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With the upcoming releases both versions of the Samsung galaxy S III in the US many consumers, like myself are trying to decide which version is the better investment. Of course this is subjective for users but perhaps the community could help clarify this decision. I haven't been able to find any threads or links really comparing the two for US users but this isn't necessarily finite because neither version has come to the yet (at least in NYC, stores tell me not for another two weeks) .
International versions will sell for $700 and a non-contract version from at&t will be $550. We all know the specs for the international version at least, the US will substitute the quadcore exynos processor for a dualcore processor, and be compensated with double the RAM (2GB) and LTE support but will be bogged down with bloatware and a locked device, which of course is inevitable, but us on xda know a thing or two about taking care of that.
If anyone can put in their input, it will be much appreciated, this decision is a bit tough to make.
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With the upcoming releases both versions of the Samsung galaxy S III in the US many consumers, like myself are trying to decide which version is the better investment. Of course this is subjective for users but perhaps the community could help clarify this decision. I haven't been able to find any threads or links really comparing the two for US users but this isn't necessarily finite because neither version has come to the yet (at least in NYC, stores tell me not for another two weeks) .
International versions will sell for $700 and a non-contract version from at&t will be $550. We all know the specs for the international version at least, the US will substitute the quadcore exynos processor for a dualcore processor, and be compensated with double the RAM (2GB) and LTE support but will be bogged down with bloatware and a locked device, which of course is inevitable, but us on xda know a thing or two about taking care of that.
If anyone can put in their input, it will be much appreciated, this decision is a bit tough to make.
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There's about 4 topics on this now just to let you know...
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It looks like the ATT version will not get the 50GB of Dropbox like the International version not too happy about that.
Yeah I always come to see that after I make a post, and the forum search never seems to locate anything unless I search for it, I apologize, ill delete the thread
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Now that the LG Optimus G is announced, looks like we will end this debate once and for all. If the Optimus G with a quadcore Qualcomm S4 chip, 2gb of ram, and a souped up GPU demolishes the dualcore Qualcomm S4; then we'll know that the people that were saying the extra cores was useless and the gpu is only good for games are full of crap.
If the real world performance between the dual and quad S4 chip is the same, then those people dissing the extra cores and superior gpu are vindicated.
Good times coming up.:laugh:
Did you really need to necrobump a dead thread on this, when there is another, active one?
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Guys, this is what I've been waiting for. :good:
Samsung just released it’s Android 4.1 Jelly Bean kernel source code for the LTE Samsung Galaxy S III (GT-I9305). Don’t confuse this device with the dual-core snapdragon S4 US Variant as this is the European LTE variant. GT-I9305 has the same Quad-Core Exynos 4412 CPU and the same ARM’s Mali-400MP GPU as the international Samsung Galaxy S III (GT-I9300).The only differences are that the European LTE variant uses 2GB RAM instead of 1GB and has LTE Radios.
This means that 3rd party Android developers, like the CyanogenMod team, can use European LTE Galaxy S III’s (GT-I9305) Android 4.1 Jelly Bean kernel source code to fix major bugs like the Memory Leak, HW Composer and Mali GPU related issues they were having with the International Samsung Galaxy S III (GT-I9300) as these both devices are very much identical. This source code can vastly improve and improve their Custom ROMs.
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Source:
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/09/19...e-code-for-lte-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-gt-i9305/
What do you think, best phone ever? If they would only pack it with a non-pentile-screen also, but at this point I can't say no any more, coming from my Arc S.
It will be interesting to see benchmark results and what difference the RAM might do.
The i9300 isn't the best phone now i9305 is...I don't under stand Samsung it been 4 month and release a better phone
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The i9300 isn't the best phone now i9305 is...I don't under stand Samsung it been 4 month and release a better phone
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My thoughts exactly. Seriously, what company releases a new model to replace their top of the line phone within 4 months of release. I love my Samsung phones but this is really bad form on Samsungs part.
Imagine if Apple releases the iPhone 6 in 4 months time. There will be riots. It won't happen. So much for resale value on the S3 i9300. Once stock runs out here in Oz it will no longer be sold. Replaced by the i9305.
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Frankly, this is what I expected the initial GS3 to be like. This and a non-pentile screen. Maybe old Sammy didn't finish LTE-integration in time for the GT-I9300, and maybe they packed it with only 1 gig RAM to save a few bucks. Idunno. Sorry to say, I think we're gonna have to live with 720-pen-tile 'til spring next year.
But this version is going to be... blistering! Especially after the buzz with launcher redraws due to lack of RAM, I'm looking forward to the comparisons. It comes in all-black as well.
I wonder what the coming Nexus will be based on. Do we dare to hope? I don't think Sammy will allow a copy of GT-I9305 as a Nexus, but man would it be nice.
Let's sit and wait for a release date.
If all GT-i9300 ROMs work on this i9305 then I'm sold instantly.
From what i've heard LTE uses quite a lot of ram so that's why it's needed in the I9305 version...
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From what i've heard LTE uses quite a lot of ram so that's why it's needed in the I9305 version...
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And battery I'll stick with the i9300 ram can be optimised and 4g isn't big yet
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Ausboy 2011 said:
And battery I'll stick with the i9300 ram can be optimised and 4g isn't big yet
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Well said.
Wonder if you'll be able to install apps to external SD on this one?
BS...
