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Here are the first photos I have seen on the web.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/htc-ace-en.shtml#4
(edit: more shots in post #6 below)
It probably doesn't come as a surprise to most of you: the iphone is still king.
It is sad that such an expensive phone with an 8M pixels camera still makes such poor pictures in 2010/2011, when my 10 years old 3M pixels Fuji camera (which is far from high end) has been making perfect shots for the past 10 years.
After the iphone with its great camera and the galaxy s with its great super amoled screen, HTC comes out with a new high end dream phone: old gen LCD screen and old gen camera. (Oh yeah, it does have a faster CPU and more RAM - this should make me feel much better, considering the Desire/N1 was almost unusable with its bad performance..... /sarcasm off).
Seriously, there's no excuse when the iphone can do so much better with a 5M camera.
Ok, these were taken with an engineering sample. But knowing HTC, do you believe this can improve when it releases in 2 weeks?
PS: and for those wondering about the video quality, it isn't better than what we have seen from the Desire, but the fps is more stable thanks to the faster cpu: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8202670&postcount=83
HTC simply doesn't give a rat's ass about photo & external speakers quality. That's all fine and dandy, but then they shouldn't label their devices with "HD" when they clearly aren't hd.
It's a shame that Nokia N8, whose only downside is that unlucky Symbian OS, will be cheaper than Desire HD. Actually, it's the other way around, it's a shame Desire HD will be more expensive than N8.
think imma skip this one. In fact, I'll skip all HTC's untill they start using better cameras and better speakers.
Photos were taken under poor lighting conditions, which effect the white balance, and noise and they are blurry (slow shutter speed).
Not the ideal test imo... I'd rather wait for some outdoor performance.
Iphone - King?
was just wondering... since when has the iphone become King of pictures?
I dunno about Iphone4, but when I compare the 3gs with my Desire, the Desire clearly takes better pictures, and in bad light conditions, the Iphone wont even shoot a decent picture (no flash) :/
If someone is the king of picture/video it must be sony ericsson.
Even though, I still think HTC makes quiet okay pictures outdoors in daylight.
Haven't heard of Iphone beeing better at this?
larsn84 said:
was just wondering... since when has the iphone become King of pictures?
I dunno about Iphone4, but when I compare the 3gs with my Desire, the Desire clearly takes better pictures, and in bad light conditions, the Iphone wont even shoot a decent picture (no flash) :/
If someone is the king of picture/video it must be sony ericsson.
Even though, I still think HTC makes quiet okay pictures outdoors in daylight.
Haven't heard of Iphone beeing better at this?
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Well, we are talking about new phones coming out in 2010/2011, so of course I am talking about the iphone 4 and not the old iphone 3. Furthermore, keep in mind that you are comparing a new 2010 Desire with the old iphone 3.
In every comparative review I have seen the iphone 4 camera always comes out on top. It takes pictures that are at the beginning of something worth keeping, whereas the HTC cameras are just "okay", as you say, good enough if you want to show something to someone, but who would want to keep such horrible pictures in their photo album?
The iphone 4 shots, while not perfect, are something you can keep.
Anyway, we'll be seeing some more shots soon; I am still hoping for the best
Some more shots on this page: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=4018&tid=4509706
The 8MP quality is quite poor, but the advantage with such a high resolution, is that once you resize the pictures and make them smaller it isn't bad at all anymore.
I think a good test would be to take a pic with the iphone 4 at 5MP and the same pic with the Desire HD at 8MP, and then resize it to 5MP to compare.
(reload the page if the pics don't load, or go to the above link and then reload the page. The remote site seems a little strange at times)
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I dunno about Iphone4,
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
The video capture is also very good. Even better than those mini camcoders.
Check out the sample shots from the same site.
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/apple-iphone4-en.shtml#8
Saying that, the lighting condition wasn't fair in the Desire HD review.
