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Guys, I'm on stock 4.2.2 MGG firmware. That's how my devices came out of the box.
I rooted it just out of the box even before I put the screen protector, so now the knox flag is 0x1.
What will happen now? Will I be ever able to update to 4.3? or install ANY custom roms from the devs?
I rad the QA thread about knox, but its really unclear and there's some cross information.
The device is I9505
Thanks in advance.
bidav1 said:
Guys, I'm on stock 4.2.2 MGG firmware. That's how my devices came out of the box.
I rooted it just out of the box even before I put the screen protector, so now the knox flag is 0x1.
What will happen now? Will I be ever able to update to 4.3? or install ANY custom roms from the devs?
I rad the QA thread about knox, but its really unclear and there's some cross information.
The device is I9505
Thanks in advance.
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The flag won't stop you doing anything with your phone at all, the only difference is that Samsung may now not honour any warranty claims for your handset.
There's also the few issues with root access not working properly with KNOX installed, but that happens with or without the flag being tripped, it's just a feature of KNOW.
Dan1909 said:
The flag won't stop you doing anything with your phone at all, the only difference is that Samsung may now not honour any warranty claims for your handset.
There's also the few issues with root access not working properly with KNOX installed, but that happens with or without the flag being tripped, it's just a feature of KNOW.
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Dan,
From what I understand I won't be able to downgrade or upgrade to knox enabled firmwares at all since my device is now compromised.. 4.3 HAS knox in it. Am I wrong?
bidav1 said:
Dan,
From what I understand I won't be able to downgrade or upgrade to knox enabled firmwares at all since my device is now compromised.. 4.3 HAS knox in it. Am I wrong?
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Ah, yes I forgot about that. You won't be able to downgrade (at least not easily) to non-KNOW firmwares. However there's not really any reason to now that you've already tripped the flag, so you're not missing out on anything there.
I think that's all there is, although I could be wrong.
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Ah, yes I forgot about that. You won't be able to downgrade (at least not easily) to non-KNOW firmwares. However there's not really any reason to now that you've already tripped the flag, so you're not missing out on anything there.
I think that's all there is, although I could be wrong.
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Thing is that I'm on 4.2.2 now, and want to UPGRADE to 4.3. but 4.3 is a knox enabled firmware so it seems from what I understand is impossible?
I was also on 4.2.2 with knox status 0x1. I have flashed the leaked 4.3 firmware with knox without any problems so dont worry
Sent from my GT-I9505 using xda app-developers app
Upgrading to a higher fw will always work, even if knox is triggered. Only downgrade won't work or maybe will hardbrick your device.
Sent from my flying Galaxy S4 GT-I9505
From reading around on the forum and asking on IRC I have tried to figure out exactly how KNOX works. This is my conclusion, but I am far from sure this is correct.
If someone can give me more information, I would be happy
On a GT-I9506 with the stock 4.2.2 bootloader, using ODIN to flash custom software does not do anything special since the 4.2.2 bootloader does not contain the KNOX functionality to burn the e-fuse.
On a GT-I9506 that has been upgraded and has the 4.3 bootloader, using ODIN to flash new unsigned software will burn the e-fuse.
This post has been edited/updated with information from the thread below.
tlund said:
From reading around on the forum and asking on IRC I have tried to figure out exactly how KNOX works. This is my conclusion, but I am far from sure this is correct.
If someone can give me more information, I would be happy
On a GT-I9506 with the stock 4.2.2 bootloader, using ODIN to flash new software does not do anything special since the 4.2.2 bootloader does not contain the KNOX functionality to burn the e-fuse.
On a GT-I9506 that has been upgraded and has the 4.3 bootloader, using ODIN to flash new software will burn the e-fuse.
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Semi-correct, with 4.2.2 bootloader you doesn't have knox, but with 4.3 bootloader you have knox, but you can flash a new official rom with Odin without affect the knox status. It only will change to 0x1 if you flash something unnoficial with Odin, like a custom recovery, kernel, root, etc... but know you can root in 4.3 wirh towelroot.
Enviado desde mi GT-I9506 mediante Tapatalk
Alestilohomer said:
Semi-correct, with 4.2.2 bootloader you doesn't have knox, but with 4.3 bootloader you have knox, but you can flash a new official rom with Odin without affect the knox status. It only will change to 0x1 if you flash something unnoficial with Odin
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Ah, yes. This is my understanding as well, I was unclear in my post. I will edit it to reflect this!
Alestilohomer said:
but know you can root in 4.3 wirh towelroot.