Didn't the iphone 4s come out like 5 or 6 months after the iphone 4? I know a few people swapped the 4 for the 4s.
I for one will be selling my s3 as soon as the s3 lte version comes out.
I was hoping it was out next week or thereabouts but it's looking doubtful.
This version will work on 3g network? I mean, o have a 9300 and i wanna change for 9305 but im not shure if will work on brasilian network.
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Didn't the iphone 4s come out like 5 or 6 months after the iphone 4? I know a few people swapped the 4 for the 4s.
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Difference was about 1 yr 4 months between releases. June 2010 to October 2011.
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From what i've heard LTE uses quite a lot of ram so that's why it's needed in the I9305 version...
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Most likely true, but the RAM will come in handy even when LTE is shut off.
brenogbi said:
This version will work on 3g network? I mean, o have a 9300 and i wanna change for 9305 but im not shure if will work on brasilian network.
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Yes, it will still work with 2G, 3G and 3.5G.
No it doesnt use that much ram it would use as much as the korean version and I have a screenshot showing 1.1gb Free Ram and thats with alot of tasks running. I have been waiting for this phone for over 1 month now its pretty old news, It was released in australia yesterday but its 16gb version so I am waiting for the 32gb which I will snap up straight away shouldnt be that much longer now.
And this will the the final release of the flagship phone before the S4 who cares why is everyone crying they releasing a better phone. Better for us we have more options now. I actually cant wait to get my hands on this one in my opinion this is how the original specs should look like finally they actually thought abit and released it
Because many people bought this phone outright for $800+ at launch
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No it doesnt use that much ram it would use as much as the korean version and I have a screenshot showing 1.1gb Free Ram and thats with alot of tasks running. I have been waiting for this phone for over 1 month now its pretty old news, It was released in australia yesterday but its 16gb version so I am waiting for the 32gb which I will snap up straight away shouldnt be that much longer now.
And this will the the final release of the flagship phone before the S4 who cares why is everyone crying they releasing a better phone. Better for us we have more options now. I actually cant wait to get my hands on this one in my opinion this is how the original specs should look like finally they actually thought abit and released it
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Its a nice phone and if I was in the market today I would get one instead of the i9300... 1.1g of free ram is nice, but frankly if you have that much "free" at any point in time its just wasted. Had zero multitasking issues with the i9300..
Don't worry guys.... after all releases of any Samsung models you will still go for whatever phone you want to buy...you will always be disappointed, that's how they control consumers... just think!!!
I thought we already know how this works!This people at Samsung sales are just laughing.... So why don't we just stay with what phone we have and maybe change it after 2 years, that's how it's suppose to be.
Except if you have a lot of money to spend with buying top of the line phones. Then go for it!
It was when there was a problem of getting a quad-core to work with a 4G LTE Chipset (Reason why all the American S3 's have dual-cores). They only were able to find a solution when they were testing the Galaxy Note 2. Since then, they can now get the new Quad-core into the Galaxy S3 with 4G. 4G also will use more RAM than its predecessor.
Even Apple tried to fix it, until recently they were able to fit the quad-core A6 chip into their iPhone5 with LTE. They could have put in a quad-core into their iPad 3, but didn't at the time cuz of the 4G / Quad-core incompatibility, instead they used the A5X (The original dual-core A5 processor hyper-threaded to a logical 4 cores) not a quad-core.
Well, now we're all gonna be getting more powerful quad-core powered phones with 4G!!!
wel I will let you know if its wasted ram or not when I get it I will report back. I also bought the l9300 But I didnt pay 800, Few hundred dollars less. And I will sell it after I buy the I9305, I will be out of pocket maximum $100 so I think that's a good deal.
I'm currenty in the USA, and travel internationally. I'd like to get the S4, but can't seem to find a source for an OEM, unlocked, 64GB Octo-core version. Does anyone know where I can purchase one? Some sites have the Octo-core but only 16GB, or they have the 64GB but only the quad-core. I'm not one to upgrade my phone every 2 weeks (sarcasm), so this will be an investment for me. No carrier-branded versions, or locked ROMs (I do flash my phones).
Thanks!
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-i9500-galaxy-s-iv-64-gb-unlocked-black-mist.html#.UYhQTrXvt1E
Why do you want the exynos one?
dli7319 said:
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-i9500-galaxy-s-iv-64-gb-unlocked-black-mist.html#.UYhQTrXvt1E
Why do you want the exynos one?
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Thanks for the link!
I want the latest and greatest because it'll make me feel better about myself and will hopefully make me be accepted by others.
In all seriousness, I've been reading reviews and comparisons, and although the performances are very close, I'm concerned about ... I can't think of the term, but "un-upgradable" after 6-12 months. I'm currently using a Samsung Droid Charge from 2011, and while it was a nice and capable phone then, it still functions as a nice phone now. Only problem is I've reached a ceiling as far as upgradability. I am stuck with Android v2.3.6 (Eclipse ROM), while "current phones" are running Android 4.2+. I'm a very heavy user of the phone and many of its features, and find that I'm often coming across performance issues.
That's just a brief reason why I'd prefer to get the Exynos version. I'm open to suggestions, but I certainly don't want a USA carrier-branded/bloated/locked version. Those days for me are over (the proverbial ball and chain are gone).
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whiteblazer01 said:
Thanks for the link!
I want the latest and greatest because it'll make me feel better about myself and will hopefully make me be accepted by others.
