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Can't decide if I should root my atrix or not

Hi there,
I am debating if I should root my Atrix or not. I checked out few posts and they seem a bit complecated. Also, I found this article saying carriers will track down rooted devices and restricted services.
By the way, can I still install some of Motorola o/s for dock stations? I have a multimedia and a car dock.
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
Any thoughts?

No one will track you down and restrict you. And it's very safe to root.
Just for apps like Adfree which kills advertisements, this is reason enough for me to root! Not to mention super helpful things like customer recovery to back things up, the ability to sideload (install non-market apps if you're on AT&T), etc.
Android is quite open source but rooting opens up another amazing realm of extremely essential apps.

bongd said:
No one will track you down and restrict you. And it's very safe to root.
Just for apps like Adfree which kills advertisements, this is reason enough for me to root! Not to mention super helpful things like customer recovery to back things up, the ability to sideload (install non-market apps if you're on AT&T), etc.
Android is quite open source but rooting opens up another amazing realm of extremely essential apps.
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I will take your word for it then! Just kidding. Would you be able recommend any good root techniques on the forum? I think there are few methods and am not sure which one is the best.
Thank you!

I say root it. I rooted mine and i love it this way. I had mine for only two days before I rooted it. I was a little nervous at first and felt that i really didnt want to do it, but the benefits were too great with a rooted phone than without a rooted phone. I am on the AT&T network and i hate it when someone tries to tell me what I can't do with something I purchased. Trust me when i say that you are going to want software that is not in the market as well.
And... I really, really love the fact that I don't need to be docked to use my WebTop.
Again... i say root it.

janggu said:
I will take your word for it then! Just kidding. Would you be able recommend any good root techniques on the forum? I think there are few methods and am not sure which one is the best.
Thank you!
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Gladroot. It's the easiest and can enable tethering and sideloading as well.
You must be on 1.2.6 to root. You can run their first script which will root it. You can then do AT&T's download and run their second script which will root that too. BOOM!
It shouldn't take any longer than 10 minutes.

Well... there was that one thing where AT&T is supposedly locking out, or might be locking out phones that have been determined to be rooted. But the fact of the matter is, if they do that with absolutely no reason other than the phone being rooted, i'm sure you'll see a class action lawsuit about it since rooting/jailbreaking a cell phone is legal now according to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. The only reason i can see them disabling service is if you root it, and use one of the alternate methods of tethering, and wind up using a TON of bandwidth.... well over what anyone would even remotely do on just the phone if they didn't have any tethering package or way to tether. Then you'd basically be using their networks in a way that could be deemed illegal. But there's no issue with just rooting it to use applications not approved by the carrier or phone manufacturer.

Would you want to be admin on your own computer?

I think rooting is a must. The use of sideloading alone is worth it. I would hate to not be able to use the Amazon Appstore, Ive really come to like it.
One thing to mention though. The Blockbuster app detects root and wont allow content to be purchased because of DRM concerns. I dont know if this will be a problem with future apps.

Yeah, I did!
I rooted my Atrix with "gladroot" last night. Can't wait to customize it now.
Thank you very much for your valid inputs everyone!!!

Where are these non market apps that everyone speaks of
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JohnnyDanger said:
One thing to mention though. The Blockbuster app detects root....
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What's Blockbuster? ;-)
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I know right. I was just using that as an example. Never know what might be blocked next.
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Call to Arms! - Root detection

There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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I know that feel bro
*insert hug meme*

irzero said:
There is a big problem on the horizon.....
Lovefilm and Sky Go on my iPad have stopped working due to my jailbreak...
Turns out Sky Go doesnt work on Rooted Android either!
As much as i hate Sky as a company we dont have much choice in the UK if you want some decent channels on TV. I dont even use their app that much but this trend seems to be catching on...
More and more apps are refusing to run on Jailbroken iOS and the same will be happening on Android soon enough. They are also actively patching any work arounds or hacks to stop people running apps on Rooted or JB devices.
i really hope some of the talented people who code for android can find a good solution to this problem or even better Google comes out and tells the world that Rooters should not lose out like this.
If we can make it so much work for them to keep fixing the holes then maybe they will get fed up with trying to patch them.
Because if we dont then more and more apps will follow!
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There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting

graffixnyc said:
There are some apps out there that will temp unroot your phone so apps like that will work. then you just restore it(OTA rootkeeper allows this). Also I think Siyah kernel supports temp unrooting
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Siyah kernel does support temp unrooting, but somehow Sky Go still knows your phone is rooted, and it won't work. So far from the reading I have done there is no solution to this other than to flash back to a stock unrooted firmware.

