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Check this out guys.
XZ is not only water proof, but also acid proof
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/01/xperia-z-goes-up-against-sulphuric-acid-video/
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Umm wasn't it just for April fools?
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I think that's a joke.
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Check this out guys.
XZ is not only water proof, but also acid proof
http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/01/xperia-z-goes-up-against-sulphuric-acid-video/
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Try it and get back to us
Most likely a joke, just like the google smell april fools prank.
It's also ICE proofed!
So I guess I was fooled
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Absurd behaviour
It is clear that this phone has an awful lot more artificial intelligence than some of its owners.
I think there should be some sort of IQ test before a sale is made, The poor phone deserves wiser ownership than some are capable of offering.
The phone is not, I repeat, not water proof its water resistant with a clear caveat to that definition.
Have any of you seen the You tube clip of some moron dropping a lump hammer on the phone to 'test' the glass. Again the only test needed is not with the poor phone but the sadly mentally challenged owner.
Muhahaha that's so fake. The spoon is made from Gallium so it easily dissolves in warm water
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It is clear that this phone has an awful lot more artificial intelligence than some of its owners.
I think there should be some sort of IQ test before a sale is made, The poor phone deserves wiser ownership than some are capable of offering.
The phone is not, I repeat, not water proof its water resistant with a clear caveat to that definition.
Have any of you seen the You tube clip of some moron dropping a lump hammer on the phone to 'test' the glass. Again the only test needed is not with the poor phone but the sadly mentally challenged owner.
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The instruction says up to 30 min under the water, max 1 meter.
So it's clear.
Acid is all nice and dandy but the most important factor to determine my purchase is...will it blend? lol
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It is clear that this phone has an awful lot more artificial intelligence than some of its owners.
I think there should be some sort of IQ test before a sale is made, The poor phone deserves wiser ownership than some are capable of offering.
The phone is not, I repeat, not water proof its water resistant with a clear caveat to that definition.
Have any of you seen the You tube clip of some moron dropping a lump hammer on the phone to 'test' the glass. Again the only test needed is not with the poor phone but the sadly mentally challenged owner.
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Sorry to correct you mate, but you are dead wrong....
Unless Sony lied in their entire documentation, the IPX ratings are the ones that determine the difference between these two seemingly similar concepts:
Waterproof: Can withstand immersion for at least a limited set of conditions (time/pressure).
Under IPX ratings, anything deemed to have been accepted under IPX5 through 8 is waterproof (it does not need to adhere to all of them since things like 6 is for items meant to get blasted with high pressure fluid streams).
Water Resistant: Cannot withstand the effects of immersion at all without water penetrating through.
IPX1-4 are for water resistance. They will shield you from some incoming water but not all and they certainly cannot be immersed.
Again, these standards are quite rigid and you cannot simply slap them in the packaging without having them properly tested and certified. Sony would not risk getting sued out of existence by pulling a move like marketing a water resistant item as waterproof, particularly if they are stating that the item has been certified under recognized standard international certifications.
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Waterproof: Can withstand immersion for [b said:
at least[/b] a limited set of conditions (time/pressure).
Under IPX ratings, anything deemed to have been accepted under IPX5 through 8 is waterproof (it does not need to adhere to all of them since things like 6 is for items meant to get blasted with high pressure fluid streams).
Water Resistant: Cannot withstand the effects of immersion at all without water penetrating through.
IPX1-4 are for water resistance. They will shield you from some incoming water but not all and they certainly cannot be immersed.
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so my swatch wrist watch which is water resistant to 100m depth cant go in the water or it will be flooded ???
indycar said:
so my swatch wrist watch which is water resistant to 100m depth cant go in the water or it will be flooded ???
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What is the rating on it?
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What is the rating on it?
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Edit: To simply answer your question... If something is waterproof, it automatically falls under the water resistant category. However, being water resistant does not make it water proof. So, your swatch is both water resistant and proof as it is hermetically sealed.
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It is clear that this phone has an awful lot more artificial intelligence than some of its owners.
I think there should be some sort of IQ test before a sale is made, The poor phone deserves wiser ownership than some are capable of offering.
The phone is not, I repeat, not water proof its water resistant with a clear caveat to that definition.
Have any of you seen the You tube clip of some moron dropping a lump hammer on the phone to 'test' the glass. Again the only test needed is not with the poor phone but the sadly mentally challenged owner.
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+10, yep too many people throw water proof around even many review experts, which narks me. Because pretty much everything is water resistant that people mention to be water proof.
(Waterproof) - Impervious to or unaffected by water. (Impervious) - Not allowing something to pass through; not penetrable. Water resistance doesn't fit into these categories.
Same goes shatter proof vs shatter restistant
ditto scratch proof vs scratch resistant.
Huge difference in all cases. will all things resistant, there is a limit to its resistance
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Sorry to correct you mate, but you are dead wrong....
Unless Sony lied in their entire documentation, the IPX ratings are the ones that determine the difference between these two seemingly similar concepts:
Waterproof: Can withstand immersion for at least a limited set of conditions (time/pressure).
Under IPX ratings, anything deemed to have been accepted under IPX5 through 8 is waterproof (it does not need to adhere to all of them since things like 6 is for items meant to get blasted with high pressure fluid streams).
Water Resistant: Cannot withstand the effects of immersion at all without water penetrating through.
IPX1-4 are for water resistance. They will shield you from some incoming water but not all and they certainly cannot be immersed.
Again, these standards are quite rigid and you cannot simply slap them in the packaging without having them properly tested and certified. Sony would not risk getting sued out of existence by pulling a move like marketing a water resistant item as waterproof, particularly if they are stating that the item has been certified under recognized standard international certifications.
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Sorry dude, I have never seen any Sony docs that state it is waterproof, all state water resistance and IPX ratings are water resistance ratings not waterproof. Eg WR Watch is IPX8 rated to the depth specified, again this is not waterproof but water resistant. Based on the fact that it is not Impervious to or unaffected by water, you could argue that it is above the specified rating. But it will be certainly affected once you go beyond this limit.
anything that is below IPX7 will never be classified truely as waterproof, because it has a limit to the time spent in water, therefore not impervious to water, but resistant.
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indycar said:
so my swatch wrist watch which is water resistant to 100m depth cant go in the water or it will be flooded ???
