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How future proof...

The title says it all really, but just wondering how future proof everyone sees the GT 10.1 being???
I know that no tech device these days is safe from being outdated pretty quick, but what "life span" does the GT 10.1 have taking into consideration the Tegra Chipset and its age. Also how many Android updates will be compatible in the future???
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extrememonkey said:
The title says it all really, but just wondering how future proof everyone sees the GT 10.1 being???
I know that no tech device these days is safe from being outdated pretty quick, but what "life span" does the GT 10.1 have taking into consideration the Tegra Chipset and its age. Also how many Android updates will be compatible in the future???
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Not much. I knew that before buying it since it was purchased to replace the ipad that i had
1. Kal-el tablets are right around the corner
2. Higher res screen should be getting released early next year
3. Tegra2 isn't all that great. Not enough native codec support for multimedia

I figured I would get 12-18 months out of the GTab 10.1 before turning it over to one of my sons and getting something newer/fresher. More importantly, I am thinking I won't be buying any $2000 laptops in the near future (say 3-5 years), so the ROI is decent.
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Well the battary will last you around 3 years, its still a decend product 1GB Ram and dual core 1GHz truely isnt that bad. If you can wait atleast 2 of those 3 years you can get a really nice Wayne or Logan tablet (tegra 4 & 5) which will be an extremely big upgrade. With that i bet Android 4.0 Icecream sandwich.

I'm just looking to use mine until the second round of kal el tablets are released which should be a bit more optimized than the launch devices. Tablets really aren't all that expensive imo to prohibit frequent upgrades.
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Tablets really aren't all that expensive imo to prohibit frequent upgrades.
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Considering it cost me more to replace my Charge (that went surreptitiously "swimming" in a lake) than to buy the GTab 10.1, you make a good point.
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If you want h264 1080p high profile video and a faster 3D gaming experience, this tablet will be out of date by early 2012.
If are looking for a great web browsing experience and productivity ... this tablet is more then fast enough. It already provides a beautiful browsing experience that is nearly as fast as a desktop.

For reading mags, browsing webpages ocasional gaming and watching films this is more than good enough.
For hardcore gaming and 1080p video its going to be out of date by end of the year.
But than again... Who on eabrth watches 1080p on 10inch screen?
What sort of games you're going to play on it?
I'm guessing that with new retina displays for tablets tegra 3 will be to weak.
Compare desire hd with 800x480 screen and xperia mini with half of that screen resolution. Scrolling and overall framerate of the system is a lot better on xperia.
Try to run any 3d game that was designed for 800x480 screen and run the same game on 1280x800 honeycomb screen. This game framerate will be a lot slower.
Apparently tegra 2 is a lot lot faster than any single core cpu on mobile device and yet it can't run games designed for smaller screens.
See the irony here?
With bigger resolution you need more processing power.
Try to run reckless gateway on any phone and run this on tablet...
My point is whatever you buy its not going to be enough. Get the galaxy tab and enjoy for next couple of years
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And you can always sell the outgoing tablet to help make financial room for the new. Imo get the galaxy tab and enjoy it. Worst case scenario you can always sell and get the latest and greatest down the road. Quirks aside, I, love this device.
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MattSkeet said:
For reading mags, browsing webpages ocasional gaming and watching films this is more than good enough.
For hardcore gaming and 1080p video its going to be out of date by end of the year.
But than again... Who on eabrth watches 1080p on 10inch screen?
What sort of games you're going to play on it?
I'm guessing that with new retina displays for tablets tegra 3 will be to weak.
Compare desire hd with 800x480 screen and xperia mini with half of that screen resolution. Scrolling and overall framerate of the system is a lot better on xperia.
Try to run any 3d game that was designed for 800x480 screen and run the same game on 1280x800 honeycomb screen. This game framerate will be a lot slower.
Apparently tegra 2 is a lot lot faster than any single core cpu on mobile device and yet it can't run games designed for smaller screens.
See the irony here?
With bigger resolution you need more processing power.
Try to run reckless gateway on any phone and run this on tablet...
My point is whatever you buy its not going to be enough. Get the galaxy tab and enjoy for next couple of years
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Based on my experience watching the same 720p video clip on the galaxy s2 and galaxy tab 10.1, i wouldn't mind a bit more resolution on the galaxy tab 10.1. In comparison to tegra2 setups on cell phones, exynos + mali400mp setup in the galaxy s2 might be more than enough to drive those resolutions (iirc, prior to the release of galaxy s2, there was a tech demo showing 1080p demo game running at 60fps on tv)
Found it: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/

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Based on my experience watching the same 720p video clip on the galaxy s2 and galaxy tab 10.1, i wouldn't mind a bit more resolution on the galaxy tab 10.1. In comparison to tegra2 setups on cell phones, exynos + mali400mp setup in the galaxy s2 might be more than enough to drive those resolutions (iirc, prior to the release of galaxy s2, there was a tech demo showing 1080p demo game running at 60fps on tv)
Found it: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
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And I fully expect to see an Exynos, or Exynos Plus or Super Exynos, or Super Exynos Plus running in a Galaxy Tablet in the future. But that's, well, the future.
This is now.
I may be dead in Q1 of next year, you may be as well. Waiting more than a few weeks is a sucker bet when buying tech, especially when you're waiting for unannounced speculative products that may or may not be all you were waiting for.

