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A good editorial/rant on Motorola and the Xoom

http://briefmobile.com/xoom-officially-priced-at-800-only-one-sku-to-choose-from-a-ranteditorial
A pretty good read.

And dont forget to rant about this:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
Arcadia310 said:
http://briefmobile.com/xoom-officially-priced-at-800-only-one-sku-to-choose-from-a-ranteditorial
A pretty good read.
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gogol said:
And dont forget to rant about this:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/06/verizon-locking-wifi-on-motorola-xoom-until-you-buy-one-month-of/
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really lame and greedy. Wanted one too. Not anymore.

same here. No way I'll pay $800 for a device that's essentially the same as the Viewsonic Gtab w/ a better OS (and a few other bells and whistles - NOT $400 worth) for DOUBLE the price. Stupid Stupid move on Motorola's part. $500 makes sense, $800 is pure stupidity. I'll keep my fingers crossed for another device that fits the $500 mark, or just wait it out w/ my newly purchased $399 Galaxy Tab for the prices to come down.

Well, this is not wifi-only device.
I don't think you can expect NON wifi-only device for $500 with this kind of spec.
If you are looking for wifi-only device (like the iPad $500 price point), then this is not for you. You need to wait ... until there is that wifi-only version released.
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same here. No way I'll pay $800 for a device that's essentially the same as the Viewsonic Gtab w/ a better OS (and a few other bells and whistles - NOT $400 worth) for DOUBLE the price. Stupid Stupid move on Motorola's part. $500 makes sense, $800 is pure stupidity. I'll keep my fingers crossed for another device that fits the $500 mark, or just wait it out w/ my newly purchased $399 Galaxy Tab for the prices to come down.
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How funny is that. Were in a recession, yet you want to charge 800 for a tablet that's wifi locked and you MUST pay at least one month of Verizons data plan just to unlock the wifi. I call bull****. Lost alot of respect from me.
[G2/HTC Vision]

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Well, this is not wifi-only device.
I don't think you can expect NON wifi-only device for $500 with this kind of spec.
If you are looking for wifi-only device (like the iPad $500 price point), then this is not for you. You need to wait ... until there is that wifi-only version released.
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So your saying the cellular portion of these devices costs and/or is worth the extra $300 price tag? I would speculate the additional technology cost would be happily subsidized by any cellular company getting a data plan rate from the consumer and SHOULD keep this device around $500. The profits from the data plans that the cellular companies are getting from $20+ a month?? come on...seriously???
Let's call a spade a spade, Motorola believes that people will pay a premium for the 'FIRST' Android 3.0 device AND wants to ride the 'ipad' wave w/ the cellular providers pushing their wares + data plans. This $800 price tag wont last long. Apple sells the 'Apple' brand (hey look I bought an 'APPLE'), Motorola sells devices (no one is running around going 'hey look I bought a 'Motorola' - who cares???)
This thing will drop in price significantly over the next 6 months as they 1) get past the few people that are willing to throw money away to be 'latest/greatest' at all costs and 2) start to realize that significant sales will only come when the price is reasonable and one is purchasing them at this premium.
iPad prices are sure to drop as the iPad2 is released...WHY would people pay $800 for an 'Android' when they will *likely* be able to purchase the ipad 1 for $400-$600??? you have to compete and Motorola isn't unfortantely able to compete on brand, so it needs to compete for price + technology.
Let's not forget these are 'consumer' devices not computers, sure you can go 'spec for spec' w/ the nerds, but the masses don't really care about all that stuff....and the masses is who your selling your device to, to get 10+million devices in sales...