BigMango said:
Some more shots on this page: http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=4018&tid=4509706
The 8MP quality is quite poor, but the advantage with such a high resolution, is that once you resize the pictures and make them smaller it isn't bad at all anymore.
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very true.
My laptop at 1600x900 is pretty high res, but i still need to make the 8mpx shots smaller to see the whole pic. After resizing the quality looks pretty damn good. Much sharper.
I hate iphone but fact is iphone pixture quality is brilliant compared to any htc phone. I'm fan of htc but do feel let down by their camera, video and sound quality. Having said this I well probably still purchase dhd as everything else they do pretty well im comparison to any other smartphone.
Htc always promises great things but tend to short change thier loyal customers with their cheap skate antics.
Early indications show that the camera in the HTC Desire isn't noticeably better (if at all) than the Desire - have to say that for a high end phone costing nearly £500 this is disappointing at best!
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
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Not sure I agree with that. Most pupular perhaps but certainly not the best. Nokia have always had Apple licked in this department and I can't see that changing any time soon.
One of the big let downs of the Desire for me was the camera and audio quality, if this has not been improved I see no reason to dash out and buy these new models.
Early indications show that the camera in the HTC Desire isn't noticeably better (if at all) than the Desire - have to say that for a high end phone costing nearly £500 this is disappointing at best!
One of the big let downs of the Desire for me was the camera and audio quality, if this has not been improved I see no reason to dash out and buy these new models.
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There goes your problem. The iPhone 4 really is very good at taking pics.
They became the king of pictures since the iPhone 4.
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Not sure I agree with that. Most p0pular perhaps but certainly not the best. Nokia have always had Apple licked in this department and I can't see that changing any time soon.
Right now all I am concerned about is the audio quality for recording. The evo had sucky sound quality from recording video, because of the stupid AMR codec, have they fixed that yet or what?
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Right now all I am concerned about is the audio quality for recording. The evo had sucky sound quality from recording video, because of the stupid AMR codec, have they fixed that yet or what?
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judging from the videos posted here, the DHD records in AAC format, with a sampling rate of 44.1 KHz at 65 Kbps. I think this is an improvement, but im not sure of the EVO's output. If someone knows where i can download an evo clip to compare..
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judging from the videos posted here, the DHD records in AAC format, with a sampling rate of 44.1 KHz at 65 Kbps. I think this is an improvement, but im not sure of the EVO's output. If someone knows where i can download an evo clip to compare..
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Yeah I just now watched this clip of the DHD and I'm happy with it, a LOT better sounding than the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGxi9X3wzo
This is an evo clip I watched, but there are many on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SPR_3wNQ0
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Yeah I just now watched this clip of the DHD and I'm happy with it, a LOT better sounding than the evo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VGxi9X3wzo
This is an evo clip I watched, but there are many on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_SPR_3wNQ0
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It would be preferable to compare with the original clip, not one uploaded to youtube. I'll do some snooping.
edit: looks like the EVO only does 8 Khz compared to the DHD's 44 Khz. Not sure on the bitrate though.
second edit: EVO records audio at 12.8 kbps compared to DHD's 65 kbps. Huge difference.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...evo-4gs-720p-hd-video-camera-paris-in-videos/
If the figures are correct then it's very promising. However the youtube clip is not making me excited about the quality. I certainly hope it's better then the evo but I have lowered my expections as far as the camera, video quality is concerned. This way I won't be dissappointed. Simples.
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The i-Phone may now be good at shooting but it's definitely not the King.
Have you seen shots and video taken on the Galaxy S?
They are amazing.
This is part down to a very good sensor with a nice low 2.3 f-stop making it ideal for low light shooting.
I was hoping so much for the Desire HD but if what is so far seen to go by there is nothing to whet my appetite.
Beards said:
The i-Phone may now be good at shooting but it's definitely not the King.
Have you seen shots and video taken on the Galaxy S?
They are amazing.
