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[Q] Can't decide Razr M or SG III

Hi Guys,
Before I saw Razr M, I was set on SG III. Best Android out there. But Razr M come along and it's hits my sweet spot in terms of size. I am not that big a fan of big phones, but SG III was thin and was okay.
Tried M in the store and this thing is nice!! Fits in the hand well, looks very well build(like my T420s ) . Unlike SG III, didn't have to hyperextend my thumb to reach the diagonal end of the screen.
Though, a few places SG III does seem to have the better spec - better screen, removable battery, more internal memory, supports 64GB card, already has better android dev support(not sure if Razr M will get dev support).
But man, its just fits like a hand to a glove -- unlike O.J Simpson's glove Can't make up my mind.
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?

themogul said:
Hi Guys,
Before I saw Razr M, I was set on SG III. Best Android out there. But Razr M come along and it's hits my sweet spot in terms of size. I am not that big a fan of big phones, but SG III was thin and was okay.
Tried M in the store and this thing is nice!! Fits in the hand well, looks very well build(like my T420s ) . Unlike SG III, didn't have to hyperextend my thumb to reach the diagonal end of the screen.
Though, a few places SG III does seem to have the better spec - better screen, removable battery, more internal memory, supports 64GB card, already has better android dev support(not sure if Razr M will get dev support).
But man, its just fits like a hand to a glove -- unlike O.J Simpson's glove Can't make up my mind.
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?
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For 100 bucks, it can't be beat. They also did a good job of not raping the ICS experience. I'm very pleased with this phone. The non-removable battery bugs me, too. But, for $100, I don't think it's a bad risk. Just charge it correctly and the phone should last a good two yrs on it. Oh, and the battery life is very nice. I had an 1800 mAh in my X and this is smoking that battery. Definitely a nice little upgrade from the bolt lol. And, color led's....Moto hardware.

I've been using the M since the launch, replacing a RAZR MAXX. I don't like Samsung Android phones for a number of reasons; I don't have a recent one so I can't compare. My last four phones have been Motorola android. I do look around and almost bought the iphone4S in the spring but decided on the RAZR MAXX. I don't consider myself a fanboy but I have been sticking to Motorola.
The build quality of the phone is excellent. No problem holding a signal. The phone is very loud and sound is clear, both phone and speaker; important to me as I use mine on noisy streets. I like the size better than the MAXX, as you said, easier to move your thumb from one side to the other. The size is closer to a 4" screen because you have the bottom row of buttons using screen space unlike prior dedicated buttons. I'd rather have a removable battery too but Motorola seems to be moving away from these. The battery seems to charge faster than my other phones. I don't use my phone for videos or games so the screen is fine for my needs although it isn't as readable outdoors as my D3 (both on auto brightness). Phone supports 64gB cards according to this thread:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/e25e57fac0
Since a developer's edition is available on Verizon I would think you'll see more support for these three Motorola phones from the developer community than any other on Verizon. Full disclosure, I did get mine free at the launch event but I really like this phone with the battery being the biggest negative as I'm not near a charger all day when I'm out of the office. I don't come close to the "20 hours of mixed usage" in the device specifications.

themogul said:
Hi Guys,
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?
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If big screen is not your choice, you can happily buy it, I am also very much impressed with RAZR M's almost frame-less display.. I am waiting for Intel version, coming this 18th....

themogul said:
Hi Guys,
Before I saw Razr M, I was set on SG III. Best Android out there. But Razr M come along and it's hits my sweet spot in terms of size. I am not that big a fan of big phones, but SG III was thin and was okay.
Tried M in the store and this thing is nice!! Fits in the hand well, looks very well build(like my T420s ) . Unlike SG III, didn't have to hyperextend my thumb to reach the diagonal end of the screen.
Though, a few places SG III does seem to have the better spec - better screen, removable battery, more internal memory, supports 64GB card, already has better android dev support(not sure if Razr M will get dev support).
But man, its just fits like a hand to a glove -- unlike O.J Simpson's glove Can't make up my mind.
Experts, what would you recommend... Anybody who's made the switch yet?
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i just did, also a t420s user (and prior t410s). im loving it so far. i was stuck between the two and wanted to smaller form factor.
need to find a battery charger, used to external charger and spare batts to carry round for a long weeked of travel.

I'd get the RAZR M, hands down. The oversized SIII does not appeal to me at all. I don't need to win any arguments against the nerds, so the slight sacrifice in specs doesn't matter to me. It uses the same processor, anyway, so the only thing you're missing is the RAM and the storage. Plus, I'm really not a fan of the cheap plastic that Samsung uses, and Samsung in general just has been pissing me off as of late.

I've been comparing both the last couple of days (Verizon) and will try and comment more later tonight, but I've decided on the M. A lot more to say, but signal strength was noticeably better on the M (wifi and cell - thank you Moto), build quality feels more solid, and battery life seems marginally better (I'm sure because of the signal strength difference and screen difference). Not that there weren't things I liked better on the S3, but in my case the M made the most sense. Will try and elaborate more later.
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Thanks guys. This is a very good(and encouraging) discussion.
jntdroid - Waiting to read what you have to say after your analysis.
Str0ntium - I am no techie expert by any stretch, so what steps do I have to take to extend the battery life. My current(2yr old) is just sputtering and just drains battery quickly. Have to charge it at least twice a day with minimal use. I probably did not take the correct steps to extend it's life.

themogul said:
Thanks guys. This is a very good(and encouraging) discussion.
jntdroid - Waiting to read what you have to say after your analysis.
Str0ntium - I am no techie expert by any stretch, so what steps do I have to take to extend the battery life. My current(2yr old) is just sputtering and just drains battery quickly. Have to charge it at least twice a day with minimal use. I probably did not take the correct steps to extend it's life.
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For me this is very good out the box I am a very heavy user and usually get 2-4 tops with my other phones that 11 percent lasted another 2 hours!!
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nagnrik said:
If big screen is not your choice, you can happily buy it, I am also very much impressed with RAZR M's almost frame-less display.. I am waiting for Intel version, coming this 18th....
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Why are you waiting for the Intel one? Are you in Europe? Or are you affirmatively choosing it over the s4 version?
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I sold my GS3 for the Razr M. The GS3 is a great device, but I've just never caught on with the looks and the size does make it unwieldy at times for one handed use. Motorola devices tend to have the strongest signal, and the M having the same Snapdragon S4 and being smaller just makes it a home run for me. Would be cool to have the 720p LCD, but I'm not bothered by it.

