So the debate was running about the useless of Z1 SA mode does it worth the effort Sony made ??
this thread was made with Usefull hints from valuable members here .. SPECIAL THX TO @One Twelve @Luinwethion @ascariss @twoeleven99
would like @Luinwethion to add his photos (Rapid SA snap vs Wait 2sec SA snaps)
All shots were taken handheld except the night shots. all images were taken after 2 sec. for the SA precisly determine the scene to trigger.
so SA will be in 16x9 and Manual in 4:3 all auto
NOTICE : latest firmware .136 notice the minimum amount of noise .. good job SONY
No bright light photos as all we know no difference noticed in bright sun light both are spactactular.
before starting i will put the Best of Z1 nightshot we could squueze out.
Night scene rested not handheld added saturation only
Best Squeezed out by Sea-Breezee, on Flickr
Now lets start SA vs Manual
SA auto flash bad light enviroment full of Smoke
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Manual of the same scene with flash on
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SA flash off
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hope this show how SA could take Good Shots
No doubt the z1 in SA mode can take some great shots and I have a feeling this is where the Bionz aspect comes into play, less so into manual mode, but I could be wrong and bionz might be used equally in both modes or not at all Who knows.
"SA low light scene triggered" looks pretty awesome except it is not sharp enough, if it was sharper, that would be rather impressive from a smartphone.
Some of the SA are superior to the manual shots for sure but at times the manual seems to have the upper hand.
Hopefully once SA mode arrives in 20.7MP mode in 4,4 I will use it more for sure. I'll do more testing in with SA vs manual here as well, I should be getting a better intenret upload speed on saturday, so I won't be restricted in how much I can upload.
ascariss said:
No doubt the z1 in SA mode can take some great shots and I have a feeling this is where the Bionz aspect comes into play, less so into manual mode, but I could be wrong and bionz might be used equally in both modes or not at all Who knows.
"SA low light scene triggered" looks pretty awesome except it is not sharp enough, if it was sharper, that would be rather impressive from a smartphone.
Some of the SA are superior to the manual shots for sure but at times the manual seems to have the upper hand.
Hopefully once SA mode arrives in 20.7MP mode in 4,4 I will use it more for sure. I'll do more testing in with SA vs manual here as well, I should be getting a better intenret upload speed on saturday, so I won't be restricted in how much I can upload.
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You already can have 20.7MP photos with SA.
Just install xposed module And reboot. I'm using it myself although I can complain about the graininess after you zoom in the picture. It looks weird. See for yourself.
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Some night pictures in SA
I took all of those pictures quickly. I didn't wait for 2 seconds.
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I'm talking about that: it's a maximally zoomed in screenshot of the first picture.
The
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Xposed needs root, I don't want to root my phone. I can wait for Sony to add it, no rush.
Sony will never add this the 20mp SA cause this will allow NO CLEAR ZOOM NO OVERSAMPLING so will be worthless the added pixel count will add nothing to quality
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ashouhdy said:
Sony will never add this the 20mp SA cause this will allow NO CLEAR ZOOM NO OVERSAMPLING so will be worthless the added pixel count will add nothing to quality
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I believe there is a 20MP SA, it was in some of the firmwares around the world, possibly hong kong, or there about's where users showed 20MP SA mode after a firmware update.
I hardly use clear zoom myself so no loss there, but the oversampling might be something I would not like to lose.
Nice ones!
So, not long ago in a spanish forum, people were complaining about the quality of the Superior auto mode, and they also said that is was not acceptable for the user to have to learn how to use the manual mode to get great pictures.
Of course you won't expect for a normal user to know everything about photography, but a basic knowledge would help...
But it's important to learn how to deal with your camera to take good pictures.
Just a little basics to understand the results of the pictures I took.
Aperture: Well in mobile phones the aperture is fixed, to be simple, aperture is the size of the hole in a camera lens... the bigger the hole the lighter the picture can be... Of course it will affect other things like distortion and etc etc... No need to understand it now.
Shutter speed: Is just the amount of time that the sensor captures light, the slower the shutter speed is the brighter the picture, BUT if the camera or any object moves during this process, the picture will be blurry, that is how those beautiful highways pictures are taken, the camera is steady and the cars are moving, with a very low shutter speed you can capture those kind of pictures.
ISO: In old film cameras we had films with different sensibility for light, the higher the sensibility the lighter the picture will be, in digital camera you can choose the ISO per shot, so the sensor will be more or less sensible.