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Maybe, maybe not, but very likely that the seals will give in to the pressure of the water beyond that level.
Pressure is the reason watches have limits to the depth.
And I dissagree again not waterproof, again you will see very few manufacturers claim that their products are Waterproof, because at some point electronics WILL become impervious to water.
The fool wasn't alone in his belief! He even got 2 "Thanks" for that dumb post! Haha ha!
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The fool wasn't alone in his belief! He even got 2 "Thanks" for that dumb post! Haha ha!
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You calling me fool, dumbass.
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egzthunder1 said:
Sorry to correct you mate, but you are dead wrong....
Unless Sony lied in their entire documentation, the IPX ratings are the ones that determine the difference between these two seemingly similar concepts:
Waterproof: Can withstand immersion for at least a limited set of conditions (time/pressure).
Under IPX ratings, anything deemed to have been accepted under IPX5 through 8 is waterproof (it does not need to adhere to all of them since things like 6 is for items meant to get blasted with high pressure fluid streams).
Water Resistant: Cannot withstand the effects of immersion at all without water penetrating through.
IPX1-4 are for water resistance. They will shield you from some incoming water but not all and they certainly cannot be immersed.
Again, these standards are quite rigid and you cannot simply slap them in the packaging without having them properly tested and certified. Sony would not risk getting sued out of existence by pulling a move like marketing a water resistant item as waterproof, particularly if they are stating that the item has been certified under recognized standard international certifications.
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To keep it simple and adult conversation I guess I will just write lets agree to disagree shall we.
Regards.
Haha! lol... late April Fools news post.
This is a difficult post to write.
I fear Sony is going to ride the whirlwind regarding their advertising campaign in relation to this water resistant mobile.
How many of us have read posts and even professional reviews that refer to this mobile as "Water proof", Sony do NOT make this claim BUT the way they advertise the Z is going to cause problems for them in the very near future.
Such campaigns need to be aimed at Mr and Mrs average. By that I mean average customers who don't always think or really understand the true capabilities of this mobile. How many of you, the reader of this very article, have read the blurb that came with the Z? See what I mean?
The phone is designed to withstand what could be referred to as accidental contact with some water. The phone is certainly not, I repeat NOT water proof and the fact Sony shows the mobile being submerged in a glass of still water only make the general public see the phone as water proof. I am not going to bore you with the difference between water resistant and water proof. VERY few things man made are in fact water proof. My fear is some customers will be mislead into thinking they can use the phone while swimming or in a sauna, taking a shower when this is clearly not what Sony wanted to convey. There is a difference in placing the Z in a glass of still water for thirty minutes and placing it in a shower or even moving it around in a bath.
I can again but write the idea is that this phone is to a very small degree water resistant to accidental minor contact with water eg rain or steam in a bathroom, accidental contact should be the key here.
It will not be long before we hear of or read reports of customers being furious with Sony for not replacing their Z when the customer has taken it swimming with them! Already on this very forum there are posters who deliberately have taken their mobile into the shower or the bath to use? I have absolutely no idea why one would desire to do that but do understand human behaviour in trying or testing the phone out.
Sony should have been an awful lot more careful with their advertising. I think it perhaps wiser to have had a person answering the phone in the rain making it clear the phone is, to a given standard, water resistant, rather than immersing the phone deliberately into still water .
Remember still water at a depth of one metre is totally different in water pressure by moving an object through water at even half that depth.
Though I am enjoying the Sony experience I for one will not be 'testing' the mobile by deliberately submerging my phone in water, I see the water resistance characteristics as a plus against small water accidents, rain, and nothing more. To those who expect more PLEASE do study the small print regarding the standards used to asses the mobile and grade it as water resistant. You will be surprised just how non water proof the Z is.
Rather reminds me of the absurd scenarios we saw when Gorilla glass was introduced to mobiles . No end of Youtube clips by mentally challenged individuals dropping them on the floor, hitting them with hammers and even driving over them in cars? Gorilla glass made no such claims.
Must hastily add I am NOT criticising the Z, I like the mobile, I am suggesting Sony may have mistakenly mislead the consumer into thinking the mobile is something it is not. Their error but the consumer may well pay the price?
I hope you are enjoying the Z as much as I am.
Kind regards.
I don't think it will be their fault. They state very clearly in their documents, webpage and their product brochures that the Xperia Z is IP55/57, which even a cursory Google search will show that it will either withstand, water-wise:
IPX5 - Water jets
Water projected by a nozzle (6.3 mm) against enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects.
Test duration: at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 12.5 litres per minute
Pressure: 30 kPa at distance of 3 m
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IPX7 - Immersion up to 1 m
Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion).
Test duration: 30 minutes
Immersion at depth of at least 1 m measured at bottom of device, and at least 15 cm measured at top of device
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I think you're mistaken over what the water resistance means. First, I don't really see how the classifications above are warranted as "accidental contact", given the test durations. You can drop your phone in the toilet bowl and it will be perfectly fine, water-wise. Using it in a shower or bath will not cause any problems either, since it conforms to IPX5/7. Immersing your phone deliberately into still water is perfectly fine, as per IPX7. I don't think any reasonable consumer will buy the device without even wondering what IP55/57 is, yet you're wondering yourself without checking what IPX5/7 really means at all. Perhaps *you* should study what the water resistance means.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code, and http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/06/ARG/bisenius.htm
Sony advertised the Z with live models in a shower using the Z. Sony only warned against salty water. As long you close the ports and don't exceed the 30 mins, you'll be fine in the shower or the swimming pool.
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I don't think it will be their fault. They state very clearly in their documents, webpage and their product brochures that the Xperia Z is IP55/57, which even a cursory Google search will show that it will either withstand, water-wise:
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I think you're mistaken over what the water resistance means. First, I don't really see how the classifications above are warranted as "accidental contact", given the test durations. You can drop your phone in the toilet bowl and it will be perfectly fine, water-wise. Using it in a shower or bath will not cause any problems either, since it conforms to IPX5/7. Immersing your phone deliberately into still water is perfectly fine, as per IPX7. I don't think any reasonable consumer will buy the device without even wondering what IP55/57 is, yet you're wondering yourself without checking what IPX5/7 really means at all. Perhaps *you* should study what the water resistance means.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code, and http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/06/ARG/bisenius.htm
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply.