TRF-Inferno said:
I sold my GS3 for the Razr M. The GS3 is a great device, but I've just never caught on with the looks and the size does make it unwieldy at times for one handed use. Motorola devices tend to have the strongest signal, and the M having the same Snapdragon S4 and being smaller just makes it a home run for me. Would be cool to have the 720p LCD, but I'm not bothered by it.
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No regrets so far? Is the M's signal noticeably better than the s3's?
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phositadc said:
No regrets so far? Is the M's signal noticeably better than the s3's?
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Not at all. The Snapdragon S4 paired with a qHD screen makes the device brutally fast. Don't get me wrong, the SGS3 is fast out of the box, but with less pixel, it's a missile in the Razr M. Other than getting Nova launcher to replace the BLUR launcher, I have nothing to complain about.
In terms of signal strength, that is always a YMMV discussion, but I am definitely getting better data connectivity. I had a hard time streaming Youtube music video at my work desk, but no problems with the Motorola. I seem to be getting an extra bar or about -10 db in terms of signal strength over the SGS3.

The big differences in the S3 over the Razr M is the size diffrence.
Other than that the Razr M does not support HDMI out. Even through MHL. Inside the Razr M also only has 8gb of memory but unless you really need 64gb's of memory I think you'll be fine. The screen looks good even though it's not 720p.
I do really like the circle widget though it's pretty slick.
I would have to guess that the S3 will have end up being more developer friendly if you are into modding. The Samsung also has some decent packaged in apps but that's not really a huge selling point.

OPPO Find 5

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What do you guys think of the new Chinese phone that supports USA carriers?
You can view the specs here:
http://en.oppo.com/product/find5/
http://www.oppousa.com/
It's about the size of the Droid DNA, but better. I'm actually thinking of getting this. Doesn't have SD Card but has 16GB and 32GB Version! Great price, and a premium product.

Bad thing is......you have to buy it via western union and/or wire transfer. They do accept Paypal over $300. They sent me this:
For avoid credit card fraud,we don't accept payments for product 300$ or more by Paypal or by credit cards. payments for product 300$ or more must be paid by bank transfer or Western Union MoneyGram. For more information,please visit : http://www.fastcardtech.com/article-9-Payment+Methods.html
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Interesting phone! Looks sorta like a Optimus L9.

SovereignKnight said:
Interesting phone! Looks sorta like a Optimus L9.
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Yeah it does! But the renders of this makes the phone looks huge when in reality its about the size of the DNA. I can't wait till Next Wednesday when they talk about it at one of the Beijing events.

It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
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Also as far as I checked fastcardtech.com is a FRAUD. I would not recommend anyone to use them. It's better to wait for a decent US release and find a relative in Sales TAX Free state OR use some well known taobao middlemen.

looks good on the paper
Looks good on the paper. 1080p for a phone is an overkill if you ask me with today's battery technology. I bet this phone has major draws.

I would consider it if the power button were on the side, I almost never use two hands with my phone and this would annoy me to no end.
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The only thing which bothers me, as a previous Tab 7.7 owner, the lack of software support, I may even sacrifice some hardware stuff for better official or xda community support potential. As far as I see it now the DNA, a major brand product, is nowhere near the Nexus devices in all the development and ROM hacking fuss. Oppo is moving to the global market, thus the good software support is implied but yet to be confirmed.

Actually, the size of the OPPO Find 5 is nowhere near the gargantuan HTC DNA despite sporting the same size screen thanks to an edge-to-edge screen and minimal wasted space at the top and bottom:
HTC DNA: 141 x 70.5 x 9.7 mm (5.55 x 2.78 x 0.38 in)
Oppo Find 5: 129 x 65 x 6.9 mm (5.08 x 2.56 x 0.27 in) <---smaller than HTC One S
The key here is the middle number, at 65 mm wide, it will be VERY easy to do one handed operations. This is a huge HUGE attraction for me as I'm sick of all these phlabets/phlaptops that HTC, Samsung, LG, and others are producing. Increasing screen size is one thing, but the phones are getting so enormous that it becomes very uncomfortable to use. It's ridiculous.

BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
Remember-remember the 12th of December
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Also as far as I checked fastcardtech.com is a FRAUD. I would not recommend anyone to use them. It's better to wait for a decent US release and find a relative in Sales TAX Free state OR use some well known taobao middlemen.
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Yess!! The 12th of December!!! I'm excited for that. And thanks for clearing that up, I kind of figured but it's good to have a second opinion.
cocinci said:
Looks good on the paper. 1080p for a phone is an overkill if you ask me with today's battery technology. I bet this phone has major draws.
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2500 MaH on a IPS display....it's really on how much you use your phone, because IPS is good on battery consumption, I think.
dave_k605 said:
I would consider it if the power button were on the side, I almost never use two hands with my phone and this would annoy me to no end.
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Just rechecked photo's, and well I don't find it a big deal. I've used the HD2, LG G2x, and HTC Sensation so if I get this phone it wouldn't be a big change.
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The only thing which bothers me, as a previous Tab 7.7 owner, the lack of software support, I may even sacrifice some hardware stuff for better official or xda community support potential. As far as I see it now the DNA, a major brand product, is nowhere near the Nexus devices in all the development and ROM hacking fuss. Oppo is moving to the global market, thus the good software support is implied but yet to be confirmed.
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Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Since this phone is supporting US Carriers with a breeze, will there be XDA Dev willing to work on this phone? That would also be a plus when getting this pone.
boojay said:
Actually, the size of the OPPO Find 5 is nowhere near the gargantuan HTC DNA despite sporting the same size screen thanks to an edge-to-edge screen and minimal wasted space at the top and bottom:
HTC DNA: 141 x 70.5 x 9.7 mm (5.55 x 2.78 x 0.38 in)
Oppo Find 5: 129 x 65 x 6.9 mm (5.08 x 2.56 x 0.27 in) <---smaller than HTC One S
The key here is the middle number, at 65 mm wide, it will be VERY easy to do one handed operations. This is a huge HUGE attraction for me as I'm sick of all these phlabets/phlaptops that HTC, Samsung, LG, and others are producing. Increasing screen size is one thing, but the phones are getting so enormous that it becomes very uncomfortable to use. It's ridiculous.
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Whoaahh! Didn't know it was smaller than the OneS! But I knew it was about the size of the DNA. Thanks for doing the conversion!!
The thing I hate, and the LG G2x/O2x did this, was the hardware keys. Why so big? But your right, phones are getting bigger, and bigger is only good for people with big hands. Medium size hands like phones in the range of 4 - 4.7 inches. The DNA did it right by making it longer instead of wider, and I'm glad Oppo is understanding that. Hopefully the S4 and new upcoming phones get it. Keep the big phone size to the Note's.

BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
It indeed has an SD slot and MHL, and everything else you would need) http://opposj.zol.com.cn/163/1673_1620749.html
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These specs are for a different phone mate.. it clearly states that it refers to a 4.5 inch phone with 720p screen... The dimensions are still impressive to be sure but nowhere near to what a 5 inch would be if they were able to fit it in just 65mm of width. It would imply a total absence of bezel as in *nil*, I don't think such a tech exists yet, true edge to edge is a decade away I'm afraid. I'd be happy to be proved wrong though...
BTW same applies on the existence of micro SD slot, it probably doesn't have one, at least the company doesn't hint that anywhere (sadly microsd slots seem to go the way of the dodo)...
So to recap, "hold on your horses", it'd probably be a thinner slightly cheaper DNA and given that it is a chinaphone I don't think many would be convinced... it's a good offering to be sure but nothing groundbreaking... again I hope to be proved wrong, if I do I would be the first in line to buy this phone (hate phablet sizes, love big screens and big memories)...

I updated the OP. It does not have SD Card but has 16GB and 32GB version! I am thinking of getting this phone

best alternative to nexus 4(?

PontiacGTX said:
best alternative to nexus 4(?
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DEFIANTLY!! The best alternative!! But if you're on AT&T, sorry no LTE

Best? I wouldn't say that at all.
I'm sure from a development state, this device will be lacking heavily. And anything non pure Google.....goog luck with the manufactures keeping you up to date.
Sounds like a sweet device, but it'd still take my gs3 over this all day long.
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dave_k605 said:
Best? I wouldn't say that at all.
I'm sure from a development state, this device will be lacking heavily. And anything non pure Google.....goog luck with the manufactures keeping you up to date.
Sounds like a sweet device, but it'd still take my gs3 over this all day long.
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Well, well my friend, assuming is not good. If you go to oppo's forum they are very well up to date, and current than GS3. They are pure google with little customization to not run it down. Idk about Samsung but 4.2 on Oppo devices are coming in Mid Jan. ALSO I don't know about when a new version of android is coming about but when it does Oppo will surely have it out in 2-3 months tops.
So from a development state, Samsung lacks it heavily, and Samsung lacks pure google. Good luck waiting years on Samsung getting you updates that takes years to update

richie390 said:
Well, well my friend, assuming is not good. If you go to oppo's forum they are very well up to date, and current than GS3. They are pure google with little customization to not run it down. Idk about Samsung but 4.2 on Oppo devices are coming in Mid Jan. ALSO I don't know about when a new version of android is coming about but when it does Oppo will surely have it out in 2-3 months tops.
So from a development state, Samsung lacks it heavily, and Samsung lacks pure google. Good luck waiting years on Samsung getting you updates that takes years to update
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My Verizon galaxy s3 is on 4.2 cm.
I've never had a issue having lots of roms top choose from south any Samsung devices I've had.
I'm saying is I'm not sure the oppo week have much of a following here in the states, if it does it will never have the backing that my gs3 does.
You cannot deny that.
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dave_k605 said:
My Verizon galaxy s3 is on 4.2 cm.
I've never had a issue having lots of roms top choose from south any Samsung devices I've had.
I'm saying is I'm not sure the oppo week have much of a following here in the states, if it does it will never have the backing that my gs3 does.
You cannot deny that.
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This is actually the first Oppo device heading to the United States support T-Mobile, AT&T, and Simple Mobile. It won't get the over rated advertisement like the GS3, but it is definitely a better phone, in my opinion. Official Software updates, better camera, fast, premium product, NFC.
I have nothing against the GS3 besides the width of it, and the material of the phone is plastic. Otherwise its a great phone. But hopefully XDA will have some ROM support on this phone as its coming to the United States.

richie390 said:
This is actually the first Oppo device heading to the United States support T-Mobile, AT&T, and Simple Mobile. It won't get the over rated advertisement like the GS3, but it is definitely a better phone, in my opinion. Official Software updates, better camera, fast, premium product, NFC.
I have nothing against the GS3 besides the width of it, and the material of the phone is plastic. Otherwise its a great phone. But hopefully XDA will have some ROM support on this phone as its coming to the United States.
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Yes a nicer material would be nice, but we all seem to use cases made out of the same material to protect our investment.....so no need to waste extra money on finer materials to cover them up. Nice materials such as glass/aluminum are not add strong or resilient to damage.
I also am not bashing the oppo, seems like a nice phone and the more high end devices, we all win. I'm an android guy, I'm not band stuck, however I'm drawn to Samsung's...HTC is also nice, but on big red they haven't brought anything to the table I would rather have than my gs3. That being said if Verizon would have had the one x I'm not sure which way I would have gone......really nice phone!
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dave_k605 said:
Yes a nicer material would be nice, but we all seem to use cases made out of the same material to protect our investment.....so no need to waste extra money on finer materials to cover them up. Nice materials such as glass/aluminum are not add strong or resilient to damage.
I also am not bashing the oppo, seems like a nice phone and the more high end devices, we all win. I'm an android guy, I'm not band stuck, however I'm drawn to Samsung's...HTC is also nice, but on big red they haven't brought anything to the table I would rather have than my gs3. That being said if Verizon would have had the one x I'm not sure which way I would have gone......really nice phone!
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You made a good point about protecting the investment. But we're just gonna have to wait and see how this Chinese phone makes a impact on how the US will accept this
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I had to get a nexus 5, and returned it after 8 hours