And then you think, well, just select a higher ISO and then we have the perfect night picture, well, no, in higher ISO you will also get more noise, this grain effect on the picture.
Why I'm I telling all this nonsense just to "defend" Superior Auto?
Well, when taking pictures in automatic is your phone that do the math to select the ISO and Shutter speed... but superior auto does even more, it analyses the live view feed to select the best scene, where other cameras only match the good combination for a good light, Superior Auto will analyse the picture, so if it thinks that the picture is a portrait, it will select the portrait option, if you focus on a moving object, it will try to take the picture with a faster shutter speed to avoid blurry... And so it goes.
But Superior Auto also tries to compensate another factors, like a "shaky hand", if the phone isn't steady, Superior Auto will again try to avoid blurry pictures. How? Well, faster shutter speed, and higher ISO... And the result is? Yes more image noise.
Also to calculate the scene Superior Auto needs a second or two, just to get thing right. So don't press the shutter button before the camera is even open, give it a second.
And now the interesting part, pictures!!!
Just remember:
Lower ISO = Less noise and less light
Higher ISO = More noise and more light
Lower shutter speed = More light and a bigger chance to get blurry pictures
Higher shutter speed = Less light and a lower chance to get blurry pictures
A good balance between those two = The perfect picture
Here a few examples, the only thing I did was turn the flash off, the first pictures is made holding the phone with one hand and using the other hand to take the picture with the hardware camera button.
The second pictures are taking using the on screen button and trying to hold the phone steady, in some cases placing it somewhere.
See the difference in ISO and shutterspeed.
1/32 sec
ISO 500
1/20 sec
ISO 400
1/32 sec
ISO 1600
1/16 sec
ISO 500
1/25 sec
ISO 1250
1/16 sec
ISO 800
1/125 sec
ISO 2000
1/64 sec
ISO 800
1/125 sec
ISO 2500
1/64
ISO 1000
1/32 sec
ISO 1250
1/16 sec
ISO 400
1/100 sec
ISO 2000
1/32 sec
ISO 800
1/25 sec
ISO 1600
1/16 sec
ISO 640
As you see there is a big difference in ISO in some pictures, but why?
Well, the first pictures ware taken while I was holding the phone with one hand and using the hardware camera key, so the phone wasn't steady. and it needed to take the picture with a higher shutter speed and ISO to avoid blurry images.
The lesson is:
Don't use the hardware camera key, use the on screen shutter button, hold the phone with your 2 hands, don't stretch your arms, keep it close to your body, hold you breath, if needed lean om somewhere or someone...
It may sounds crazy, but when I'm taking pictures at night, I try to place my phone somewhere and gently press the screen to take the picture.
SA isnt that bad after all. I kinda luv it now.
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ascariss said:
No doubt the z1 in SA mode can take some great shots and I have a feeling this is where the Bionz aspect comes into play, less so into manual mode, but I could be wrong and bionz might be used equally in both modes or not at all Who knows.
"SA low light scene triggered" looks pretty awesome except it is not sharp enough, if it was sharper, that would be rather impressive from a smartphone.
Some of the SA are superior to the manual shots for sure but at times the manual seems to have the upper hand.
Hopefully once SA mode arrives in 20.7MP mode in 4,4 I will use it more for sure. I'll do more testing in with SA vs manual here as well, I should be getting a better intenret upload speed on saturday, so I won't be restricted in how much I can upload.
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I doubt Sony will make the choice to shoot in 20MP on superior auto... the whole noise reduction thing in Superior Auto is thanks to the oversampling that occurs from 20 to 9MP.
And any ways, what's the point of taking pictures in 20MP, will you edit the pictures? Because a 20MP picture can look worse than a 9MP picture in a 100 crop.
I take my pictures in 20MP, but just because I want to give it some edit on Lightroom... After I'm done I export all my pictures in 5MP (more aggressive pixel binning) ... And 5MP is enough to see in a fillHD TV, enough to print, enough to share.
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ashouhdy said:
SA isnt that bad after all. I kinda luv it now.
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I can't take any pictures today (my Z1 is with my mom, to take some pictures of my sisters first swimming classes), but next week I'll be in a disco, and will use SA to take all the pictures.
Excellent now its complete . any complains from the z1 camera will be reffered here.
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Nice work mate...tnx
You, probably, wrote that for hours
But I can confirm that what you said about holding phone with both hands and not to use hardware button...
