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Slide to wake or touch to wake?

Anybody have insight if this is possible on n4? Would be a downgrade if not possible. I am surprised touch to wake isn't on every phone by now. Bb10 phones are rumored to have it.
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@rbiter said:
Anybody have insight if this is possible on n4? Would be a downgrade if not possible. I am surprised touch to wake isn't on every phone by now. Bb10 phones are rumored to have it.
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I know what you're talking about, I have it on my sensation but it uses capacitive buttons to work and the nexus 4 uses on screen ones. I don't know if you could get out working without a hw mod
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I'm sure there are apps out there that do this. The biggest problem with what you want is that the screen/digitizer has to be active to achieve it. With the current unlock system Android, Apple, and Windows Phones have they save battery by making sure the screen is off. Can you imagine the phone always registering every touch? In my opinion it would be a downgrade to have that feature. But if you really want it then maybe look into this. http://lifehacker.com/5921321/smart...lay-on-or-off-when-you-wave-your-hand-over-it

Not interested in an app like that. Tried it a long time ago and it is terrible in real world use. Pgm nexus works awesome. Haven't seen any noticeable hit in battery life since Ive been using it. There are a few kernel I believe that you can use touch to wake, but nothing to my knowledge that has slide to wake/unlock. I rarely ever use my power button. So then lucky beneficiary of my phone soon will get a pristine nexus. USB ports hardly used also because of car and pogo dock and wireless data transfers.
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the developer of pgm says the n4 isn't sold in his country...a donation thread to help him get a phone would be cool

ceejay83 said:
the developer of pgm says the n4 isn't sold in his country...a donation thread to help him get a phone would be cool
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Would be more than happy to start a donate thread but I want my damn phone first. And I am sure everybody else does too. Then we can donate and wait.
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Double Tap Lock & Wake Feature

Does anyone has any idea regarding how the double tap to lock and wake works?
Need a port to other devices

I highly doubt it works on rom or device other than the g2 stock rom at this point.
Maybe scrosler knows.

I believe it is part of the launcher.... I thought I read some where that if you installed 3rd party launcher you lost that function...
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mouf32 said:
I believe it is part of the launcher.... I thought I read some where that if you installed 3rd party launcher you lost that function...
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nope its in the kernel, the launcher just allows you to do it anywhere on the homescreen if you are on a 3rd party launcher you just have to tap the status bar

thoughtlesskyle said:
nope its in the kernel, the launcher just allows you to do it anywhere on the homescreen if you are on a 3rd party launcher you just have to tap the status bar
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Or download "Lock Screen" from the play store and make a double tap gesture with nova launcher that opens the activity of that app. That's what I did and I have the double tap to lock working. The unlock works regardless of launcher.
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sublimejosh2000 said:
Or download "Lock Screen" from the play store and make a double tap gesture with nova launcher that opens the activity of that app. That's what I did and I have the double tap to lock working. The unlock works regardless of launcher.
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I'm Def gong to have to do that now thanks for the tip
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I think its the kernel. Pgm in the market does this. This feature has been out on the galaxy nexus.
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leyvatron said:
I think its the kernel. Pgm in the market does this. This feature has been out on the galaxy nexus.
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Same with the HTC one
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Yup, I'm using the nova launcher, double tap status bar still working
Anyone has any idea how does it work? Is it the digitizer just stay awake and listen for unlock? Won't it consume a lot of battery?
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woshiitcy said:
Yup, I'm using the nova launcher, double tap status bar still working
Anyone has any idea how does it work? Is it the digitizer just stay awake and listen for unlock? Won't it consume a lot of battery?
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I attempted to write an app to do this a long time ago. If its app-based like that, it needs to keep at least a partial wakelock on the phone to "listen" for the knock knock.
My guess is, on a multi-core CPU like the G2 has, they are turning off all but one core and putting that one core in the lowest MHz it will run, just to "listen" for the knock knock. Not app-based, but kernel based (like PGM). Clearly this doesnt use very much battery at all, as judged by the stellar battery life people have been reporting and that Ive seen on my own G2.

