Low light camera "fix"? - Xperia Z3 Compact General

In putting together the camera locked/unlocked comparison, I found that the locked Sony did a good job of pulling out details in low light environments, while pictures under normal lighting conditions were (mostly) unaffected.
This morning, before heading out for work, I stumbled across an app in the Play Store called Night Camera and after a quick test, found that it actually does a fairly comparable job with the Sony "high and mighty", "I'm gonna delete your DRM keys if you try to steal it" algorithms.
Here are the comparison shots. First one taken with the Sony camera on a locked bl phone, and the second taken with Night Camera on a phone that has been BL unlocked.
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it does remove the noise quite well but look at the sharpness and detail of the bench and towel

Bäcker said:
it does remove the noise quite well but look at the sharpness and detail of the bench and towel
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We all know that sony software with their own algorithms is better than this "Night Camera", but the point, imho, is that your hardware will be the same with the same capabilities with or without drm.
It's only a software related problem.
I think I'm going to unlock my bootloader now, how often happens to you guys to take a photo completely in the dark? In other condition seems there are no big differences, but I'm not a photographer myself.
On the other hand I had an s4 before the z3c, always been on aosp rom, and I've never missed any of the samsung camera capabilities, even knowing they were degraded using google camera.

yes, that is a nice confirmation. Though I've always been convinced that this is just a software problem and sony does not actually degrade the hardware.

Keep in mind that the same photo using an iPhone 5s results in a nearly black picture!

kaiowas82 said:
We all know that sony software with their own algorithms is better than this "Night Camera", but the point, imho, is that your hardware will be the same with the same capabilities with or without drm.
It's only a software related problem.
I think I'm going to unlock my bootloader now, how often happens to you guys to take a photo completely in the dark? In other condition seems there are no big differences, but I'm not a photographer myself.
On the other hand I had an s4 before the z3c, always been on aosp rom, and I've never missed any of the samsung camera capabilities, even knowing they were degraded using google camera.
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OP, what happens if you use the Sony app and manually set ISO to 12800?

Fruktsallad said:
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OP, what happens if you use the Sony app and manually set ISO to 12800?
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You can't manually set the ISO to 12800. Can only be done in Auto mode.

Crewville96 said:
You can't manually set the ISO to 12800. Can only be done in Auto mode.
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Oh, that's true. My bad. Some third party apps allow some degree of ISO control, though.

Crewville96 said:
You can't manually set the ISO to 12800. Can only be done in Auto mode.
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Actually, while there's no 12800 ISO setting, there is a SCENE for High ISO in manual mode.

dew.man said:
Actually, while there's no 12800 ISO setting, there is a SCENE for High ISO in manual mode.
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Yup, but I'm shooting with the High ISO mode, it's only taking pics at 3200 ISO.

nope, not even close.

If only Sony's camera software was as competent in other lighting situations as it was in low light conditions, they would have the best camera experience on the market, hands down.

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Camera / Photo examples?

Can any of you lucky Galaxy S owners provide real life examples of the camera capabilities please? Ideally some shots in different lighting conditions.
Thanks.
This would be good to see as i have only seen videos​
MacaronyMax said:
This would be good to see as i have only seen videos​
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picture samples
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilegear/sets/72157624154501863/
reviews with camera samples and 720p videos:
http://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=9422
http://www.mobile01.com/newsdetail.php?id=9390
Are those real i9000 photos?
The colors look great, much better then the examples from the gsmarena.com review.
According to the websites, yes.
Thanks for the links Archius.
Seems that the camera is ok for snaps (I have been spoiled by the Carl Zeiss optics of the Nokia N Series) but then I guess the camera is not what you would buy this phone for!
Here are two of my photos I've taken.
Normal light conditions
i47.tinypic.com/2qd3kns.jpg
Darker conditions (yeah I know my room is a mess)
i50.tinypic.com/ak7fbr.jpg
kenny326 said:
Here are two of my photos I've taken.
Normal light conditions
i47.tinypic.com/2qd3kns.jpg
Darker conditions (yeah I know my room is a mess)
i50.tinypic.com/ak7fbr.jpg
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What camera settings did you use?
Great pictures, much better then my HD2 HD2 performs awful in the darkness - overexposes every picture with the leds. So I won't miss the led except for flashlight purposes
at least we can see under low light xD
the normal light picture is not bad, much better than HTC's quality and everything seems clear enough for a phone cam.
but it doesn't capture the sunlight that well, it makes a "whitish" effect in the picture lol not sure how to describe. but it ruins the real colors.
holy crap. in decent lighting those stills looks pretty darn good for a phone.
and the video is REALLY impressive for a phone.
it appears that it doesnt do well in low light, but still... im impressed.
latraviata said:
What camera settings did you use?
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Default camera settings when it came out of the box (superfine etc).
Edit: This is what it looks like with Night Mode.
i47.tinypic.com/2yjrf4n.jpg
kenny326 said:
Default camera settings when it came out of the box (superfine etc).
Edit: This is what it looks like with Night Mode.
i47.tinypic.com/2yjrf4n.jpg
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Thank you so much!
Hmm, if the camera is similar to that on my Omnia I then I’d recommend manually setting the ISO rather than leaving it on auto. Also, I’d be curious if manually focusing on a specific object would perhaps result in a sharper low light photo (my Omnia has problems auto focusing in low light/low contrast situations).
If you want me to take some specific shots I can try. I've been messing around with the settings i.e macro, iso etc.
I took this today on the Galaxy S, I didnt check the settings, its still all on default. It was taken freestanding so could probably be sharper, but was pretty much just point and shoot. Its not edited apart from the 50% reduction to make it viewable on here. Colours are as they were captured, and not bad for a camera phone.
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That's enough for me
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That's enough for me
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same here !!
very nice sky also, and nice colors compared to other phones.
video shots @ 720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW7bQC3J_Pg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ZrSkXGHIU
zenkinz said:
video shots @ 720p
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW7bQC3J_Pg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ZrSkXGHIU
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Those look great and the dog is very cute! Thanks for posting!
Thanks a lot guys for the camera samples. I think we would all agree that the daylight photos and videos are excellent.
Could we please have some more samples of low-light photos and video?
Many thanks.
Mario

