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Hello and respects, got 2 doubts, if i Just root my i9500, the flash counter or the knox, know it? And the second, why theres so little development for this phone?, only 2 pages..... Thanxs in advance.

Your flash counter or Knox won't trip if you use towelroot method.. Any other method will trip as far as I know.. And there is probably little development for that device because Samsung did not manufacture as many units as the other models so not many devs got their hands on one

serio22 said:
Your flash counter or Knox won't trip if you use towelroot method.. Any other method will trip as far as I know.. And there is probably little development for that device because Samsung did not manufacture as many units as the other models so not many devs got their hands on one
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Thankyou, can i unroot then with this method?

Im reading in the forum and people say it dont work on i9500....

maxxxz said:
Im reading in the forum and people say it dont work on i9500....
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Sorry about that, I thought it may or may not but wasn't sure.. I don't think there is another way to root it without tripping anything at the moment then

[Q] Root KnoxFree

Hi guys! I have my s4 since last year June and I think the time is come for him to get some new features. To do so, I thought to get root permissions and unlock the bootloader in order to install a new custom rom. But I'm overly scared by Knox counter.
I didn't get well the story: if I get permission, I'll trip the counter to 1, invalidating the warranty, right? Is there any way to unlock bootloader and get permissions without tripping knox? Is it worth doing? I'm trying to do a sort of "revamp" of my phone, and maybe getting it faster and more stable than stock roms!
Thank you in advance!
P.S: My S4 is h3g (italy) brandizied. I don't know if it's important! Sorry for my english!

ming990 said:
Hi guys! I have my s4 since last year June and I think the time is come for him to get some new features. To do so, I thought to get root permissions and unlock the bootloader in order to install a new custom rom. But I'm overly scared by Knox counter.
I didn't get well the story: if I get permission, I'll trip the counter to 1, invalidating the warranty, right? Is there any way to unlock bootloader and get permissions without tripping knox? Is it worth doing? I'm trying to do a sort of "revamp" of my phone, and maybe getting it faster and more stable than stock roms!
Thank you in advance!
P.S: My S4 is h3g (italy) brandizied. I don't know if it's important! Sorry for my english!
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Hi!
Which model do you have?
For i9505 take a look at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2852310
And when your current firmware is NG8 or higher you can root with this method
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2862768
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DarkerTimes said:
Hi!
Which model do you have?
For i9505 take a look at this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2852310
And when your current firmware is NG8 or higher you can root with this method
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2862768
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Ok thank you! I have i9505! Any suggestions for a good custom rom? I think i have the NF6 version. Is it possible? Where can i check exactly?

ming990 said:
Ok thank you! I have i9505! Any suggestions for a good custom rom?
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No.
You will have to try some out yourself. XDA prohibits the discussion of "best rom" or "rom recommendations" for several reasons.
It's rude to developers.
They usually devolve into an argument between ROM 1 Fanboys and ROM 2 Fanboys.
And most importantly, only you can make a determination about what roms are best for the way you use your phone. We wouldn't dare deprive you of the opportunity learn about flashing roms and seeing the differences between them. It's a growth experience! You'll learn more in a week than we could teach you by talking about ROMs in a year.
We recommend you read through the development threads and read up on what ROMs are available. Picka f ew and try each one out for a couple days. See what features you want and which ones you hate. Then narrow down what ROM you like based on that.

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No.
You will have to try some out yourself. XDA prohibits the discussion of "best rom" or "rom recommendations" for several reasons.
It's rude to developers.
They usually devolve into an argument between ROM 1 Fanboys and ROM 2 Fanboys.
And most importantly, only you can make a determination about what roms are best for the way you use your phone. We wouldn't dare deprive you of the opportunity learn about flashing roms and seeing the differences between them. It's a growth experience! You'll learn more in a week than we could teach you by talking about ROMs in a year.
We recommend you read through the development threads and read up on what ROMs are available. Picka f ew and try each one out for a couple days. See what features you want and which ones you hate. Then narrow down what ROM you like based on that.
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Oh, ok, didn't know that! Last question: I've read in some italian forums that towelroot doesn't work anymore without tripping knox counter because samsung fixed it. Is it true or with some of the latest upgrades Towelroot began to work again?

ming990 said:
Ok thank you! I have i9505! Any suggestions for a good custom rom? I think i have the NF6 version. Is it possible? Where can i check exactly?
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The first thing is said and to your second point :
You can check your current firmware by calling *#1234#
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[Q] General inquiry about KNOX and FW types