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Yeah. It would be interesting to find out if you can downgrade the 4.3 bootloader to 4.2.2 after getting root with towelroot, without burning the KNOX e-fuse
Hey friends:
im a normal member and everything above is only sharing
So you may get upset because of this thread
but i'll make things clear, everytime i open Q&A forum i see repeated questions everywhere
so here ill put some repeated answers about those stuff above
1. knox: well when you buy a new galaxy s5 the knox state will be 0*0 , but when you root your phone, flash custom recovery,custom kernel or custom rom this will trip knox and the knox state will be 0*1 and your warrenty will be void.
P.S: flashing firmware via odin will not trip knox
- so if you want to root without tripping knox you can go to this website : http://www.towelroot.com install apk by pressing the sign.
you will be able to root your phone quick from the phone itself but only if your phone on firmware from 3rd june or less
or your phone will not be rooted, but you can also root it by chainfire method from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2696537
you can also use mobile odin to flash firmwares but be carefull to be sure about your phone model.
you can install the app from playstore or from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899
P.S: firmwares can be downloaded from here : http://www.sammobile.com
i hope you Moderators understand me and dont get angry or close this thread because im only sharing and thought it will help my friends and the new forum members.
and at last im a member and i have the right to post what it usefull to xda community
hope that i helped.
Is is possible to use any Odin (I have 3 or 4 on my downloads) to flash stock over unlocked O2?
swipermusic said:
Is is possible to use any Odin (I have 3 or 4 on my downloads) to flash stock over unlocked O2?
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to flash firmware you can use computer odin v3.09 and then extract the md5 file from the firmware zip and put it in AP in odin (and maybe different version of odin says PDA)
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What about "System Status", in recovery I have a "System Status: Custom", knox 0x0 though, I'm rooted and use Xposed, what does this mean? how can I reverse it to "OFFICIAL", is this important when it comes to warranty?
THANKS! :highfive: :good: :fingers-crossed:
aguarello said:
What about "System Status", in recovery I have a "System Status: Custom", knox 0x0 though, I'm rooted and use Xposed, what does this mean? how can I reverse it to "OFFICIAL", is this important when it comes to warranty?
THANKS! :highfive: :good: :fingers-crossed:
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well i think its not so important.
and look in settings>>about>>states
is it official or custom?
Galaxy_Guy said:
well i think its not so important.
and look in settings>>about>>states
is it official or custom?
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Custom
aguarello said:
Custom
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means your system has been modified and no OTA's will be available
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wajiman said:
means your system has been modified and no OTA's will be available
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I don't care about OTA's, but how does this impacts warranty? Can be reversed to "Official?
Thanks man I really appreciate your help.
aguarello said:
What about "System Status", in recovery I have a "System Status: Custom", knox 0x0 though, I'm rooted and use Xposed, what does this mean? how can I reverse it to "OFFICIAL", is this important when it comes to warranty?
THANKS! :highfive: :good: :fingers-crossed:
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Use Triangle Away by chainfire, the system status will be reverted to Official.
This Thread - Fully redundant
pda4g said:
This Thread - Fully redundant
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but its usefull for some new S5 users, its not necessary to be usefull for you.
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Luckzao said:
Use Triangle Away by chainfire, the system status will be reverted to Official.
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Will this be permanent or the status will be just "faked"?
thanks! :victory:
aguarello said:
Will this be permanent or the status will be just "faked"?
thanks! :victory:
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AFAIK it will be fake, the only way to officially convert it to original is, uninstall root reboot and then reinstall root and SuperSU to user directory, not to system. This method worked for Roms prior to 3rd June.
wajiman said:
AFAIK it will be fake, the only way to officially convert it to original is, uninstall root reboot and then reinstall root and SuperSU to user directory, not to system. This method worked for Roms prior to 3rd June.
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Ughhhh should have know that before updating and installing SuperSU to system... So no way to revert it if ROM is posterior to 3rd June? Even flashing official ROM again without root? :crying:
THANKS!
aguarello said:
Ughhhh should have know that before updating and installing SuperSU to system... So no way to revert it if ROM is posterior to 3rd June? Even flashing official ROM again without root? :crying:
THANKS!
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Yes you can downgrade, i downgraded from NG2 to NE2 myself without problems. Just flash the NE2 rom with Odin and data factory reset afterwards. Then use TR to root again.
gee2012 said:
Yes you can downgrade, i downgraded from NG2 to NE2 myself without problems. Just flash the NE2 rom with Odin and data factory reset afterwards. Then use TR to root again.
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Downgrade is possible without tripp knox,without problems?
AEkiz said:
Downgrade is possible without tripp knox,without problems?