In all seriousness, I've been reading reviews and comparisons, and although the performances are very close, I'm concerned about ... I can't think of the term, but "un-upgradable" after 6-12 months. I'm currently using a Samsung Droid Charge from 2011, and while it was a nice and capable phone then, it still functions as a nice phone now. Only problem is I've reached a ceiling as far as upgradability. I am stuck with Android v2.3.6 (Eclipse ROM), while "current phones" are running Android 4.2+. I'm a very heavy user of the phone and many of its features, and find that I'm often coming across performance issues.
That's just a brief reason why I'd prefer to get the Exynos version. I'm open to suggestions, but I certainly don't want a USA carrier-branded/bloated/locked version. Those days for me are over (the proverbial ball and chain are gone).
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Team hacksung,
the team behind all the s3/s2/note2 ports of cm have pledged not to work with exynos hardware, and Cyanogen himself who used to work at Samsung is only supporting qualcomm galaxy s4s, the performance difference is honestly negligible, and without fm radio, there is no benefit (if any a con) to get the international s4, Cyanogen currently works on a tmobile galaxy s4 btw
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39255132&postcount=27
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Keep in mind that gsm phones won't work on Verizon, highly suggest you switch to tmobile's $30 plan
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Team hacksung,
the team behind all the s3/s2/note2 ports of cm have pledged not to work with exynos hardware, and Cyanogen himself who used to work at Samsung is only supporting qualcomm galaxy s4s, the performance difference is honestly negligible, and without fm radio, there is no benefit (if any a con) to get the international s4, Cyanogen currently works on a tmobile galaxy s4 btw
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=39255132&postcount=27
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I was actually considering that as a reason not to get the Exynos, and since the performance is negligible, I just might get the quad-core, for the sake of customizability and upgradability. Seems to be a waste of potential technological opportunity.
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Keep in mind that gsm phones won't work on Verizon, highly suggest you switch to tmobile's $30 plan
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Oh, right. I forgot, the Droid Charge is a Verizon-branded phone. I haven't had Verizon since shortly after I got the phone, but I'm still using the phone... offline (complicated story).
I'll be using a different carrier while in the USA (without a contract), as I'll be traveling to other countries, so Verizon wouldn't be an option anyway.
At $890, you could literally buy a 16GB Nexus 4 And a 32 GB nexus 10, or a 64gb htc one and many accessories (wifi hdd), or 2 nexus phones, just keep in mind that the s4 is only the best by spec, the htc one has better speakers and screen and build quality plus it is already out and $200 cheaper, feel free to wait for the s4 if you are set on it but it is priced to much like a iPhone IMHO
And you have a proper warranty when buying a htc one since it isn't a grey import
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I'll tell you why...
dli7319 said:
At $890, you could literally buy a 16GB Nexus 4 And a 32 GB nexus 10, or a 64gb htc one and many accessories (wifi hdd), or 2 nexus phones, just keep in mind that the s4 is only the best by spec, the htc one has better speakers and screen and build quality plus it is already out and $200 cheaper, feel free to wait for the s4 if you are set on it but it is priced to much like a iPhone IMHO
And you have a proper warranty when buying a htc one since it isn't a grey import
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Because the Samsung has a replaceable battery along with the memory card slot. I use my phone for my business and I CANNOT be strapped to a charger all day. Being able to swap batteries in the middle of the day, no matter where I am, makes Samsung the only viable game in town. You can keep your shiny cool aluminum sealed cell phone. I'll take the good 'ole removable plastic backed one every time.
OK, btw I have a s3 and I understand the convenience of removable batteries and storage
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You have to keep in mind that we're in a non-US phone forum. It also happens to dwarf all US S3 forums in terms of development. What I mean by that is although CM may be working on the US version, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a huge contingent of devs for the Exynos version. Just take a look at the AT&T or T-Mobile forums for the Note2 or S3. They don't have any dev support. AndreiLux, my fav dev, has already committed to the Exynos.
Personally, I don't care for CM. It's my personal opinion that CM is best suited for lower-end phones that need the purity of Android without the bloatware because of limited tech specs. If you have a beastly S4 or HTC One, why bother.
My advice would be to get a 16GB Exynos and wait until the development starts happening. Also get ready for 128GB Micro SD Cards. I hear they're rolling out first half of this year.
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jinosong said:
You have to keep in mind that we're in a non-US phone forum. It also happens to dwarf all US S3 forums in terms of development. What I mean by that is although CM may be working on the US version, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a huge contingent of devs for the Exynos version. Just take a look at the AT&T or T-Mobile forums for the Note2 or S3. They don't have any dev support. AndreiLux, my fav dev, has already committed to the Exynos.
Personally, I don't care for CM. It's my personal opinion that CM is best suited for lower-end phones that need the purity of Android without the bloatware because of limited tech specs. If you have a beastly S4 or HTC One, why bother.
My advice would be to get a 16GB Exynos and wait until the development starts happening. Also get ready for 128GB Micro SD Cards. I hear they're rolling out first half of this year.
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I respect your opinion but as I see it, pure Android is faster, slimmer and overall technically better, meanwhile Touchwiz is more consumer oriented and has several quirks and bugs.
Since we are in a developer-oriented forum, several folks will want that. It never hurts to have wider support/more options.
And AOSP in a beastly phone runs even better.