chrisexv6 said:
I attempted to write an app to do this a long time ago. If its app-based like that, it needs to keep at least a partial wakelock on the phone to "listen" for the knock knock.
My guess is, on a multi-core CPU like the G2 has, they are turning off all but one core and putting that one core in the lowest MHz it will run, just to "listen" for the knock knock. Not app-based, but kernel based (like PGM). Clearly this doesnt use very much battery at all, as judged by the stellar battery life people have been reporting and that Ive seen on my own G2.
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hi
I thought it worked off a motion sensor.. unlike the HTC One kernels and franciscofranco's mako kernel, which use the touchscreen. I can't remember where I read it but I think it uses motion sensors for this, gyro or something
I don';t think it uses the main CPU cores, it uses another ultra low power one to work. This is why these features drain so much on the One, because it doesn't have the extra things that the G2 and MotoX have
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The software platform is Android 4.2.2, and atop that is LG’s skin. LG has added a bunch of new features to its skinned Android experience, although its visual themeing remains essentially unchanged. Double tap to turn on and off uses the built in accelerometer to wake the phone up or turn it off – you just double tap quickly on the device when it’s in an off state to turn it on, and double tap quickly on a blank part of the display or status bar to turn it off. I don’t have a problem getting my index finger to the raised power button, but this is obviously an accommodation just in case that’s difficult.
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-http://www.anandtech.com/show/7205/hands-on-with-the-lg-g2-lgs-latest-flagship
Haven't looked into any code but Brian is knowlegable when it comes to these things
Could be the reason why, *according to reviews* it doesn't work 100% of the time

woshiitcy said:
Yup, I'm using the nova launcher, double tap status bar still working
Anyone has any idea how does it work? Is it the digitizer just stay awake and listen for unlock? Won't it consume a lot of battery?
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I lose about 1% battery every 3-4 hours when idle the whole time so while it may consume more battery the amount lost doesn't matter to me since idle drain is still hardly anything.

With the screen off and in the right light I can see hundreds of small grid like squares. I always assumed that they had something to do with the knock on feature.
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bigdjeff said:
With the screen off and in the right light I can see hundreds of small grid like squares. I always assumed that they had something to do with the knock on feature.
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You know pretty much every super LCD screen has them, it's just to what degree they show
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I'm pretty sure it's NOT the accelerometer.
I tried it, and it even works with the slightest touch I can do. I hardly touched it at all. Can't believe, that there was any motion.
Furthermore it doesn't work when knocking with my fingernail or any other thing.
So I think, it really works by touch-recognition by the display.

eFCiKay said:
I'm pretty sure it's NOT the accelerometer.
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you are right. it's definitely the touch screen waiting for the touches.
just try it on the edges on the screen - still works. next to the edges - doesn't work.

There's this post that I read somewhere from HardwareZone:
Not too sure if this is a solution, my imagination or simply I have gotten perfect overnight on using the KnockON feature but the insensitivity issue, that many and myself, have been facing is now gone - since last night, after I performed the following tests on my G2. (Yes, thses are merely TESTS, so wasn't expecting much..)
I got my set on the 26/9/13 and until last night this function got rather spot-on accurate and is not behaving in that erratic manner any more - at least for me. Here are the steps :
First Test
- Key in 3845#*802# on your phone dial.
- HW Device Test > Touch Test > Multi Touch Test
At this point, drag your finger across the screen from corner-to-corner and when your done. Press Volume-Up key once to exit.
Second Test
- From the same menu select "Touch Sensing Test 7*12"
- Tap in every box as many times as you want and on the red text as well at the bottom of the screen.
- Press Volume-Up Once to see result
- Press Volume-up again to Exit
- Finally, to exit the whole menu just use "return" soft key.
Once again, I like to highlight as strange as it may sound the above method has worked for me. And if not, then something definitely has. Do take note, Rockwell screen protector is still on and lastly, please do share your findings.
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I tried it and strangely this seems to work. I can't tell if it's placebo but now I'm a hell lot more confident that my phone will wake up at the first pair of knocks.
Also, this is definitely true for me:
The knock on is 100% effective the first try when my phone is lying flat on my desk OR vertical on a car mount. In fact, these are the only 2 instances where I actually use KnockON. When I hold my phone, I naturally use the power button. Yes, I still do have probs with knockON when I use my thumb to wake it up while holding the phone.

3845#*802# did nothing for me. No menu.

There are apk for the knock on feature. But I'm sure there are libs and services involved
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poondog said:
hi
I thought it worked off a motion sensor.. unlike the HTC One kernels and franciscofranco's mako kernel, which use the touchscreen. I can't remember where I read it but I think it uses motion sensors for this, gyro or something
I don';t think it uses the main CPU cores, it uses another ultra low power one to work. This is why these features drain so much on the One, because it doesn't have the extra things that the G2 and MotoX have
no idea what I am doing in this forum but I thought I'd answer it
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-http://www.anandtech.com/show/7205/hands-on-with-the-lg-g2-lgs-latest-flagship
Haven't looked into any code but Brian is knowlegable when it comes to these things
Could be the reason why, *according to reviews* it doesn't work 100% of the time
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Could be the motion sensor. Try doing the double tap while holding the phone in your hand... It become completely unreliable. BUT, it's 100% reliable for me while the phone is laying on a flat surface.

