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Hello Atrix owners,
(jump to "The ideas" if you dont want to hear my story! )
Got my Atrix at&t last friday, still tweaking it to my likings, but when I started playing Apparatus, emulators, AirAttackHD, and other games to test the power of the TEGRA chip, I felt the phone becoming warmer and warmer.
EDIT: Played 1 lap on Riptide, went to check on the processor temp: 61 degrees celsius.
I opened the back case. The bottom area, specially above the microSD card, was very hot (based on motorola defy's temps, my previous android phone)
The battery itself wasn't even warm, except for the region near the bottom left.
I was scared I had gotten a defective unit, so I came to xda forums, and most of the topics related to temps came to the same conclusion: that was the normal operating temps under load from the dual core processor.
Still, it worries me because of the position in which they've placed the microSD port. My card's max. operating temps are 60 celsius, and my processor was doing 52 within 5-10 minutes of gaming.
Also, I'm a little obsessed with computer components getting too hot. I've seen lots of motherboards leaving this world because of that.
The ideas:
Since I had recently bought a ICDiamond thermal paste, I started thinking about modding the atrix's case to dissipate more heat, someway.
This page shows a teardown of our phone: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Motorola-Atrix-4G-Teardown/4964/2
You can see in the board's pictures that the NVIDIA CPU/GPU chip along with the 1gb memory its exactly above the microSD slot - marked in yellow in STEP 10
I was thinking about removing the metal plate covering the chip itself, apply some thermal paste there that would transfer heat to the metal plate. (see picture)
Then, above the metal plate, on the plastic cover shown in this picture, maybe put a small copper sheet (or other heat conducting material) on the inside, to spread the heat to a larger area.
Maybe drill some holes on the plastic cover to expose this metal to the area just under back cover.
One concern (also shown in the picture and in the website) is the magnetic compass, marked blue on the attached pic. Would the metal sheet cause any kind of interference? I could use some help on this from someone with more knowledge on magnetic physics and eletronic compasses.
I haven't done any sorts of thermal modding on computers, graphics cards, etc., so I would like some help, insights, and improves on my initial ideas, so we can have cooler dual core smartphones
Nice post! I'm curious to see some reviews after some other brave souls try this... In theory it should help. As for the magnetic compass.... maybe try using aluminum foil... non magnetic, and will dissipate some heat... probably not as much as the copper, but hey....
This mod would be spreading out the heat from the CPU to about an inch away, but still in the phone, so what's the plan after that? Even without this mod, after maybe 10 minutes the bottom half of the phone is nice and warm under CPU-stressful activities anyway, there doesn't seem to be much need for more heat spreading ability... The heat spreads out fine, the real problem is getting heat away from the phone itself, not from the CPU.
Nice concept.
Drilling some small holes in the cover could help heat get out, but without active cooling, I doubt much will dissipate through there. If you were to drill holes, I would do them on a small CNC mill if you have one available so you get a nice even hole pattern, and minimize a drill wandering and butchering the cover. You could also cut a small piece out of the cover, then put some wire mesh like the speaker cover over it to get more air in/out.
You will be fine using metal sheeting if you do not use anything magnetic. But then the materials available will probably not conduct heat very well.
In all reality, as I previously said, without any kind of active cooling, you may pull a few degrees of heat away from the CPU/GPU, but then it has nowhere to go from there, so I doubt you will gain much.
Only one way to find out for sure though!
Hello WolfFX, my fellow atrix owner,
Nice idea indeed. I would probably prefer to stick a very thin layer of copper on top of the current one and apply the paste between the two copper. If the results seem to better than stock, i would use correct sandpaper to create more space in the housing, so i could put a thicker copper plate. Thicker copper means better heat spreading and cooling.
I had 2 defy's myself. The reason for the defy spreading heat better cause its internal design isn't as complicated as atrix plus its thicker. Generally, the singlecore cpu's can also get very hot if they're used in a thin housing IMO.
I use some on the base of a small fan that hooks up to my micro usb port for active. If you've read this far I am kidding and its not possible because the usb port is not.powered.