When the price leaked several weeks ago, any hope I had of getting a Xoom was gone. Even if it had not been shot down then, the new news that the price will be $800 and there will be a CHARGE to activate wifi .... would have done me in.
I made the decision to get the Nook Color. A week later someone had ported a working version/img of HC to the NC from the sdk release. The dang $800 Xoom can showcase it's stuff in a few weeks and I'm happy for people that will get it as I know it will be beautiful. The HC UI is gorgeous, beyond my expectations. I'll sit here happily with my $250 NC reader/table running HC. So far everything my friend with an iPad can do, I can do on my NC. It's 100%stable when running the rooted Eclair or Froyo, and about 80+% (and improving with each release) stable and useable running HC.
I guess Motorola thinks people are going to replace their laptops with a 10 inch tablet? Maybe. imo - doubtful. For $800 I'd sooner replace my laptop than get the Xoom.

Wow... that whole thing read like my thought process in the first few minutes after that Best Buy ad came out, including my decision to hold off buying and see what T-Mobile has in store.

luis86dr said:
How funny is that. Were in a recession, yet you want to charge 800 for a tablet that's wifi locked and you MUST pay at least one month of Verizons data plan just to unlock the wifi. I call bull****. Lost alot of respect from me.
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Exactly. People aren't exactly looking to just throw $800+ out the window on something they don't need. A $500 Wifi iPad is a MUCH better purchase until Honeycomb/the Xoom become established in the market.

Bull****. No such thing as locking Wifi in Android. So stop the lies.
Its just Verizon wanting to push their service.

Really?
$800 is too much?
How much is the price of your cellphone if you bought it without a contract?
Get a grip.

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Really?
$800 is too much?
How much is the price of your cellphone if you bought it without a contract?
Get a grip.
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Thats great, so just because cell phones are outrageously expensive, tablets should be too?
The only thing that expensive tablets will bring is more carrier controlled bull****. This subsidized pricing model lets prices get ridiculously inflated and only screws us.
Don't spend 800 on this thing and do us all a favor.

eallan said:
Thats great, so just because cell phones are outrageously expensive, tablets should be too?
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So, you really expect something 2 to 3 times the size of a cellphone, with much better specs, way larger screen, to be cheaper.
Yep. Makes total sense.
Right.....

tullywork said:
So your saying the cellular portion of these devices costs and/or is worth the extra $300 price tag? I would speculate the additional technology cost would be happily subsidized by any cellular company getting a data plan rate from the consumer and SHOULD keep this device around $500. The profits from the data plans that the cellular companies are getting from $20+ a month?? come on...seriously???
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Well, I don't know the price for that cellular components. But take a look on device that has similar specs (hardware wise) and has cellular capability.
Probably, if you shrink the Xoom display to around 4" like your Android phone, you will get that for $500.
Got that?
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Let's call a spade a spade, Motorola believes that people will pay a premium for the 'FIRST' Android 3.0 device AND wants to ride the 'ipad' wave w/ the cellular providers pushing their wares + data plans. This $800 price tag wont last long. Apple sells the 'Apple' brand (hey look I bought an 'APPLE'), Motorola sells devices (no one is running around going 'hey look I bought a 'Motorola' - who cares???)
This thing will drop in price significantly over the next 6 months as they 1) get past the few people that are willing to throw money away to be 'latest/greatest' at all costs and 2) start to realize that significant sales will only come when the price is reasonable and one is purchasing them at this premium.
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Of course, that's the early/first adopters price. You know that well.
Price will drop, significantly for tech product.
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iPad prices are sure to drop as the iPad2 is released...WHY would people pay $800 for an 'Android' when they will *likely* be able to purchase the ipad 1 for $400-$600??? you have to compete and Motorola isn't unfortantely able to compete on brand, so it needs to compete for price + technology.
Let's not forget these are 'consumer' devices not computers, sure you can go 'spec for spec' w/ the nerds, but the masses don't really care about all that stuff....and the masses is who your selling your device to, to get 10+million devices in sales...
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If they want an iPad, they will buy an iPad, simple
If they don't want to spend more money they will buy iPad 1 instead of iPad 2 anyway.