So here's the story.
Yesterday I dropped, my beloved, motox and broke the screen. So I scrambled on kijjiji to find a used one. I only managed to find 2,one guy was asking 260 and another guy was asking 340.
I decided to check my carrier to see if I was eligible for an upgrade. I was with an early upgrade fee (125), I thought this was great. So I clicked to search for a motox but Rogers doesn't sell it anymore. So I had to settle for a nexus 5 ($0 on 2 year renewal).
I've been playing with it for 2 hours and I already miss my motox, I can't wait to sell this thing and get the new motox (motox+1).
Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
Not much. I really have to struggle to put something here.
-Okay no carrier name in the notification shade.
-Timely updates.
-Grippy back.
-Lighter
Cons:
Everything.
-I miss touchless control (I miss being able to say 'OK Google now' from anywhere and it would respond)
-I miss touchless notifications
-I miss twist to launch camera (I didn't think I'd use this feature as much as I did). Its so handy to grab the phone and twist it and the camera is ready to shoot.
-I miss being able to press anywhere on the viewfinder to take a picture.
-camera controls are crap
-placement of power and volume buttons are to high up on the phone
Motox did so many things right
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I just had the same exact thing happen to me.
My wife dropped my Moto X and cracked the screen, i then bought a 32gb Nexus 5 from EBay and I don't like it !.
The Touchless controls and active notifications are the things I miss the most.
I find the camera also to suck on the Nexus 5.
So a friend yesterday sent me this article.
I can't post the link as I'm a new user so I will private message it to you.
If your Moto X is still under warranty and you used the moto maker, you can request RMA and send back to Motorola.
Motorola will let you recreate a new moto x for free !
Once you receive your new free replacement you are obligated to send back your broken moto x within 10 days otherwise they will charge full price for the new handset.
The Article has all the details.
If you have any questions, just hit me up !
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Wannabekula, thanks for article I responded to the private message.
The motox should have sold better than the nexus5.
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I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!

biggiestuff said:
I went from nexus 5 to moto x and while I am using more and more of the unique features such as touch less control (driving) and the camera hand twist, I will disagree with you that the moto x has the better camera. Camera and screen are where the nexus 5 have the advantage. My wife still has her nexus 5 her pictures of the same things we shoot come out on top more often than not. Mostly because of the OIS. Color accuracy is better on the n5 as well. Don't get me wrong, the moto x has definitely grown on me and touch less controls are becoming a MUST. If the moto x+1 can fix those few gripes I'll definitely stay in the moto family. oh and moto x on average gets better battery life than my n5.
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I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
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Damn I thought Moto X had a great build quality! I am scared to buy it now!
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It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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moto x is the best phone i ever had to date. and im not looking to replace it because its so good

Jamolah said:
I never implied the picture quality on the motox is better, I was simply saying the camera controls are better in the motox. For example if you want to flip to front camera the control is right there on the viewfinder I don't have to go into a menu to do it. Same applies for taking a video it's right there.
Motorola really made the motox functional. If they had priced it right, it would have sold like crazy.
It does have a great build. You won't be disappointed. Get it.
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The camera part was more directed to the person who said the nexus 5 camera sucks. I do like most of the motox cameras features. I like that you don't pinch to zoom, you just swipe up or down and you can do burst mode by just holding down on the screen.
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After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.

setspeed said:
I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
If they pull that again then it's highly likely I will be tempted by the Nexus 6 or Android Silver line (whichever actually happens) which, if history serves as a guide, will come out towards the end of the year.
Which would be a shame because I wouldn't mind swapping my Snapdragon 800/1080p/2GB RAM/32GB storage phone for one of the same specification soon - but there's no way I would do that next year, when Snapdragon 801 will have been superceded by 805, and pretty much every flagship is going to have 3GB RAM and QHD display by that time. That would just stick in my craw a bit too much.
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If higher numbers specs that much, you really need to follow it...
... but, for everyone who had read about it, knows that its not just higher numbers, not even the "outdate" (just because its a dual-core). Simply enough, architecture, the Android necessarily need quad or octa? 3gb of ram? 2k?
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setspeed said:
I have the Nexus 5 and I love it. I upgraded from Galaxy S3 and if the Moto X had launched in the UK before the N5 then I may have bought it. I say *may* because the screen is the same resolution as my old phone plus it was smaller. And the outdated processor did not impress me either.
Although I don't know how much I would actually use it I am pretty jealous of the 'always listening' feature of the Moto X though and I'm strongly considering getting the X+1, so long as Moto don't pull the same stunt they did with the X; 'Let's release it in the US but then wait six months before getting it to any other country'.
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Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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Had an N5 from launch to replace my n4 from launch (and other nexus beforehand). Both are great, beautiful phones. Came to the moto x for the touchless features and the essentially stock 4.4.2. I love it. It is beautifully designed, maybe a little underpowered, but very well executed. The x8 chip set is excellent, but could probably do better with a slight improvement in the main cores. I've had a few issues, some regular force closes, but nothing that takes the shine off.
Long story short? I loved my n5... I sold it only because I love the features that moto x has... I didn't expect to buy a feature smartphone, but it's a freak in the smartphone category... Long live the moto x (+1?)
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Yeah I'm aware that the user experience is great on Moto devices - a friend just bought the Moto G and it's unbelievably good for the price. Unfortunately the X was too little too late by the time it came to the UK.
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We'll see if Motorola learned their lesson with the release of the motox+1. Because if they market well, release world wide and price it aggressive the new phone will sell like hotcakes.
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Jamolah said:
Setspeed Trust me man, it's not about the number of processor or anything if the hardware is optimised to the software specs mean nothing. Use the motox and you'll see what I mean.
Motorola did make a few mistakes marketing this phone though. Not selling world wide on initial release, pricing too high and not marketing enough. Because the motox offers all the benefits of vanilla android with the added features of touchless control and active display.
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I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.