On another not cutting out approximately 1-1.5 square inches in lower part of the back cover and replacing with copper might help. Cutting out a hole/holes in the back of tpu case would help hold copper plate and let heat dissipate. It would be ghetto fabulous but the question is would it dissipate enough heat to make it worth the trouble.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
Dual core machines have to work harder in an environment designed for single core like Android. If the app you are running is optimised for dual core it should run cooler. ICS will be multi-core optimised. Dual core naturally run hotter than single.
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dragon_76 said:
Dual core machines have to work harder in an environment designed for single core like Android. If the app you are running is optimised for dual core it should run cooler. ICS will be multi-core optimised. Dual core naturally run hotter than single.
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Kinda funny that the idiots on Engaget constantly crave for quad-core, when we are struggling as it is on dual-core technology with single core FW...
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This mod would be spreading out the heat from the CPU to about an inch away, but still in the phone, so what's the plan after that? Even without this mod, after maybe 10 minutes the bottom half of the phone is nice and warm under CPU-stressful activities anyway, there doesn't seem to be much need for more heat spreading ability... The heat spreads out fine, the real problem is getting heat away from the phone itself, not from the CPU.
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I tought about that, and you are right, it will still be warm.
But if the copper works, the processor temperature readings will be lower, while the warmth will have more area to be dissipated.
It will still be passive, but better than the actual state.
Does anybody have knowledge about motorola's warranty on the Atrix?
Supposing I would open the phone to put the copper and thermal paste, (but dont drill the case, that would be irreversible), would that void any warranty stickers or something like that?
I got my phone last friday, haven't unlocked bootloader or anything because I'd like to keep my warranty for a while...
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Kinda funny that the idiots on Engaget constantly crave for quad-core, when we are struggling as it is on dual-core technology with single core FW...
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If people were satisfied with what exists, there would be no innovation.
Not saying increasing core count is innovative, but its far better than being stagnant nonetheless.
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I tought about that, and you are right, it will still be warm.
But if the copper works, the processor temperature readings will be lower, while the warmth will have more area to be dissipated.
It will still be passive, but better than the actual state.
Does anybody have knowledge about motorola's warranty on the Atrix?
Supposing I would open the phone to put the copper and thermal paste, (but dont drill the case, that would be irreversible), would that void any warranty stickers or something like that?
I got my phone last friday, haven't unlocked bootloader or anything because I'd like to keep my warranty for a while...
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what do you think? would you want to honor a warranty after making hardware changes like that? if you really want to try, buy a phone off craigslist with a broken screen or something and do the mod and see what happens.
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what do you think? would you want to honor a warranty after making hardware changes like that? if you really want to try, buy a phone off craigslist with a broken screen or something and do the mod and see what happens.
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If someday I move from Brazil to United States I can think about your suggestions.
The damn taxes on my country make the carrier free phone cost equivalent to 1250 dollars.
The broken screen phone here probably will cost the same as a new one on US...
Whatever, soon I will lose my extreme-obsessive-care-for-new-gadget and unlock the bootloader, void the warranty, and test this mod.
If anyone has the courage to do it, please take some pics and post them here, along with comments
If you ever do it, I suggest slotting/drilling the back cover first and seeing what gains you.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
palmboy5 said:
If people were satisfied with what exists, there would be no innovation.
Not saying increasing core count is innovative, but its far better than being stagnant nonetheless.
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I understand the need to innovate but...
IMO we are not at the point with CPUs where we can "comfortably" put 4 cores on phones yet.
Can it be done? yes, but it would be dumb to do IMHO. We need smaller transistors on chips, an OS that can handle multi-core, and devs that can write Apps properly for that.
Otherwise you're wasting money on an oven that happens to make calls...
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If you ever do it, I suggest slotting/drilling the back cover first and seeing what gains you.
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By back cover you mean the one with torx screws, or the outer one?
To do it on the external cover I would need some fine tools, since any mistakes would screw even more the visual appeal of the phone
I saw on another topic here on the forums where someone was asking if there was something such as a metal back cover. That could help on the heat issue. But all the answers were negative. The flexibility of the plastic seems to be what allows it to be opened in the first place
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I understand the need to innovate but...
IMO we are not at the point with CPUs where we can "comfortably" put 4 cores on phones yet.
Can it be done? yes, but it would be dumb to do IMHO. We need smaller transistors on chips, an OS that can handle multi-core, and devs that can write Apps properly for that.