Photos & video with Desire HD-video update-

http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/93c9ada2ad4d20f983f3269bdb10c7c9.jpg
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http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/fa4fb57af7c61c23e5831db6ac39f6b7.jpg
What do you think?
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http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/93c9a...9bdb10c7c9.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/96d31...18736807de.jpg
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What do you think?
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I think your links don't work.
Yes... File not Found is all I get too.
Beards said:
Yes... File not Found is all I get too.
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Link update
faby71 said:
Link update
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No... Still showing file not found.
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No... Still showing file not found.
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Link 1° post work!!!
faby71 said:
Link 1° post work!!!
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Where did you bought it?
Wow, very nice!
xazac said:
Where did you bought it?
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swiss
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swiss
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Ah, so bad! xD
Soooo much noise and artifact in those shots, resolved detail not very good either.
That said, looks like HTCs best camera ever (apart from perhaps the Mozart with its Xenon Flash, but I haven't seen many examples from that handset yet).
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
i agree buying a phone based on its camera is silly, the only time i have ever used my phone camera was when i got a parking ticket so i took photos of the signage and my car wrote a letter to the council and got off without having to pay
if i know im going to take photos i just take my DSLR
NZtechfreak said:
Soooo much noise and artifact in those shots, resolved detail not very good either.
That said, looks like HTCs best camera ever (apart from perhaps the Mozart with its Xenon Flash, but I haven't seen many examples from that handset yet).
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Yes, I agree.
However, what I am finding is the DHD does not leave much EXIF data.
Below is what is missing when shown in PhotoMe which is shown on the SGS:-
Under Overview
Aperture
Exposure Time
Program Mode
Flash Mode
Metering Mode
White Balance
Under Image
Orientation of Image
Software Firmware
Under Thumbnail view
Nothing. There's no section!
Under Camera
Exposure Time
F-Stop
Exposure Program
Shutter Speed
Aperture
Brightness
Exposure Bias
Maximum Lens Aperture
Metering Mode
Light Source
Flash Details
Manufacturer Notes
Sensing Method
Scene Type
Exposure Mode
White Balance
Digital Zoom Ratio
Focal Length in 35mm Film
Scene Capture Type
Contrast
Saturation
Sharpness
eozen81 said:
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
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Nice
More photos..............
Any chance in taking an evening shot (sunset/sunrise) without flash.
Also if possible another two low light shots with and without flash (basically the same shot for comparison on how well the camera handles low lighting with & without a flash).
Cheers.
Ouch those shots are really poor in terms of quality, noise, too strong noisereduction, chromatic abberation and hell everything.
I'm afraid Nokia N8 wins this round.
/ Magnus
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Pepsi anyone!??
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eozen81 said:
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
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You don't need to be obsessed with photo quality to demand more from your mobile phone camera than the Desire HD is offering though. For many of us the camera is quite an important consideration because day to day photography with our phones is part of our regular use (most of us don't carry a DSLR all the time, eh?). Its nice to have shots that are 'good enough' for that kind of casual photography, and many other non-HTC phones offer that.
I won't, and haven't ever, based a decision to buy a phone solely on the camera, but certainly its a consideration, more important for some of us than others (but you can't dictate to others how they come to a decision to get a phone or not).