I am well aware of what constitutes water resistance and the codification system used by Sony on this occasion. My post was one aimed at prevention and not to criticise the reader or the Xperia Z.
As you can see the post below yours is by a member here who mentions it is fine to swim with this mobile? I am not going to bore you with the dangers of taking this phone swimming, I merely wished to help and support, perhaps even prevent, some owners from causing themselves difficulties.
I am pleased you have read the small print and studied the mobiles realistic water resistance policy. Perhaps this small debate may encourage others to do the same.:good:
Again many thanks for the reply,
Kind regards.
How about go and acro S? Are they water proof, or also water resistant?
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As you can see the post below yours is by a member here who mentions it is fine to swim with this mobile?.
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I hope you don't take my post as rude or anything - and it is not directed to you.
Sony provides all the specification you need. There's even a cossed-out picture of a swimming man with a phone in his hand on the first page of instructions manual... they clearly say what the phone will resist and what it won't resist. What you can do with it, or where you can take it. Basically, if you open your manual it says:
It CAN be submerged to 1m for 30 minutes
It WILL survive low pressure splashes of water
NO salt water, sea water etc as it might damage the covers
Covers MUST be closed firmly for anything above to apply
What's more to ask ? It basically covers it all...
And no, it's not resistant to "accidental" contact with water. You can actually submerge the phone, take a shower with it ( done it few times ) or leave it in the aquarium for 30 minutes. As long as you closed the covers, didn't exceed 30 minutes or 1 meter requirement, and didn't splash it with high-pressure - your phone will not die, that's what IP certificate guarantees. You can't swim with it in the pool because of the chlorine - as Sony clearly said, salt or any chemicals in the water might break the rubber seals.
What i'm trying to say is: if somebody is too lazy to take a look at the manual, read the IP specifications etc. I don't think Sony should actually care about that. You can't "baby-proof" everything. Read, learn, understand - don't "just assume".
Good thread though, if it'll make people read and learn - i'm all thumbs up
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I hope you don't take my post as rude or anything - and it is not directed to you.
Sony provides all the specification you need. There's even a cossed-out picture of a swimming man with a phone in his hand on the first page of instructions manual... they clearly say what the phone will resist and what it won't resist. What you can do with it, or where you can take it. Basically, if you open your manual it says:
It CAN be submerged to 1m for 30 minutes
It WILL survive low pressure splashes of water
NO salt water, sea water etc as it might damage the covers
Covers MUST be closed firmly for anything above to apply
What's more to ask ? It basically covers it all...
And no, it's not resistant to "accidental" contact with water. You can actually submerge the phone, take a shower with it ( done it few times ) or leave it in the aquarium for 30 minutes. As long as you closed the covers, didn't exceed 30 minutes or 1 meter requirement, and didn't splash it with high-pressure - your phone will not die, that's what IP certificate guarantees. You can't swim with it in the pool because of the chlorine - as Sony clearly said, salt or any chemicals in the water might break the rubber seals.
What i'm trying to say is: if somebody is too lazy to take a look at the manual, read the IP specifications etc. I don't think Sony should actually care about that. You can't "baby-proof" everything. Read, learn, understand - don't "just assume".
Good thread though, if it'll make people read and learn - i'm all thumbs up
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply. We are indeed on the same page.
I really don't want my initial post to be taken out of context. I am not criticising the Z, I own one. I am suggesting Sony may well have shot themselves in the foot regarding their publicity. Not every purchaser of this mobile will understand the intention of Sony manufacturing a water resistant phone. I dislike them even using the term water resistant as it is such a highly subjective term.
Water proof is less subjective. Water proof means what it says water will not enter. I can't think of a man made device that is water proof. I am not saying they don't exist I am merely saying I don't know of any.
Back to water resistance. May I take a liberty and side track this thread? I mean no confrontation by doing so. Take a look at the following.
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"Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet):[5]
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 ATM or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. NOT suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkelling, water related work and fishing. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 ATM or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkelling water related work, and fishing. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 ATM or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkelling, sailing and water sports. NOT suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 ATM or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths NOT suitable for saturation diving. Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths NOT suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER’S WATCH L M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out.
Manufacturers water resistance classifications are interpretations and are not part of any ISO standard definition."
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In terms of a wrist watch this means a watch rated at 30M! is NOT suitable to even use in the shower? Take a look at the above attachment to see what an awful situation customers are in when we purchase a wrist watch. To me water resistant to 1ATM means just that, water will not enter said watch unless I take the watch below that depth...No no, not at all in terms of our wrist watches it means nothing of the sort. In fact a watch suitable for swimming has to have a rating of 50M that's over 160 feet! In real terms I have no idea how the watch industry gets away with their water resistant ratings. I will go further. Even within the industry different brands use different criteria!
Back to the Xperia Z. Still water has totally different properties to moving water. Pressure changes in accordance with not only depth but movement or flow of water across the device surfaces.
Now lets take the scenario of John Doe who thinks his Z is water proof and takes it swimming, water gets in, can you imagine the potential problems we would have as customers trying to convince the local Sony dealer we didn't take it sub aqua diving?
Now IF Sony had used a different advertising approach and shown a person using the Z in the rain or some such accidental situation we would have understood a lot better the phones realistic capabilities. The phone is not supposed to be used in water I suggest what Sony where trying to do was show this mobile can take an accidental spill or wet hands will not damage it nor perhaps the accidental dropping of it into the bath tub?
Hey. My objective has been achieved. I have started a debate and if that debate prevents a customer from making a genuine mistake I would be most satisfied. I wished I had known the watch criteria before I ruined a 10,000euro watch 20 years ago IN the shower!:crying:
I get you. Watches are a completely different thing - most of them are advertised as "water resistant" or "water proof" to XXATM - but there's always a small little detail - most of them are NOT IP certified.
IP "Ingress Protection" certificate states the device has been tested to resist water's ingress up to certified conditions ( which in case of XZ are 1m of depth, 30 minutes of duration and low pressure ). I had some water resistant watches as well - one of them died - but none of them had the IP certificate, all this ATM water resistance rubbish was just empty advertising used by the manufacturer
But where did you see Sony advertising Xperia Z for swimming ? I only remember them showing you can pour water onto it to clean the dust and use it in the rain.