Henchman said:
So, you really expect something 2 to 3 times the size of a cellphone, with much better specs, way larger screen, to be cheaper.
Yep. Makes total sense.
Right.....
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No contract iPhone 4 16gb is 599. 16Gb 3g ipad is 629. I didn't realize size was the only factor that determined cost. Some big laptops are cheeeeaaaap. Atrix is cheaper than the xoom by 200 dollars. Same specs. Stop excusing awful pricing.

eallan said:
No contract iPhone 4 16gb is 599. 16Gb 3g ipad is 629. I didn't realize size was the only factor that determined cost. Some big laptops are cheeeeaaaap. Atrix is cheaper than the xoom by 200 dollars. Same specs. Stop excusing awful pricing.
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Really? You use yet another phone as a comparison?
What part of "size is a factor " didn't you understand?
You have a screen that is almost three times the size.
Way more RAM
And a much larger battery.
And these are simply the more obvious differences.
A 32gb Class 6 sd card alone runs about $100
The screens aren't cheap either. My guess is that they are at least $200.
And we haven't even talked about development costs, and the other parts.

Henchman said:
Really?
$800 is too much?
How much is the price of your cellphone if you bought it without a contract?
Get a grip.
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Let's not act like the article doesn't have some good points though. Let's take a look at Apple, and the iPad. You can buy a 16, 32 and 64 gig iPad. You can only buy a 32 gig Xoom. Personally, I do not need a 32 gig device, so I cannot justify throwing out $800 for something I'm not going to fully use.
THAT is where Moto made their mistake if you ask me. Only coming to the table with one option. Now, we've heard rumors of a WiFi ony model waiting in the wings, so maybe they do have an entry level 16 gig Xoom waiting in the wings. BUT, Moto would be much better served releasing it from the get go than holding it back.

You can add SD card with Xoom
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Let's not act like the article doesn't have some good points though. Let's take a look at Apple, and the iPad. You can buy a 16, 32 and 64 gig iPad. You can only buy a 32 gig Xoom. Personally, I do not need a 32 gig device, so I cannot justify throwing out $800 for something I'm not going to fully use.
THAT is where Moto made their mistake if you ask me. Only coming to the table with one option. Now, we've heard rumors of a WiFi ony model waiting in the wings, so maybe they do have an entry level 16 gig Xoom waiting in the wings. BUT, Moto would be much better served releasing it from the get go than holding it back.
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I dont understand posts that say, If you dont wanna pay the premium, go get an iPad! pfffft~!..
Most of us here are fans of android, and want to see it succeed... Over the iPad and iOS devices..
What I'm worried is about the platform itself getting a bad image.. the iPad has a huge lead in user base already.. and apps already get months of early release on the iPad, starting android development only after the iOS version launches.. a device like this will only widen the gap..
Remember Sony and the PS3? "We want our users to work harder and save up for a PS3"... remember what happened? People bought 360's and Wii's...
Sigh.. and I own a ps3.. and I want a Xoom.. I'm just worried about the platform itself.. and since the Xoom was revealed to most of the general public in a high profile Superbowl ad, people will get this impression of the platform as expensive.. and not worth a premium over the iPad.. which is pretty too.. but cheaper.. and made by Apple.. which we all know is wrong.. but the general consumer doesnt..
I was talking w/ some of the people at my school, and people still dont realize that Android has anything to do with Google.. which i think is a mistake also.. people think android is a DROID device.. made by verizon.. some people dont realize that droid is even on other networks.. People trust Apple.. People trust Google.. but people dont know that Android = Google.. this I think is a problem..
And developers and other users follow where the general public user goes.. this is what I think the biggest problem is.

xoom only COSTS Best Buy $550!! WTF.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.

CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...

legato89 said:
CNET fed Motorolas ego tremendously when they gave the Xoom best of CES award...
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+1 Clearly it did...
They think they can place apple price point/margin(actually even more than apple!) without any track record to proove it... Its ridicules... They clearly want to gouge the first adopters, and a month later i can guarentee they will drop the price by 200$ (especially when ipad 2 is unveiled...)
Its a sad day that im considering and ipad 2 over xoom/other android 3.0 cause of PRICE.

