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This has happened to me numerous times and i'm wondering if its a common issue:
You receive a call and you cant slide the slide the slider to accept the call for the life of you. A sew seconds later you get a dialog saying that the Dialer app is not responding; Force close /Wait.
This usually happens when you're trying to load a web page or playing a game. (anything processor intensive)
Is there a fix for this? Maybe set the priority of the dialer process higher if you have root ?
britoso said:
This has happened to me numerous times and i'm wondering if its a common issue:
You receive a call and you cant slide the slide the slider to accept the call for the life of you. A sew seconds later you get a dialog saying that the Dialer app is not responding; Force close /Wait.
This usually happens when you're trying to load a web page or playing a game. (anything processor intensive)
Is there a fix for this? Maybe set the priority of the dialer process higher if you have root ?
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this happened a lot with G1... but never with Nexus One. I even watched movies or listened to music etc., and still the call will come through immediately.
I wonder how many apps you have installed, and how much memory you have left?
Cleaning up all unnecessary apps you never use + checking all automated services (such as feed readers, news/weather updaters, Email probers, etc. should be set to decent times (e.g. my news feed reader never loads news automatically, only on app start, weather updates every 4 hours, etc.)
I have a LOT of apps installed (around 180). Only about 20MB internal disk space left.
In fact I frequently need to uninstall apps to install new ones
I don t have a lot of apps running. Usually about 40-50MB RAM free.
britoso said:
I have a LOT of apps installed (around 180). Only about 20MB internal disk space left.
In fact I frequently need to uninstall apps to install new ones
I don t have a lot of apps running. Usually about 40-50MB RAM free.
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WOW WOW WO
180 apps? How can you possibly make use of them all? I have 120 right now, and already feel it's too much (like... do we really ever use Google Goggles, or Finance?, or Wikitude, or... or...)
I have about 90MB internal disk space left, and I don't want to go much lower than that
But I guess what's killing you is that a lot of these apps, although maybe not running permanently, will wake up from time to time, to check your location, to update this or that, to do this or that....
I would try to reduce the number a lot and see whether the problem goes away, maybe say at 50MB internal space.
I always tell myself, even if it's cool to show off an app to a friend, if I don't really use it a lot or at all, I can delete it and always install it again if I want to - that's the beauty of the market (also paid apps remain paid, and can be redownloaded for free, unless you have refunded them).
hope it helps
another thing that could give you another 40MB, + using the second memory bank which is currently not in use on stock is to root the phone and flash cyanogen's CM 5.0 beta5 (or wait until it's out of beta).
That's maybe why I have 90 MB left at 120 apps, and you have only 20 MB left at 180 apps.
This would also provide more RAM, and you could run smoother with the number of apps open.
but just do the rooting if you really want to, as it voids warranty
shmigao said:
another thing that could give you another 40MB, + using the second memory bank which is currently not in use on stock is to root the phone and flash cyanogen's CM 5.0 beta5 (or wait until it's out of beta).
That's maybe why I have 90 MB left at 120 apps, and you have only 20 MB left at 180 apps.
This would also provide more RAM, and you could run smoother with the number of apps open.
but just do the rooting if you really want to, as it voids warranty
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Thanks for the advice. cyanogen's ROMs are very tempting, but looking at the changes it looks like it gets better every week. I think I'll wait for a bit before rooting and jump in at 5.0 FINAL.
I seriously haven't encountered any severe lag problems on all the firmware versions I tried. Also, comparissons with a SonyEricsson XPeria X10 doesn't reveal any problems for my Galaxy S in this regard.
This is not to say that I want to refute the observations done by other Galaxy S owners. I only want to get some more insight in this, so I can prevent my device of getting the same problems.
My question is, is there a sort of invariant between the devices that have a lag problem? Do people with the lag problem have many applications installed (I for one have just a few additional apps on my device), do you have really large databases on your devices?
Maybe we can do a poll about this? Just to get some insight? Suggestions?
The lag is gone with new firmwares (JM5,JG8) for me, but there is still some delay on opening and launching apps (compared to my previos Desire).
First we need to specify what do people mean by LAG.