I wouldn't bet on the Exynos version, not many developers will join the fray after all the BS Samsung has pulled recently, and their dismal support of their own SoC
Since you namedropped him: Andrei has mentioned some valuable things about the Octa that might help steer the decision one way or another (he has the Octa variant):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2258519
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41125997&postcount=4
Qualcomm has great resources for developers and is widely accepted. Most likely the next Nexus devices will be based on the latest Snapdragons.
Edit: @ OP: You might wanna read the S4 forums for a while, there are some issues with the screen for some folks. Just to make sure you have it in mind
OT: Glebun, go mini-mod somewhere else, please. Your posts serve no purpose in this context for more than adding 1 extra post to your count.
That's what the report button is for, if you reply, you give a thread more relevance - which is counter intuitive to the whole purpose of your post.
I didn't even know you could get the S4 in 64GB so soon. Some websites were saying that only the 16GB version is available right now. Or maybe they were talking about the US-variant.
I read somewhere that the octa-core version will get a software update which will increase performance by 10%. Here's the link; http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-to-boost-performance-of-galaxy-s4-202912/
On a blazing fast phone (which is blowing all the benchmarks out of the water), a 10% increase in performance is significant!!!
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I didn't even know you could get the S4 in 64GB so soon. Some websites were saying that only the 16GB version is available right now. Or maybe they were talking about the US-variant.
I read somewhere that the octa-core version will get a software update which will increase performance by 10%. Here's the link; http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-to-boost-performance-of-galaxy-s4-202912/
On a blazing fast phone (which is blowing all the benchmarks out of the water), a 10% increase in performance is significant!!!
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Technically you can already get that performance by using the A15s only.
My guess is that the performance improvement statement is rather a bad understanding of the graph, the point that they were trying to make is that HMP should bring the performance advantages of running solely on A15s at the reduced power consumption of CPU migration.
HMP should get the same full performance at 50% less power consumption, according to those figures and that specific scenario.
The author of the article was overreaching on his statement, it does not mean is a general improvement or a performance unlock.
I guess whatever the case, they'll certainly be bringing an increase in power. That's good news for all (those on the Snapdragon processor shouldn't complain since that is already quite fast)!
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I'm currenty in the USA, and travel internationally. I'd like to get the S4, but can't seem to find a source for an OEM, unlocked, 64GB Octo-core version. Does anyone know where I can purchase one? Some sites have the Octo-core but only 16GB, or they have the 64GB but only the quad-core. I'm not one to upgrade my phone every 2 weeks (sarcasm), so this will be an investment for me. No carrier-branded versions, or locked ROMs (I do flash my phones).
Thanks!
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But the octa core will not have lte. The only one that will the Korean version but the other octa cores won't have lte if you want lte then you need to get the snapdragon version.
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But the octa core will not have lte. The only one that will the Korean version but the other octa cores won't have lte if you want lte then you need to get the snapdragon version.
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Is having LTE only a concern in the USA? How about Europe (outside GB) and Central America? If one travels and lives outside the USA, what would be recommended (for a 64GB Galaxy S4)? I realize this is an American based forum, but I also know there are a lot of people with insight into international phone variants, different frequency bands, and international carriers (which is not my area of expertise).
Just an update, I've contacted Negri Electronics and Expansys, (UnlockedMobiles and Handtec only seem to offer the 16GB version), as they seem to be the few websites that actually have the 64GB Octo-core unit on their website. Nobody seems to have this in stock, and they all say they're waiting on more information from Samsung regarding availability. So it seems a 64GB Octo-core GS4 is nowhere to be found.
After doing some research, it's likely that Samsung will release another S4 variant with Snapdragon 800 internationally. Currently, that top-of-the-line model is restricted to Korea, but i think that come IFA in September, things might change.
http://www.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_800_samsung_galaxy_s4_benchmarked_vs_octa_model-news-6284.php
There are already several sellers on eBay supplying the S800 version. For example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Korea-Editi...1265240201?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3cd49f3089
So, what do you guys think? Are we going to get dev support on that S800 if it's released internationally?
In case it's not released internationally, will XDA bother to create a developer forum for it (since quite a few people might be tempted to import their own S4 S800 from eBay sellers)?
My predictions for IFA 2013; Samsung will introduce Note 3 (nothing new here, as it's all been confimed with leaks) but then we might be surprised to find an international release for an S4 S800 variant as well as an S4 Active S800 variant.
electronical said:
After doing some research, it's likely that Samsung will release another S4 variant with Snapdragon 800 internationally. Currently, that top-of-the-line model is restricted to Korea, but i think that come IFA in September, things might change.
http://www.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_800_samsung_galaxy_s4_benchmarked_vs_octa_model-news-6284.php
There are already several sellers on eBay supplying the S800 version. For example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Korea-Editi...1265240201?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3cd49f3089
So, what do you guys think? Are we going to get dev support on that S800 if it's released internationally?
In case it's not released internationally, will XDA bother to create a developer forum for it (since quite a few people might be tempted to import their own S4 S800 from eBay sellers)?
My predictions for IFA 2013; Samsung will introduce Note 3 (nothing new here, as it's all been confimed with leaks) but then we might be surprised to find an international release for an S4 S800 variant as well as an S4 Active S800 variant.
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I think yes, but for gn3 I prefer t4, because is more Power. Rumors said, 3g=exynos 5420 4g=s800
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I was just about to make this thread, I'm glad someone is having the same thoughts as me.