Otherwise you're wasting money on an oven that happens to make calls...
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That and the fact you would need a much larger battery to make it a day, or stay with the thin is in but haved a wired cell phone because you wont go anywhere for long with a dead cell phone.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
like CaelanT said, without active cooling (read: a fan), there really will not be much benefit. the entire casing is made of plastic so even if heat were to be dissipated under that area, it would still be trapped there.
dLo GSR said:
like CaelanT said, without active cooling (read: a fan), there really will not be much benefit. the entire casing is made of plastic so even if heat were to be dissipated under that area, it would still be trapped there.
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Wont dissipate too much, but the fact that we can feel the warmth outside means heat is coming through. I'll wait my tests week to be over so I can buy some tools and still need to find out where to buy the copper or aluminum sheet.
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Wont dissipate too much, but the fact that we can feel the warmth outside means heat is coming through. I'll wait my tests week to be over so I can buy some tools and still need to find out where to buy the copper or aluminum sheet.
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heat is coming through but it has nothing to remove it. we can heat sink it to another part of the phone but without a HUGE piece of heat conductive metal to take it, it will simply stay hot. there is no fan/active element to remove the heat from the device and so we are stuck with how it is. that's the problem with microelectronics and ICs that don't allow for fans, and it's up to the software and its use of the CPU to minimize the load on the processors.
i know the effort is valiant but i honestly, from an EE standpoint, don't see you getting much noticeable difference without cramping something else up (i.e. messing with reception because of rogue metal plates or transferring that heat to other parts / ICs of the phone which are not as heat resistant)
yes im sure this definetly voids warrenty (fyi lol i voided mine )
unlocked bootloader att. atrix. honeycomb rom. faux oc kernal
Is this normal after having taken time??? the phone is not 15 days
Your fault. You bent the battery cover too much when taking it off.
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Your fault. You bent the battery cover too much when taking it off.
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but the materials were not polycarbonate???
henrybravo said:
Your fault. You bent the battery cover too much when taking it off.
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A lot of people have the same or hardest problem on this thread http://www.htcmania.com/showthread.php?t=405612&page=10
Bent a cover to much is the easy way to break but, a lot people?
Many people have complained that the cap is broken or scratched with a glance.
Samsung has answered that them have broken it by misuse, but I do not think many people misused the cover.
Manufacturing defect? I think so...
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Your fault. You bent the battery cover too much when taking it off.
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Have left many defective and no fault of the user.
The complaint we have begun in Spain, but this affects thousands of users.
Whoever wants to look the other way is your problem, the SIII to cost € 600 and is not acceptable by any means.
There are several places where this news
http://www.xatakandroid.com/moviles...o-tambien-tiene-problemas-con-su-tapa-trasera
http://andro4all.com/2012/07/problemas-tapa-blanca-samsung-galaxy-s-iii
well if you sell millions of these phones i guess there are bound to be some to have their top bent like that... personally mine's still pristine, been using my phone for a month now
klander said:
Have left many defective and no fault of the user.
The complaint we have begun in Spain, but this affects thousands of users.
Whoever wants to look the other way is your problem, the SIII to cost € 600 and is not acceptable by any means.
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OK I understand now. I've taken mine off 3 or 4 times with no issues, so I just figured the OP had been a little rough on the battery cover.
Edit: also, I didn't realize the OP was just copying pics from a web site.
Gembol said:
Many people have complained that the cap is broken or scratched with a glance.
Samsung has answered that them have broken it by misuse, but I do not think many people misused the cover.
Manufacturing defect? I think so...
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Manufacturing defect and bad materials
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Manufacturing defect and bad materials
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I disagree.
The material used is allowing some flexibility but it's very thin to allow for little weight and thickness of the overall phone. Even if it was made by carbon OF titanium and it was that thin it could brake. Its not unbrakeable. I have taken the cover off and on lots of times and I always take it slow and careful. What's the point of overreacting? You are holding 600€ of delicate electronic equipment covered in thin covers. You think just because you paid that amount it should also be unbrakeable?
I have had my share of confrontation with htc for their one S but that is because they claimed its so durable that doesn't need a case, though it chipped in a week without any misuse. But this claim to samsung's rear cover I think its pushing it.