New Camera defect?

i was waiting at the vet and decided to snap a picture of my dog
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both the still and viewfinder display show these lines
(a reset to factory settings via the camera app restores it to normal)
is this something anyone else has experienced?
RavenWulf said:
it's just 1 of many screen names of someone who is upset about something the Mods have done.
does the camera only have the issue with stock app or does it do it with 3rd party apps like Camera 360?
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Yea i'd have to agree download a second Camera Application to see if it happens on a secondary program. That will isolate the difference between a bad camera or bad programing.
you know i didnt look and see if camera360 was doing it
my suspicions lie in the camera app getting wonky (see: using multiple programs and getting a bad driver warning...please restart)
it happens
ill check another app besides stock when it happens again
thanks guys
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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Bingo, this is the answer.
tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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nailed it
the 2x it has happened has been in similar lighting situations
This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO
Whosdaman said:
This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO
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At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.
tintingkc said:
At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.
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Yeah nokia has some amazing cameras on their phones think of if nokia made a android... that would be amazing xD i love their build quality and phones just.. symbian ew
tell me about it
http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/

Shooting Pictures in BURST mode gives noticable better Image Quality

Due to some findings of a Member in a German Forum.
The difference is clearly noticable
Shot in normal Mode
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=_normalsbyfg.jpg
Shot with Burst Mode
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=burstjgxhj.jpg
Probably one of the Devs can work out how to get the same image quality into normal Photo Shots
All credits go to stream1 @android-hilfe.de
Burst mode shot with sharper details.
zaynal said:
Burst mode shot with sharper details.
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to me (as a photographer, not a modder/hacker) it looks like they do no noise reduction. Which makes sense because this takes processing time (even with DSLR's). so probably thats why. I'd love to be able to turn off the dreaded noise reduction/sharpening (actually all post processing) and do it afterwards in photoshop/lightroom if i care.
This difference is ridiculous. I just tested it out myself...bad Sony.
Lucky it shows the sensor has potential though!
burst on:
http://i.imgur.com/a4ptsKd.jpg
burst off:
http://i.imgur.com/SWUhAKw.jpg
Very strange why this happen!
Why the hell Sony process their image so bad and so much?
BTW which burst mode do you use? Hi, Lo or Mid? Mid has better resolution
Similar results. Why is BURST so much better? What's up with that?
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Similar results. Why is BURST so much better? What's up with that?
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less image processing for burst mode! as the user said above ....no denoise.
So we have the choice between Noisy or Blurred pictures! Hooray!
JPWOA said:
Why the hell Sony process their image so bad and so much?
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That is really good question! Maybe the sun is different in Japan, or they calibrated the sensor on their secret Moonbase! jk...
Either they created the noise reduction in a labor only with artificial light, or they ported the noise reduction from previous sensors to the Exmor-RS sensor (Xperia Z is the first phone to use the new sensor, right?)
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BTW which burst mode do you use? Hi, Lo or Mid? Mid has better resolution
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Can't blame you! I can choose between:
Hi: 1280x720
Mid: 3920x2204
Lo: 1920x1080
WTF sony ?
Oh..... here one more in Indors, Light is on but it's still kinda Dark!
The anti noise filter does kinda good in bad lit rooms!
Burst:
http://i.imgur.com/FTRcvPF.jpg
iAuto:
http://i.imgur.com/bo04nVV.jpg
One more with Light off, Smartphone light on!
Burst:
http://i.imgur.com/FTZnuqf.jpg
iAuto:
http://i.imgur.com/ieqYm5X.jpg
Modify
So.. the question now is... is there any devs that can turn this function of?
Maby make a new apk for camera?
I dare you..
Amazing. Hopefully Sony take a look and update the normal mode to look like this.
Contact Sony
Go to your local Sony site (uk,usa etc) find the contact section and choose phone and type in the issue, lets see if we can get Sony to fix this
i used burst mid.
This is an awesome find. Finally everyone will see that there is in fact something wrong with the software and that it needs to be fixed.
SONY ARE YOU READING THIS???
It would be amazing if someone could do a comparison between these burst mode photos and other popular phones like the iPhone 5, GS3, Lumia 920 or Pureview 808. Considering how much sharper and better things look overall in burst mode, I'm very curious how this now stacks up against the competition.
Here are some pictures from burst mode, you can check the complete album with more high resolution pics here: Burst album
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Here some more comparission shot in bright Daylight!
Burst:
http://i.imgur.com/bPC5Lzi.jpg
iAutomatic:
http://i.imgur.com/f3YryS2.jpg
Burst2:
http://i.imgur.com/8amHz4v.jpg
iAutomatic2:
http://i.imgur.com/ZcAIouy.jpg
Thats horrible!
BTW: There is not even a Support Page for the Z yet...
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/phones/
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/contact-us/country/en_US/
Chose Location, set topic to Phones (E-Mail support) and write
Haldi4803 said:
BTW: There is not even a Support Page for the Z yet...
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/phones/
http://www.sonymobile.com/us/support/contact-us/country/en_US/
Chose Location, set topic to Phones (E-Mail support) and write
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Because it's not on sale in the US!
You can find it here: http://talk.sonymobile.com/community/support/xperia_z_zl
For me personally i think that the camera is not to good. I have tried a variety of settings but my pictures look washed out with an opaque appearance. I have read similar reviews to this and can only hope that an update will rectify said issues.
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Here are some pictures from burst mode, you can check the complete album with more high resolution pics here: Burst album
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Are you using the mid settings here mate?
Seriously we need to be louder to point sony their mistake ..damn hillarious!
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lyndonguti said:
Are you using the mid settings here mate?
Seriously we need to be louder to point sony their mistake ..damn hillarious!
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yes, mid setting