$1,999 is a placeholder price.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/motorola-xoom-up-for-pre-order-at-best-buy-for-1-199/
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Update: We've heard rumblings that this is indeed just a place holder -- much like the way other companies price products they don't want to sell at ridiculous levels -- and the final price will indeed be the $800 we've heard most consistently to this point.
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Also, it isn't as if the Xoom will be the only quality Honeycomb device out there. If it cost too much for your taste, wait until cheaper 3.0 tablets arrive. Looking at the trend so far most Honeycomb tablets have almost the exact same specifications anyways.

Botero said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ps-to-1199-99-but-it-costs-best-buy-just-550/
So this makes me think that the price will be significantly lower than $1200 or $800. If not at Best Buy, someone else who can deal with less than 40% margins will sell this thing in the $6-700 range.
F*** Best Buy and their either 45% or even more obscene 118% markups.
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That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.

Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
I'd like to think that purchasing at a Verizon store will be a different story, but I'm sure there are all kinds of deals in place to keep prices uniform across the industry. It would probably be cheaper getting one shipped from Europe.
Oh well. I'm thinking the Galaxy 10.1 looks better than the Xoom anyway, so maybe I'll stick around to see how it turns out.
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The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !

Arun01 said:
The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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I hear ya there, SD card slot is a must in my mind for a tablet.
Love the design of the Tab 10.1 though, the backing looks so ergonomic.

If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Didn't motorola state the SD slot on the Xoom wont work until they patch it at a later date? or am i thinking of another CES tab?

Arun01 said:
The Galaxy 10.1 doesn't seem to come with a Sd card slot or even Hdmi port...yikes !
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Oh... I didn't realize that. Lame. It's a shame, because the device has a nice look to it.

Xevilious said:
That's crazy. When I worked at Best Buy a few years back, I found little (if any) markup on almost all laptops. Apparently they've decided that the Xoom is a different story.
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BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.

jerrykur said:
BB is probably trying to make some margin on the first few suckers (oops, customers). Expect a big price drop in a few months like the Galaxy tab.
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You do realize a tablet like this would be price controlled by Verizon correct? Verizon controls prices of phones, just like ATT, Sprint, and Apple do.
@Xevilious : little margin is still made on laptops

Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell

Old MuckenMire said:
Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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Sirchuk said:
If the xoom is locked down to modding like most other motorola stuff, the sd card won't be that big of a draw.
The markup is nuts, hence why I think you may be able to talk bestbuy into doing it out the door for 800, with the mobile service (that you can cancel).
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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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Yeah god forbid companies try and make a profit on the products they make or sell
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I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.

setite said:
Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
I am all for companies making money. But I must say, knowing that the device cost BB 550$.. I am no longer okay with Verizon forcing me to buy unwanted 3g for a month cranking up the already high price an unnecessary, and frankly incredibly expensive 1GB of data.
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well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
I agree about the mandatory Verizon data but from my understanding you have three days to cancel it and get your money back for that. I myself am going to keep the months worth of data...I've always been with AT&T and am curious about Verizon's service in my area.

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Since when did Best Buy negotiate prices on a product like this?
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Old MuckenMire said:
well you have to take into consideration that BB is probably not going to make a killing on this product. If they were confident that they would sell a lot of Xooms, the price would be less. They would be able to make up for it in volume.
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As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
And that employee cost that you see, is not always the price that Best Buy pays for an item. Tablets that require internet activation are in an entire different realm of pricing structures (especially since this is a Verizon tablet).
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You might be surprised what they will do if there is still profit to be made. You can negotiate on just about all big ticket items, especially at the end of the quarter when they want to increase revenue numbers. Never hurts to ask for something like 5 or 10 percent off. Worked for me on a digital camera I wanted and a stove. They took another $200 off my stove, even beat the internet prices I found.
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Only way money is coming off the xoom is price matching verizon, which is going to be selling it at the same price

deadpixell said:
As I said earlier pricing is controlled by Verizon
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trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.