Yeah I'm somewhat worried about the recent news regarding the AOSP maintainer who recently resigned over Qualcomm being extremely protective over the GPU driver sources for the new Nexus 7. Correct me if I'm wrong, but so far haven't Qualcomm been very good to the developer community regarding source code etc?
With the Snapdragon 600 version of the S4, there is always the Google version to fall back on. I remember having the first SGS and having a Nexus device (I know the S4 G isn't a Nexus device), that was so close to the SGS in hardware really helped kernel developers out.
At the moment, I'm erring on the side of caution with regards to the S800 version. I'd much rather have a slightly slower device in synthetic benchmarks (almost unnoticeable in the real world) and excellent dev support backed by a very clean version of the OS, from the Google Edition phone, than a slightly faster device with buggy rom and poor dev support.
I'd really like to hear from an android developer here as to quite what the problems with the S800 version might be. It is hard for me to give a fully reasoned judgement when I know little about what precisely is required to port something like AOSP / CM to a device.
I think the S800s real asset is the adreno 330. Otherwise, the cpu difference is probably even less than what you see from S3 exynos 4412 to snapdragon S4 pro.
If gaming is very important for you, then go for the S800. It will very likely receive less dev support (see galaxy S plus vs galaxy S), but has a stronger CPU/GPU combination. Unless you want to test out AOSP some point in the future, I do not think you would lose much from S800. Besides, why would you want to mod the S4 that much anyway, it's already pretty sick running stock.
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Finally, here is the confirmation that something is indeed happening (for international release) with the S4 and S800:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Inte...E-A-and-Snapdragon-800-visits-the-FCC_id46502
Watch out for the announcement around IFA 2013.
In the coming weeks and especially after launch, the debate will gain momentum about buying better specs (i9506) v/s better dev support (i9505).
I think that the S600 variant remains more suited - it has more direct support from the AOSP ROM of the i9505G (S4 GE) and i highly doubt that the S4 GE ROM will work directly on the S800 version. The S800 architecture is different/improved on S600, and the Adreno 330 is an entirely different beast altogether. So, unless Samsung releases an i9506G (S800 GE variant, which i doubt will happen as there is already one S4 GE variant and it wouldn't make any sense to release more GE of the same phone!) i would still bet my money on the i9505. And you should prefer the better dev support model too, since you're reading this off of XDA!
In my opinion, the S800 is just a publicity stunt as the original S4 no longer has the fastest chipset, so Samsung is making up for it against its competitors by releasing an S800 variant. Most countries don't have LTE-A and there's always going to be a better, faster, more power-efficient device. IFA will continue this legacy (other than S4 variants, we'll get the Note 3 and Sony's Honami).:cyclops:
With all the speculation on the Snapdragon 810 breathing fire and the Lg G4's 808 subjected to throttling (as evident in the Asus ZF2 Vs Lg G4 video from Lb s on YouTube) I hope that the statements made by the Asus bigwigs to switch to SD from Intel Atom are back tracked and even Intel should continue with the ZF2 as a prime example for its performance where others are quite simply failing to deliver for the sky high price being asked!
your thoughts!?
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With all the speculation on the Snapdragon 810 breathing fire and the Lg G4's 808 subjected to throttling (as evident in the Asus ZF2 Vs Lg G4 video from Lb s on YouTube) I hope that the statements made by the Asus bigwigs to switch to SD from Intel Atom are back tracked and even Intel should continue with the ZF2 as a prime example for its performance where others are quite simply failing to deliver for the sky high price being asked!
your thoughts!?
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I think i've watched an interview before where ASUS said they will make the next model packed w/ SD. Not so sure since I cant quite remember where I watched the video interview.
MrKoji said:
I think i've watched an interview before where ASUS said they will make the next model packed w/ SD. Not so sure since I cant quite remember where I watched the video interview.
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I know about that interview and it is exactly my point, they shouldn't, I mean with all the evidence now pointing towards the dragon why tinker with something which isn't requiring a fix?
Hmmm a switch from Intel to SD 810 (as mentioned here) wouldn't be useful. Let's think about: All devices with SD 810 or 808 are in the highend category. Prices around 600 bucks and upwards.
We shouldn't forget that an ZenFone 2 is still midrange (regarding the price). So as long as ASUS isn't going for an high-end device, there is no need for an such a pricey SOC .
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Hudrator said:
Hmmm a switch from Intel to SD 810 (as mentioned here) wouldn't be useful. Let's think about: All devices with SD 810 or 808 are in the highend category. Prices around 600 bucks and upwards.
We shouldn't forget that an ZenFone 2 is still midrange (regarding the price). So as long as ASUS isn't going for an high-end device, there is no need for an such a pricey SOC .
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the soc actually makes up a fraction of the total phone cost.. so a switch probably wouldnt necessarily result in the phone price increasing by that much (just take a look at xiaomi)
that aside.. the S810 is seriously a disappointment this time around.. and it would make sense for asus to stick to the atom for this generation
It surly is just a small amount of the price. But it is not a question of material costs. It's a dicision how to enter a special market segment. And that would be the high end class.
Even Xiaomi isn't cheap here in Europe. If you purchase the Mi Note Pro at the moment at a reliable shop and paying normal taxes, we are talking about 650 Euros. Galaxy S6 is here 730 (64GB) or 600 (32GB)...LG G4 for 650Euros. The M9 goes for 550 Euros.