There was a case of shower use advertisement, but remember that it was T-Mobile who organised that, not Sony. I really don't know if Sony has ever advertised or recommended the use of XZ on the pool/while swimming.
PS. Sorry about your watch
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How about go and acro S? Are they water proof, or also water resistant?
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Thank you for the question.
I am afraid I can't give you an answer?:silly: I know there are certain industrial mobile phones that are rated with a water resistance of say 10M. They are not generally available to the public though. I also cant think to what end such a phone would be used? Certainly not for diving etc
I don't know of any such device that would claim to be "water proof". Water proof means water proof under all conditions and circumstances. Not even the most advanced deep sea search submersible make such a claim. A mobile phone? Why would one need such a mobile? I cant think how it would be useable nor functional.
I am not qualified to help you really with your valid question. Maybe another poster could give you a knowledge based qualified answer?
Kind regards.
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I get you. Watches are a completely different thing - most of them are advertised as "water resistant" or "water proof" to XXATM - but there's always a small little detail - most of them are NOT IP certified.
IP "Ingress Protection" certificate states the device has been tested to resist water's ingress up to certified conditions ( which in case of XZ are 1m of depth, 30 minutes of duration and low pressure ). I had some water resistant watches as well - one of them died - but none of them had the IP certificate, all this ATM water resistance rubbish was just empty advertising used by the manufacturer
But where did you see Sony advertising Xperia Z for swimming ? I only remember them showing you can pour water onto it to clean the dust and use it in the rain.
There was a case of shower use advertisement, but remember that it was T-Mobile who organised that, not Sony. I really don't know if Sony has ever advertised or recommended the use of XZ on the pool/while swimming.
PS. Sorry about your watch
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Hiya,
Thank you for your commiserations regarding my watch. it was indeed a steep and expensive learning lesson-curve
I have NOT seen Sony advertise the use of the XZ for swimming. I have mentioned swimming in response to other posters comments only.
I have managed to write in one line what I am trying to convey. Sony has produced a mobile that is not adverse to accidental water contact but it is not an industrial phone specifically designed to come into contact with water? I guess domestic use V commercial use?
The adverts I have seen have been of the XZ sitting in a small bowl of water. With respect to us all I still think this will pass the wrong message to some users and that may prove expensive. I guess only time will tell.
Kind regards.
I don't think it passes the wrong message at all. Right from launch, the XZ has clearly been advertised and marketed as IP57 resistant - and in every review I recall seeing, IP57 has been clearly explained. I'm even fairly sure it was explained on the display case in the local Carphone Warehouse too.
You say you don't know any man made product that is waterproof. How about a submarine?
That's one of the main reasons this phone only has the IP57 rating - to acheive the next level of water resistance (IP58) it must be able to withstand 'long term immersion to a specified pressure'. I would imagine someone fairly high up at Sony decided that it wouldn't be worth the extra time and effort to pressure test it for 24 hours at 100m, for example.
I've seen lots of videos already of people using the XZ video camera under water while swimming, and it works perfectly.
No doubt someone with more money than sense will decide to see just how deep it can be taken, and for how long. It won't be me though. I'm quite happy knowing I can safely use it with wet hands and if it's dirty, wipe it clean in the washing up bowl!
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I don't think it passes the wrong message at all. Right from launch, the XZ has clearly been advertised and marketed as IP57 resistant - and in every review I recall seeing, IP57 has been clearly explained. I'm even fairly sure it was explained on the display case in the local Carphone Warehouse too.
You say you don't know any man made product that is waterproof. How about a submarine?
That's one of the main reasons this phone only has the IP57 rating - to acheive the next level of water resistance (IP58) it must be able to withstand 'long term immersion to a specified pressure'. I would imagine someone fairly high up at Sony decided that it wouldn't be worth the extra time and effort to pressure test it for 24 hours at 100m, for example.
I've seen lots of videos already of people using the XZ video camera under water while swimming, and it works perfectly.
No doubt someone with more money than sense will decide to see just how deep it can be taken, and for how long. It won't be me though. I'm quite happy knowing I can safely use it with wet hands and if it's dirty, wipe it clean in the washing up bowl!
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Your final paragraph describes my sentiments exactly.
Unfortunately your reference to submarines being "water proof" is incorrect. A submarine is water resistant to a given depth depending on the hull design etc. Take any known submarine past its water resistant depth and it WILL implode like an eggshell. This is a classic example of water proof verses water resistant. They are not one and the same.
My other point regarding your kind reply would be to mention that you, being of sound mind and body, understand and accept the limitations of the XZ. You are not going to test the glass with a lump hammer as shown on Youtube nor test to see just how far one could take the mobile under water until the inevitable occurred, you also understand the IP system of test measurements and codes. So many of the public will not even read the literature given with the phone. Unfortunately manufacturers simply have to explain in the simplest of languages exactly what a given device can and cannot do to protect their customers and themselves
Just one other point to mention. With regard water resistant it must also be understood that water temperature will also play a large part in the equation. The body of the XZ is not excluded from temperature change. Come to mention it there are so many variable and parameters when debating this its the main reason I started this post. With all the respect I have for Sony and admiration for the XZ I do think its campaign of advertising the XZ as water resistant may back fire on Sony. It will be interesting to read the various forums over the coming months just to see who does what to 'test' their phone. We can bet there will be some dandies!
Thanks for the reply,
My best to you and yours.
IP-55 and IP-57 are well described in the IP Code Breakdown. You can shower with it, submerge it in upto 1m of water for 30 minutes (perhaps more but that's not guaranteed) and it protects against dust ingress but is not dust tight. That's it and that's what Sony markets. People who do not read the manual on this deserve a dead phone to be absolutely honest with you.
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Even diving watches are water resistant not water proof
My watch clearly says WR200 so water resistant to 200 meters
So there will NEVER be a water proof phone!
The main thing is most water damage to phones is accidental. ie dropping it in the toilet. Taking it in the bathroom. Getting caught in the rain
For most people they can go about normal life and not worry about this type of accidental damage
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searley said:
Even diving watches are water resistant not water proof
My watch clearly says WR200 so water resistant to 200 meters
So there will NEVER be a water proof phone!