Old MuckenMire said:
trust me, BB gives it's opinion to Verizon on what it wants to sell any given item for in their store and Verizon takes that opinion into account when pricing. BB doesn't have to carry any given device.... and Verizon or any other carrier has to work with them on price(as well as many other aspects) if Verizon wants that device in store. You can be sure Verizon's pricing would be different if they anticipated BB would sell tons more of them than they will currently.
All I am saying is this: if this tab was going to sell like the iPad, the price would be less. Verizon nor BB have the luxury of making their profit thru volume with this device.
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I know Best buy gives its opinion, but at the end of the day, its out of my hand. There are certain things like I said, that are price controlled regardless of how much Best Buy buys the item from. I'm sure Verizon also wants best buy to sell tons of xooms. During this past holiday I saw more people sold on buying tablets than laptops, sure the initial price is high, relative to what you get, but I'm sure it will come down.
And for what its worth, even though people here are complaining about the high price, this device will be extremely popular.
That being said if I see anything more in best buys system I'll try and post/make note of it

[Q] Ebay Nexus 4's

I just ordered my Nexus 4 off ebay for 499...8gb model overnight shipping because I didnt want to wait weeks for google and lets be real here the Note 2 and the s3 are 6 to 700 dollar phones and the N4 could easily be that price too because its worth it based on its hardware and just being a bad ass phone!!!!!!....but here's my situation....I sold my Note 2 for 600...ordered Nexus 4 for 500...seller paid for overnight shipping and I still have a 100 to buy accessories...and dont have to wait weeks for shipping!!!!! lol I know google is cheaper but I feel like I came out on top in this deal.....Im very happy....Have any of you guy bought one off ebay yet bcuz you didnt want to wait????

Nope, I'm not impatient enough to be wasting my money like you.

alewis2k12 said:
I just ordered my Nexus 4 off ebay for 499...8gb model overnight shipping because I didnt want to wait weeks for google and lets be real here the Note 2 and the s3 are 6 to 700 dollar phones and the N4 could easily be that price too because its worth it based on its hardware and just being a bad ass phone!!!!!!....but here's my situation....I sold my Note 2 for 600...ordered Nexus 4 for 500...seller paid for overnight shipping and I still have a 100 to buy accessories...and dont have to wait weeks for shipping!!!!! lol I know google is cheaper but I feel like I came out on top in this deal.....Im very happy....Have any of you guy bought one off ebay yet bcuz you didnt want to wait????
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You sir are king nut on the nut cake. You paid more then I did for my 16g. Lolz
That said; I bought a TPU clear case from a guy in texas and its awesome.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221154902075?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Purty fast shipping and cheap.

You could have agreed for a Nexus 4 contract with TMo, pay 200 for the phone and immediately cancel and pay the ETF for 200. Total, 200+200+tax (free activation promo).
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what a waste, ur $.

For someone that lives in the US and had a decent phone [Note 2], it makes very little sense to me why you'd go to ebay for the Nexus 4.
Just wait a little dude, and you'd save yourself even more money.

They reason I did the deal is because I make money buying and selling phones and also I have an Int s3 and a backup Note 2...I have alot of people here where Im from who wants the Nexus 4 and will pay top dollar...I usually buy every phone that comes out and maybe keep them for a month at the longest and resell for something else...its a hobby...I already got a sell for my nexus 4 for 650...bcuz like me people dont wanna wait 4 weeks or more for a phone...sorry if you guys dont understand I myself like to try out every phone instead of being on here saying this phone is better or that phone is better...I just try them all...maybe ill find a phone worth sticking with but I enjoy all of them...but once again its just something I like to do and its a hobby sorry if I offended some of you...just was stating a deal I got...