I don't think it will become the rule on android, because there are to many apps that even need root, but at ios, probably because jailbreak is the only possibility to get, at least partially, out of their ecosystem.
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someone found a work around for the Barclays banking app I think...I'm sure it was here in general so you may find some hints there
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here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1823649
[HOW TO] Barclays Mobile Banking working on rooted S3

As far as I know. Sky Go has gotten around everything so far.
I see not to far in the future a situation where you have to either root and lose lots of apps you use or lose the root lose lots of apps you use.
That's a crap situation for sure
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Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.

Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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Lennyuk said:
Sky have invested a heck of a lot of time and money to making the latest Sky Go apps very very hard to hack!
They now do a lot of checking on their severs which makes it impossible for us to hack around.
I am sorry but I don't think we will ever get sky go working properly with root, and as soon as we did sky would update the app to fix the loophole.
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This sux for sure.
On iPad they sandboxed the app in its own virtual environment. could this trick it into think its running on unrooted firmware?

I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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esist said:
Google won't do anything because rooted android isn't standard android. The android platform isn't built like windows or OS X, where the default is the user having root available.
Therefore security (DRM in particular) on those platforms is built with that in mind. Android isn't.
Also, while you might have the best of intentions there are plenty of root-users who would use it to copy content offline, trick it into thinking you have a subscription whe you don't etc.
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You cant get the content without a subscription anyway, the problem has been people UDID spoofing and getting more active devices than they are allowed. Its a joke that they limit this anyway they should just make it so you can only be logged in on 2 devices at any one time using traditional methods like IP address and IMEI

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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temporary unroot doesnt even work so i dont know how it works personally. Out of my depth on this

alias_neo said:
I can't see how there is no way around this. If the app tests root, deny it, if it scans for root binaries, change/rename them. What am I missing here? Is there some other level of detection somewhere?
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The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?

irzero said:
Why would that stop wifi tablets? it works on my iPad wifi only?
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the Apple skygo app works differently, it doesn't check for IMEI.
wifi-only android tablets do not have IMEI numbers so it will always fail this check

Lennyuk said:
The Sky Go app is a bastard
This is a list of some of the things it checks (but not all)
- Root binaries
- Root App
- Phone model
- Android version
- Custom Recovery
- Custom Kernels
- IMEI checks (stops wifi-only tablets..)
The first 4 are simple to overcome, the last three cause major issues!
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How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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alias_neo said:
How in earth does this user space application have the ability to check custom recovery? I suppose kernel might be easy, but recovery??
Still, there must be ways around it.
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Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.

Lennyuk said:
Thats the thing, we (me and two others who worked on hacking this app) couldn't work it out! But it definitely was detecting it, we tried it on Samsung and HTC devices with no root and stock kernel but with a custom recovery and sky go stopped worked, change back to stock recovery and the app works again but we could not find any code that checked it.
On most devices to get it to work you need a stock based rom, stock recovery (unless recovery is part of kernel like S2) stock based kernel (ro.secure=1 must be set!) no or hidden root. You then need to make sure you fit the device or version checks, if you don't you need a hacked app that allows you to do this.
However the latest sky go apps do a sever side check for the apps signature (so you cannot decompile and recompile without changing this). So basically we can no longer do even the most basic of hacks.
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Surely you can modify it to spoof the signature the app uses to send to the server...
They really have gone all out eh.
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Well done sky, you bastards!
I have a Nexus 7 2012 WiFi only so ytheres no chance of using it on there :'(
Thanks LennyUK

New firmware for the HD+

So, I looked at my HD+ this morning. It updated the firmware. First thing I saw was an ad in the notifications. Didn't B&N advertise the HD/HD+ as having "no annoying ads"?
Additionally, the book I was reading was back at page 1 when I opened it. Good thing I had a bookmark. How hard is it to save the page I was on before rebooting with the new firmware?
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Could I please ask, what version is the firmware? 2.0.4 has been the most recent version for quite some time now, and is the version I'm using. It doesn't have any ads anywhere across the device. However, I'm assuming you have something more recent than 2.0.4.
Indeed, yes I see your frustration. I would definitely be if I didn't place a bookmark in a page.
Could I ask, is your Nook HD+ rooted, and Google Play installed, with a different launcher than the stock? If not, I would totally recommend it. I wasn't fond of the idea of rooting and so on, but after doing so, I'm now able to enjoy many of the Android apps and features; especially games such as Angry Birds which is originally free (you have to pay for it from the B&N store).
After rooting, I'm not the only user of the tablet. Haha, I'm not even the main user, my Dad, and brothers are. (I actually gave the tablet to my dad)

It's 2.0.5, check at the end of the thoughts, tweaks and hacks thread. Should be close to this one.

I'm not currently rooted. I have sideloaded apps. But a week ago my Nook mysteriously reset and I haven't sideloaded apps back to it. I will once I find my flash drive with my Linux/adb environment (boot able flash drive). I'm too lazy to make adb work on Win7.
I have CM7 on my Nook Tablet, and Paranoid Android on my phone so I'm not a stranger to rooting.
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So. The new firmware isn't the cause of the ads. I bought an app from BN.com and it is the cause of the ads. I paid money and it's showing ads.