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I don't know when people will understand that really. I mean look at the sales, all the high specified phones are selling like hotcakes, and the Moto X, well nowhere near. God knows what people like in a highly spec'ed phone which runs like crap. The three devices I had were S4, Note 2, S2, and other than the S2 all of them are overpriced sh!t. Seriously. People call me crazy that I am thinking about getting the Moto X after owning the S4
It's like they are buying a computer, higher you go, more performance you get, like they will play Watch Dogs on it. However I utterly hate iPhone and iOS but there's some point why that bloody thing sells well.
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I see what you're saying when it comes to Samsung, but not the Nexus - it performs better than any other Android phone because it's the highest specced stock software phone. I guarantee you that it's quicker and smoother than the Moto X, because of better hardware. If I could get the always listening touchless controls on my N5 then I wouldn't even be hanging around this forum sniffing about for X+1 news! But I can't, so here I am :laugh:

Jamolah said:
After only only 8 hours with the nexus5 I've decided to return it. I can't deal with its shortcomings. Also it's got issues when streaming music over bluetooth, a lot of crackling, seems to be a common problem.
I'd rather have a broken (screen) motox than a new nexus5.
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Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.

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Pros of the nexus 5 over a motox:
-Lighter
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The Moto X is the same weight as the N5 although the Moto X feels slightly chunkier in the hand.

Wutang200 said:
Good decision my man!
You've just saved yourself from dealing with a load of issues by returning the N5!
I've come from the N5 to my Moto X and haven't looked back seriously.
I had so many issues with the N5 that I got Google to send me 11 replacements (YES ELEVEN REPLACEMENTS!!!) and in the end Google decided it wasn't the phone for me and gave me a full refund.
My issues experienced:
-Extremely poor call quality where the person on the other end can hardly hear you and you always have to shout to be heard
-Noise cancellation broken/faulty (looks like a hardware issue)
-Poor build quality as I kept getting dead pixels on 3 of the handsets
-Speaker volume very very low compared to the Moto X
-SIM card tray never used to sit flush with the body on quite a few of the models
-Bluetooth streaming issues
The main issue for me was the fact that I couldn't make phone calls properly. I loved the vanilla experience but I still get that with my Moto X.
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Wow that's got to be some kind of record, for a person to receive ELEVEN faulty handsets in a row...
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Nexus 4 user -- curious about E experience

As mentioned, I'm a Nexus 4 owner. My phone has developed hardware problems though, and I'm looking at replacing it -- mainly focusing on the Moto G and E.
I'm not a hardcore phone user; other than communications mostly use it for music (Google, Pandora, Youtube), light reading, occasional surfing in line, and a single non-graphics intensive game. I also use my phone to double as a camera when I'm out walking and something cool comes up though, which is the main reason I'm considering the G over E. Price isn't a huge issue, but I don't see the need to buy some fancy $600 phone for my light use.
All that said, I'm not on a contract, and was wondering about the OS/experience/apps on the E. I've only ever been a Nexus owner, because I wanted to avoid carrier/manufacturer stuff. How easy/feasible is it to get to a version of the latest stock Android OS without any Motorola/etc. stuff on the phone -- essentially, to replicate my basic 4 interface/experience? How far behind are E OS updates behind stock Android updates? Is there any general timeline for how much longer it will continue to be updated?
Thank you for your time.

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As mentioned, I'm a Nexus 4 owner. My phone has developed hardware problems though, and I'm looking at replacing it -- mainly focusing on the Moto G and E.
I'm not a hardcore phone user; other than communications mostly use it for music (Google, Pandora, Youtube), light reading, occasional surfing in line, and a single non-graphics intensive game. I also use my phone to double as a camera when I'm out walking and something cool comes up though, which is the main reason I'm considering the G over E. Price isn't a huge issue, but I don't see the need to buy some fancy $600 phone for my light use.
All that said, I'm not on a contract, and was wondering about the OS/experience/apps on the E. I've only ever been a Nexus owner, because I wanted to avoid carrier/manufacturer stuff. How easy/feasible is it to get to a version of the latest stock Android OS without any Motorola/etc. stuff on the phone -- essentially, to replicate my basic 4 interface/experience? How far behind are E OS updates behind stock Android updates? Is there any general timeline for how much longer it will continue to be updated?
Thank you for your time.
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I presume you are interested in the LTE model. Moto E updates will probably around 2 months behind Nexus updates. The device has already received the 5.1 update, and I'd expect it to receive the Android M update as well. Beyond that version, I'm not sure how long Motorola will support it, but I'd expect a fairly long support life for this model since the MSM8916 is a new generation SoC. The OS experience is pretty clean and good (provided you don't get a carrier bloatware infested model). The original 5.0 stock ROM was a bit rough around the edges, but the phone is very smooth and great with 5.1 installed. Stock software and CPU wise, it's a good user experience. It has excellent battery life too.
In terms of aftermarket ROMs, the device is still fairly new, but it has a growing development community (myself included). Not everything works perfectly on the custom ROMs right now, but I'd expect things to improve over the next month or two.
The camera will probably disappoint you though. The rear camera is usable in good lighting, but mediocre in indoor lighting. The front facing camera is quite poor (noisy and low resolution).
The second generation Moto G has a better camera than the E LTE, but it has an older and slower CPU. I'd expect the 2nd gen Moto E with its new SoC to continue receiving updates significantly longer than the 2nd gen Moto G. I guess you want to get a device right away since your Nexus has stopped working, but if you can wait a little while, the 3rd gen Moto G will probably be coming out soon.