lol 8gb for 500? on cl and ebay i see them sell for 500 or less. i sold my 16gb for 520 on cl

ceejay83 said:
lol 8gb for 500? on cl and ebay i see them sell for 500 or less. i sold my 16gb for 520 on cl
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So let me get this straight Note 2 sells for 700...S3 sells for 600...Iphone 5 sells for 800....do anyone get my drift...and the nexus is better than all of those...I bought one for 500 only to sell it for 650...so basically everyone thinks this phone isnt worth wat others are selling easy for...c'mon man....Im a hustla I made 150 profit can anyone blame me....damn...no dissrespect.... but if you had 500 to spend to make 650 in the same day why wouldnt you....and Ceejay I made a 100+ more than you on my 8gb Nexus...lol

uhhh who would buy a 8gb for $650?!?! 16gb don't even sell for that much on ebay, so you're not making any sense

ceejay83 said:
uhhh who would buy a 8gb for $650?!?! 16gb don't even sell for that much on ebay, so you're not making any sense
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nooooooooooooo i sold it for 650....lol...I bought it for 500

damn whoever bought that for 650 is pretty dumb, good for you though

ceejay83 said:
damn whoever bought that for 650 is pretty dumb, good for you though
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hahahahaha +1....

ceejay83 said:
damn whoever bought that for 650 is pretty dumb, good for you though
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I have never understood why eBay brings high prices. Some people just get in bidding process and feel urge to bid more.
Just all comes down to how bad someone wants the product .
And someone's phone might have broke,water damage etc and they cannot wait 4-5 weeks. They need a phone in 1-2 days.
So lots of factors why someone would pay $650 for a $400 phone ($350 plus 5-10% sales taxes plus $13 shipping).
And some people either are afraid of craigslist or just live in an area where there aren't a lot of craigslist sales.

tweaked said:
You sir are king nut on the nut cake. You paid more then I did for my 16g. Lolz
That said; I bought a TPU clear case from a guy in texas and its awesome.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221154902075?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Purty fast shipping and cheap.
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How is your headphone hole? I have the black one and it's 1mm off, enough to have the jack curved sideways a bit when plugged in.
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aneftp said:
I have never understood why eBay brings high prices. Some people just get in bidding process and feel urge to bid more.
Just all comes down to how bad someone wants the product .
And someone's phone might have broke,water damage etc and they cannot wait 4-5 weeks. They need a phone in 1-2 days.
So lots of factors why someone would pay $650 for a $400 phone ($350 plus 5-10% sales taxes plus $13 shipping).
And some people either are afraid of craigslist or just live in an area where there aren't a lot of craigslist sales.
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+1

alewis2k12 said:
nooooooooooooo i sold it for 650....lol...I bought it for 500
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Minus your $60 ebay fee, minus $20 paypal fees, minus $10-15 in shipping to the winner of the auction, means you netted $555. Meanwhile the guy that sold it on CL for $520, netted $520 and didn't have to deal with running an auction, or shipping an item out. Seems like a lot of extra work for $35.

You are insane. You said you sold your Note 2 but you have a backup note 2? WTF!? Who has money to waste like this. I'd much rather wait for the phone and pay $350 than way over retail. Yes those other phones are high priced but that's what they set them for retail. The Nexus 4 is better but was set at much lower retail and I'm not willing to pay over retail. I don't have $600 to go waste on a phone.

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Minus your $60 ebay fee, minus $20 paypal fees, minus $10-15 in shipping to the winner of the auction, means you netted $555. Meanwhile the guy that sold it on CL for $520, netted $520 and didn't have to deal with running an auction, or shipping an item out. Seems like a lot of extra work for $35.
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You are insane. You said you sold your Note 2 but you have a backup note 2? WTF!? Who has money to waste like this. I'd much rather wait for the phone and pay $350 than way over retail. Yes those other phones are high priced but that's what they set them for retail. The Nexus 4 is better but was set at much lower retail and I'm not willing to pay over retail. I don't have $600 to go waste on a phone.
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ok heres the deal....I sold my 1st note 2 on craiglist for 600....I have another one...why keep 2 of the same phones....I bought the nexus 4 on ebay for 500...profit 100 on that deal
next....I sold the nexus that i bought for 500 for 650...profit 150...
next....just got another one in off an even trade of craiglist...I traded an international s3....I know have both phones nexus 4 and note 2....+150 to buy accessories for the Nexus 4 guys....now do you all have an clear understading....
Im a business man and dont have time to wait on phones from google...money and time dont wait on no one neither will I...but once again this is what I do buy sell trade phones...
you guys bought your nexus to keep and hold...not me...I bought it because i wanted to try it out and sell it for the next big thing...like i said in my first post phones are a hobby for me....i get bored with the same phone after about a month...so thats why I buy sell and trade i love the new experience....hope u guys understand that everyone has something they like to do or something their good at....phones is just my thing man...just look at my previous device list thats only from a couple of months ago and I didnt list everything just got tired of typing like now lol...