Just get a new rear case and be careful how you handle the phone. Its not a hand tool but delicate equipment.
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I still have no idea how people break the Samsung battery covers and the SGP Neo Hybrid frames. As shown in the YouTube videos, you can literally bend the crap out of them. People must be extremely rough with theirs.
did you guys ever see the video of the S2 back cover being bent in two and it was fine, looks like it does not apply to the S3
John.
Mine has lots of dinks in it all around the side I'm not happy at all of course somehow have applied pressure to course this but I'm aware that I handle my phone very carefully so I think the battery door is very very poor quality
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I disagree.
The material used is allowing some flexibility but it's very thin to allow for little weight and thickness of the overall phone. Even if it was made by carbon OF titanium and it was that thin it could brake. Its not unbrakeable. I have taken the cover off and on lots of times and I always take it slow and careful. What's the point of overreacting? You are holding 600€ of delicate electronic equipment covered in thin covers. You think just because you paid that amount it should also be unbrakeable?
I have had my share of confrontation with htc for their one S but that is because they claimed its so durable that doesn't need a case, though it chipped in a week without any misuse. But this claim to samsung's rear cover I think its pushing it.
Just get a new rear case and be careful how you handle the phone. Its not a hand tool but delicate equipment.
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We all try to carefully S3, but we must recognize that the quality of the finishes are terrible.
Youtube videos are very nice and the lid bends easily, try to cover your S3 and comets that we ido this to you and if possible record, you'll take a big disappointment.
The S2 was a great phone, both in quality and performance, the S3 is very good interpretations but not the quality of their materials.
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I still have no idea how people break the Samsung battery covers and the SGP Neo Hybrid frames. As shown in the YouTube videos, you can literally bend the crap out of them. People must be extremely rough with theirs.
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this also??
My solution.
I took out my original battery cover and put this one in its place along with the bumper. Mine did not break, I just wanted a better looking cover some form of protection.
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My solution.
I took out my original battery cover and put this one in its place along with the bumper.
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That is not the solution, the solution is to give the samsung.
I do not like to take my S3 as Robocop
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We all try to carefully S3, but we must recognize that the quality of the finishes are terrible.
Youtube videos are very nice and the lid bends easily, try to cover your S3 and comets that we ido this to you and if possible record, you'll take a big disappointment.
The S2 was a great phone, both in quality and performance, the S3 is very good interpretations but not the quality of their materials.
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No, apparently not all are carefully with their phones. If you regard the you tube videos of presentstion of the phone as how much you CAN bend the cover, then you are wrong. The people testing the phones are there to sometimes show you the limits of the phone's capabilities or reach them, not to show how you can use it everyday.
The first time you hold the phone you understand that the rear cover is very thin and the clips are delicate. That should increase your attention on how you open and close the cover. Quality is fine ifyou ask me, as I consider quality the fact that the case doesn't squeek and the cover fits well the rest of the phone. I feel you have to go into a lot of effort to crack a clip.
Sorry, that's how I see it.
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klander said:
That is not the solution, the solution is to give the samsung.
I do not like to take my S3 as Robocop
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I know. That is a brushed aluminum battery cover.
Robocop, I like that ha ha, good name! Actually it was a friend who suggested me to go with that. My original choice was to get a case-mate tough case which I did with my Galaxy Nexus but then it appeared to make the phone too bulky even thou it did have good protection so I wanted to something slimmer without adding much bulkiness and have some form of protection.
http://www.ijailbreak.com/iphone/iphone-5-vs-galaxy-s3-drop-test-durability-video/
Just found this
These so called drop "tests" don't make much sense. E.g. it really makes a difference if a phone lands on one of the corners or not. To draw some decent conclusions, the test setup should be way more professional. And in general, just dont drop your phone or buy a rugged IPxx certified one.
iPhone doesn't need these tests. Because they are coming damaged out of the box.
You gotta think too, weight/size ratios, type of glass, and of course luck of the fall. We know the s3 gg2 is pretty fragile due to it being thinner and more brittle, so maybe a scratch test would be in order to determine which glass is... idk... better? I mean if it's easier to scratch the i5 than the s3 ya kinda have to ask yourself, would you be more prone to drop or scratch your phone?... idk, for me yeah the i5 clearly took a drop better but why the hell would you want ios? I'd way rather have Windows than ios, of course I would/will never own anything apple in my life unless given to me, and I'd sell it anyway
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I've always criticised Samsung for putting plastic at the edges. People always say 'hey, what a beautiful phone you have. How is it called?' But then, they can't help but noticing the chip on the supposedly metal edges. Even though they still like the phone.