ph00ny said:
Based on my experience watching the same 720p video clip on the galaxy s2 and galaxy tab 10.1, i wouldn't mind a bit more resolution on the galaxy tab 10.1. In comparison to tegra2 setups on cell phones, exynos + mali400mp setup in the galaxy s2 might be more than enough to drive those resolutions (iirc, prior to the release of galaxy s2, there was a tech demo showing 1080p demo game running at 60fps on tv)
Found it: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
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Sorry but don't get me wrong.
Remember that this chip built in to the phone needs to run an os, wifi cdma other tasks at the same time. On this video you have pure chip.
Remember that demos of tegra 2 had similar presentation. 1080p on the tv 60fps and that was year a go.
I've had few apps that didn't scale right on my gtab (just tiny window) and they were running perfectly smooth whereas on my dhd I had some lag and glitches.
I just don't think that with kalel there will be so much improvement especially with retina displays
I don't have tegra 2 phone but bang bang racing on gtab/transformer never went above 30 fps, i bet any money that on smaller screen this game is smooth as butter.
Also gouriella bob, try playing normal version and thd. Tegra 2 cannot handle thd version on 10 inch screen its just not smooth enough
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MattSkeet said:
Sorry but don't get me wrong.
Remember that this chip built in to the phone needs to run an os, wifi cdma other tasks at the same time. On this video you have pure chip.
Remember that demos of tegra 2 had similar presentation. 1080p on the tv 60fps and that was year a go.
I've had few apps that didn't scale right on my gtab (just tiny window) and they were running perfectly smooth whereas on my dhd I had some lag and glitches.
I just don't think that with kalel there will be so much improvement especially with retina displays
I don't have tegra 2 phone but bang bang racing on gtab/transformer never went above 30 fps, i bet any money that on smaller screen this game is smooth as butter.
Also gouriella bob, try playing normal version and thd. Tegra 2 cannot handle thd version on 10 inch screen its just not smooth enough
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Don't forget the fact that SGS2 with chainfire is able to run the same games designed for Tegra with quite a bit of AA turned on(16x in some cases)
This is before we get into the media decoding capabilities builtin.
As for the demo, they did say that same thing ran in stereoscopic 1080p at 60fps which means processing two separate 1080p rendering at 60fps (it's capped to 60fps)

a year maybe!

There is no such thing as future proof.
We need a new forum, just for people who want to discuss USING the tablet, not asking the community to validate their purchase or complain that it's not as good as XYZ tablet. Seems like every second thread is this nonsense.

slack04 said:
There is no such thing as future proof.
We need a new forum, just for people who want to discuss USING the tablet, not asking the community to validate their purchase or complain that it's not as good as XYZ tablet. Seems like every second thread is this nonsense.
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if thats your attitude then maybe we should set up a forum for grumpy old men who waste there time commenting on posts that dont interest them!!!
Nobody forced you to read this thread, the title is quiet obvious so no need to even open it, let alone post a pointless and bittef comment
Now as its Sunday I suggest you sit down and relax and have a beer or two....
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To be honest this thing will be obsolete by the time nVidia's Kal-El releases. But I'm completely satisfied with my tab 10.1 and could care less what new specs tablets come out with later. This thing is fast enough for my needs and has better hardware than an iPad 2, albeit minus the plastic back but the metallic gray still looks cool. Before this thing came out, my only wish was for a tablet as thin as the iPad 2 but with Android instead.

Danstek said:
To be honest this thing will be obsolete by the time nVidia's Kal-El releases. But I'm completely satisfied with my tab 10.1 and could care less what new specs tablets come out with later. This thing is fast enough for my needs and has better hardware than an iPad 2, albeit minus the plastic back but the metallic gray still looks cool. Before this thing came out, my only wish was for a tablet as thin as the iPad 2 but with Android instead.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying tegra2 implementation is superior to ipad2's A5 + SGX543MP setup. Simply because of the fact that single core SGX540 setup is very comparable to tegra2 in a lot of ways on android side and there is no NEON support on Tegra2's A9 setup

Does a 7.7 make sense when a flood of new Tegra3 tablets will be out very soon?