5.1.1 Existence has been leaked, what do we want?

So 5.1.1 was leaked on a Google Dev page today (Source)
What would we want to see in this Lollipop update for the N6 seeming we know nothing about whats coming?
Me personally? A bit better battery life (I think the second .1 indicates new kernel?) and to clean up some of the bugs.

exekias said:
So 5.1.1 was leaked on a Google Dev page today (Source)
What would we want to see in this Lollipop update for the N6 seeming we know nothing about whats coming?
Me personally? A bit better battery life (I think the second .1 indicates new kernel?) and to clean up some of the bugs.
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probably nothing beneficial for the N6... looks like it's only going to be for the N7 and N9... much like the 5.0.2 release was never "official" for the N6.

If its truly LMY47S, then it is not really 5.1.1.
That has the same build date code as 5.1.

I want faster responding sensors. Auto dimming, proximity sensor for phone calls sped up. Damn thing takes forever! As does auto rotate.

Want a rocketship for blasting off to Mars! Seems my Nexus6 has about everything else!

I'd like my battery to last over 9000 minutes of screen on time.

Three wishes, and none of them for an iPhone, M9, or S6.

Better battery optimization, improved camera and radio, and ability to switch to a dark Material theme.

Performance improvement for Camera, Dialer and occasional dropped frames in animations.

I would like google to unlock the notification led xD
Faster booting up and more options when shutting down.
Screen resolution options.
That's it for now, only had it for 2 days. Still learning about lollipop, I came from an galaxy s3.

Sexy wallpaper

- Notification lights back by default (non-rooted)
- (Better) hardware encryption for faster boot-up

Fix the carkit a2dp crashing when connected to a Bluetooth low energy device. I should not have to put my moto 360 in airplane mode every time I drive my car...
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clear all recent apps button
double tap screen on and off like the lg g3

kidhudi said:
clear all recent apps button
double tap screen on and off like the lg g3
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To you and others in this thread - You're on XDA and many of the feature requests are available in most custom ROMs. "I don't run rooted ROMs" or "I'd like those features to be in stock ROM" will probably be your reply, to which I will say, why are you commenting on a developer / Android customization forum?

kidhudi said:
clear all recent apps button
double tap screen on and off like the lg g3
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Why would Google implement something that is unnecessary and could cause problems? There hasn't been any need to close apps for quite a few iterations of android (actually an understatement)

With all these 'new' versions I find it interesting that N7 seems to be the problem child they can't get right.

I just want WiFi calling
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8Fishes said:
With all these 'new' versions I find it interesting that N7 seems to be the problem child they can't get right.
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Well it's using a tegra chip. All other nexus are using Qualcomm chips. Minus the 9 which is also late to the party.

The N6 is already a great device. What would make it stand above the rest is for it to be natively as smooth and lag free as the N5 is and to add some minor battery life improvements.

[TRICK] Double tap to wake, without tapping.

Hey guys, first post on the nexus 6 forums, just got mine a week ago. I'm sure many of you miss the notification light that most of us are use to. I know we can use the app lightflow to get the hidden led to light up but that is not what this is about. I for one miss double tap to wake on my G3 and Oneplus but there is another way and most of you already have the option activated. This magical setting, Ambient Display.
Instead of picking up the phone like a good boy or girl from your desk to check if there are notifications waiting, simply tap either the extreme right or left of the phone and this act will shake it causing the sensors to think you moved the phone and the ambient display will knock on. For those who don't follow, since the nexus 6 back is shaped like a U or curved tapping either side would cause the phone to rock.
That's it, just something I noticed and I did not see it mentioned anywhere, give it a try, no more picking up phones to check the time. Enjoy.

or, get root and use the real double tap to wake. you can get it working by app, or by kernel of choice. its actually included in the code for the n6, but not enabled. you can easily enable it, if you have root. besides, ambient display uses battery, and wakes often in the pocket(and gets really annoying).

simms22 said:
or, get root and use the real double tap to wake. you can get it working by app, or by kernel of choice. its actually included in the code for the n6, but not enabled. you can easily enable it, if you have root. besides, ambient display uses battery, and wakes often in the pocket(and gets really annoying).
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Ambient display doesn't wake up in my pocket. Chroma pocket mode. ? Still has to poll the prox sensor though, but I'm sure this would use less battery than the display waking up.

simms22 said:
or, get root and use the real double tap to wake. you can get it working by app, or by kernel of choice. its actually included in the code for the n6, but not enabled. you can easily enable it, if you have root. besides, ambient display uses battery, and wakes often in the pocket(and gets really annoying).
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Does double-tap-to-wake work reliably in 5.1.1? I tried it ages ago with 5.0.1 and found it often would require several extra taps to wake it up. I might root and try again if it works better now...