I personally do not care if everything is plastic, but let the
Chrome edges be made of metal
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These so called drop "tests" don't make much sense. E.g. it really makes a difference if a phone lands on one of the corners. To draw some decent conclusions, the test setup should be way more professional. And in general, just dont drop your phone or buy a rugged IPxx certified one.
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Exactly - I may be biased towards the GS3, but they've just basically wasted £1000 worth of phone proving little. The GS3 may have failed due to impacting in a more critical spot, maybe not, who knows.
That said, kudos to the iPhone there, it definitely seems to be a sturdy device if you're keen on throwing your phone around lots.
the iphone 5 size looks like my S3 , can i sue apple ?
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the iphone 5 size looks like my S3 , can i sue apple ?
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Yes you can but Apple will claim that Samsung used secret agents and mentalists to steal the secret plans from them before releasing the iPhone. :laugh:
Great. Now I can throw Iphone 5 whenever I get upset with it
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It's about the design! Samsung did a mistake with the S3! As did apple with the iPhone 4 but you can see the new design dose not expose the glass so it will take more drops then the gs3
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I don't see the point in doing drop tests on phones that make no claim to any IP standard, it proves nothing, especially with the totally unscientific methodology employed.....the bottom line from this point of view is that a larger sheet of glass will always be more vulnerable than a smaller one, simple physics.
it dosent take a genius to tell this... we all know s3 is prone to damage.. and again in reality the extent of damage always varies dpending on various factors
That pocket drop test is perfect for iPhone because the amount of moisturiser on male iPhone owners hands is gonna affect grip.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1883519
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I got no problem with plastic but it should be durable. Like the one of the S2.
The S3 feels a bit more fragile, than the S2.
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Phones are gonna shatter from a 1ft drop when they do end up making them frameless.
for a phone as thin and light as the iphone it did great tbh
i expected the s3 to do better
The test is not valid, because it's not a scientific experiment, they should be doing repeats, how do we know he didn't have a phone with a manufacturing defect causing the screen to break? My dog has knocked my GS3 off the window ledge before now onto a hard floor, and the screen is intact. All that video shows is HIS GS3 screen broke from the drop, then he did a second drop test with an already broken screen, which will further damage it.
Kind of useless test, just showing his phone can break, and confirming the laws of physics in further impacting already cracked glass will make the cracks worse.
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The test is not valid, because it's not a scientific experiment, they should be doing repeats, how do we know he didn't have a phone with a manufacturing defect causing the screen to break? My dog has knocked my GS3 off the window ledge before now onto a hard floor, and the screen is intact. All that video shows is HIS GS3 screen broke from the drop, then he did a second drop test with an already broken screen, which will further damage it.
Kind of useless test, just showing his phone can break, and confirming the laws of physics in further impacting already cracked glass will make the cracks worse.
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Yeah and the sheer size of the S3 means if you drop it on it's edge all that extra surface area means means it can easily flip round and land flat which is always the death nail for phone screens.
So for us the extra screen real estate is a huge positive and potential killer negative and none of these drops actually means the iPhone is better built.
I just like to watch iphones get smashed
EDIT: Well that was disappointing.
Afternoon peeps
I have discovered something a little concerning about the XZ.
I clean my phone on a regular basis of fingerprints and dust, today I noticed the little rubber covers were dirty around the sill so I decided to clean them. with a cloth I wiped down the phones glass slabs and then wiped the rubber gaskets as with these ports there are nooks and cranies where dirt can get so I got out the compressed air to blow out any small particles.
To my horror the phone inflated making the screen and the back glass flex out off the phone like a balloon, I was sure I was seeing this so i held the phone in a manner where i could watch the reflection on the glass and sure enough it's bending to accommodate the compressed air. This may explain the glass being very sturdy to drops due to this flex, but how thick is it if it bends so easily?
For reference I was using canned compressed air, not a high powered high compressor.