Firstly, I know there is always "something new around the corner"... however i've been in the tech game a long time and as such I generally know how to read the ebbs and tides of generation technology pretty well when making new purchases. For me, if the current generation has been out for a year or so, and a new generation of technology is within a couple months away, then I will usually hold off buying until the new tech arrives. To me, it doesn't make sense buying something tagged as a premium piece of technology, that I know through staying as well-informed as I can be, will be superceded within such a short time.
However, the Galaxy Tab 7.7 is posing something of a dilemma in this regard.
In the favour of Tegra3, it is faster in gaming and general usage than the Exynos, to varying degrees based on what you are using it for (ie: while for general usage like 2D and browsing not so much and probably not nooticeable, for 3D-intensive gaming there will be quite a big difference). While the performance increases overall may not be absolutely stellar, for example the Exynos is still a beast and will play high bit-rate 1080p content smoothly, they are still there, and the Tegra3 will likely also usher in a new generation of games and graphical content. It will also come with ICS as standard.
In the favour of the Samsung 7.7 and Exynos, as I said it WILL play high bitrate HD content smoothly, and has the Super AMOLED+ screen, which is 100% unique in the tablet market as opposed to everyone elses mainstream IPS tech. However, it also seems to still have some issues resulting in burn-in and some quality defects which are common to SAMOLED+ technology, but I guess more noticeable in this size range. It also ships with Honeycomb, which is a little disappointing at this stage.
My dilemma is, with the new generation of Tegra 3-based ICS tablets due within the next couple of months, and possibly the new Exynos chipset due shortly after that, does it still make sense to buy the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 at this point? If I had been facing this decision 4 months ago then the answer would have been an unequivolcal and resounding HELL YES, however with the heavy delay this tablet was subjected to it is now facing big competition from very well-specified and featured tablets, due within the next 2 months, that are also in many cases going to fall well under the price range that this tablet has been placed in.
So, do you think that objectively speaking, and without bias, that the Galaxy Tab 7.7 with it's unique (if not unproblematic) Super AMOLED+ screen and first-generation Exynos chipset still represents a worthy purchase at this stage in the game and at the price-point it has been set at?
Thoughts?

The delay certainly makes the decision difficult at this point, I really love the 7.7 but I think if you can wait the ASUS 7inch model for $250 with a Tegra III inside is the better bet (or as you say one of the updated Exynos tabs).
Interestingly the Mali doesn't seem that far adrift of the Tegra III GPU on ICS, at least as far as benchmarks can tell us. On my Note for example I get 44fps in Nenamark 2, and my Prime gets 45. So as far as the Tegra III being superior I don't know how much the difference really is, and whether it'll actually make a lot of difference to the end user for most purposes.

Got mine for £420 from Hong Kong (16GB with 3g) after a similar bout of agonising and I'm extremely happy with it. Even if newer models come out in the next couple of months tests have shown that the quad core chips don't make a huge difference for most apps because they haven't been written to take advantage of them. The 7.7 is gorgeous now. It's plenty fast enough with great build quality, a fantastic screen, good battery life, fits into my jacket pocket and is so light I have to keep checking that it's still there.
If HD gaming is your thing then it might be worth waiting as games will be the first apps to take advantage of the extra speed. I decided to take the plunge now and upgrade in a year when the apps have caught up with the hardware.
Compared to my original galaxy tab this is a whole different ball game.
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Ok welllllll... I just kind of went out and bought one (3G version). Setting it up now, screen looks awesome so far... but will see how things go over the next hour or two.

Welcome to the club
it all boils down to personal preferences, I bought my SGT P1000 before when the release for 7.7 got postponed (thanks Apple!) I was eyeing for the 7.7 back then. but now that it's out, I grab one amidst the negative feedback on the screen, I'm currently enjoying it and the defects is not noticeable under the way I use it. so far so good.
well, those tegra II's or quadcores will be rendered obsolete as well several months after its release. so it's better to settle on a device that will suit your needs. no need to upgrade all the time just to cope up. Remember that honeycomb and ICS are already there, still, most of the apps are only compatible with the old gingerbread.

I have just ordered a 7.7 and also thought about waiting for this year's crop of new tablets. However, the 7.7 has a very fast processor with plenty of storage, an excellent screen, soon to get ICS and does all the things I want very well.
In the short term it is unlikely to be out-performed significantly and when it is, perhaps in a year or two's time then that is the time to upgrade.

Got my first tab and i am loving it! rather than keep waiting, might as well get 1 and play now!
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ThE_SoUrCe said:
Welcome to the club
it all boils down to personal preferences, I bought my SGT P1000 before when the release for 7.7 got postponed (thanks Apple!) I was eyeing for the 7.7 back then. but now that it's out, I grab one amidst the negative feedback on the screen, I'm currently enjoying it and the defects is not noticeable under the way I use it. so far so good.
well, those tegra II's or quadcores will be rendered obsolete as well several months after its release. so it's better to settle on a device that will suit your needs. no need to upgrade all the time just to cope up. Remember that honeycomb and ICS are already there, still, most of the apps are only compatible with the old gingerbread.
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Don't forget Android 5.0 Jelly Bean, to be released and compete with Windows 8...