The main thing is most water damage to phones is accidental. ie dropping it in the toilet. Taking it in the bathroom. Getting caught in the rain
For most people they can go about normal life and not worry about this type of accidental damage
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Hiya,
I sincerely don't wish to upset you. If you read my post #7 you will see the watch you think can be taken to depths of 200m in fact cannot.
I know, don't tell me about it. Its a scandal and another one of those best kept secrets until you find your beloved watch has water inside it and the manufacturer tells you its your own fault. Don't set me off The watch you own is suitable for skin diving not sub aqua diving!
Back on topic, I agree entirely with your post. "For most people they can go about normal life and not worry about this type of accidental damage"
Bingo and Amen to that.
Regards.
Who gives a bloody crap. A glass is water proof unless you break it. This phone is water proof until it's not.
Why get hung up over nonsense. I've had my phone is all sorts of crap and it's still going and it's still water resistant or water proof so who gives a damn.
I'd risk the phone in the sea too as I very much doubt a quick dunk in sea water will do any damage to it but if it did who cares, I didn't follow the instructions in the manual which everyone can read.
Something is water proof until it's not. Resistant means it survives water getting in or resists it, proof means water doesn't get in or hurt it, at least in my eyes, it's the same blooming thing.
Close down this stupid thread.
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Who gives a bloody crap. A glass is water proof unless you break it. This phone is water proof until it's not.
Why get hung up over nonsense. I've had my phone is all sorts of crap and it's still going and it's still water resistant or water proof so who gives a damn.
I'd risk the phone in the sea too as I very much doubt a quick dunk in sea water will do any damage to it but if it did who cares, I didn't follow the instructions in the manual which everyone can read.
Something is water proof until it's not. Resistant means it survives water getting in or resists it, proof means water doesn't get in or hurt it, at least in my eyes, it's the same blooming thing.
Close down this stupid thread.
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You appear to be ending this thread with the same ignorance you began it. Congratulations to you Sir .:good: Your attitude speaks volumes...I am pleased to write that most people will respect their phone and DO care about it. If you look after your tools they will look after you. It is EXACTLY your gung-ho attitude that prompted me to write this short article in the first place.
Not that you care but as a BTW sea water will damage the mobile as will the chemicals used in a swimming pool.
Wise up and respect your phone. What truly peeves me with people like you is not only don't you deserve to own such a nice device BUT when you damage it you will shout the loudest from the roof tops what a crap mobile it is.....
If you dislike the thread avoid it. It was written with genuine concern for genuine owners and has produced some decent debate, that is what a forum is for.
Behave yourself :fingers-crossed:
I'm not afraid of it being water damaged, as if it happens I will just go back and buy a new one (with a different colour to mix it up:laugh.
I have tested it in the sink, submerged it several times, used it in the shower etc.
If it had failed very early on, I would maybe second-guess another purchase of the same phone again.
Make no mistake though, my 5 inch lump sleeps on feathers and does not get tossed around at all.
Not a dust particle nor scratch on it
People who have to open their pockets very wide to obtain one will most likely be a bit more cautious about water exposure.
The outright lazy ones who don't want to involve themselves and just thinks that everybody else should "take care of it" (you know the type)
are always the loudest crybaby.
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Who gives a bloody crap. A glass is water proof unless you break it. This phone is water proof until it's not.
Why get hung up over nonsense. I've had my phone is all sorts of crap and it's still going and it's still water resistant or water proof so who gives a damn.
I'd risk the phone in the sea too as I very much doubt a quick dunk in sea water will do any damage to it but if it did who cares, I didn't follow the instructions in the manual which everyone can read.
Something is water proof until it's not. Resistant means it survives water getting in or resists it, proof means water doesn't get in or hurt it, at least in my eyes, it's the same blooming thing.
Close down this stupid thread.
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I strongly suggest that you take your attitude down a few notches... This thread has more purpose and reason at being in the General area than about half of the other ones currently open. It is a discussion about the device's hardware.
As for the OP's post, his point, which I believe was widely missed by many people who have replied here, was that the way in which the phone is marketed to people will lead them to think that the phone is "indestructible" of sorts. The intent of this is not to raise the flag on Sony having advertised the phone as such, but rather to try and raise awareness on those who took the message in a way not intended and now think that they are holding a bullet proof 5 inch shield, which is impervious to everything. Don't believe me? Just look at this video (around time marker 5:23)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crgzS4F_nZA
The Sony employee himself throwing the device to the floor... did anyone mention the fact that the device has mechanical impact resistance level 0? (aka it does not protect against mechanical impacts).
I digress, the point of this thread (I think) is not to blame Sony per se or even to discuss the various parameters that revolve around water resistance. It is about being aware about the fact that taking the device for a swim is likely not a good idea and that the "rugged" features of the phone are for the "oh crap!" type of situations...
jm2c
Edit: To illustrate the above...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2226481
Edit2: The chemical/salt water attacks are bad for the seals. Salt water is not magically going to permeate through the screen. The little rubber things in the caps will get corroded right away with salt (unless, of course they are thoroughly cleaned immediately). This is why swimming in the ocean is not recommended. More than likely Chlorine will have a similar (and much faster) effect of these seals (depending on what elastomer is used for the seals (it might be a polyacrylate or FEPM based on poor sea water compatibility)
I haven't seen any product ever stated as "water-proof", even watches. Ones rated for 200m depths still say "water-resistant" up to 200m (from what I have seen). Consumer laws are pretty tight in Australia so maybe marketing terms have to be adjusted though.
I haven't once seen Sony use anything but water resistant to describe it. Nor have they shown footage exaggerating or misleading it's water resistance.
If people are too stupid to distinguish the difference between the terms for them selves, and use a little common sense, then perhaps they shouldn't have a "smart" phone
Regarding the swimming thing, a telco here put out a video of their rep "falling" into a pool and demonstrated that the phone will be ok. Then went on to use the phone proving that yes it was fine. So if you accidentally jumped in with it would it be fine? Most likely. Should you deliberately do swimming with it? Absolutely not. Most pools are well over 1m depth so straight off the bat it shouldn't be in there
I know there has been some discussion in this forum about just how waterproof the Z3 is exactly and how far you can push it, so I wanted to share my experience from the past week. On day two of a six day trip to St. John, USVI my GoPro developed a nice crack in its housing. Seeing as there is no Amazon Prime in St. John and certainly no Best Buy, the GoPro was effectively out-of-action. Wanting to still capture pictures of our trip I decided to put Sony's marketing to the test and it live up to it. I took it snorkeling on three different occasions, for upwards of an hour. The attached photos were taken at depths of 5-10 feet and I had the camera submerged at times for longer than hour in saltwater. The only hang-up was taking video. Since you can only use the hardware button to take pictures, I had to surface to start and stop any videos. Not a big deal, just a warning.