Mikulec said:
The lag is gone with new firmwares (JM5,JG8) for me, but there is still some delay on opening and launching apps (compared to my previos Desire).
First we need to specify what do people mean by LAG.
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That's a good one. I think, by the way ppl using this term, they mean what you are saying: a delay on launching apps and maybe when opening a window in a app (like for example the bookmark window in the browser)
Maybe a poll can also lead to some guidelines for developers (for example use files instead of databases?)
I never had any lag issues until I installed loads of widgets on the home screen, I have a custom clock, battery monitor, Internal and SD card space widget, and it lags like mad at times. I am 100% confident that if I removed them the lag would vanish again.
Tachikoma_kun said:
I never had any lag issues until I installed loads of widgets on the home screen, I have a custom clock, battery monitor, Internal and SD card space widget, and it lags like mad at times. I am 100% confident that if I removed them the lag would vanish again.
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Interesting, I will monitor that. I generally don't have much widgets installed on my desktop.
Hope we can come up with some "best practices" to prevent the Galaxy S lag problem.
tvcRichard said:
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So if you need ,please contact to me!
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Lol ... now that's an unexpected contribution to this thread. I think you're violating at least 3 forum rules.
The only lag i get is when downloading something from the market. Then the Phone almost stopps responding to inputs. Takes a lot of time until the app is installed. Even worse if i install up to +5 apps at the same time. But it´s the only scenario where its lagging. Widgets i do not have from the market, only the pre-installed. Haven´t found any nice and usefull widget for the moment. And apps.... well 9 pages full of apps And no lags.
The lag is blatantly evident when pressing the Application-Home switcher and then trying to flip through the three pages of apps. The problem lies partly with TouchWiz, which is a crap interface to begin with, but mostly with the file system that Samsung uses.
When both have stock firmware, my HTC Desire shows less lag than the Galaxy S in daily use. however once the lagfix is applied to the Galaxy S, it blows everything else out of the water.
And the Xperia X10 is an abomination unless they've significantly improved the firmware from a month ago. Played around with one of those about a month and a half ago and it was horrendous.
Either way, this has been and continues to be discussed in countless other threads in both General and Android Development. Yet another thread is really unnecessary.
Lag for me is when there is an incoming phone call and the phone wake up but wouldn't respond to touches and made me miss my call.
Or when during phone call I try to search for contacts by pressing the home screen and the phone freezes.
Mind you it doesn't happend that often but when it does it is annoying.
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that's a good idea
we should list all the "lag"
and define if they are really lag, or if it's a software issue
Rather aptly, I had not used the music player since I customised my SGS with all the widgets, and holy cow, the music player was stuttering when playing music. It was like listening to a .rm music file over dial-up internet again. I turned all my flashy widgets off, and lo and behold, the phone is lag free again and the music flows uninterupted.
disable the music scan
that is the first step to reduce lag
The scan wasn't running at the time if you mean the lag I was getting in the music player. But regardless, I confirmed my own suspicion that all those pretty widgets we all love was causing the lag on my phone.
AllGamer said:
disable the music scan
that is the first step to reduce lag
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How do you do that?
Rizlo said:
How do you do that?
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You can find it in the development section of this forum. Someone posted a tip there.
Hello.
Recently I've been noticing my U8800 being really slow even on simple tasks like, opening the Messenging or Gtalk app, using Swiftkey and other trivial tasks and I've been paying more attention to the free RAM the Aurora 4.1.
While taking a closer look to the running apps I found the "Wipper App" com.qualcomm.wiper. Well the name sounds suggestive and the qualcomm in the package name makes it sound important but being curious I tried to find what the app really does but google didn't help much.
Turns out it shows a lot xda posts with BatteryStats and similar apps dumps, a bunch of chinese sites and a few "download insert_seach_string here" spam sites.
So... does anyone know what it really does? Is it some sort of task/memory manager from qualcomm?
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Hello.
Recently I've been noticing my U8800 being really slow even on simple tasks like, opening the Messenging or Gtalk app, using Swiftkey and other trivial tasks and I've been paying more attention to the free RAM the Aurora 4.1.