The Samsung galaxy tab 7.7 is the best 7 range tablet period. It has 3g talk/text function so its its not just a tablet. If the functionality is what you want and not just wifi..then 7.7 is best of the best. I am loving the 7.7 !!!
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I was in the same boat - waiting around to see how the market was moving. I ended up buying the 7.7. Great well-built device which currently will take a lot of beating. If only it would play the tegra THD games!

sladeywadey said:
I was in the same boat - waiting around to see how the market was moving. I ended up buying the 7.7. Great well-built device which currently will take a lot of beating. If only it would play the tegra THD games!
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That's what Root and Chainfire 3D are for!

a true merger indeed, I don't have to carry two, or three devices literally, I love my tab, it's like taking my laptop with me everywhere I go, I can call whenever I want and receive SMS as well, that's the main selling point for me to grab Samsung made tablets, next is the 3g browsing (we have a promo in our country wherein Facebook is free on my service provider ). Haven't tried the USB On-the-Go yet, still need to find a blueprint so I can make my own adapter
Camera? not that great in the sea of 8MP+ snappers but not that bad either, serves t's purpose well
Video call via Skype ~ flawless!!
Gaming? Bought and Installed Modern Combat III, Superb!! smooth as silk!
lastly, the SAMOLED+ screen! Love it, I just love it.. !
the only thing I hate about this is that I can't stop using it! lol

I love my 7.7, best tablet on the market in my opinion!
I have rooted and installed Chainfire 3D so gaming is outstanding!!!!!!
Suits all of my needs and with ICS coming soon it will be hard to beat.
My 2 cents worth
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What games are you running that take advantage of Chainfire3D?
xmam123 said:
I love my 7.7, best tablet on the market in my opinion!
I have rooted and installed Chainfire 3D so gaming is outstanding!!!!!!
Suits all of my needs and with ICS coming soon it will be hard to beat.
My 2 cents worth
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That's what Root and Chainfire 3D are for!
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yeah I have Chainfire3d on mine - still won't run the Zen pinball and other games. I'm interested to hear from other users that are running the tegra games as to which ones in case I'm doing something wrong.

Forget Tegra 3. Did you see the specs on the Snapdragon S4? Now that looks like a game changer.
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what change? any link? i once read that s4 will use adreno 225, which is not that good and only comparable up to exynos' mali (which is the same with tab 7.7)
tegra 3 is still better
unless like the article said it came with adreno 300 that supposedly on par with playstation 3 / xbox
here's a quote on the wrap up
"So, until we see all that, you’d probably want to go with an Exynos 4212 chip or an OMAP 4470 if you care about gaming a lot–or a Qualcomm S4 if you don’t care about maximum gaming performance as much but still want little power consumption and strong single-threaded performance in a smartphone."
the link to the article:
http://www.androidauthority.com/qua...vs-ti-omap-4470-vs-samsung-exynos-4212-26636/
don't know how accurate is this information though

[Q] Nexus 7 Quad Core Tegra 3 vs. iPad Mini A5

So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.

Chimpsta24 said:
So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.
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The Tegra 3 is a faster chip.

Chimpsta24 said:
So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.
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Cause iPad mini is not even out in stores yet? A good comparison woul just refer to iPad 2 since it uses the exact same specs
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I read somewhere that the Tegra 3 has a faster CPU, while the A5 is better for graphics processing. Don't know how true that is.

This Mini is already outdated. Look for a new one with Retina in 6 months.
Look at the chip, screen, ram, etc. A mini phoney, lol! Glad I have the N7.

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This Mini is already outdated. Look for a new one with Retina in 6 months.
Look at the chip, screen, ram, etc. A mini phoney, lol! Glad I have the N7.
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i also looked forward for the apple announcement, even though i wouldn't buy anyways. but the announcement was really disappointing.
but obviously they don't want to cannibalize their own other products, so this product had to be bad and cheap.

Chimpsta24 said:
So I've done some research around the internet, and couldn't really find any decisive information that made it clear. Which chip is better in terms of graphics, processing, smoothness, etc between the Nexus 7 Quad-Core Tegra 3 or the iPad Mini A5 chip? What are your thoughts folks?.
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Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly. I'm going to check out the iPad Mini when it comes out. The thing stopping me is the price, since I absolutely have to have 32gb on a closed down Apple product.
http://www.redmondpie.com/a5-vs.-a5...-benchmarked-the-winner-is-rather-surprising/
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Toyeboy said:
Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly. I'm going to check out the iPad Mini when it comes out. The thing stopping me is the price, since I absolutely have to have 32gb on a closed down Apple product.
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You make a good point. I own a Nexus 7, and most of Gameloft's games such as Asphalt 7 and Nova 3 aren't as fluid as I'd hoped, especially Nova 3. I had expected the quad core Tegra 3 to run them smoothly, but I guess due to a higher pixel per inch (ppi) rate, it lags. Even with the smoothest custom ROMs. But considering everything else, I love my Nexus 7 in terms of media consumption from browsing the internet, to watching Netflix. And you obviously can't go wrong for the price. It's a great device.
Are there any hopes that the upcoming 32gb Nexus 7 might have some upgraded hardware?