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Yes, KNOX is still 0x0 for me after the downgrade and the bootloader is downgraded to the NE2 one.
gee2012 said:
Yes, KNOX is still 0x0 for me after the downgrade and the bootloader is downgraded to the NE2 one.
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Thanks for your reply
maybe I'll try tomorrow
gee2012 said:
Yes you can downgrade, i downgraded from NG2 to NE2 myself without problems. Just flash the NE2 rom with Odin and data factory reset afterwards. Then use TR to root again.
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THANKS! To downgrade you just have to flash the NE2 rom? No more files? Sorry I'm kind of a noob
aguarello said:
THANKS! To downgrade you just have to flash the NE2 rom? No more files? Sorry I'm kind of a noob
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Yes, i only flashed the older firmware without a extra PIT file or bootloader file. Make sure to untick Auto Reboot first in Odin, after the flash pull the battery, wait for 10-20 seconds, boot into recovery and do a data factory reset and then the phone should boot normal and both the firmware and bootloader are downgraded to NE2 and KNOX remains 0x0. At least it worked for me this way and i expect it to work for others the same way
Hi,
Its been a few years since ive Rooted or been ontop of the forums ect.
Just wanted to let other people know my experience with Un-Rooting my S5 GM-900F
- Rooted with Odin + tar file
- Un-Rooted with Super SU
- Typically their is now an update available but cannot update as Samsung recognise that the phone was previously rooted.
- On a PC or Mac download Kies and update.
- Nothing has flagged up with any counters, did not experience any problems with KNOX
Hope this helps everyone.
MaxiBizzle said:
Hi,
Its been a few years since ive Rooted or been ontop of the forums ect.
Just wanted to let other people know my experience with Un-Rooting my S5 GM-900F
- Rooted with Odin + tar file
- Un-Rooted with Super SU
- Typically their is now an update available but cannot update as Samsung recognise that the phone was previously rooted.
- On a PC or Mac download Kies and update.
- Nothing has flagged up with any counters, did not experience any problems with KNOX
Hope this helps everyone.
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Using CF Auto Root increases your flash counter and trips the KNOX warranty flag!
Unrooting with SuperSU and updating with Kies have reset the KNOX WARRANTY VOID to 0x0?!
Until now, it was impossible to reset KNOX!!!
Please confirm
castillofr said:
Using CF Auto Root increases your flash counter and trips the KNOX warranty flag!
Unrooting with SuperSU and updating with Kies have reset the KNOX WARRANTY VOID to 0x0?!
Until now, it was impossible to reset KNOX!!!
Please confirm
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Not true, KNOX will still say 0x1 after unrooting, he probably means the system status and binaries are reset to Official again.
castillofr said:
Using CF Auto Root increases your flash counter and trips the KNOX warranty flag!
Unrooting with SuperSU and updating with Kies have reset the KNOX WARRANTY VOID to 0x0?!
Until now, it was impossible to reset KNOX!!!
Please confirm
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Hi,
Well the uninstall of SuperSU went ahead with no problems, a box did flag up saying something about would you like to disable KNOX before continuing and just confirmed it.
Since the Un-Root, i have just opened KNOX again and havent had any problems at all. I did complete a factory reset just for my OCD needs with it and nothing has been triggered and no flags or counters. Still have the KNOX app with the set up wizard client available to get it going if i ever need it again so..
Didnt realise that people where having a problem with KNOX if im honest, when i finish work i shall have a play around with it and update this if i encounter any problems.
gee2012 said:
Not true, KNOX will still say 0x1 after unrooting, he probably means the system status and binaries are reset to Official again.
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This might well be the case, i dont fully understand all of the tech terms regarding the binaries but only have a little knowledge when it comes to checking the counters and any flags or problems.
- Say for example that KNOX was tripped, a) What would happen and when/where would i encounter a problem and b) Is their any detrimental effect on the overall phone or just for KNOX?
Regards.
MaxiBizzle said:
This might well be the case, i dont fully understand all of the tech terms regarding the binaries but only have a little knowledge when it comes to checking the counters and any flags or problems.
- Say for example that KNOX was tripped, a) What would happen and when/where would i encounter a problem and b) Is their any detrimental effect on the overall phone or just for KNOX?
Regards.
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KNOX, Private Mode and off course warranty are affected when the KNOX void flag says 0x1 and you are rooted. If you unrooted correctly as discribed by the OP Knox and Private Mode should work again after you flashed a stock rom.
gaudent 206854
gee2012 said:
KNOX, Private Mode and off course warranty are affected when the KNOX void flag says 0x1. If you unrooted correctly as discribed by the OP Knox and Private Mode should work again if you flashed a stock rom.
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Hi,
Well KNOX is working as it did the first day i got the S5 and havent encountered any problems nor seen any flags. IF their were to be a void flag 0x1 where would i see this?