While taking a closer look to the running apps I found the "Wipper App" com.qualcomm.wiper. Well the name sounds suggestive and the qualcomm in the package name makes it sound important but being curious I tried to find what the app really does but google didn't help much.
Turns out it shows a lot xda posts with BatteryStats and similar apps dumps, a bunch of chinese sites and a few "download insert_seach_string here" spam sites.
So... does anyone know what it really does? Is it some sort of task/memory manager from qualcomm?
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You can safely delete it (I always do), and you're correct, it's somewhat of an automatic task killer. Since android 2.3 it's even discouraged to use task killers, the system does it automatically.
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You can safely delete it (I always do), and you're correct, it's somewhat of an automatic task killer. Since android 2.3 it's even discouraged to use task killers, the system does it automatically.
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Well, but it comes on the default Aurora install which is built from the AOSP, seems weird to have superfluous stuff even when dzo and everyone else clearly showed concerns about RAM issues.
I've uninstalled some less important apps, rebooted and the Wiper is no longer taking some RAM, still I bet it'll show up sooner or later.
Now I have >90MB free and the phone is clearly more fluid. It's been a while since I used a 2.x ROM but using this phone on Aurora with the free RAM below 70MB is pure masochism!
Too bad this phone doesn't come with 768MB or 1GB of RAM... I'm already used to charging everyday so the battery isn't a big issue... but lag and stuttering really makes me throw the phone out the window.
I have a hacker destruction on my life. Has completely driven me crazy and drove my friends and loved ones away. Anybody out there that can help please don't want litigation just payback or finished
On a phone that only has three gigs of RAM, (I got the 16 GB version, sue me) I knew there would be a little bit of tweaking involved.
Both chrome and Firefox, are highly functional, with social network sites like twitter, and facebook.
I realized my applications, were eating up nearly a gigabyte of RAM.
My simple tweak is this.
I deleted Facebook messenger, the Facebook app itself, and the twitter apps
I used chrome to go to Facebook, and sign in, and then saved it as a desktop button. (setting are the three dots, top right, selected "add to home screen")
One click and I'm back in Facebook. No app needed, and no RAM suck
Did the same thing with Twitter, and when I was done, I had nearly a gigabyte of free RAM on the phone, and the phone was seriously faster.
Hope it helps someone. I know there are people who get used to the UI of the apps, over the desktop sites, especially on mobile devices, but I barely noticed it.
It is basically using one app (your browser) instead of several apps. with previous versions of android, I got mixed results with this, but it seems to work really smoothly now
Thanks!
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On a phone that only has three gigs of RAM, (I got the 16 GB version, sue me) I knew there would be a little bit of tweaking involved.
Both chrome and Firefox, are highly functional, with social network sites like twitter, and facebook.
I realized my applications, were eating up nearly a gigabyte of RAM.
My simple tweak is this.
I deleted Facebook messenger, the Facebook app itself, and the twitter apps
I used chrome to go to Facebook, and sign in, and then saved it as a desktop button. (setting are the three dots, top right, selected "add to home screen")
One click and I'm back in Facebook. No app needed, and no RAM suck
Did the same thing with Twitter, and when I was done, I had nearly a gigabyte of free RAM on the phone, and the phone was seriously faster.
Hope it helps someone. I know there are people who get used to the UI of the apps, over the desktop sites, especially on mobile devices, but I barely noticed it.
It is basically using one app (your browser) instead of several apps. with previous versions of android, I got mixed results with this, but it seems to work really smoothly now
Thanks!
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I do the same thing with anything that I can do using chrome, I don't get the app. Kind of pointless really. S you also noticed it frees up RAM, and on a side note without those apps running in the background constantly, it should save a little juice too!
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I used to do that, but I found that being able to share something to FB using the picker menu was more important. I don't use twitter, so that's a non-issue for me, and messenger doesn't seem to take up a lot of ram on my device?
Besides, with Android and other modern systems, unused ram is wasted ram.
Not saying that your experience isn't valid. I'm sure that it is. But for me, I'd rather have the functionality than obsessing over a few dropped frames while swiping through my homescreens.
'Besides, with Android and other modern systems, unused ram is wasted ram. "
True...