Toyeboy said:
Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly. I'm going to check out the iPad Mini when it comes out. The thing stopping me is the price, since I absolutely have to have 32gb on a closed down Apple product.
http://www.redmondpie.com/a5-vs.-a5...-benchmarked-the-winner-is-rather-surprising/
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Completely unfair comparison. The 1024x768 is a joke... are you kidding me it doesnt even equal the ppi of the ORIGINAL iPhone. Not to mention its an old dual-core. Good job apple taking a step back to move forward :silly:. Those games are not optimized correctly for the N7 but if you compare any Tegra 3 games to the same iOS variant.. the Tegra is going to blow those games away. Shadowgun THD for instance is way better than the iOS variant. And to sit here and say the iPad will be better at gaming. Well of course its not even pushing HD. And to also say you rather have a non HD display to play games is ridiculous. You should rather be saying i wish developers would put more support towards HD displays.
All in all the N7 is still going to win in pricing alone. The 16GB is 130$ cheaper than the 16GB iPad mini. That tablet is a joke and hope it dies off like every other apple flop.

N7 all the way, iPad can keep it's two steps backwards mentality.

Are there any upcoming hardware updates with the 32gb Nexus 7?
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Are there any upcoming hardware updates with the 32gb Nexus 7?
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No, why would there be?

Just curious.
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When it comes to apple they are way overpriced. Cause they think they are the "right" brand and everything else is "off brand" so they put it higher cause people will buy them. And they will
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Wow... did nvidia brainwash the posters here with the "4plus1 COARS + 12 GPU COAR" marketing campaign?
SGX543 in A5 is way faster than tegra's crappy Geforce ULP any time of the day. and at any resolution...
nVidia's biggest fault with T3 is the crappy single-channel memory controller. Notice how a lot of games default to a low resolution on N7 (GTA3, riptide, beach buggy blitz, Horn) because the memory bandwidth can't keep up.
This is also one of the main reasons gameloft games lag. optimization here would mean lowering the resolution and lowering texture quality.
The four A9 cores are good marketing material, but useless for the users because none will notice the difference in speed. It's only good for benchmark whores.
Also, just because you get some special graphics effects on T3 does not make it a faster chip. The game developers were paid by nvidia to do it.
Any other chip can run these effects just fine.
Toyeboy said:
Hello you ask a very good question. I'm going to be brutally honest. The iPad mini is almost certainly going to run all the games more smoothly and it has a lot more games and apps to choose from. I'm not bashing Android, but it really lags behind in tablet specific apps.
The A5 is a good chip, in fact it has superior gpu performance to the Tegra 3. Several factors go into this. The A5 also can maintain better frames per second in games also due to the lower resolution. Try out an iPad 2 and see how fluid it is, sorry but it's still more fluid than the Nexus. This is mainly software here. I honestly wish the Nexus 7 had a lower resolution to get better gaming performance. Gameloft games are the best out there and they are developed specifically for Apple's iOS and go watch a couple videos of the iPad 2 running Asphalt 7, Nova 3, and Modern Combat 3, and then watch it running on Nexus 7. They run really laggy on Nexus 7. Even overclocked the Nexus 7's GPU is not that great and can't run a lot of games fluidly.
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darkchazz said:
Wow... did nvidia brainwash the posters here with the "4plus1 COARS + 12 GPU COAR" marketing campaign?
SGX543 in A5 is way faster than tegra's crappy Geforce ULP any time of the day. and at any resolution...
nVidia's biggest fault with T3 is the crappy single-channel memory controller. Notice how a lot of games default to a low resolution on N7 (GTA3, riptide, beach buggy blitz, Horn) because the memory bandwidth can't keep up.
This is also one of the main reasons gameloft games lag. optimization here would mean lowering the resolution and lowering texture quality.
The four A9 cores are good marketing material, but useless for the users because none will notice the difference in speed. It's only good for benchmark whores.
Also, just because you get some special graphics effects on T3 does not make it a faster chip. The game developers were paid by nvidia to do it.
Any other chip can run these effects just fine.
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You guys are so picky....
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robertc88 said:
This Mini is already outdated. Look for a new one with Retina in 6 months.
Look at the chip, screen, ram, etc. A mini phoney, lol! Glad I have the N7.
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If they release a crappy version first then they can release an "updated" version sometime next year with slightly better everything and the sheep will buy both and double the profits for Apple. Same with the iPad 3/4.
endrancer said:
i also looked forward for the apple announcement, even though i wouldn't buy anyways. but the announcement was really disappointing.
but obviously they don't want to cannibalize their own other products, so this product had to be bad and cheap.
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Actually Apple doesn't mind cannibalizing it's own products. See iPod/iPhone as an example, there is no point in owning both really so people choose one or the other, unless they are part of the Apple cult and buy both just cuz.
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I'm looking forward to a side by side comparison of both running graphic intensive apps and games. But regardless, the nexus 7 wins on the basis of price and customization ability.
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azoller1 said:
When it comes to apple they are way overpriced. Cause they think they are the "right" brand and everything else is "off brand" so they put it higher cause people will buy them. And they will
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If people are buying ipads in droves (which they have and continue to do), then they are clearly not "way overpriced" - they are perfectly priced (notwithstanding any technical comparisons).
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My N7 is as fluid as I would want it, I like the different ROMs and the freedom. And for the price, in my opinion is an absolute steal. In terms of comparing CPUs and GPUs, I haven't looked much into the A5, but I have no complaints with games, especially the tegra optimised games. Stunning quality on a nice detailed screen. I wouldn't touch a 1024x768 screen, nor an overpriced piece of hardware. I look forward to when google release a well priced nexus tablet with 300dpi screen and great hardware support.
Until then, the N7 does it for me.
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[Q] should i buy n4 or sgs4 coming from gnex?