My only caveat is...make sure you rinse out your headphone jack. Though it is waterproof, I noticed what looked like some light corrosion after my first day (makes sense, salt water and all). From then on I made sure to rinse it down with some fresh water from a water bottle as soon as I got out of the water. No problems since.
Hope this gives everyone enough confidence to start taking their phone in the shower!
Let me know if you have any questions!
Very cool pics man, thabks for sharig your experience, im still scared to even wash my phone under the sink lol
that is amazing! you should share those pics with Sony Mobile, I'm sure they will publish it and give you some credit. Not sure how many people have done that yet!
Nice photos.
From what Sony says avoid salt water. Despite their advertising showing oceanic photos, here is their warning:
"...we wouldn't recommend using your smartphone, tablet or accessory during a sandstorm or in a hot shower. Never immerse your device in salt water or let the micro USB port, headset jack or other uncovered parts come into contact with salt water. If you're washing dishes by hand, avoid letting your device come into contact with the detergent or any other liquid chemicals."
"Should the phone be submerged in salt water it would need to be washed off in fresh water and if on warranty inspection it was evident that the seals had been damaged by salt/chlorine, warranty would be void."
This guy had it die on him in a pool:
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2014/10/15/4107561.htm
Nice pics! I'm definitely not scared to get mine wet anymore.
Sent from my Z3
Yeah, I was a little hesitant at first. Lots of quick dunks to see how it went but my confidence grew after the first few attempts went without issue. I had my Nexus 5 with me as a backup, so I figured...worst case scenario I had a backup phone.
I'm not surprised Sony doesn't recommend saltwater. Saltwater basically destroys everything it touches. Having said that, provided that you have all the ports sealed up, saltwater really shouldn't be getting in (besides the headphone jack). Makes me wonder if Sony has some water resistant coating applied to some of the internal components as a failsafe (would be effective against freshwater, but not saltwater).
Either way, I'm now 4 days after my last submersion and am experiencing no issues, so I am pretty pleased with this phone.
Very brave indeed, great pics.
Sony is a joke with it's water resistance comments, because... Hey here is our new waterproof (no it's not) (it's water resistant Sony) that you can't use in any water except a fresh water steam or lake.
Because lets face it, almost all pools contain chlorine, and almost all water around the home contains chlorine, leaving us...???
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since we know for sure that your phone is waterproof, could you please do the following test: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-test-waterproofing-water-t2897886
There is a theory that the Z3 has a valve/membrane to adjust for changes in air pressure which makes the pressure go down in that test.
thanks
Finally, I can take my Z3 to sea. Thanks for those picture!
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danw_oz said:
Very brave indeed, great pics.
Sony is a joke with it's water resistance comments, because... Hey here is our new waterproof (no it's not) (it's water resistant Sony) that you can't use in any water except a fresh water steam or lake.
Because lets face it, almost all pools contain chlorine, and almost all water around the home contains chlorine, leaving us...???
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Just take some time and read about ip65 and ip68, sony says that you can take ur z3 to swimming pool which contains chlorine, but you have to clean it witch fresh water after this.
With salt water this is impossible, because, salt makes corride everything that it touches.
Greets, sorry for bad english
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This guy had it die on him in a pool:
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2014/10/15/4107561.htm
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To be fair, it was a saltwater pool.
Bäcker said:
since we know for sure that your phone is waterproof, could you please do the following test: http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/general/guide-test-waterproofing-water-t2897886
There is a theory that the Z3 has a valve/membrane to adjust for changes in air pressure which makes the pressure go down in that test.
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I actually had read that thread beforehand and downloaded the "Sensor Sense" app which has a barometric pressure reader on it. Sure enough, if I open the MicroUSB port and apply pressure I get no movement on the pressure reading. When closed, the pressure spikes and then tends to even out.
I also ran the app and dunked it under water while running. The reading accurately changed to reflect the water pressure.
In short, I think that test works
Been watching Top Gear in the shower since I got the phone. Scared the **** out of this waiter the other day it was hilarious. He was pouring water in my cup while holding some other plates and he tried to balance out and spilled just a little bit of water on my phone. I pretended to freak out for a second then was like dude... its waterproof all is forgiven. O and I need to set something straight. Water resistant = cant be fully submerged, so the Z3 would definitely be water proof. Honestly best use I have found for this phone so far being water proof is texting/using maps in the rain.
Krustnesis said:
Just take some time and read about ip65 and ip68, sony says that you can take ur z3 to swimming pool which contains chlorine, but you have to clean it witch fresh water after this.
With salt water this is impossible, because, salt makes corride everything that it touches.
Greets, sorry for bad english
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Try reading what I wrote with your bad English, what fresh water are you going to use? tap water also contains chlorine, maybe fresh water from your rain water tank? My comments are highlighting Sony's confusing and conflicting information.
And my pool contains salt and chlorine
So if u have THAT much chlorine in ur fresh water then please forgive me. FRESH WATER means WATER FROM THE TAP. Concentration of chlorine in tap water is infinitesimal.
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So if u have THAT much chlorine in ur fresh water then please forgive me. FRESH WATER means WATER FROM THE TAP. Concentration of chlorine in tap water is infinitesimal.
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My pool does not have much chlorine either, so it is all relative. Same for drinking water, they all have sanitiser in it, unless you have to filter it. And Sony have stated that if they see that salt or chlorine have eaten away at the seals then no warranty, what they haven't offered anyone is what is a safe level of chlorine in the water not to damage the seals.
Despite the deceptive oceanic adverts by Sony, I never really intended to splash this phone. I see water proofing as a plus against accidental spills etc.
I always use soap and water under the tap to clean my Z3 every few days when it gets dirty/fingerprints/etc.