Rainshine said:
As mentioned, I'm a Nexus 4 owner. My phone has developed hardware problems though, and I'm looking at replacing it -- mainly focusing on the Moto G and E.
I'm not a hardcore phone user; other than communications mostly use it for music (Google, Pandora, Youtube), light reading, occasional surfing in line, and a single non-graphics intensive game. I also use my phone to double as a camera when I'm out walking and something cool comes up though, which is the main reason I'm considering the G over E. Price isn't a huge issue, but I don't see the need to buy some fancy $600 phone for my light use.
All that said, I'm not on a contract, and was wondering about the OS/experience/apps on the E. I've only ever been a Nexus owner, because I wanted to avoid carrier/manufacturer stuff. How easy/feasible is it to get to a version of the latest stock Android OS without any Motorola/etc. stuff on the phone -- essentially, to replicate my basic 4 interface/experience? How far behind are E OS updates behind stock Android updates? Is there any general timeline for how much longer it will continue to be updated?
Thank you for your time.
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Honestly I own a 1st gen Moto G, 2nd Gen Moto X and the 2015 Moto E... I think for your wants and needs and if you do the research your be happier with an X ... All the above mentioned are great devices in their own respects but I found the X at the price point to be an excellent device without and significant compromise. The Moto E with LTE is a decent device with a so so display and a lack luster camera...other than that solid for a entry level phone. The G has a decent display and a better camera but at the price point may as well look for an X on sale ... Just something to think about.
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The camera on the moto e is a downgrade from the Nexus 4. And it has no flash. I think the biggest thing to take into consideration is the screen size you want. And if you want a stock Android experience with no bloat. You should probably stay with the Nexus line. Since it sounds like 2 nexus phones are coming out this fall.
And is the hardware problem on your phone the battery bulging out the back?

I should be picking mine (VZ) up from BB tomorrow or Tuesday. If you still don't have the phone by then I'll compare it to my N4 for you.
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I'm coming from a nexus 4 and let me tell you... The battery life killed my interest in my old nexus 4
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I recently bought a Moto E 2nd Gen LTE. I came from a Galaxy SIII (problem on the bootloader files in another thread). My impressions on the Moto E:
-For the price of AU$240, you get a reasonably fast device, it's not faster than my old S III but it does the job.
-Battery life is impressive, it really is, no kidding. Fo far my personal record is 2 days 10 hours 22 min , by just connecting it when driving using the GPS (2 times a day). Normal use. With a bit more intense use (including Skype for about 15 - 20min ) it last a full day and still some juice in the bank
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-I like the lack of bloatware and almost pure android experience. Moto has little add ons
- I don't know how fast Android updates will come up.
-Camera in the other hand ... ... is not as good. Again I can compare with my S III and it's way behind in colours, sharpness and general performance. ahhhh and it does not have a LED -flash.
Hope this can help in your decision making.

Are you up for WP? 640's are going for $80-100. Yes it's not Nexus, and it's not even Android. But I've always been impressed by the cleanliness and purity of WP. Apparently Wal-Mart is selling AT&T 640's for eighty bucks (and AT&T phones can be unlocked without an AT&T account). Just an idea.

My nexus4 died while I was at diner last weekend, so I went to the best buy next door and purchased the 3g/1gb ram version (xt1511) for $80. I'm really happy with it, the battery really is impressive! There is a noticeable lag when opening an app or switching between apps, but once in an app it functions smoothly and quickly. My version doesn't seem to be carrier specific, I think it was labeled as GSM unlocked at best buy. My phone is running stock 5.0.2

Droid Turbo 3 + international variants

Posted in the other Quark forum, but I know some of you don't even know where that is...
This is to discuss the Droid Turbo 3/Moto Z Force coming at the end of the year.
The 2015 Kinzie was a disappointing successor the Quark. It didn't fix what was wrong and added something not needed.
There will be a "Droid Turbo 3" in the 4th quarter, as well as international variant -- just like the last two years. Don't know the code name yet, but here's hoping they don't mess it up. This new ZTE Axon 7 is very much what I hope the "premium" top tier end of year phone will be...
ChazzMatt said:
Since the 2016 versions of "Moto X Style" and "Moto X Play" -- to be officially announced June 9, 2016 -- are going to be called "Moto Z Style" and "Moto Z Play", the 2016 version of the Moto X Force will probably be the "Moto Z Force" (a.k.a "Droid Turbo 3").
Of course Lenovo won't talk about that end-of-year premium phone next week. Next week is a sales pitch to convince the suckers to buy these other phones.
The "good" stuff will be reserved for 4th quarter, just like the previous two years (2014 Quark and 2015 Kinzie).
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Do you still have hope that Lenovo will do something decent?
I was kind of sad after I saw the leaks and the pictures of the latest moto "z" lineup.
It's like they managed to [email protected] up every line model Motorola had.
Plus If you add to that the painfully slow updates it's like a big no for me.
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I agree about the Moto Z design. It's like they stuck a postage stamp fingerprint sensor at the bottom with crazy glue.
For the Moto Z Force/Droid Turbo 3, I'm hoping they will keep the 1440p AMOLED display and fix what was deficient in the 2014 Quarks, not what was not. In the 2015 Kinzie they did not add rear camera OIS nor stereo speakers, but instead added that gimmicky plastic display thingy -- which actually picked up MORE scratches.
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ZTE AXON 7 - specs and hands on review
http://www.androidauthority.com/zte-axon-7-hands-694960/
Read the specs (below) on the new ZTE Axon 7.
1440p AMOLED display. Snapdragon 820. Tons of LTE bands. Rear camera OIS, stereo speakers. In-display fingerprint sensor! (NOT just stuck at the bottom to take up space.)
Comes with either 4GB RAM/64 GB or 6GB RAM/128GB configuration. Both have microSD expansion. $450 for the minimum configuration. Unbelievable.
Add Qi wireless, IR sensors, 4000 mAh battery and that's the phone I want to be the Moto Z Force.
Lots of other great stuff -- on screen fingerprint sensor (not one that takes up space at the bottom of the phone), and a dual sim card slot for people who travel a lot. Just needs Qi wireless charging, bigger battery, and IR sensors.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/5/26/11765102/zte-axon-7-specs-price-launch
The new phone has Qualcomm's highest-end processor, 4 or 6GB of RAM, a quad HD AMOLED display, metal chassis, quick charging, and a new dual-speaker system with Dolby surround sound. You might expect to pay upwards of $600 or $700 for a device with those specs, but ZTE says the new phone will cost under $500 when it arrives in the US in the coming weeks.
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http://www.techradar.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/zte-axon-7-1322212/review
And while it has enough bands to support all US phone networks, it'll only work with AT&T and T-Mobile SIM cards for now. Verizon and Sprint compatibility is due "possibly later in the year," resting in the hands of the two CDMA carriers to flip the switch. All of the antennas are inside - this isn't just a GSM phone.
The good news here is that it's packed with 64GB of internal storage and will cost $449 (about £340, AU$691). You won't have to deal with a pesky two-year (or any) contract for that price.
ZTE Axon 7 review
There's also a 128GB ZTE Axon 7, which includes the company's own take on a "Force Touch" display, an always-on screen and 6GB of RAM. That makes it faster than the Samsung Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge
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SEE? Lenovo, you can do this for the 2016 "Moto Z Force"/Droid Turbo 3!