Well, I used to use a bunch of apps, now I don't, the phone is faster, and has less clutter.
Can you explain the "unused ram is wasted ram"?
You are saying that maxing out the RAM capability of an android device will not affect speed or performance?
Thanks!
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Well, I used to use a bunch of apps, now I don't, the phone is faster, and has less clutter.
Can you explain the "unused ram is wasted ram"?
You are saying that maxing out the RAM capability of an android device will not affect speed or performance?
Thanks!
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It's a constant misnomer thrown out whenever someone raises the android ram issue.
Essentially whilst it's partially true having lots of ram not being used is wasteful - having your memory constantly full or used up will result in degraded performance and many more app refreshes and less apps stored in memory. Just look at the Galaxy S6/Edge for an example.
There has to be a point where you have enough ram to run all your core applications and enough extra 'free ram' to enable other apps to be loaded and shuffled without causing excessive and aggressive refreshes.
So this 'free ram is wasted ram' is a misnomer based on a partial truth but ignoring important factors that mandate in order to maintain optimum performance you do need free ram to allow new apps and existing apps wiggle room to work / operate.
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That is kind of what I thought. I figured a little balance was good. Basically of the 3GB RAM I try within reason to keep 1 GB free.
it made a noticeable difference in speed, and load times in general.
I wish there were clear guidelines by number, on app load, RAM limitations, and optimal settings to use the most stuff at the quickest speed.
Anyway, thank all for responding. I learn more every day.
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Delete Facebook and Twitter apps? I don't see those anywhere on my XT1575.
Always shun the app and use browser instead if you can. The apps hog resources even when they appear "closed", surreptitiously slurp your private data*, and clog your network bandwidth (using your limited data on cell connection) sending your data to the mothership and serving obnoxious ads - all of which also uses more power too.
There is no such thing as a free app.
* Also look at the recent news about a slew of "free" apps hiding Chinese malware that REALLY utilizes your private data and bandwidth.
The idea behind effective usage of RAM is that apps' core functions are loaded and/or remain in RAM when not running an app. This is supposed to prevent the processor from working as much. Some open RAM is still good to have for those times in which an app or what not is not already loaded. Otherwise the system has to dump some of the RAM usage to make room so to speak. I am over simplifying the process but the take away understanding is the same. You want the system to utilize the RAM effectively by having the most used apps preloaded and stored even when not in use. You also want some free RAM for when it is necessary. Some apps you do have to watch out for though as they consistently take up large chunks of RAM (Facebook was one of those in past experiences).
I'm finding the RAM management on the S8+ and probably therefore the S8 to be heavily throttled.
My device memory is split as:
4GB total:
System and apps: 2.8GB
Available: 600MB
Reserved: 639MB
The problem I am seeing is that I am never seeing memory consumption above 2.8GB so that the last 600MB is never touched whatever I open. This aggressive throttling is evident If switch between a mere 5 or 6 open apps, the first ones opened have been closed and have to completely re-open and re-load even though there is a is about a 600MB chunk of memory sitting around so this last 600MB is being totally wasted. This is validated when I go to the built in memory manager within Device maintenance and it only shows the last 3-4 apps opened as being active. Believe Samsung needs to adapt the memory management to be less aggressive here as it is impacting on multitasking quite severely.
Right now I have system and apps using 2.4gb., Available space 1gb, reserved 639mb.
I find that if you back out of an app by pressing back, it closes and you have to reload, such as facebook, messages, phone, gmail etc.
I find that if I use the home button to back out of apps they remain in memory. Apps like facebook have to resync when I go in but are still in memory.
What apps are you using to have them close on you?
Exynos or Snapdragon? Mine is UK Exynos maybe there is a difference.
I'm multitasking, so using the app switch button. I'm not backing out which closes apps. Processor is nothing to do with apps closing and I have Exynos. In my experiments I'm using the web browser, whatsapp, email, music player, maps and samsung health.
Hasn't it been like that for ages, Jonathan-H?
i can understand the op's point, especially if multitasking is needed, but the behavior described is actually a good thing for a phone. otherwise you can have too many apps eating up memory that you don't want. the phone doesn't know the user intends on multitasking back and forth. there was a time when there were pages of complaints about apps staying on after user moved on from it, so this is specifically something they would have designed for. there's no right answer here short of a full adaptable ai of some kind.