Obviously, where we press hardware button device is shaken and pictures are so good...
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For point and shoot SA works well, no one wants to be tweaking their phone if they're trying to capture a moment so for that reason it works, If you've got the time to, manual will work out better so long as you know what settings to choose
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Trust me SA actually helps you to take a pic when it's really dark but it messes up the photo details during the day time,
That's all I have noticed. and bit of smoothening algorithm.
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Huawei P20 Pro's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Taken using night mode with 5second exposure.
it's good but i'm not blown away like some.
on closer look the images are all very soft
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it's good but i'm not blown away like some.
on closer look the images are all very soft
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The fact that the photo taken with limited light and shaky hand after gym, I'm quite impressed. But the photo does look like too much post processing involved and on the soft side.
Haven't tried night mode but I took some shots side by side with the Pixel 2 XL this weekend in a restaurant with low light and the Pixel 2 shots were clearly more detailed and brighter.
So far beside low light shoot, I don't really like the over processing photo of p20pro. My old mate 9 photo looks more pleasant to my eye than this...
delete me
Just sold my Mate 10 Pro because i was hugely disappointed by the camera, the super aggressive processing just killed every photos.
Was planning to get the P20 Pro but after seeing all the samples...no Huawei just don't get it..
Excellent hw and superb camera app killed by the stupid processing..
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cornel.atomei said:
I know it's not the PRO version, but here's a good comparison with AI on / off with this phone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr5f53kxfaY&t=29s
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AI destroyed every photo, AI off and RAW is better but still bad...
Bromsoket said:
Just sold my Mate 10 Pro because i was hugely disappointed by the camera, the super aggressive processing just killed every photos.
Was planning to get the P20 Pro but after seeing all the samples...no Huawei just don't get it..
Excellent hw and superb camera app killed by the stupid processing..
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AI destroyed every photo, AI off and RAW is better but still bad...
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Photography is very subjective, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.bsome people like the natural look, some people like the more processed and boosted look. But i must admit, huawei sometimes goes banana with processing.
Went to disneyland and took this at sunset. Amazed.
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AI destroyed every photo, AI off and RAW is better but still bad...
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AI is not bad, you need to learn to handle it.
night mode - hdr mode - AI = Sunset
night mode by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
hdr mode by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
AI = Sunset by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
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night mode vs. photo mode with high ISO - yes high ISO have much noise, but you need a photo in realy dark condition? without a tripod!!!!
night mode - ISO3200 et6sec by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
photo mode + exposure correction +4 = ISO102.400 et1/4 by Maik Reifschneider, auf Flickr
Night photography is the best.
Night photography is the best.
Those photos looked familiar
yuhanyanghaeng said:
Night photography is the best.
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gyeongju?
Taken in auto mode, only thing I've done is cropped it.
Bursa - Tophane
Really great low light performance in the P20 Pro. I have been getting some great shots after dark.
I just want to share with you the photos i took in Quy Nhon, Vietnam.
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Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
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Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
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Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
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Quy Nhơn nồng cháy by green_banana, on Flickr
I was in Quinhon. It's very beautiful city. I had ate seafood in restaurant. It's unforgettable experience.
Beautiful! I have never been to East-Asia... -.-
Great pictures. Was this with the default camera app?
Wow! Nice Pic... Powered by Mi6
bahuy2003 said:
I was in Quinhon. It's very beautiful city. I had ate seafood in restaurant. It's unforgettable experience.
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Yes it is, very nice place, not so much tourist, i can really enjoy the landscape. There are nice people as well.
Axendo said:
Beautiful! I have never been to East-Asia... -.-
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You should try, the cost is low but the fun is mind-blow.
thegorilla said:
Great pictures. Was this with the default camera app?
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its a mix between default camera and google camera. The night shots are google camera.
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Wow! Nice Pic... Powered by Mi6
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its not that bad camera as pp complained
The portrait is great, but i did not post any pics due to most of them are people and selfie.
Are those edited raw pictures?
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Are those edited raw pictures?
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its Jpg, some edited in built in MI6 App
please google camera version, thank
Beautiful!
nhoczsieuquay said:
please google camera version, thank
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i used MGC_5.2.022_FINAL_1.0.apk with medium setting and Lib fix from Mi6 XDA forum.
Dev released a newer version, you should try.
Thanks bro. Awesome pictures
What a beautiful place, very nice photos
Very beautiful