I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...

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I'm betting for an amoled quad display but I think that the plastic thingy [emoji14] is here to stay, specially in the all terrain droid/force line. I don't imagine them dropping that marketing thing soon, maybe they will improve something in it, less layers, not so scratchable, I don't know. They have to come with something big to justify the $650+ price tag.
I think the camera will be improved, I saw that the new moto g has a new application for it (that's like a 80% of improvement), more customizable, but I have my doubts about the stereo speakers. Probably, It will also have a water splash certification or something like that.
Maybe, It will be more than one/two Droid models, following the trend that Lenovo has implemented this year...
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I am very impressed by that ZTE Axon 7, especially the 6GB RAM/128GB variant with Force Touch display.
If only it had Qi wireless charging, I might even forgo the bigger battery.
I don't need no stinkin' add on modules Lenovo is trying to foist on us in the "Moto Z" line! Just make the phone good enough to begin with! It's like a car manufacturer saying, "Oh, you want a steering wheel with that?" "Oh, you want tires with that?" The 2014 Quark just needed a couple of items like rear camera OIS and stereo speakers to match the Moto Nexus 6 in specs. And it was already the perfect size and had 1440p AMOELD display with IR sensors. Motorola was SO close! I don't know why they can't see that.
LG's add-on modules are also silly, and they dropped Qi wireless from the G5. And I was big LG fan.
So, I will wait for end of the year and see what Lenovo manages to do with end-of-year phone -- as well as look at the Nexus models.
But Google screwed up the last two years, so I'm not confident. First, in 2014 Google went WAY too big, and then for 2015 they dropped Qi wireless. Samsung has Qi wireless, it's like they are the only ones with sense! I don't care if you have fast plug in charging -- it's not either/or, you can have both!
I may be keeping the Quarks until 2017...

maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
Inside is a Snapdragon 820 processor, 4GB of RAM, 32GB of storage, a 12MP rear camera, a MicroSD card slot, NFC, wireless charging, and a 5.1-inch quad HD screen - all of which match the vanilla Galaxy S7. The "Active" upgrades add a shatter-resistant screen, IP68 and MIL STD 810G ratings for water, dirt, and temperature resistance, and an FM tuner. An "Activity Key" can be bound to a selection of apps based on hold and tap patterns. The physical home button, flanked by two physical nav buttons, hides a fingerprint sensor.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh

monza1412 said:
maybe is time to go to sammys camp...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...d-flagship-4000mah-battery-landing-june-10th/
too bad is damn expensive, bootloader locked (like forever), and the colors are meh...but hey 4000mAh
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I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?

Raistlen0 said:
I don't know....I don't think it is $800 better than our phone and ours is unlocked.
Also that ZTE phone has a 20 MP SAMSUNG camera in it but this new SAMSUNG phone only has a 12MP camera. Whats that about!? They can't put in their own camera?
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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.

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Supposedly the active has the same camera than the S7, that it's consider one of the best at the moment, for the ZTE we will have to wait for reviews, it's not only the megapixels that comes into play here.
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also ZTE has rear carmera OIS. If the Samsung has it, I overlooked it.
BUT, the Samsung has the missing Qi wireless charging and 4000 mAh battery the ZTE needs.
If Motorola can combine all that into one phone, that would be perfect.

ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )

s5610 said:
ZTE won't have our beloved Motorola features at their's best. It's just another China-phone on steroids, like "OnePlus-flagman-killer"
I would expect low grade Android optimization to powerful hardware, and all kind of childish diseases, or abc problems, screw up at basics, or how it will be in English )
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ZDNET is trying to get hold of a ZTE Axon 7 for review, so we'll see...
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Indeed, there are other nice smartphones from China, such as the recently announced ZTE Axon 7 (which we hope to have in-house shortly).
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OR look at the Vivo Xplay 5 Elite... It just topped the speed tests on Antutu for May, 2016.
Top 10 fastest smartphones: Surprise! Apple and Samsung are nowhere near the top
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-top-10-fastest-smartphones-list-contains-some-unexpected-surprises/
Interestingly, the top three smartphones are all powered by the Snapdragon 820 chipset, and have 6GB of RAM, while the top four are all from Chinese manufacturers.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/viv...-ram-snapdragon-820-dual-edge-display-677287/
The Vivo Xplay 5 specs also include the Snapdragon 820, 128 GB of internal storage and a 5.43-inch QHD dual-edge Super AMOLED display just like the Galaxy S7.
The Vivo Xplay 5 features a metal unibody design, fingerprint scanner, fast-charging 3,600 mAh battery and Hi-Fi 3.0 dual stereo speakers (with FM radio, even). With a specs sheet like this and a price tag around $650, you have to ask yourself: did Vivo just make a cheaper Galaxy S7 Edge?
The answer is likely “no” but you do have to be impressed with the Xplay 5 on paper. Of course, history and experience has shown us time and time again that you can’t trust a trust a specs sheet to predict real-life performance
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So, they echo your concerns about Android optimization. :good:
But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.