hello guys. i am looking for a new smartphone to replace my galaxy nexus. is a good phone but sometimes it shows his age in some apps.
i live in brazil so i can buy nexus 4 for R$1140 that is 512USD, and galaxy s4 octa is R$1685 that is 755USD. i love pure stock android but the hardware and camera of galaxy s4 is amazing. but the laggy touchwiz and only 9gb of space available makes me a bit worried. so i want to know if the pros of gs4 worth the 243USD more.
thanks
EDIT:i will sell my galaxy nexus for R$800, 359USD.

leandronb said:
hello guys. i am looking for a new smartphone to replace my galaxy nexus. is a good phone but sometimes it shows his age in some apps.
i live in brazil so i can buy nexus 4 for R$1140 that is 512USD, and galaxy s4 octa is R$1685 that is 755USD. i love pure stock android but the hardware and camera of galaxy s4 is amazing. but the laggy touchwiz and only 9gb of space available makes me a bit worried. so i want to know if the pros of gs4 worth the 243USD more.
thanks
EDIT:i will sell my galaxy nexus for R$800, 359USD.
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Can you think of anything the octa core processor can run that the quad core can't? How much is a cell phone camera worth to you? Are you looking to take professional grade photos with a phone? Which device has a better chance of running stock android? I would go with the nexus.
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Man I'm from Brazil too, and I did it, sold my gnexus for R$ 750 and by my Nexus 4. Is perfect I recommend!
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I would go for the Nexus. The Octa in the S4 can only run 4 cores at a time, so it isn't a true octa core processor, its a BIG.little chip. If you have the chance to get an HTC One, then I would go for that for the build quality

leandronb said:
so i want to know if the pros of gs4 worth the 243USD more..
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It depends on how much you value the camera and storage of the GS4 but overall I'd say no, the GS4 isn't worth $243 more.

Thank you guys. After read all the answers I noticed that everyone says that s4 do not worth the additional price. I will sell my gnex and buy a nexus 4. When I put all the pros and cons of both phones for my needing n4 is the winner. My opinion for who is in the same dillema:
S4 pros-
Camera
Raw power
Bigger screen
S4 cons-
More expensive
Touchwiz and Samsung bloat.
Bad big.little management (cluster migration)
Only 9gb for the user in 16gb model.
N4 pros-
Cheaper
Stock android
Lots of Roms that I am already used in gnex like PA.
Can run any game that s4 runs.
N4 Cons-
Smaller screen
Touch not so good as gnex
Camera not so good as s4 but better than gnex, so for me is enough.
So the cons on the n4 will not ruin my experience, is like a PC upgrade I will just upgrade the hardware and run the same software that I used to. Thank you guys to help me decide and save some money.

leandronb said:
Thank you guys. After read all the answers I noticed that everyone says that s4 do not worth the additional price. I will sell my gnex and buy a nexus 4. When I put all the pros and cons of both phones for my needing n4 is the winner. My opinion for who is in the same dillema:
S4 pros-
Camera
Raw power
Bigger screen
S4 cons-
More expensive
Touchwiz and Samsung bloat.
Bad big.little management (cluster migration)
Only 9gb for the user in 16gb model.
N4 pros-
Cheaper
Stock android
Lots of Roms that I am already used in gnex like PA.
Can run any game that s4 runs.
N4 Cons-
Smaller screen
Touch not so good as gnex
Camera not so good as s4 but better than gnex, so for me is enough.
So the cons on the n4 will not ruin my experience, is like a PC upgrade I will just upgrade the hardware and run the same software that I used to. Thank you guys to help me decide and save some money.
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I would advise you to wait for snapdragon800. The nexus 4 for 500$ is expensive.
Wait for the upgraded galaxy S4 or a new nexus that should have the snapdragon800 SoC.
Also, check the rumored sony honami that is said to be announced in a few days, snapdragon800, 20mpx camera with 4k video recording.
So if you could wait a little it will be a big upgrade for you from a galaxy nexus, bigger than to either n4 or s4.
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rayiskon said:
I would advise you to wait for snapdragon800. The nexus 4 for 500$ is expensive.
Wait for the upgraded galaxy S4 or a new nexus that should have the snapdragon800 SoC.
Also, check the rumored sony honami that is said to be announced in a few days, snapdragon800, 20mpx camera with 4k video recording.
So if you could wait a little it will be a big upgrade for you from a galaxy nexus, bigger than to either n4 or s4.
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That Sony phone , you are talking about. Does not even sound slightly real.
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rayiskon said:
I would advise you to wait for snapdragon800. The nexus 4 for 500$ is expensive.
Wait for the upgraded galaxy S4 or a new nexus that should have the snapdragon800 SoC.
Also, check the rumored sony honami that is said to be announced in a few days, snapdragon800, 20mpx camera with 4k video recording.
So if you could wait a little it will be a big upgrade for you from a galaxy nexus, bigger than to either n4 or s4.
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But can you give me a valid real world situation where the Snapdragon 800 would make normal usage better? Why spend extra for the latest and greatest when you can save money and buy something not quite as new and equally great?
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myturbo1 said:
That Sony phone , you are talking about. Does not even sound slightly real.
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There is already a system dump, that's where the info about the camera came from. Also evleaks already leaked detailed photos of the device. It's also going to be water and dustproof (not resistant, proof).
Nigeldg said:
Why spend extra for the latest and greatest when you can save money and buy something not quite as new and equally great?
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Because snapdragon 800 blows every other snapdragon chip out of the water. If it was a s4 pro -> s600 upgrade i wouldn't have advised him to wait, but the s800 is a totally new generation of SoC.
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rayiskon said:
Because snapdragon 800 blows every other snapdragon chip out of the water. If it was a s4 pro -> s600 upgrade i wouldn't have advised him to wait, but the s800 is a totally new generation of SoC.
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Still doesn't answer either question. It may well blow every SoC out of the water but that just means it's overkill and the power will never really be used.