If you're asking if we would have done the same, the majority of us would answer no. People are calling you crazy because you were willing to pay a huge premium; you don't necessarily have to agree with them if you're happy with your decision since it's your money and your phone at the end of the day.
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ordered Nexus 4 for 500...seller paid for overnight shipping and I still have a 100 to buy accessories...and dont have to wait weeks for shipping!!!!! lol I know google is cheaper but I feel like I came out on top in this deal.....Im very happy....Have any of you guy bought one off ebay yet bcuz you didnt want to wait????
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I bought one for 500 only to sell it for 650...so basically everyone thinks this phone isnt worth wat others are selling easy for...c'mon man....Im a hustla I made 150 profit can anyone blame me
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You can do whatever you want with your money -- I just can't believe that you got a 8GB Nexus 4 for $500 (intending to keep it and buy accessories with the $100 "profit") to changing your mind and finding a buyer in your network (without phone in-hand) for $150 more, all within 20 minutes.
I think your business model and obsession with phones no matter the premium makes no sense, but to each his own.

Nexus 6 may become a bargain next year.

With the Nexus 6 being sold in alot more stores & carriers this time around, than past Nexus smartphones anybody think that the price will come down pretty quickly after the New Year.
Being a big Phablet popularity after the new year will probably dwindle, once the geeks and tech heads have got theirs the general public will probably think it just to big.
Then there the case of 2015 smartphones which will all be running either the Snapdragon 64bit 808 or 810 and will come with either 3 or 4GB of ram & smaller QHD screens.
The Nexus 6 on the Play Store will continue at the price it is now for the rest of the year, while the stores will probably drop the price significantly just to shift stock.
I wouldn't be surprised come March or April next year that the price of the 32Gb Nexus 6 is around 350 dollar,pound ect mark pending on which country your from.
What do you think?

I don't know how you expect the price to drop by as much as half.
At 350$ the nexus 5 is actually still a good phone. And the nexus 6 competes very well against phones in 700$ range.
Most carrier will just discount the price on contracts because they still make money. The price of buying outright usually never change especially less than a year after launch.
You have to remember that the reason google launched a premium 700$ nexus device was to show that google wasn't going to undercut other manufactures for the android silver program.
For those who aren't aware android silver the the program similar to gpe and android one where manufacture phones run stock android. The biggest reason that the manufactures didn't want to participate was that they couldn't differiante them selves enough if all the devices were running stock and if google had launched the nexus 6 at a 350$ price then Google would just cannabilze the market.
You have to remember that google has no reason to lower prices of nexus 6 and carrier only give people bigger discounts on phones for signing contracts.
Msrp doesn't change so the price of the phone won't. Yes you'll see maybe sales 100$ less within the year but that's a standard trend. Google probably charges 600$ to the retailers why would they sell it for anyless, they are a business not charity
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I don't recall Google lowering prices of their phones at all or by much.
Ian B

I can see them lowering it a Benjamin in 6-8 months I don't think that's out of the question

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I don't recall Google lowering prices of their phones at all or by much.
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The only time that they reduced the price was N4, http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...-price-drops-by-100-199-for-8gb-249-for-16gb/
But yeah Google doesn't really bring any of the prices down. If anything, the carriers would for prices on contract.

I doubt the GPS price will change much, if at all. But it'll definitely become cheaper on places like eBay much more rapidly than previous Nexus devices now that it's sold on contract. It most likely won't be immune from the occasional carrier promotion or price reduction either once it ages a bit.