Um, which app? Be nice to know which one's acting up

roustabout said:
Um, which app? Be nice to know which one's acting up
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http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/unblock-it-agile-fusion/1107412888?ean=2940043350862
Unblock It. Game is decent entertainment. Worth the $2 I spent, but I uninstalled it because I think PAID software should be ad free. I wouldn't mind ads if the app was free.

Kickstarter Ouya units are shipped rooted?

I read a post that stated that the Ouya units from kickstarter were already rooted, but the ones from retail stores will not be?
I ordered mine in late March, on kickstarter, but after the initial period and it was already funded. I received mine on July 3rd, with a note in the box, that stated "Thanks for Believing" (or something like that).
Is my Ouya rooted?, is there a way to check if it's rooted? Has anyone heard of them shipping units already rooted? Did anyone get a kickstarter one that was rooted?
Also, I think that I understand basically what root is and what level of control if gives you, but as far as the Ouya is concerned, I have some questions?
1. What are the benefits of rooting an Ouya - I know you can get Google play store then, what else if useful?
2. If you root and get Google Play Store, do you still have access to Ouya store and the regular menus?
3. What are the negatives of rooting? - Do you lose any features or capabilities, does anything not work as well?
4. Can you get both Google Play Store & Ouya play store without rooting?

Zehrfox said:
I read a post that stated that the Ouya units from kickstarter were already rooted, but the ones from retail stores will not be?
I ordered mine in late March, on kickstarter, but after the initial period and it was already funded. I received mine on July 3rd, with a note in the box, that stated "Thanks for Believing" (or something like that).
Is my Ouya rooted?, is there a way to check if it's rooted? Has anyone heard of them shipping units already rooted? Did anyone get a kickstarter one that was rooted?
Also, I think that I understand basically what root is and what level of control if gives you, but as far as the Ouya is concerned, I have some questions?
1. What are the benefits of rooting an Ouya - I know you can get Google play store then, what else if useful?
2. If you root and get Google Play Store, do you still have access to Ouya store and the regular menus?
3. What are the negatives of rooting? - Do you lose any features or capabilities, does anything not work as well?
4. Can you get both Google Play Store & Ouya play store without rooting?
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Not sure if your Ouya came "rooted" but you will still need to install other apps, such as SuperUser to reap the benefits.
1. You can run various mods, such as Google Play, and give apps more functionality with things like BusyBox & Xposed
2. Yes
3. If done incorrectly, you can brick you system. Ouya updates can also overwrite all these settings
4. I think you can run the Amazon store without rooting, which has some neat apps, such as YouTube or Netflix

no, when i recdived my kickstarter console it was not rooted. the developers edition was rooted.

All the units are rooted. You full access to the rooted directory from the get go. But as mentioned above, you do need to add the other tools to be able to benefit from it such as SuperUser and BusyBox.
What it doesn't have out the box is access to the bootloader.

You know what Kickstarter Ouyas come with?
This:
http://www.ouya.tv/claim-your-code/?code=A9HYCGY6WK <--- looks like the codes in the link
Give a thanks if you took it

There is a rootmyouya apk that installs su and superuser which is an easy way to get started. You will need to run it after every update. Then you can run titanium backup to back up games and data.
AlleN7 said:
You know what Kickstarter Ouyas come with?
This:
http://www.ouya.tv/claim-your-code/?code=A9HYCGY6WK <--- looks like the codes in the link
Give a thanks if you took it
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That is completely off topic. It is also a personal one time use code.
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TadeoNYC said:
There is a rootmyouya apk that installs su and superuser which is an easy way to get started. You will need to run it after every update. Then you can run titanium backup to back up games and data.
That is completely off topic. It is also a personal one time use code.
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I havent used it yet since I sold my Ouya. I didnt want to create a whole new topic just to post a code.

[Q] worth rooting?

what can I get if i root it? and also will I still be able to get official 4.4 update from google?
all I really want is to extract my paid apps from my phone

Tanveer bro, just wait for upcoming 4.4 official kitkat. I am also using cyanogenmod 10.2 and facing camera problem.

Rooting your phone offers several benefits and risks although most risks can be avoided if your careful and just read everything twice (measure twice cut once). I'm rooted to use apps like Greenify, Adaway, Six Axis controller app. And you can use more advanced root features of apps like Lite flow, ES Explorer, Dumpster, etc. Also it allows you to remove system apps you may not want, install custom kernels etc. If your just wanting to extract an app apk there is an app called "apk exctactor" in the Play Store but you may not be able to extract and use all paid apps. I use it for my son's Nabi Jr and for some apps it works well. Good Luck!
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Rooting is certainly worth it if you enjoy getting the most out of your phone. It gives you so many more options to play around and explore with but if you are not comfortable with being able to carefully follow directions and don't plan on actually using the benefits then you may not want to.