Anyone having trouble turning off "make up" mode on the front-facing camera?

Anyone having trouble turning off "make up" mode on the front-facing camera?
I know there's the slider at the bottom of the screen when taking a front-facing photo, but I have it at zero, and it's still adding QUITE A BIT of "smoothing" or "make up" to the photo. I'm not sure what the official term is. Is there a way to shut it off completely?
Here's an example:
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unfortunately it's the noise reduction it seems for the ffc. can't turn it off completely so it's terrible in low light. got that oil painting look, as we used to call it with the g2.
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jayochs said:
unfortunately it's the noise reduction it seems for the ffc. can't turn it off completely so it's terrible in low light. got that oil painting look, as we used to call it with the g2.
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Exactly. I remember the default setting being on 3 or something when I first got the phone, and I turned it to 0 and it was normal. But since I took a couple of updates this week, it seems I can't turn it off completely. Just awful.
Can't give you a full run down as to what is going on without seeing the exif information from the photo but there's a few things possibly going on here to keep in mind. (I'm assuming we are not looking at the full image but just a crop?)
First, I'm not sure how they're making the normal/wide thing work for the FFC. I'm guessing that they're just cropping the wide angle sensor data to give the normal view but that's not what the image properties say when viewing images on the phone. They say the same exact image size. I'm thinking this isn't true. I can't believe that they have a lens that actually zooms on a FFC module or there would be one on the back of every cellphone that these companies would be bragging about. So my guess is that the image properties is just writing the settings and not the actual image data. This means that if you are using the full setting for the sensor (5mp supposedly) you are only getting a full 5mp if you're shooting the wide angle. The regular view will be noticeably less.
Which brings me to point #2. Just like on the main camera around back, it isn't defaulting to using the full sensor. Instead, they opt to default to a 16x9 which is only 3.7mp. So if you're shooting the default AND normal mode, you're looking at less than 3.7mp. (Oh, and about that 5mp? It only shows up as 4.9 in the image properties.)
Then yes, there's the noise reduction. Which they seemed to have decided to err on the side of over applying than under applying. But here's the thing. To see this on a full resolution shot, I have to zoom in further than the intended viewing "distance". The problem is that images coming out of cellphones just aren't up to the task of being cropped aggressively. Heck, you really have to get to a much larger sensor before even thinking about that. Some 1" sensors can kind of do OK but I'd say you would want to get to at least a four thirds or dx sized sensor before considering cropping a lot. Even then, you're usually in the territory of swappable lenses which is preferred over cropping. Cropping is always last resort.
Edit to add, as for the question about shutting it off completely..... the beauty thing is most likely off when it hits zero and everything else you see is just noise reduction. The best way to minimize noise reduction is to be shooting at base ISO which means shooting with A LOT of light. Think daylight. Shooting in normal indoor lighting usually isn't enough as we tend to keep our lighting pretty soft, even when you don't think it is. (also for power savings and keep heat down) If you want to make sure the absolute minimum noise reduction is going on, shoot RAW which means shooting the main sensor on the other side. I don't think RAW is available on the FFC? RAW shots will show you everything coming off the sensor in all its "glory". This goes for any camera. Just be warned, for cellphone camera sensors, this will not be pretty.

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