I was just nosing around on the forums and saw that alot of people were Un-Rooting via SuperSU and then using Kies to then boot the stock rom.
Thanks for your help and advice. Sorry this seemed like a dud thread!
MaxiBizzle said:
Hi,
Well KNOX is working as it did the first day i got the S5 and havent encountered any problems nor seen any flags. IF their were to be a void flag 0x1 where would i see this?
I was just nosing around on the forums and saw that alot of people were Un-Rooting via SuperSU and then using Kies to then boot the stock rom.
Thanks for your help and advice. Sorry this seemed like a dud thread!
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KNOX is only tripped intentionaly (not by accident), that is if you root with CF Auto Root or flash a custom recovery or kernel with (Mobile) Odin.
kararye and
gee2012 said:
KNOX is only tripped intentionaly (not by accident), that is if you root with CF Auto Root or flash a custom recovery or kernel with (Mobile) Odin.
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Ok no worries. Completed the Root with Odin v3.09 i believe, did not flash any custom roms or anything was just playing around with xposed installer, Mobile Odin was never used.
Not sure if that makes any difference?
MaxiBizzle said:
Ok no worries. Completed the Root with Odin v3.09 i believe, did not flash any custom roms or anything was just playing around with xposed installer, Mobile Odin was never used.
Not sure if that makes any difference?
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What what software did you root with Odin? If you used CF Root your flag is 0x1.
gee2012 said:
What what software did you root with Odin? If you used CF Root your flag is 0x1.
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Hi,
Oh right i see what you mean now, sorry for the delay. It was CF-Root
MaxiBizzle said:
Hi,
Oh right i see what you mean now, sorry for the delay. It was CF-Root
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As you live in the EU warranty for the device is still valid when rooted/tripped KNOX unless the manufacturer can prove the issue is caused by rooting.
gee2012 said:
As you live in the EU warranty for the device is still valid when rooted/tripped KNOX unless the manufacturer can prove the issue is caused by rooting.
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Hi,
Oh right i didnt know that. Is it just within the EU that the warranty is still valid? Are their any other countries that are the same?
Just a general question then, with regarding the voidance of KNOX or anything, would that only effect me if i wanted to send the phone back for whatever reason? The counters for example wouldnt made a difference for my phone and daily useage anyway so if i just keep the phone and continue to not having any problems i could have as many counters on it as possible?
Just getting my head around the whole void/counters thing.
MaxiBizzle said:
Hi,
Oh right i didnt know that. Is it just within the EU that the warranty is still valid? Are their any other countries that are the same?
Just a general question then, with regarding the voidance of KNOX or anything, would that only effect me if i wanted to send the phone back for whatever reason? The counters for example wouldnt made a difference for my phone and daily useage anyway so if i just keep the phone and continue to not having any problems i could have as many counters on it as possible?
Just getting my head around the whole void/counters thing.
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Afaik only in the EU by EU law wich superceeds OEM terms/conditions.
gee2012 said:
KNOX, Private Mode and off course warranty are affected when the KNOX void flag says 0x1 and you are rooted. If you unrooted correctly as discribed by the OP Knox and Private Mode should work again after you flashed a stock rom.
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I have currently official status but Knox 0x1.
The one & only thing concerned then is warranty. Knox based apps and all others should work as before Knox 0x1.
Hawke84 said: "If the Knox warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use knox softwareas your device has been flagged as insecure. By this i mean that if your workplace / company supports bring your own device to work for corporate emails etc and they use knox to keep security your device will not allow this. You are still able to use future samsung firmware releases with the knox flag 0x1. hope this makes sense. sorry for any confusion this has caused!"
Hi All,
Is there a way to reflash stock firmware without tripping knoxx?
I'm using offical H3G MJ3 firmware without root and I've started getting random reboots. I've tried a factory reset several times and have also gone through my apps to see if any of them are causing it.
I've read conflicting reports saying If I flash official firmware (even if the same) in odin it will trip Knox. Will flashing through kies trip knox aswell?
I'd rather keep Knox 0x0 as I believe it will break MHL if i void it
Thanks
What device do you own?
It's an I9505.
Cheers
symondo12 said:
It's an I9505.
Cheers
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The latest firmware for your phone is this ONE. Installing one stock firmware don't touch KNOX state if you flash it correctly.
Joku1981 said:
The latest firmware for your phone is this ONE. Installing one stock firmware don't touch KNOX state if you flash it correctly.
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Thanks for your reply and providing the link but I already have the firmware. I just need clarification that if I flash the firmware via Odin or kies will it trip knox
Thanks