Most people are too chicken with the phone that's actually officially rated waterproof. My year old Z1 been through lakes and pools and I didn't even bother wash it after chlorine water and it still looks like new. I do agree that you have to rinse after salt water.
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. The only hang-up was taking video. Since you can only use the hardware button to take pictures, I had to surface to start and stop any videos. Not a big deal, just a warning.
Let me know if you have any questions!
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To use the camera underwater you have to enable "Touch Screen Lock" in the camera settings. Then use the physical camera button to snap pictures and the volume rocker to shoot video.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/How-...with-the-Sony-Xperia-Z3-or-Z3-Compact_id61505
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Well yes. Samsung said "water resistant", not "water proof", which means it's supposed to resist against water under certain conditions (up to 1.5m for 30mins), not function under it. The capacitive screen and capacitive buttons work with anything that holds an electrical charge, including pool water because it contains ions in it, so that's why they were being pressed.
But indeed, you are right with about not intentionally doing anything out of the ordinary, trying to test the water resistance. It is more of a safety feature, and Samsung is mistaking by advertising otherwise (they don't always do this).
I tried it several times - dived under water and take pictures with it or videos and everything is working just fine. But as I am reading more and more things about non water proof s7 edge I am starting to think that next time I better wont take my phone under water.
You don't understand physics,don't you? You can submerge the phone in shallow water - let's say it drops in your cereal bowl.
But if you take it to the pool and swim with it this is what gonna happen - you swim - therefore you move - the water "hits" your phone with a certain pressure,depending on your swimming speed.
So if you put your phone in a bowl with water and MOVE the phone very fast the water pressure on the ports will be like it's submerged under 10 feet of water
You get it? It's for accidents,its not the bext Go Pro Pool Edition.
I am really curious,if you buy a hatchet,do you try to cut your fingers with it to see if it works?
People will come here to inform themselves about the phone,maybe they want to buy it.
What they see? A post about a faulty phone - guess what - samsung never said about WATERPROOF - its WATERRESISTANT. Stop spreading these false informations.
I swum with the edge several times and never had a problem with it. I took some beautiful pictures under water. My experience is no guarantee for everybody
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Mehigh101 said:
You don't understand physics,don't you? You can submerge the phone in shallow water - let's say it drops in your cereal bowl.
But if you take it to the pool and swim with it this is what gonna happen - you swim - therefore you move - the water "hits" your phone with a certain pressure,depending on your swimming speed.
So if you put your phone in a bowl with water and MOVE the phone very fast the water pressure on the ports will be like it's submerged under 10 feet of water
You get it? It's for accidents,its not the bext Go Pro Pool Edition.
I am really curious,if you buy a hatchet,do you try to cut your fingers with it to see if it works?
People will come here to inform themselves about the phone,maybe they want to buy it.
What they see? A post about a faulty phone - guess what - samsung never said about WATERPROOF - its WATERRESISTANT. Stop spreading these false informations.
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I didnt swim, I submerged it underwater for 4 seconds. Not more than that. it wasnt deep. just under the surface,
I didnt stop people from buying it, its the best samsung phone i have ever owned. I just wanted to caution them to not try submerging it without any reason, just to be safe. i dont think i said it will be the same for everybody. I shared my scary experience. thats all?
Mehigh101 said:
You don't understand physics,don't you? You can submerge the phone in shallow water - let's say it drops in your cereal bowl.
But if you take it to the pool and swim with it this is what gonna happen - you swim - therefore you move - the water "hits" your phone with a certain pressure,depending on your swimming speed.
So if you put your phone in a bowl with water and MOVE the phone very fast the water pressure on the ports will be like it's submerged under 10 feet of water
You get it? It's for accidents,its not the bext Go Pro Pool Edition.
I am really curious,if you buy a hatchet,do you try to cut your fingers with it to see if it works?
People will come here to inform themselves about the phone,maybe they want to buy it.
What they see? A post about a faulty phone - guess what - samsung never said about WATERPROOF - its WATERRESISTANT. Stop spreading these false informations.
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Calm down and dont say crap that doesnt interest anyone. thx
marahlad said:
I am starting to think that next time I better wont take my phone under water.
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You should have had this brilliant thought from the beginning. This feature is just meant to save your phone and money in an unfortunate situation.
Cst79 said:
You should have had this brilliant thought from the beginning. This feature is just meant to save your phone and money in an unfortunate situation.
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I dont want to know your opinion about how am I using MY phone. I am just sharing my experiences about this topic.
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You should have had this brilliant thought from the beginning. This feature is just meant to save your phone and money in an unfortunate situation.
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Really?
Samsung doesn't really portray it is such in their advertisements!
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=Q_8AYvFrLO0
It's all very well being judgemental, but when Samsung put out adverts like this you'd have a put the blame on Samsung for actively encouraging people to dunk their phones!
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Calm down and dont say crap that doesnt interest anyone. thx
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Well, it's not crap, it's educational, which you seem to be allergic to, hence your weird reaction. Secondly, I find it pretty interesting so your last statement is wrong, thus I'm gonna have to ask you to stop talking on behalf of other people. You certainly don't know sh*t about anyone around here. Summary: The only one talking crap here would be you.
It wasn't meant to be used underwater. It's kinda like a safety feature if you accidentally dropped it in water and quickly react to taking it out. Pretty sure pool water has various salts so that kinda factors in too.
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gessus wessus... doesn't matter what word or definition is used, the s7 phone has good gaskets and can exceed the ipx ratings stated which is total submersion for the defined period of time.
The next time you spend a weeks wage on a water resistant phone, briefly inspect the ports and make sure they are sealed and put the phone underwater for the stated amount of time and if it breaks get a refund because it's defective, if it works, then you're good to go.
mine has survived the pool and the beach many times ( I spray water repellent on it for salt water use, the non electrical conducting lubricants, before and after, e.g inox marine, wd40 isn't as good but cheaper and comes in a tiny pen style dispenser).
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Really?
Samsung doesn't really portray it is such in their advertisements!
https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=Q_8AYvFrLO0
It's all very well being judgemental, but when Samsung put out adverts like this you'd have a put the blame on Samsung for actively encouraging people to dunk their phones!
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Dave
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Its champagne resistant...
There are also many ways to damaged or destroy the seals in the s7 edge.