Nigeldg said:
Still doesn't answer either question. It may well blow every SoC out of the water but that just means it's overkill and the power will never really be used.
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s800 SoC supports 3GB of RAM , 4k video recording, 2k displays, and additional ports... oh, and a new stronger adreno 330 gpu.
in no way i find it overkill if you use your hardware for more than calls/sms, especially when implemented in tablets. Furthermore, as ubuntu for android (not ubuntu touch) should be coming out by the end of the year, i'm pretty sure the s800 should provide better performance in that field.

rayiskon said:
s800 SoC supports 3GB of RAM , 4k video recording, 2k displays, and additional ports... oh, and a new stronger adreno 330 gpu.
in no way i find it overkill if you use your hardware for more than calls/sms, especially when implemented in tablets. Furthermore, as ubuntu for android (not ubuntu touch) should be coming out by the end of the year, i'm pretty sure the s800 should provide better performance in that field.
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Well I haven't found a single HD game that can lag the N4 yet and I don't see any use whatsoever of having the S800 over the N4. Maybe I'll be proved wrong in the future but right now there's no point to waiting for the S800.

Nigeldg said:
Well I haven't found a single HD game that can lag the N4 yet and I don't see any use whatsoever of having the S800 over the N4. Maybe I'll be proved wrong in the future but right now there's no point to waiting for the S800.
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i think sd800 is like buying a i7 3770k and a gtx titan when just an i5 3570k and a 660ti can run any game or app.
i will buy today n4, too bad the black color sold out i will take the white one. thank you guys.

Nigeldg said:
Well I haven't found a single HD game that can lag the N4 yet and I don't see any use whatsoever of having the S800 over the N4. Maybe I'll be proved wrong in the future but right now there's no point to waiting for the S800.
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You're comparing a SoC to a phone as a whole?
If you take a wider look, running a 1080p display, a bigger camera sensor, not to mention the low level software tweaking and optimizations like project butter and other under the hood ones, etc.. requires a lot of processing power.
And with your logic, we don't need 1080p displays, or camera hardware similar to that in p&s ones, it's all overkill.
Did you know that the n4 gives a higher fps result when playing games than an s4 ? It just tells you that the s600 is not capable of pushing all those pixels and maintaining the same fluidity as it would on 720p.
Snapdragon800 is in no way an overkill to mobile devices, it's just a result of the evolution of technology. Other hardware parts are also evolving.
And p.s. s800 supports usb 3.0 , but why would anyone want faster data transfer rates, it's all overkill !
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Definitely the N4, even though S4 has a system dump already for the 4.3, Nexus devices will have it eventually.
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Actually yes 1080p displays are definitely overkill IMO. I know that the N4 gets better FPS than the GS4 but that's NOT the same as saying the GS4 gets low FPS. Games are more than perfectly playable at the 40-60 FPS that the GS4 manages on ultra high settings on Real Racing 3. As you said though it's not all about the SoC and it's fairly clear that the GS4's software is poorly optimised seeing as it lags even when scrolling through the home screen. If I'm not mistaken the Adreno 320 is supposed to be capable of handling multiple 1080p displays at once.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of mobile technology advancing, but I wouldn't recommend a more expensive device over such a small increase in performance.