Unfortunately even Pixel is bad with RAM Management. Till now only Oneplus 3 and Xiaomi Mi5s Plus with 6 GB of RAM keep many apps in memory. I had an iPhone 7 Plus before S8 Plus and all the apps were in the same state like when I left them even after one day. So till now iOS is the fastest OS for me because it keeps apps in memory. Even Youtube stayed in Memory and on S8 Plus it reloads after one hour. I guess it's about keeping battery under control on S8 Plus and this is the reason. On the other hand, the first time launch of apps is faster on S8 Plus compared to iPhone. If somehow Android can keep apps in memory and also control the battery consumption, it can be perfect.
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i can understand the op's point, especially if multitasking is needed, but the behavior described is actually a good thing for a phone. otherwise you can have too many apps eating up memory that you don't want. the phone doesn't know the user intends on multitasking back and forth. there was a time when there were pages of complaints about apps staying on after user moved on from it, so this is specifically something they would have designed for. there's no right answer here short of a full adaptable ai of some kind.
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If you never get to use the RAM you paid for then it is not a good thing. It's poor RAM management. We're not talking about it closing down apps once the RAM is even close to the limit, we're talking about it closing apps withing minutes and long before the last 20% of RAM is used up which is a sizeable chunk. And having RAM empty is old school thought which is now accepted to be bad practice and was just a benchmark used to see that your system was not being stressed. These days it's better to have as much in RAM as possible rather than waste it empty and have the system need to reload things.
standard101 said:
i can understand the op's point, especially if multitasking is needed, but the behavior described is actually a good thing for a phone. otherwise you can have too many apps eating up memory that you don't want. the phone doesn't know the user intends on multitasking back and forth. there was a time when there were pages of complaints about apps staying on after user moved on from it, so this is specifically something they would have designed for. there's no right answer here short of a full adaptable ai of some kind.
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For serious multitaskers like me, it leads to the opposite problem: apps keep getting reloaded from scratch and that ruins battery life even more.
I'd like to add my voice into this. I am also a heavy multitasker. I have a set of standard 6-8 apps that constantly keep getting kicked out of memory and closed out of the carousel. It is not a RAM limitation issue as I am, like the OP, always below the limit. It just seems that Samsung made the memory management much too aggressive. I already set all possible options in the OS to control what is monitored and suspended and such, but this made no difference.
Same for me. At first reading this I though I posted this because of the exact numbers.
Jonathan-H said:
. Apps like facebook have to resync when I go in but are still in memory.
What apps are you using to have them close on you?
Exynos or Snapdragon? Mine is UK Exynos maybe there is a difference.
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If it is 'forced' to refresh the displayed content it is not keeping it in memory.
You need to use a device where the issue is not exhibited to see how memory management should work.
Sadly my S8 Exynos can not keep more than half a dozen apps fully in the background without then forcing the content to reload/refresh when going back into those apps, from Facebook, YouTube, Photos, Gallery, newsstand, Play Music.
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I'd like to add my voice into this. I am also a heavy multitasker. I have a set of standard 6-8 apps that constantly keep getting kicked out of memory and closed out of the carousel. It is not a RAM limitation issue as I am, like the OP, always below the limit. It just seems that Samsung made the memory management much too aggressive. I already set all possible options in the OS to control what is monitored and suspended and such, but this made no difference.
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Exactly my issue and I have done likewise to no avail unfortunately.
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The last update of the Gallery from Play Store made it start almost instantly. Maybe they need to put all the stock apps in Play Store so they start fast. About the difference between App refresh and App reload, it's totally different thing. We all agree with refresh and we don't like reload.
Android Doze
The problem is Android Doze, which freezes every app once it's in the background. Solution is simple: Settings -> Device Maintenance-> Battery -> Battery usage -> Optimize menu -> All apps. Untick the ones you need and, probably, they will remain in memory for while. So far, working for me.
so no solution to this thus far?? any root tweaks or build prop tweaks useful to solve this??? or we still have a dump phone