This is part down to a very good sensor with a nice low 2.3 f-stop making it ideal for low light shooting.
I was hoping so much for the Desire HD but if what is so far seen to go by there is nothing to whet my appetite.
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According to the dozens of reviews and comparative tests I have seen, the Iphone 4 always comes out on top.
Yes, the Galaxy S is good (most of the time comes out 2nd behind the iphone4), but Iphone 4 is better.
For example, here is iphone 4 vs android video comparison (galaxy s, desire and nexus one): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_v4EJT3aTg (at 0:22 you can click on each phone to get the big video for each).
As you can see, the iphone 4 is far above everything else (but I agree the Galaxy is not bad).
As for photo, here:
Galaxy S: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_p9pmpIdf0q4/TI5bjpyyxuI/AAAAAAAAAi8/tfNGrB8CsGI/s1600/S16.jpg
Iphone 4: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_p9pmpIdf0q4/TI5bi08vgZI/AAAAAAAAAi0/9-6SJY9Bkzw/s1600/I16.JPG
And there's more here (iphone 4 vs galaxy s): http://androidhd.blogspot.com/2010/09/test-iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s.html
Seriously, once you have seen the many comparisons on the net you can only see that the Iphone 4 being better really isn't open to discussion. (and no I never had and probably never will have an iphone).
edit: but I agree, the galaxy s is very good in low light conditions. Many complain about the absence of flash, but it does much better without a flash than most other phones with flash do.
BigMango said:
Seriously, once you have seen the many comparisons on the net you can only see that the Iphone 4 being better really isn't open to discussion. (and no I never had and probably never will have an iphone).
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Apologies and I say this with all sincerity but I don't need to see or read the comments on the net.
My remarks are based on actual usage of the GS and first-hand observations of the Desire and i-Phone 4 operating at the same time.
I don't know who took the shot using the GS but they most certainly did not use the phone correctly... It is exceptionally bad.
All it takes is for the lens to be very slightly to the right/left/up/down of a another shot to pick up differing light patterns which in turn can cause all manner of display issue.
I have no issue whatsoever with the i-Phone's camera, indeed it very good and a marked improvement over the i-Phone 3g.
But from a personal point of view I find it difficult to accept it being termed 'The King'..... But each to their own and I most certainly would not knock your opinion or observation.
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Apologies and I say this with all sincerity but I don't need to see or read the comments on the net.
My remarks are based on actual usage of the GS and first-hand observations of the Desire and i-Phone 4 operating at the same time.
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Well, to me dozens of different testers (some amateurs and some professionals) can't be wrong. Especially when the iphone 4 never failed to come out on top.
And I really did a lot of research on this as I was about to get a GS myself (before deciding to wait for the Desire HD).
But of course, I am glad you are very pleased with the GS. This is the most important in the end, isn't it.
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I don't know who took the shot using the GS but they most certainly did not use the phone correctly... It is exceptionally bad.
All it takes is for the lens to be very slightly to the right/left/up/down of a another shot to pick up differing light patterns which in turn can cause all manner of display issue.
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So lets summarize the Galaxy S:
- Buggy GPS, sometimes it works for some people, sometimes it doesn't
- Laggy phone, sometimes it lags... sometimes not...
- Buggy camera, sometimes it works great for some people, sometimes it doesn't...
Iphone 4: it just works.
Beards said:
But from a personal point of view I find it difficult to accept it being termed 'The King'..... But each to their own and I most certainly would not knock your opinion or observation.
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Well, that's not just my opinion. It's the conclusions of almost all of the testers on the web, amateurs and professionals as well.
By the way, I have posted several supportive links. Where are yours? (just kidding, this is a Desire HD thread after all)
This is for owners only, if you don't have a Z dont rate it.
So guys, since a lot of people have received their Xperia Z, rate your Z
1- Poor
2- Average
3 -Good
4- Very Good
5- Excellent
Also justify your rating. You can add a mini review too. :good:
P.S. I have not included a poll as then all the trolls would vote which will make no sense.