I thought I'd share with the community about this, I suppose it shows it's water tight as it didn't escape out a gap etc.
Either way i'm a little shocked at the glass thickness.
has this ever happened to you with a different cell phone?
Any photo evidence of bubble phone?
That sounds like the battery expanding. It could indicate a faulty battery.
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As I said gentlemen, the phone expands with the air pressure from the compressed air canister. The phone returned to its original shape as soon as I stopped spraying the air.
This isn't a case of the phone staying like it, but seeing glass flex that much is worrying
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LBTaylor1984 said:
As I said gentlemen, the phone expands with the air pressure from the compressed air canister. The phone returned to its original shape as soon as I stopped spraying the air.
This isn't a case of the phone staying like it, but seeing glass flex that much is worrying
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I would much rather see it flex alot then shatter personally. If it can take as much abuse as you say then it simply makes me more confident in its ability to survive damage
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Not surprising, if it bellows out then that means its perfectly sealed. Other IP57 phones would do the same.
Try doing it with a non-IP57 phone and there are plenty of gaps for the air to escape..
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Not surprising, if it bellows out then that means its perfectly sealed. Other IP57 phones would do the same.
Try doing it with a non-IP57 phone and there are plenty of gaps for the air to escape..
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Yeah. Because the phone's shell is sealed. So nothing comes in means nothing will come out.
The phone itself uses thin glass and is flexible. I remember the YouTube videos of the Korean guy who bent his Z into an arc shape (it was fine). So yeah, I'd say what you are seeing is correct.
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Perhaps it's just me, but i'm not used to the term flexible glass I still see glass as a rigid material so any flex seems out of character. It seems fine obviously after this but I just thought it would be solid inflexible etc.
I read the title of the post and got scared -_- lol. After reading it thought I fully understood what went on with the "balloon effect". The glass for these phones are amazing...very strong and flexible...like a pole dancer
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Perhaps it's just me, but i'm not used to the term flexible glass I still see glass as a rigid material so any flex seems out of character. It seems fine obviously after this but I just thought it would be solid inflexible etc.
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Inflexible glass would shatter the instant you dropped it from waist height on to any non carpeted surface.
The glass on the Z is much more intelligently designed and expensive than that.
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Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit of useless information for you.
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decadan1977 said:
Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit if useless information for you.
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If you've ever been in your house in a storm with strong wind, the glass in your windows flexes just as much :good:
decadan1977 said:
Agree with the above post. People are really taking the Glass by the conventional sense of the word. Windows and such. I much prefer the flexible variety. Which you may or may not know traces it's roots back to Roman times. Bit of useless information for you.
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Totally.
And some people just don't know how tempered glass works.
I'm a builder and when we demo houses we throw hammers, bricks whatever we can find to smash tempered glass. 99% of the time everything just bounces off.
But tap the raw edge with a chisel and the whole pane literally explodes.
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i see you ride DH so lemme ask you this : is your visor flexible or not ? Yes it is... so it doesn't shatter on impact. the same applies to the glass ! Anything that is flexible is a-okay !
Ride safe !
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Either way i'm a little shocked at the glass thickness.
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People expect lightweight & affordable phones. If you take away those two factors, it would be easily possible to use more advanced materials, but your phone might be a couple of times more expensive and certainty a bit heavier.
Transparent Aluminium
so it really is that much water/air proof !! great
I'd only be concerned if it DIDN'T expand at least slightly. It just proves that it's properly sealed and air/water tight.
Blasting such a small device (or any device) with so many sensitive parts all located close to each other with any form of compressed air (be it canned or motorized compressor) is never a good idea. Unless you truly understand what you are doing and know what will happen as a result.
e.g. no consideration was taken into account that the device is water tight and therefore air tight; the effects of using compressed air on it could have been much more severe given there is no where for the air to depressurize. A bending case/glass is nothing compared to potentially cracking the LCD screen underneath the exterior glass.
An old (clean) toothbrush would probably be the better choice for your next spring cleaning session
This is the so called dragon trail glass I believe its a very strong and flexible glass. Do some research
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I received my Pixel 2 XL earlier this week...