Oh! I didn't know this. I was missing that feature and I had it all the time.
Thanks for the tip.

On Chroma, Doubletap to wake using the wakegestures.apk is about 85-90% reliable in waking on the first doubletap, its not too big a deal.
Double tap to sleep is 100% reliable first time for me just like a g2-g3.
Nova launcher + screen lock and off app works amazing.

amd-dude said:
Hey guys, first post on the nexus 6 forums, just got mine a week ago. I'm sure many of you miss the notification light that most of us are use to. I know we can use the app lightflow to get the hidden led to light up but that is not what this is about. I for one miss double tap to wake on my G3 and Oneplus but there is another way and most of you already have the option activated. This magical setting, Ambient Display.
Instead of picking up the phone like a good boy or girl from your desk to check if there are notifications waiting, simply tap either the extreme right or left of the phone and this act will shake it causing the sensors to think you moved the phone and the ambient display will knock on. For those who don't follow, since the nexus 6 back is shaped like a U or curved tapping either side would cause the phone to rock.
That's it, just something I noticed and I did not see it mentioned anywhere, give it a try, no more picking up phones to check the time. Enjoy.
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Um... duh?

doitright said:
Um... duh?
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Ok well, sorry that my post seemed stupid to you.

Thanks for the tip @amd-dude. Its nice to see these type of helpful posts.

xdatastic said:
Does double-tap-to-wake work reliably in 5.1.1? I tried it ages ago with 5.0.1 and found it often would require several extra taps to wake it up. I might root and try again if it works better now...
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Nope. Now you know why Google never left it enabled.

The "rocking " feature to wake the screen was first implemented on the Moto X's Active Display.
Haptic DT2W works every time for me on 5.1.

nhizzat said:
The "rocking " feature to wake the screen was first implemented on the Moto X's Active Display.
Haptic DT2W works every time for me on 5.1.
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No it wasn't. Moto X's along with their Droid variants use IR sensors in the corners to detect movement. Thats not how Ambient Display works (which is quite a bit inferior).

adrynalyne said:
No it wasn't. Moto X's along with their Droid variants use IR sensors in the corners to detect movement. Thats not how Ambient Display works (which is quite a bit inferior).
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IR sensors were not used on the Moto X 2013. The nexus 6 "rocking" works the same as that phone, though Moto X seemed more sensitive from what I remember.

mwalt2 said:
IR sensors were not used on the Moto X 2013. The nexus 6 "rocking" works the same as that phone, though Moto X seemed more sensitive from what I remember.
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Huh. I had a Droid Ultra back then and I could have sworn it used ir sensors.
I stand corrected.

Does this kill the natural ambient notification? I would actually prefer both. Sometimes I just want to see if there are notifications without opening the display. Then would want to use the knock when I'm actually planning on using the phone
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hahaha nice trick

sand1303 said:
Does this kill the natural ambient notification? I would actually prefer both. Sometimes I just want to see if there are notifications without opening the display. Then would want to use the knock when I'm actually planning on using the phone
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It does not kill the native ambient display. Both can work together.

adrynalyne said:
Nope. Now you know why Google never left it enabled.
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Works well in my experience (on 5.1.1). I do notice that it works most of the time if I'm holding the phone at an angle, but it works every time if I hold the phone vertically. That was also the case with motion launch on my m8 so maybe it's by design to avoid accidental waking? I suspect people who don't find it working could be having the same issue.
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Double Tap to Wake?

Does the Essential Phone have the necessary hardware to support this? If so, has anyone ported this function from another phone to the Ph-1? Thanks.

awdrifter said:
Does the Essential Phone have the necessary hardware to support this? If so, has anyone ported this function from another phone to the Ph-1? Thanks.
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Its a kernel feature and it kills the battery

jacksummers said:
Its a kernel feature and it kills the battery
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Does that mean it's only possible with a custom Rom?
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awdrifter said:
Does that mean it's only possible with a custom Rom?
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It's possible but the screen must stay on and cant be put to sleep.
This means it drains battery.

tech_head said:
It's possible but the screen must stay on and cant be put to sleep.
This means it drains battery.
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How does other LCD screen phone do it then? The OnePlus 1 had it, and it also had a LCD screen. I don't think it was always on.
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awdrifter said:
How does other LCD screen phone do it then? The OnePlus 1 had it, and it also had a LCD screen. I don't think it was always on.
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I think it's a combination of low power states enabled for the CPU & digitizer, and a kernel level wakelock. Essential's firmware probably doesn't have that included.