Hello all,
I searched the forums round and round, and couldn't find my answers so I hope you will be able to help me out.
i'm looking for a new phone and decided I want to go with the S5. that was before i learned about KNOX and it's wonderful ways.
i'm a heavy modder, who will most definitely use a custom recovery and ROM/kernel.
my questions are:
1. would it be possible to flash a custom recovery / rom / kernel / modem despite KNOX being preset?
2. other then getting this 0x1 and voiding my official warranty, are there any other result to this? will something not work?
3. assuming I get an unlocked international phone, is there any need to mess/change my FW? or is that just part of guides for rooting without tripping KNOX ?
Basically, I want to be sure that I could do whatever I want to the phone without getting stuck or turning it unusable because of KNOX. my current phone is a Nexus 4 and it has been heaven. I want to preserve this feeling
thanks for the help guys, appreciate it!

Did you tried Towelroot method for rooting your device? I heard that doesn't trigger knox..

I would imagine my rooting the phone is the least of my worries.
as far as I know - and this is one of my questions - flashing a custom recovery and or rom will 100% trip KNOX.
not that I care, I just need to know if this is true..and my other questions as well
thanks!

A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you

I've heard tales of people having issues flashing modems when knox is triggered. I have not checked that out for myself Joe have I searched any further into the matter.
I plan on breaking knox soon though because screw knox.
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chainbr3ak said:
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
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This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?

Amornik said:
This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
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You can, but you will always have problems like network, connection,calls, bugs and so on
Samsung devices do not provide the old pleasure as previously
Knox killed freedom of developers and people who like customizations

I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?

Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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No, KNOX tripping is only at the moment a warranty void solution for samsung. its like the flash count flags.
basically if you trip knox. you're already in it. you do what you want

Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.

Dark_Avenger said:
I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
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Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?

Amornik said:
Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
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Exactly, but with full stock image flush (including bootloader). The full stock tar.md5 form sammobile includes the modem/bootloader/rom. I think that the important thing is to have a modem which is compatible with the bootloader (same version). Didn't try to mix different bootloader/modem(baseband) versions.

Tripping KNOX will only disable the feature which allows you to store some data on a encrypted part of the device (Mostly comercial use) when KNOX is tripped any data stored on the 'special' partition is destroyed.
So there are only 2 things that will be affected, your warranty (Not a problem in Europe) and the special partition that I explained earlier.
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Thanks guys, excellent replies !
So...I did it !
I went and bought a brand new S5, and tripped KNOX within the hour. Man, did it feel sooo good !
custom recovery up, rom up, here we go!

About rooting galaxy s4

Hello,
I was wondering if the application "kingroot" is a good and trustable option to trust my device?
I also saw a site "oneclickroot.com" that looked intresting but after research I saw it's not trustable that they are out of your money.
Or what would you guys advice me?
It's not for intalling roms and so on. Just for other options that I want to root my device.
Greetings

CF-Auto-Root. It's the only way to go. And you can't without a PC.

ah owkey, and "kingroot" is unsafe then?
Oh and what about unrooting the device is that also possible with cf auto root?

And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/

Avanox said:
And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/
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Towelroot will simply not work on 5.0 (will reboot the phone after a while from clicking "make it ra1n" but no root access delivered)
For 4.4 you need GNF1 or older kernel for it to work - see HERE if you have newer version but still KK.

Ah ok and kingroot is also no option?
I m searching for the easyest way.
And is your way also possible to unroot?

The easiest way is CF-Autoroot, period. Flash it with the Odin software, let it deliver its payload, and you're done. If you want to unroot afterward, simply uninstall SuperSU.

Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.

If I use your method and I must remove it with time the root.
Is this the application that I will need to reset the trig knox flag to 0x0 ???
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway
Greetings

I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.

Avanox said:
Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.
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Knox is some kind of security crap from Samsung. You can find more about it in the s4 general section or by googling it.
Knox default status is 0x0.
Tripping knox to 0x1 will voind your warranty.