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LOL...What stock?

Pixel CANADIAN DISCUSSION

The title is in all caps because I felt like yelling

I hoping Koodo will at least get it online. As excited as I always get for new nexus devices, I am worried about Canadian pricing.

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I hoping Koodo will at least get it online. As excited as I always get for new nexus devices, I am worried about Canadian pricing.
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I have a feeling it will start at $750-$800 CAD for the base model. Looks like it won't be a budget phone anymore...

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I have a feeling it will start at $750-$800 CAD for the base model. Looks like it won't be a budget phone anymore...
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Budget phone or not, I will be getting XL for sure, I am hoping the hardware doesn't vary too much or I will need both somehow.

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The title is in all caps because I felt like yelling
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I have a 6P and will likely be going with the Pixel (non XL) upon release. I caved in and got the 6P last year even though I hate phablets, and although it's an amazing phone, I still find it too big to this day. 5-5.2" is my sweet spot. Will buy from play store directly like 6P and N5 before, easier this way especially for warranty imho, unless Videotron in Quebec (likely) or Fido/Virgin/Koodo (unlikely) have it at launch as they all have decent 6GB/60$ BYOP plans ; not Bell/Rogers/Telus.
I'll sell my 6P (pretty sure I can get 300$ for the 32GB still under warranty) so that should offset the, I assume, 750$ish price range for the smaller Pixel. The only major turn off for me is front facing speaker ; I will really, really miss those, especially if the bezels are as thick as the leaked renders/pictures (I'M SURE THERE IS ROOM GOOGLE, WHY? :'( )
And the phone better be f'ing amazing at that price (or really nice at a more decent 600$ish price).*

If the price starts at 650USD which in Canada means 845CAD$ + tax = 975CAD$ I'm out.
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I'll keep the 5X, it's a good phone.

Available now on google play store 1033cad ! way too much for me!

Pixel pre order has been placed ?. Did the phablet on the 6 and went back to the 5x size last year. Bigger isn't always better ?

I pre ordered thru a contract with Telus. $200 up front on a 2 year contract. Looking forward to shipment.

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I pre ordered thru a contract with Telus. $200 up front on a 2 year contract. Looking forward to shipment.
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How much is your monthly plan?

Only $12 more than previous contract for Nexus 5 two years ago, which completed by chance in September.
Cell and data bills in Canada are crazy, though. I support openmedia.ca 's efforts.

Total though, $80? I would imagine half of that would go to pay the phone off.

115ish after Data and nationwide calling...expensive

Just ordered my Pixel. Added a new line to my account (Telus) and the phone was 0$ .. Already have 6gb shared data.. so a new plan is 84$ a month taxes included. So it cost me 17$ (sim cost) to order this phone. And comes with 100$ Google play credit!
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Available now on google play store 1033cad ! way too much for me!
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Not only is it too much, it's just all around not worth it for the price compared to similar offerings.

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115ish after Data and nationwide calling...expensive
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Gah ya that's a bit much, i would almost expect the phone to be completely free at those prices.

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Gah ya that's a bit much, i would almost expect the phone to be completely free at those prices.
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My monthly bill for the last 2 years was only $12 less then this. I am glad it is not free if the change in bill would be lots higher and it would cost me lots more in long run.
$12 x 24 months + $200 = $488 Pixel at end of contract. Compared to $1033 as someone saw, it is a good deal for me.

Just preordered it from bell for 399 on a 2 year contract. Can't wait for it to come. I think this phone will definitely be worth it.

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Just preordered it from bell for 399 on a 2 year contract. Can't wait for it to come. I think this phone will definitely be worth it.
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I pre-ordered 2 black 128GB's yesterday from Rogers for $329 each. The demand for the phone doesn't appear to be that high though judging from my position in the line-up -- I'm 47 in the line-up, and that's after placing my order one week after the device was announced...
With Rogers, if you pre-order, you get 2GB of data extra to add to your plan for 12 months, a free Chromecast and a $50 Play Store credit. And that's per device. Not bad.