Like salt water, water with chlor, bending the phone in tight jeans....
I can vouch for the high quality water resistance. Even with the S5 I had 3 good years of using it as a snorkeling camera, shower radio and regularly washing it under the tap to freshen it up. It became a hand me down to my little cousin as soon as the S7 was released. I now do the same with my S7 all the time, it's even more water resistant than the S5 and it was advertised as an underwater camera. It works flawlessly. I even rinse it off to cool it down after long sessions of VR. It drops from 35 degrees Celsius to 25 in 5 seconds. Stop being so paranoid. The phone is really as water resistant as it claims to be. The only reason why it's not "water proof" is because there is no industrial standard by which you can call something water proof.
Well a friend of mine left his S7E in a hottub at 80c and 1.5m underwater for anhour phone still works just fine.
+1 Well said. LOL!!!
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Well, it's not crap, it's educational, which you seem to be allergic to, hence your weird reaction. Secondly, I find it pretty interesting so your last statement is wrong, thus I'm gonna have to ask you to stop talking on behalf of other people. You certainly don't know sh*t about anyone around here. Summary: The only one talking crap here would be you.
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Well yes. Samsung said "water resistant", not "water proof", which means it's supposed to resist against water under certain conditions (up to 1.5m for 30mins), not function under it. The capacitive screen and capacitive buttons work with anything that holds an electrical charge, including pool water because it contains ions in it, so that's why they were being pressed.
But indeed, you are right with about not intentionally doing anything out of the ordinary, trying to test the water resistance. It is more of a safety feature, and Samsung is mistaking by advertising otherwise (they don't always do this).
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Sooo, I did test the phone half submerged in a gently flowing river and I can tell you that it isn't waterproof under that condition. Condensation under the camera lens showed up within 1/2 an hour. Screen started going purple within hours. Take this as an example of a real world test.
ok, how about using it under the rain? i wouldn't dip it in pool water but anyone tried using it in the rain?
hi, dear all
I want to ask a simple but important question, does any one ever put Samsung S8 into water for over one hour test?
how about its waterproof function?
Samsung STATES that the phone is water resistant not water proof. The phone it self can be used under water but for 15 minutes and 1 and a half meter depth. I wouldn't use it underwater for more than 5 minutes. I mean consider yourself underwater for more than 5 minutes holding your phone. Its kind of impossible and if you actually do it you go against Samsung's guideline. Don't risk your phone for silly videos. Not worth it
not for this long because I dont need to test this myself - enough youtube vids for that
every now and then I put it under water or rinse under the water tap to clean my device - no problem so far
FloM94 said:
not for this long because I dont need to test this myself - enough youtube vids for that
every now and then I put it under water or rinse under the water tap to clean my device - no problem so far
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There's always the small chance of water getting through especially as you use the device over few months with some deterioration. Just check your sim tray seal and make sure it's all good. And remember water damage isn't covered under warranty. Enjoy it anyway you like.
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I would not put it under water under any circustance.
Jesus lol why would you do this. It is there in case of an accident, not to try and dunk for something to do. I guess maybe if you have lots of money and don't care about having to buy another one.
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Samsung STATES that the phone is water resistant not water proof. The phone it self can be used under water but for 15 minutes and 1 and a half meter depth. I wouldn't use it underwater for more than 5 minutes. I mean consider yourself underwater for more than 5 minutes holding your phone. Its kind of impossible and if you actually do it you go against Samsung's guideline. Don't risk your phone for silly videos. Not worth it
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so it means if i drop it into water, i pick it up wihin 15 minutes, then it will not harm to my phone, right?
FloM94 said:
not for this long because I dont need to test this myself - enough youtube vids for that
every now and then I put it under water or rinse under the water tap to clean my device - no problem so far
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haha, it sounds like washing clothes, i just worry when i take photo on a river or sea, if it is drop into water, i hope i took it up and no problem at all
crixley said:
Jesus lol why would you do this. It is there in case of an accident, not to try and dunk for something to do. I guess maybe if you have lots of money and don't care about having to buy another one.
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oh, no no no, just because i think it is too expensive, so i will imagine if bad things happen, how will it be terrible
bushako said:
There's always the small chance of water getting through especially as you use the device over few months with some deterioration. Just check your sim tray seal and make sure it's all good. And remember water damage isn't covered under warranty. Enjoy it anyway you like.
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you mean if i drop my phone not on purpose, the seller will not give warranty?
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so it means if i drop it into water, i pick it up wihin 15 minutes, then it will not harm to my phone, right?
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I personally used it even at the beach. No harm done. Have it in mind that the 1.5m is pressure related so pressure is the main issue here not depth itself. So be careful on how you position your phone in the water and by all means don't apply in unnecessary pressure on the phone like diving and holding your phone or throwing the phone in the water from a height etc. Its all about usage.
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you mean if i drop my phone not on purpose, the seller will not give warranty?
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Just remember that the phone was tested and certified for 1.5M at 30minutes under a very controlled environment. When you take it out and about in a pool or beach or under a faucet there's many factors that could lead to water entering into sensitive components. The speaker and Mic grill/mesh is still semi permeable and enough pressure from a faucet or even steam can pass through and accumulate.
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Just remember that the phone was tested and certified for 1.5M at 30minutes under a very controlled environment. When you take it out and about in a pool or beach or under a faucet there's many factors that could lead to water entering into sensitive components. The speaker and Mic grill/mesh is still semi permeable and enough pressure from a faucet or even steam can pass through and accumulate.
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oh, thank you for explaination
Also, the water they use it supposedly "pure" water. Most water we have around us has extra chemicals in it...
Most tap waters have chlorine in it and some other chemicals (like flouride) though this is dependant on location.
Sea water has salts in it.
Over time the rubber seal that makes these phones IP68 rated WILL deteriorate. This can be sped up by these additives in the waters around us...
Just a heads up....
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Also, the water they use it supposedly "pure" water. Most water we have around us has extra chemicals in it...
Most tap waters have chlorine in it and some other chemicals (like flouride) though this is dependant on location.
Sea water has salts in it.
Over time the rubber seal that makes these phones IP68 rated WILL deteriorate. This can be sped up by these additives in the waters around us...
Just a heads up....
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oh, very good advice