Why are phones increasingly coming with rounded screen corners? The screen on the XL doesn't go all the way to the edge of the phone, so there is no spatial concern there--this is an actual design decision. Why would anyone artificially give up screen real estate? For the sake of style? Is it really that important to have the contours of the viewable display match the contours of the corners of the phone?
This is incomprehensible to me, and it actually affects usability. When I VNC my PC, I can't even see the program icon on a maximized window because of the rounded upper left corner. Depending on the OS, the close button isn't visible either. Additionally, the unnecessary padding shrinks the notification bar.
Is it worth the cool-factor to you? Do you really need 'sleekness' so much that you wish to sacrifice the benefits of a traditional rectangular resolution?
Rectangles are typically just more efficient shapes in two dimensions. If you have little cabinet space in your kitchen, you can make the most of it by using square plates instead of round plates--it doesn't harm usability much (a round plate is typically easier to carry) and you increase total plate area. You could almost say the same for square versus round cups, except there is a clear impact on usability there in favor of the round cup. The rounded screen aligns more closely with the round plate, except I can't see even a minor usability advantage.
I honestly hate the trend of rounding everything...from icons (i.e. Contact photos) to screen corners. Super irritating but we're stuck dealing with it if the rest of the phone out-weighs the negative aspects of rounded corner displays.
It's to make more money I feel.harder to get a screen protector on which means more people go naked and then the need for screen repairs increases
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browniegirl said:
It's to make more money I feel.harder to get a screen protector on which means more people go naked and then the need for screen repairs increases
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I think the OP is talking about the view-able display area not the curved glass on the surface.
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I think the OP is talking about the view-able display area not the curved glass on the surface.
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Oh oops lmao didn't fully read
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Personally can't stand it implemented at the hardware level, when it can be done with a simple software overlay. I believe it's a 2017 trend and next year we'll be back to squared corners.
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I considered adding that I also hate curved edges, but I wanted to focus on the latest trend (I was already in danger of a tl;dr I figured) since curved edges became a thing in... 2014 I believe?
Round icons are terrible as well. I'm using a square icon pack. I think Google began encouraging round icons with Android 5, and now even Twitter has given in.
It's. All. Just. Wasted. Space. Computing is supposed to be about efficiency, not fickle, transient glamour. This is what happens to a market when nearly everyone on the planet becomes a part of it: lowest common denominator marketing.
I agree that a software overlay makes perfect sense. It's essentially adding an extreme, opaque vignetting effect (another thing I loathe) which can be done with a shader, just like vignetting.
Yes a software overlay or user-selectable option for squared or rounded interface would be ideal
They should have made the film grain effect optional as well.
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I considered adding that I also hate curved edges, but I wanted to focus on the latest trend (I was already in danger of a tl;dr I figured) since curved edges became a thing in... 2014 I believe?
Round icons are terrible as well. I'm using a square icon pack. I think Google began encouraging round icons with Android 5, and now even Twitter has given in.
It's. All. Just. Wasted. Space. Computing is supposed to be about efficiency, not fickle, transient glamour. This is what happens to a market when nearly everyone on the planet becomes a part of it: lowest common denominator marketing.
I agree that a software overlay makes perfect sense. It's essentially adding an extreme, opaque vignetting effect (another thing I loathe) which can be done with a shader, just like vignetting.
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Yep can't stand rounded glass either. I'm convinced it's a form of planned obsolescence, you're less likely to use a tempered glass screen protector if it doesn't cover the whole screen or doesn't lay flat; hence you're statistically more likely to crack your screen. That and it looks nice pretty and caters to the masses.
I believe when lg launched g6 they said that the rounded corners of the display helped prevent the screen to crack when dropped
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I believe when lg launched g6 they said that the rounded corners of the display helped prevent the screen to crack when dropped
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How does having a rounded corner on the display have to do with the physical glass on the phone...
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Wilazn said:
How does having a rounded corner on the display have to do with the physical glass on the phone...
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because the physical glass is rounded...
(correct me if I'm wrong)
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https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.and...-reliability-display-battery-heat-752389/amp/
One of the things I simply can not stand (and I've tried really hard to learn to like it) is the way Samsung has taken to wrapping the screen around curved edges. I'll take the rounded corners. It's not like you're losing any important screen real estate. I've never need to tap something wayyyy up in any of the corners before.