garywojdan81 said:
I think it's a combination of low power states enabled for the CPU & digitizer, and a kernel level wakelock. Essential's firmware probably doesn't have that included.
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It's actually enabled by having the screen and its touch layer on a separate power rail to allow one to be powered on without sending power to another, this allows it to use very little power and work on some phones but use a considerable amount on others (like the PH-1)

Nick80835 said:
It's actually enabled by having the screen and its touch layer on a separate power rail to allow one to be powered on without sending power to another, this allows it to use very little power and work on some phones but use a considerable amount on others (like the PH-1)
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Ok, thanks for the info. I'm guessing the PH-1 doesn't have separate power for the screen and touch layer, thus the high power consumption if we use tap to wake.
I guess a follow up question is does anyone make a battery case for the PH-1? I guess I would be ok with the power consumption if I can get a battery case with 5500mah, that should allow the phone to last a full day even with tap to wake.

Essential have "lift to check phone" menu, maybe for replace doble tap to wake menu ?
I guess if this menu is enabled will make more battery drain.
IMHO
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This thread is full of total BS. AoD has worked onall customm ROMs I've used on l lcd since 2012.

Who is talking about AOD? That works fine if it is included in the source.. i missed that part..

innoth said:
Essential have "lift to check phone" menu, maybe for replace doble tap to wake menu ?
I guess if this menu is enabled will make more battery drain.
IMHO
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This is actually the ONLY way double tap to wake works...
If you wake the phone into doze mode... With lift to wake... You can then double tap the screen to wake it up...
So I hypothesize that if you were to use one of the AoD hacks... If they even work on this device... You could probably have double tap to wake

scottspa74 said:
This thread is full of total BS. AoD has worked onall customm ROMs I've used on l lcd since 2012.
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There's a way to do things and then there's a hacked together way to do things. You can make a lot of crap work, doesn't mean it works the best way.

I specifically asked @flar2 about this. Its totally possible if enabled in the kernel, but kills battery. Thats all.

scottspa74 said:
This thread is full of total BS. AoD has worked onall customm ROMs I've used on l lcd since 2012.
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No kidding... I get sick of idiotic apologists making up reasons for no tap to wake without real proven facts. First they come up with BS like "it uses too much power" waah waah! Then they come up with BS aboout how the hardware doesn't support it.
I don't have a PH-1 screen assembly, but just because there is one ribbon cable connecting it to the phone, doesn't mean that the screen and digitizer use the same power rail. Plenty of phones use tap to wake without any appreciable battery drain.

gyrfalcon said:
No kidding... I get sick of idiotic apologists making up reasons for no tap to wake without real proven facts. First they come up with BS like "it uses too much power" waah waah! Then they come up with BS aboout how the hardware doesn't support it.
I don't have a PH-1 screen assembly, but just because there is one ribbon cable connecting it to the phone, doesn't mean that the screen and digitizer use the same power rail. Plenty of phones use tap to wake without any appreciable battery drain.
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Flar is one of the greats. I used to be fullofhell. I proposed the very thing .. heres what he said

jacksummers said:
Flar is one of the greats. I used to be fullofhell. I proposed the very thing .. heres what he said
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To quote a movie...
It's not an excuse not to have the feature available. I'm a big boy, I can decide how I want to drain my battery. Don't need anyone making choices for me.

gyrfalcon said:
To quote a movie...
It's not an excuse not to have the feature available. I'm a big boy, I can decide how I want to drain my battery. Don't need anyone making choices for me.
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Haha nice quote, great film. Then i would say go for it, i would use uber toolchain to compile a kernel with the DT2W.

gyrfalcon said:
To quote a movie...
It's not an excuse not to have the feature available. I'm a big boy, I can decide how I want to drain my battery. Don't need anyone making choices for me.
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Well then what's keeping you from doing it? Big boy?

gyrfalcon said:
No kidding... I get sick of idiotic apologists making up reasons for no tap to wake without real proven facts. First they come up with BS like "it uses too much power" waah waah! Then they come up with BS aboout how the hardware doesn't support it.
I don't have a PH-1 screen assembly, but just because there is one ribbon cable connecting it to the phone, doesn't mean that the screen and digitizer use the same power rail. Plenty of phones use tap to wake without any appreciable battery drain.
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I don't think the amount of cables has anything to do with the power distribution for the screen. You want DT2W? Make it happen.
Edit: also nobody said it wasn't possible, this thread wasn't full of BS until people came in spouting nonsense about how someone else supposedly said it "doesn't support it" acting as if that's the reason it hasn't been done yet on this device.