There would be no need for ASUS aiming at price below 550 Euros due to not enough competition in this segment.
And that 550 Euros are nearly twice as much I have payed for my ZenFone 2.
The only manufacturer showing us how you could possibly go below that point is OnePlus. But I really don't want to wait on somebody who is kind enough to give me at least an invite to buy a phone...
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But I think of this situation slightly differently... Price being subjective, it's more about the quality that you would end up with... Would you in all honesty buy a flagship with a chipset used as an oven or pay half price for something which works right now.... The problem with ZF2 is going to be its own success ... The ZF3 would be required to out perform and outsell naturally but at what price .. If the current value stands at 390$ then I would want to see something in the area of 450/470$ .... No holds bared ... Mean machine
For the ones who can't spend 1000$ on a G4.. Let them have the S6/7 or M9 or G5s... Just give us our chance to geek out over a phone which doesn't require an arm or a leg to own!
SBFarooq said:
But I think of this situation slightly differently... Price being subjective, it's more about the quality that you would end up with... Would you in all honesty buy a flagship with a chipset used as an oven or pay half price for something which works right now.... The problem with ZF2 is going to be its own success ... The ZF3 would be required to out perform and outsell naturally but at what price .. If the current value stands at 390$ then I would want to see something in the area of 450/470$ .... No holds bared ... Mean machine
For the ones who can't spend 1000$ on a G4.. Let them have the S6/7 or M9 or G5s... Just give us our chance to geek out over a phone which doesn't require an arm or a leg to own!
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True story. If i wouldn't say that price / value are well balencend on this device, i wouldn't have switched from my Note 4 (and earning money for using a phone for 3 months )
I think they will be capable to deliver a "new" ZenFone 2, whitch is able to outperform this generation in a year. At the same price range. We will have the a new generation of SOCs, camera sensors... and so on. And there will still be a "midrange" or the "old" high end. The only question is: Is ASUS willing to to do so?
ASUS is faceing a really hard competion in midrange market. Aspecially in asia. You have all the Jiyavu's, Siswoo's, elephone's, Xiaomi's, etc. And they all have quiet good price / value ratio. And nearly the same hardware.
For example: I could choose between a Jiyavu S3 Advance for nealy 300€ or the ASUS for 320€ (normal price with shipment around 390€). Differences 3GB RAM vs. 4GB RAM, CPU and Graphics power will be nearly the same in reallife, camera sensor Sony vs. Toshiba, both Dual-Sim, screensize / resolution and Mirco SD extension.
I choose ASUS because i got more RAM and a slightly better CPU for 20€... Would it be the normal price i maybe had choose the Jiyavu... (At the moment I ' m happy for going with ASUS ).
Back to Topic. If ASUS wants to deliver more midrange phones, i think they will stick with Intel. Price / Value seems to be at a sweetspot. Only MediaTech is able to deliver kind of compareable hardware for midrange phones (there seems to be a reason why the MT 6752 is in nearly every new "Chinaphone").
If ASUS wants to build a highend device, well, SD will be an option also MediaTech. I'm not quiet sure what Intel got in there portfolio.
SBFarooq said:
But I think of this situation slightly differently... Price being subjective, it's more about the quality that you would end up with... Would you in all honesty buy a flagship with a chipset used as an oven or pay half price for something which works right now.... The problem with ZF2 is going to be its own success ... The ZF3 would be required to out perform and outsell naturally but at what price .. If the current value stands at 390$ then I would want to see something in the area of 450/470$ .... No holds bared ... Mean machine
For the ones who can't spend 1000$ on a G4.. Let them have the S6/7 or M9 or G5s... Just give us our chance to geek out over a phone which doesn't require an arm or a leg to own!
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This makes sense if smartphone tech wasn't rapidly improving and getting cheaper by the minute. By the time Zenfone 3 comes around, a more powerful SoC will be available at a cheaper price point.
On a side note, I've found the MT6752 based phones to be significantly snappier all-around than Z3560.
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It surly is just a small amount of the price. But it is not a question of material costs. It's a dicision how to enter a special market segment. And that would be the high end class.
Even Xiaomi isn't cheap here in Europe. If you purchase the Mi Note Pro at the moment at a reliable shop and paying normal taxes, we are talking about 650 Euros. Galaxy S6 is here 730 (64GB) or 600 (32GB)...LG G4 for 650Euros. The M9 goes for 550 Euros.
There would be no need for ASUS aiming at price below 550 Euros due to not enough competition in this segment.
And that 550 Euros are nearly twice as much I have payed for my ZenFone 2.
The only manufacturer showing us how you could possibly go below that point is OnePlus. But I really don't want to wait on somebody who is kind enough to give me at least an invite to buy a phone...
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I do agree that going with a high end SD SoC means entering a different segment of market, but the current situation has changed, at least with 2015. SD810 is no longer the to-go SoC for a flagship.
qualcomm screwing up this year really means something for everyone else in the market. think about it, now that Sammy has debuted its in-house Exynos that successfully, how likely will they use a SD next gen? assume they don't screw up their design, not likely isn't it? look at HTC, they are slowly moving towards mediatek for flagships also.
It used to be that to be flagship you gotta have a qualcomm chip, but now that trend is slowly disappearing. qualcomm no longer has the reputation it used to have.