The viewable screen measures 5-13/16" diagonally. They advertise a 6" display to the virtual black corners.
THOSE LYING [email protected]#$%!!! A whole 3/16" of an inch!?! That it. That's false advertising on top of a horrible screen...clicking noises, and...and...whatever else some anonymous internet person claims fails!!!!!! I'M CANCELLING MY ORDER!!!!
PS - This is meant to be funny. 8-P
Just FYI though. Rounding is not a trend that all companies are trying to follow. It's just an engineering solution to minimize cracks in the corners now that there is minimal bezel. Just my 2 cents here.
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One of the things I simply can not stand (and I've tried really hard to learn to like it) is the way Samsung has taken to wrapping the screen around curved edges. I'll take the rounded corners. It's not like you're losing any important screen real estate. I've never need to tap something wayyyy up in any of the corners before.
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I gave some examples of how the rounded corners hurt functionality. Just because it doesn't personally affect you (yet) doesn't mean it isn't, objectively speaking, a usability downgrade. It's a decrease in resolution, and one scaling cannot make up for considering where the pixels are taken from. However minor you consider it, measuring the traditional way and imagining square corners to call the display "6-inch" is also highly deceptive--good catch, pcloadletter1.
Consider also a scenario where this trend dies out, but 2:1 aspect ratio actually becomes common enough that games and graphically intensive productivity programs (which can't necessarily scale aspect ratio on the fly) begin conforming to it when it is detected (meaning no pillar boxing), moving UI elements into anticipated squared corners. You can't reasonably expect all developers to provide automatic padding detection or manual options for UI elements, particularly when the app doesn't use standard Android fare elements.
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Just FYI though. Rounding is not a trend that all companies are trying to follow. It's just an engineering solution to minimize cracks in the corners now that there is minimal bezel. Just my 2 cents here.
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I understand how this applies to rounded glass along the EDGES, but not to rounded corners as the visible display on most phones, including the 2 XL, does not come close enough to the corners of the phone for this to be a solution. I see the article above, but I'm skeptical of LG's in-house testing (particular after the V30 and 2 XL screens were released into the wild ). The entire face of the phone is going to be covered in glass regardless. The shock of the impact is much more likely to go throughout the plane of the glass rather than damage the screen underneath it IMO, regardless of where the screen begins or ends. I think in this particular case it's purely a stylistic decision. :/ All that said, I get the impression you're talking about rolled edges rather than the corners of the viewable screen. I don't like rolled edges either, but I agree with you on that as a damage mitigation solution on tiny bezel phones.
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I gave some examples of how the rounded corners hurt functionality. Just because it doesn't personally affect you (yet) doesn't mean it isn't, objectively speaking, a usability downgrade. It's a decrease in resolution, and one scaling cannot make up for considering where the pixels are taken from. However minor you consider it, measuring the traditional way and imagining square corners to call the display "6-inch" is also highly deceptive--good catch, pcloadletter1.
Consider also a scenario where this trend dies out, but 2:1 aspect ratio actually becomes common enough that games and graphically intensive productivity programs (which can't necessarily scale aspect ratio on the fly) begin conforming to it when it is detected (meaning no pillar boxing), moving UI elements into anticipated squared corners. You can't reasonably expect all developers to provide automatic padding detection or manual options for UI elements, particularly when the app doesn't use standard Android fare elements.
I understand how this applies to rounded glass along the EDGES, but not to rounded corners as the visible display on most phones, including the 2 XL, does not come close enough to the corners of the phone for this to be a solution. I see the article above, but I'm skeptical of LG's in-house testing (particular after the V30 and 2 XL screens were released into the wild ). The entire face of the phone is going to be covered in glass regardless. The shock of the impact is much more likely to go throughout the plane of the glass rather than damage the screen underneath it IMO, regardless of where the screen begins or ends. I think in this particular case it's purely a stylistic decision. :/ All that said, I get the impression you're talking about rolled edges rather than the corners of the viewable screen. I don't like rolled edges either, but I agree with you on that as a damage mitigation solution on tiny bezel phones.
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No I am talking about the corners not the edges. you would be surprised how much the square cut corners can do to the structural integrity of parts. do you know why we no longer have rectangular airplane windows? cracks. They just blew out during testing and flights. similar concept here.