1. rooting the the device is to have acces to the root of the phone so you can do more with your phone.
2. I want to root it because I want to have following options enabled at my phone.
* Moving programs to my sd card (not possible anymore without rooting)
* More control over 3G/4G/Wifi/Gps (from my computer) when phone is lost
* Set a security code on the phone factory reset (with avast root edition)
* Using less battery to let greenpower auto disable the 3G or wifi and so on.
At the moment this are the most important things for me.
Flashing roms and so on doesn't intrest me now , because everything is working fine.
Greetings Avanox
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.
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Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Ah owkey np.
Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox

So apparently you're still on Android 4.4.2, since Android 5.x removed the MicroSD card restriction. Is that correct?
As long as you are NOT on Android 5.x, you can root without tripping Knox, by downgrading the bootloader and modem to an earlier version, then running Towelroot. The drawback is that you won't be able to upgrade to Android 5.x. OTA updates won't function, and using Odin to upgrade wipes the /system partition, which will cost you root.
Regardless of the warranty, I personally would trip Knox and not lose any sleep over it.

Hey
Sorry for my double post.
Euh no, android 5.0.1 was already pre installed on this phone.
It is galaxy s4 black edition gt-i9515
Hmm maybe I must wait for a moment maybe there will come new safer methods
Greetings

The fact you have a value edition S4 changes things. You might as well flash CF-Autoroot now, because there are no safe methods for you. There are no custom ROMs either, but I digress.

@darrendude1: Rule number 1 of this site is to search before you post. The entire reason the rule is present is to avoid having people ask the same questions over and over again, simply because the question has likely been already answered. It applies regardless of whether you are a noob, senior member, recognized developer, or any other title the site may bestow.
In the case of the OP, you clearly didn't read the thread, because I explained to the OP exactly why I asked the questions. He understood why I asked them, and from there we have continued the conversation. To a noob, I would hope they would take rule 1 to heart, and actually did some research into what root is so they could actually explain why they think they need it.

Root without tripping knox?

I have done a search (with little sucess) to find anew answer to if I can root my s7 edge without tripping knox? I have a EE UK 820 model
Any help or if you could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated
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1iam5mith said:
I have done a search (with little sucess) to find anew answer to if I can root my s7 edge without tripping knox? I have a EE UK 820 model
Any help or if you could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated
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There is no way to have ROOT without tripping Knox.
Once you trip Knox you cannot un-tripped it.
That's why you were unsuccessful in all your searches.
Good luck, have a great day!

Yep, unfortunately there's no way possible to do this. You either root and trip knox permanently, or not at all.

Was wondering if anyone has even tried rooting s7 edge on u.s. cellular?
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1iam5mith said:
i have done a search (with little sucess) to find anew answer to if i can root my s7 edge without tripping knox? I have a ee uk 820 model
any help or if you could point me in the right direction it would be appreciated
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you cant root without tripping knox on any marshmellow firmware

So as i get it, without root we can't install/use Titanium Backup???

there are specialist shops that have expensive boxes to erase this knox trip once you have tripped it. Im not sure if they work for S7 EDGe YET. They exist though and it IS POSSIBLE. Just as its possible to change your IMEI (repair) or other things the legality and available is per device and country, so check into it, spend a few weeks searching with at least 4 to 6 hours a day and you will find something and someone to contact who MAY be legitimate or a fraud, you wont know until you try.
Also if you fancy learning how to do chip erasures and programming you could buy a 2000-5000$ chip programmer and learn how to program chips yourself, you might need to desolder the original and replace it or could just be a simple flash.
Even if its something as protected as certain STmicro devices, you can still decapsulate the chip and probe the gates for the logic with a microscop. Bottom line is if MAN makes it, MAN can break it. Everything is possible, never give up.

Well, rooting without tripping knox is not possible at the moment.
Apart from philosophical suggestions about never giving up - I agree in general, but this time it'd be too much - root could be available in future if an engineering bootloader leaks out or if a kernel vulnerability is found.
The second chance is not something I would await very soon, since the update policy has been implemented on a monthly basis and every hole will be very likely closed ASAP.
Chances are that some employee at Samsung lets a signed engineering bootloader leak...It has already happened in the recent past. If so, root without tripping knox would be possible.

Sadly, it is not possible yet, and maybe it's better that way...

Is there any change to this folks? I keep reading various pages saying that it's possible but they don't seem very credible.

Scott M said:
Is there any change to this folks? I keep reading various pages saying that it's possible but they don't seem very credible.
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I'm about to find out!
https://www.androidexplained.com/galaxy-s7-root-verizon-att-t-mobile-sprint/4/