Chinaphonearena said:
This makes sense if smartphone tech wasn't rapidly improving and getting cheaper by the minute. By the time Zenfone 3 comes around, a more powerful SoC will be available at a cheaper price point.
On a side note, I've found the MT6752 based phones to be significantly snappier all-around than Z3560.
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But then again isnt Z3560 pushing around 80% of the processing power of the Z3580 right now, and all respect to MTK aside I think they have ventured on the "More Cores = More Power" route results of which are still awaited! I think Intel has gained a huge boost to their brand name in mobile tech and should carry their future chips (subsidized) with Asus to carry this wave over!
Hudrator said:
True story. If i wouldn't say that price / value are well balencend on this device, i wouldn't have switched from my Note 4 (and earning money for using a phone for 3 months )
I think they will be capable to deliver a "new" ZenFone 2, whitch is able to outperform this generation in a year. At the same price range. We will have the a new generation of SOCs, camera sensors... and so on. And there will still be a "midrange" or the "old" high end. The only question is: Is ASUS willing to to do so?
ASUS is faceing a really hard competion in midrange market. Aspecially in asia. You have all the Jiyavu's, Siswoo's, elephone's, Xiaomi's, etc. And they all have quiet good price / value ratio. And nearly the same hardware.
For example: I could choose between a Jiyavu S3 Advance for nealy 300€ or the ASUS for 320€ (normal price with shipment around 390€). Differences 3GB RAM vs. 4GB RAM, CPU and Graphics power will be nearly the same in reallife, camera sensor Sony vs. Toshiba, both Dual-Sim, screensize / resolution and Mirco SD extension.
I choose ASUS because i got more RAM and a slightly better CPU for 20€... Would it be the normal price i maybe had choose the Jiyavu... (At the moment I ' m happy for going with ASUS ).
Back to Topic. If ASUS wants to deliver more midrange phones, i think they will stick with Intel. Price / Value seems to be at a sweetspot. Only MediaTech is able to deliver kind of compareable hardware for midrange phones (there seems to be a reason why the MT 6752 is in nearly every new "Chinaphone").
If ASUS wants to build a highend device, well, SD will be an option also MediaTech. I'm not quiet sure what Intel got in there portfolio.
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Aha! but here is where Asus is ahead of the curve .... "Brand Recognition".... I agree 100% to the competition it might face in the Asian market but it would have a very much paved path in Europe and America as it already is an established brand in these markets due to its PC/Laptop ventures and thus a partnership with Intel (also a De facto processor for laptops) is something which already sells (Republic of Gaming anyone??) and would be easily presented in Zenfone.
Intel needs a way in the mobile market, and I think that if Zenfone sells anywhere near the target of 25Mil sets, the next phone might see even more subsidized support from Intel ... meaning better quality on a cheaper price and the winner is the buyer ... (If google doesn't flushes android compleatly down the drain like the latest updated which left some nexus 7 tabs bricked )!!!
Only problem with Intel is the locked bootloader and being stuck on 32-bit Android
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Only problem with Intel is the locked bootloader and being stuck on 32-bit Android
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bootloader unlock will come.. its just a matter of when...
and yeah the 32bit android is a letdown
what abt openness of the source code?
I don't really know how open source intel are abt there product
but we need open source codes so that developers can support zenfones
lyeith said:
bootloader unlock will come.. its just a matter of when...
and yeah the 32bit android is a letdown
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Why is 32 bit a letdown? Does this mean that being 32 forces you to underutilize RAM as in PCs?
hellbraker said:
Why is 32 bit a letdown? Does this mean that being 32 forces you to underutilize RAM as in PCs?
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ram utilization isn't an issue cuz we only have 4GBs..
its the fact that certain instructions benefit from the 64bit mode.. and thats not counting the extra registers available too..
more to the point.. the device could perform even better
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yakub234go said:
what abt openness of the source code?
I don't really know how open source intel are abt there product
but we need open source codes so that developers can support zenfones
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asus has already released the source codes on their website.. and i believe at least 1 person here has managed to compile the kernel..
the only missing piece is the bootloader unlock to flash it
SBFarooq said:
But then again isnt Z3560 pushing around 80% of the processing power of the Z3580 right now, and all respect to MTK aside I think they have ventured on the "More Cores = More Power" route results of which are still awaited! I think Intel has gained a huge boost to their brand name in mobile tech and should carry their future chips (subsidized) with Asus to carry this wave over!
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When I take a look like a "normal" consumer, i wouldn't be intrested in how they achieve more power. If they develop a CPU with 100 cores, that wouldn't bother me as long as the power and battery consumption getting better.
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Aha! but here is where Asus is ahead of the curve .... "Brand Recognition".... I agree 100% to the competition it might face in the Asian market but it would have a very much paved path in Europe and America as it already is an established brand in these markets due to its PC/Laptop ventures and thus a partnership with Intel (also a De facto processor for laptops) is something which already sells (Republic of Gaming anyone??) and would be easily presented in Zenfone. ...
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Yes, the Brand name is quiet common in Europe and USA but as you statet for PCs, Laptops... They could make a use of this
but for example in Germany, we don't really have a big market for mid-range devices. The users here, change there phone when their contract is finished. So they get there hands on the high end devices for 150 € and cheaper (I know, prices for contracts are higher... but not many people are looking it that way).
So even if they have a name, without the right Phone they aren't able to sell many...