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But I don't want an ZTE Axon 7 or a Vivo Xplay 5 Elite -- I want Motorola/Lenovo to do a phone like THAT! Here's two Chinese phones with 1440p AMOLED Motorola should closely emulate. All those specs (CPU,GPU, RAM, internal storage, resolution), including rear camera OIS, dual stereo speakers -- and throw in the Qi wireless (which only Samsung still seems to be doing and hopefully Motorola) + the 4,000 mAh battery of the Galaxy S7 Active.
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Don't forget IR sensors

well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
The Moto Z Force uses the same specifications and basic design as the Moto Z, but it adds on the "Shattershield" technology from the DROID Turbo 2, a larger 3500mAh battery, and proprietary fast charging that can (according to Lenovo) add 15 hours of runtime with just 15 minutes of charging. The Z Force is compatible with MotoMod accessories, but it can also be customized on Moto Maker like the older Moto X series.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.

Just few snap-on modules, like projector, or external stereo speakers, and they bring that Ashton Kutcher (looking as SJ) saying "we reinvented smartphone's platform" :laugh:
Well, let's wait reviews of real-world usage this thing.

Moto X Force Droid Edition, not "Droid Turbo 3"
So, no "Droid Turbo 3" -- instead Moto Z Force Droid Edition, with an UNLOCKED Moto Z Force to be sold at retailers like Best Buy.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Motorola-Moto-Z-Force-hands-on_id82031
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No pricing or release dates were offered at Lenovo Tech World, but with flagships packing new goodies typically come flagship prices. The new Moto Z series will be a Verizon exclusive in the US at launch this summer, carrying on the Droid line-up for Big Red as the Moto Z Droid Edition and Moto Z Force Droid Edition. Later in the year, Motorola says that unlocked models will be available for sale through retailers like Best Buy
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10409/motorola-moto-z-and-moto-z-force
The "unlocked" version will be sold at retailers like Best Buy in the fall. So, we in the U.S don't have to go another country to get them (like Quark and Kinzie). THAT's when the dev work will begin, when the unlockable bootloader versions come out. Wonder if they will also have Verizon bands?
At least there won't be arguments over XDA forum names -- it will be Moto Z Force, not matter what.
I'm very surprised the premium Moto Z Force is being announced this early in the year. The last two years Motorola released it 4th quarter, after all the suckers bought the regular Moto X phones with lesser specs.
Has laser assisted autofocus rear camera with OIS. Good.
However looks like the only way to get Qi wireless charging is to buy the add-on extended battery pack mod? BAD. I'm hoping the bare phone also has Qi charging and they just are not mentioning it yet. Yet, with the extended battery pack (with Qi) you would have 3500 mAh + 2200 mAh = 5700 mAh battery.
Motorola Has Four Moto Mods Ready To Launch Alongside Moto Z, More Coming Later
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...s-ready-launch-alongside-moto-z-coming-later/
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Motorola's Incipio offGRID Power Pack seems like the most appealing Mod. It adds a 2200mAh battery and 6.2mm of thickness. There's a standard and wireless charging version of this battery that weigh 79g and 85g, respectively. The wireless version works with both Qi and PMA pads.
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https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-mods/incipio-offgrid-power-pack
Also the "shatter shield" is much improved and not as gimmicky as last year's Kinzie.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/09/moto-z-and-z-force-hands-on/
And unlike the Droid Turbo 2 (which, by the way, survived being run over by my car), the ShatterShield setup here doesn't seem to require a thick plastic screen protector anymore.
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monza1412 said:
well ChazzMatt....there you have it:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-editions-a-halfhearted-reveal-at-tech-world/
simply disgusting.
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Overall , I'm not that impressed. They finally added rear camera OIS, but not stereo. And they took away Qi wireless. And they also took away the headset port.
To get Qi wireless back, I need to buy an add on mod.
To get stereo speakers, I need to buy an add on mod.
But wait, I can't have stereo speakers and Qi at the same time.
Why not give me Qi wireless, stereo speakers and rear camera OIS all at the same time -- already built in -- just like you did with the Moto Nexus 6?
Could have been an awesome, awesome phone -- but they seem more intent on selling you mods.

Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.

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Fyi the unlocked model won't be compatible with Verizon as per droid life.
I love new tech (and have a soft spot for moto), but I can't get behind this phone. I highly doubt this launches with n, will be several months behind on security updates (and the Verizon version will almost never get any updates), and the unlocked version will only work on GSM carriers.
I think it is telling that lenovo not only didn't show off anything to do with the software, but neglected to address the two items that have gotten them so much bad Android press this year: lack of updates/timely updates and warranty replacement issues. They haven't learned anything and haven't shown what they are doing to improve.
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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?

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Right no "N" until probably April 2017. Will launch with Marshmallow.
Looking on the cup half-full side, if I got the unlocked version with Qi wireless extended battery pack, I would have a camera with rear OIS and 5700 mAh battery. Still no stereo, however. And how THICK would that phone be with that extended battery pack?
All I need is a 4000 mAH battery, with Qi wireless, stereo speakers, rear camera OIS, IR sensors built in? How hard can that be? Samsung Galaxy S7 Active, ZTE Axon 7, vivo Xplay5 Elite and a maybe a couple more manufacturers all have those features between them -- just not all in one phone. I was hoping Lenovo/Motorola would have the best of the bunch and put them all into one phone.
WHY do we have to choose between Qi charging and stereo speakers?
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Exactly. I just can't justify any phone besides a Nexus due to lack of software updates, security concerns, and general lack of support. We have great devs and I have enjoyed moto hardware, but honestly the majority of the dev community is with nexus and nexus hardware has progressed substantially from the old galaxy nexus days lol. In the Android world, only the nexus devices are actually receiving the OEM support an essential piece of technology deserves.
I'll be moving to a Nexus in the fall, but I've had a good run on xda since the og droid. Maybe Lenovo and the rest of the OEMs will get their act together someday.

I think that the key point of this crap its going to be price. Don't forget that they are late to the game (as every year), even the first phones to arrive will be Verizon exclusive, so hopefully they will release their unlocked version in the middle of the new nexus hype window...
yep, good luck with that lenovo.

Hm, seems like Lenovo won't kill Moto X family...
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...-dead-moto-z-provides-a-different-experience/

Any thoughts on the one plus 3? I think it looks gorgeous..
Anxiously waiting for reviews.