Nigeldg said:
Actually yes 1080p displays are definitely overkill IMO. I know that the N4 gets better FPS than the GS4 but that's NOT the same as saying the GS4 gets low FPS. Games are more than perfectly playable at the 40-60 FPS that the GS4 manages on ultra high settings on Real Racing 3. As you said though it's not all about the SoC and it's fairly clear that the GS4's software is poorly optimised seeing as it lags even when scrolling through the home screen. If I'm not mistaken the Adreno 320 is supposed to be capable of handling multiple 1080p displays at once.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of mobile technology advancing, but I wouldn't recommend a more expensive device over such a small increase in performance.
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ok, i think i get your point now. i respect your opinion, but i don't agree with it (and that's cool).
1080p is actually quite beautiful when you have a big display (5") and no on screen buttons eating up space. watching a youtube video on full HD is really nice, the sharpness and color distribution also (noticeable when comparing both pentile on s3 and s4).
Anyways, all i wanted to say in my first post is that it's July already, and that a new generation of SoC is coming, and it's gonna be a pretty big upgrade. furthermore, we're all expecting a new nexus in Q4 right? i'm pretty sure we're gonna see an s800 in there, and hopefully Google will keep it's pricing strategy. i think a 3 months wait (till Oct/Nov) is worth it, i'm pretty sure OP's galaxy nexus could live that long, it's not that he has a low end device.
just to add one more thought, i'm aware that my nexus 4 will be more than capable to run ubuntu for android for example, but i'm pretty sure a nexus with an s800 would be even more capable. Or maybe i'm the only one getting excited about turning my phone into a dockable remote PC

Samsung S7 edge slow on games

Hi,
I've installed Final Fantasy 9 on my new s7 edge.
The game worked perfectly on my htc one m9.
On the samsung s7 edge, there is no lag but the game is slow.
The game is not running at its normal speed and it's very boring....
So, on HTC one m9 I got Snapdragon 810.
The Exynos should do better. The GPU too. But the screen is larger (QHD vs HD).
Maybe the GPU is no powerful enough to display this game on QHD screen ?
Do you see this on this game ? On other games ?
(I try eco mode, with 30FPS and low screen resolution. The same)

Sorry to hear :/
But working smooth on my G935F, at any mode and also with or without game tools (thought it may be related to it).

No issues with G935F btu fw

Tatawi said:
Hi,
I've installed Final Fantasy 9 on my new s7 edge.
The game worked perfectly on my htc one m9.
On the samsung s7 edge, there is no lag but the game is slow.
The game is not running at its normal speed and it's very boring....
So, on HTC one m9 I got Snapdragon 810.
The Exynos should do better. The GPU too. But the screen is larger (QHD vs HD).
Maybe the GPU is no powerful enough to display this game on QHD screen ?
Do you see this on this game ? On other games ?
(I try eco mode, with 30FPS and low screen resolution. The same)
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This probably has less to do with the actual GPU and more to do with whether the game is optimized. Remember this phone has a killer GPU and utilizes Vulcan API. I doubt this phone is lagging behind the M9, I had both btw. Wish you luck.
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h3ck said:
This probably has less to do with the actual GPU and more to do with whether the game is optimized. Remember this phone has a killer GPU and utilizes Vulcan API. I doubt this phone is lagging behind the M9, I had both btw. Wish you luck.
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Even while your point with optimization is probably true, the device is shipped with vulcan api support, the games have to utilize it otherwise it simply isn't used but plain opengl (es) instead.

No issue here. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge - G935F - UK - Exynos

Tectas said:
Even while your point with optimization is probably true, the device is shipped with vulcan api support, the games have to utilize it otherwise it simply isn't used but plain opengl (es) instead.
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Good point, but I guess the real point I wanted to make is that this phone Def has better hardware. This is definitely a software issue.
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I have the G930F and I'm experiencing issues as well. I installed pew pew 2 and it lags compared to my HTC M9. I'd say it runs at 15-20 FPS compared to previously on the M9 where is super fluid.
Same feeling with SmashHit and Worms...
Any thoughts?

Solved.
Family from XDA, good day,
I'm from Mexico and I've been using many different roms for my S7 EDGE.
I've installed the NL one, the Germany one, and some others and the one that fix my lag in games is the one from UK.
Yesterday night I've installed the official UK ROM and my games are working a LOT BETTER.
Do you know this silly game called BBTAN? Well, that thing was SO LAGGY in my S7 EDGE, and at the same time it was running smoothly in a Galaxy CORE 2 (YEAH, can you believe it?).
Well, this is the fix for me, and I hope is the one for you all.

areshernandez said:
Family from XDA, good day,
I'm from Mexico and I've been using many different roms for my S7 EDGE.
I've installed the NL one, the Germany one, and some others and the one that fix my lag in games is the one from UK.
Yesterday night I've installed the official UK ROM and my games are working a LOT BETTER.
Do you know this silly game called BBTAN? Well, that thing was SO LAGGY in my S7 EDGE, and at the same time it was running smoothly in a Galaxy CORE 2 (YEAH, can you believe it?).
Well, this is the fix for me, and I hope is the one for you all.
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i have the same issue its all about game launcher.. if is on battery saver tha game seems slow