Buk-Lau said:
I do agree that going with a high end SD SoC means entering a different segment of market, but the current situation has changed, at least with 2015. SD810 is no longer the to-go SoC for a flagship.
qualcomm screwing up this year really means something for everyone else in the market. think about it, now that Sammy has debuted its in-house Exynos that successfully, how likely will they use a SD next gen? assume they don't screw up their design, not likely isn't it? look at HTC, they are slowly moving towards mediatek for flagships also.
It used to be that to be flagship you gotta have a qualcomm chip, but now that trend is slowly disappearing. qualcomm no longer has the reputation it used to have.
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So whitch SOC would you choose? Nearly all big manufacturers showed theire Flagships for 2015. We have LG with SD808, HTC with SD810, Xiaomi with SD810, and expecting Sony with SD810, too
There are just a few SOCs at the moment playing in that Class... SD 808, SD810, MT6795 (still waiting for a real life test), Exynos 7420 (own League), Tegra K1 (just for Tablets).
And now it seems that Qualcomm fixed some things with SD810v2 it still is a player in that league. It would have been a big problem for Qualcomm if Mediatek had the MT6795 at the markets a few months ago. But that chance is over.
I hope HTC will go ahead on the MediaTek-Road.
I share your opininion regarding Samsung. Will be interesting if they are willing to share there newest SOCs with other companys. I would just give them my "last year version" and use the "new" just for my products or make it quiet expensive.
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So whitch SOC would you choose? Nearly all big manufacturers showed theire Flagships for 2015. We have LG with SD808, HTC with SD810, Xiaomi with SD810, and expecting Sony with SD810, too
There are just a few SOCs at the moment playing in that Class... SD 808, SD810, MT6795 (still waiting for a real life test), Exynos 7420 (own League), Tegra K1 (just for Tablets).
And now it seems that Qualcomm fixed some things with SD810v2 it still is a player in that league. It would have been a big problem for Qualcomm if Mediatek had the MT6795 at the markets a few months ago. But that chance is over.
I hope HTC will go ahead on the MediaTek-Road.
I share your opininion regarding Samsung. Will be interesting if they are willing to share there newest SOCs with other companys. I would just give them my "last year version" and use the "new" just for my products or make it quiet expensive.
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You seem to be missing an idea. yes, nearly all big OEMs went with qualcomm this year, but do they have a choice? keep in mind that OEMs design their flagship at least 1 year prior to their launch date, so whatever SoC they use, it's chosen long before it's out. Will OEMs be fully aware what potential problems the SoC will have?
don't take sammy's words for real, they were thinking of using Exynos regardless. they just waited for a chance when the SD810's heating issues got widely spread.
this year is already set in stone no matter what happens next, but what will OEMs consider now for 2016? sure qualcomm's next gen SoC seems promising on paper, but hey was there a time that the 810 didn't look promising to you on paper? that is something OEMs consider more carefully than before, since the days of just blindly taking qualcomm for granted is over with the 810. now that doesn't mean there won't be OEMs that will choose qualcomm no matter what anymore, it just means that qualcomm no longer is the only choice when it comes to flagships, and by then how do you know if others still don't have high end SoCs? intel has 14nm finfet with no 20nm interconnects unlike sammy ready to go, with this much power efficiency they can easily crank up their CPUs. mediatek has the helios 10 core thing coming out.
btw, the mi note pro also has overheating issues, the whole rev 2.1 thing is just marketing bs.
Buk-Lau said:
You seem to be missing an idea. yes, nearly all big OEMs went with qualcomm this year, but do they have a choice? keep in mind that OEMs design their flagship at least 1 year prior to their launch date, so whatever SoC they use, it's chosen long before it's out. Will OEMs be fully aware what potential problems the SoC will have?
don't take sammy's words for real, they were thinking of using Exynos regardless. they just waited for a chance when the SD810's heating issues got widely spread.
this year is already set in stone no matter what happens next, but what will OEMs consider now for 2016? sure qualcomm's next gen SoC seems promising on paper, but hey was there a time that the 810 didn't look promising to you on paper? that is something OEMs consider more carefully than before, since the days of just blindly taking qualcomm for granted is over with the 810. now that doesn't mean there won't be OEMs that will choose qualcomm no matter what anymore, it just means that qualcomm no longer is the only choice when it comes to flagships, and by then how do you know if others still don't have high end SoCs? intel has 14nm finfet with no 20nm interconnects unlike sammy ready to go, with this much power efficiency they can easily crank up their CPUs. mediatek has the helios 10 core thing coming out.
btw, the mi note pro also has overheating issues, the whole rev 2.1 thing is just marketing bs.
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According to your statement LG planned one year ahead to use a SD808 and not the SD810 ? Seems a little bit strange in my opinion.
Did they have a choice. I think they had. Trust in MediaTek for example. Talk to Nividia. Talk to Intel.
Will OEM be fully aware of Problems?
No, but who do you trust. A Partner that delivered Cutting-Edge-SoC's for years (and maybe to give you better order conditions to keep you as a partner) or a company that had there first really fully comparebale generation this year (trying everything to get a grip at premium brands)?
It's going to be really interesting what 2016 will bring.
I really would like to see highend devices with SoC from Intel, MediaTek, Samsung AND Qualcomm.
Regarding Mi Note Pro: could you provide any further sources? Read about this but also got first Infos from (how i think trustworthy) resellers that they aren't facing problems during stress tests....