto X Pure never got WiFi calling, so I don't expect the G4 to get it.
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Feels like it should have. If Apple can do it. Android should be able to do it too yes?
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Feels like it should have. If Apple can do it. Android should be able to do it too yes?
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Android can do it fine, the Nexus 5X and 6P can do TMO WiFi Calling, guess Moto just doesn't want to bother with it.
Many retail mobiles have "Wifi Calling" function but not any menu entry to enable , The APP can check the hidden function and enable it if can use.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.widget7.wifi.calling