SEFanX10i said:
This is for owners only, if you don't have a Z dont rate it.
So guys, since a lot of people have received their Xperia Z, rate your Z
1- Poor
2- Average
3 -Good
4- Very Good
5- Excellent
Also justify your rating. You can add a mini review too. :good:
P.S. I have not included a poll as then all the trolls would vote which will make no sense.
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I'd rate mine excellent.
Its fast, slightly laggier than my Nexus 4, has better volume in headphones and better music quality too, camera is hit and miss but has the potential to be better than sgs3 camera. Speaker and ear piece could be clearer and louder, screen is not as good as Nexus 4 but is very crisp, just not as bright and a little more washed out. The Brava engine makes things a little too dark and too blue for my liking but I can live with it.
Overal an update to improve camera performance and possibly to add screen adjustments would be a welcome addition but overall I'm happier with it.than my Nexus. Now to compare it with One when that comes out as the one will.have much better speakers, a better screen and seems to have a much better design.
SEFanX10i said:
This is for owners only, if you don't have a Z dont rate it.
So guys, since a lot of people have received their Xperia Z, rate your Z
1- Poor
2- Average
3 -Good
4- Very Good
5- Excellent
Also justify your rating. You can add a mini review too. :good:
P.S. I have not included a poll as then all the trolls would vote which will make no sense.
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5 for sure!
coming from a xperia s its a big improvement!
the camera is awesome and music quality in AUX or headphones --- F'in Awesome!
the supplied headphones are rocking!
that was my justification
and it does not lag at all for me!
heats a bit but thats ohkay!
5
The only problem is the screen in bright sun.
But that is not a serious issue for me.
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4 because of the battery melt like a butter
sorry to be politicaly right (as a sony funb) 4.5
I rate it 2
Plus : Very good materials und Body
Fast
Minus :
1-Screen very bad (not sharp)
2-Battery life is very bad
3-Sound quality ist a disaster
wait for S4
zakwak said:
I rate it 2
Plus : Very good materials und Body
Fast
Minus :
1-Screen very bad (not sharp)
2-Battery life is very bad
3-Sound quality ist a disaster
wait for S4
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you don't have one do you?
I rate it 4 maybe 4.5
but best phone I ever had, but ergonomics could be better among other small things
zakwak said:
I rate it 2
Plus : Very good materials und Body
Fast
Minus :
1-Screen very bad (not sharp)
2-Battery life is very bad
3-Sound quality ist a disaster
wait for S4
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spot the samsung troll.
bet he doesn't even have a XZ!
samxool said:
spot the samsung troll.
bet he doesn't even have a XZ!
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I have the Xperia Z but it does not mean that i have to rate it good, i just wrote my opinion about it , may you tell me how long you can let the screen on? it is like a monster, can you compare it with Note 2 ? no comparison at all !!!
zakwak said:
I have the Xperia Z but it does not mean that i have to rate it good, i just wrote my opinion about it , may you tell me how long you can let the screen on? it is like a monster, can you compare it with Note 2 ? no comparison at all !!!
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of course the battery is not as good as the note 2, but than again my tablet has better battery life than the note 2.
Anyway saying that the screen is not sharp is total BS unless it is a languages problem and you are trying to say something else. Same go's for sound quality BTW
stefanve said:
of course the battery is not as good as the note 2, but than again my tablet has better battery life than the note 2.
Anyway saying that the screen is not sharp is total BS unless it is a languages problem and you are trying to say something else. Same go's for sound quality BTW
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I feel the Screen is washed out, is not Colourful like the Amoled ones especially if you do not look direkt to it , i like the device but i hoped to get something better !
Sony did a good job but not Perfect !!
zakwak said:
I feel the Screen is washed out, is not Colourful like the Amoled ones especially if you do not look direkt to it , i like the device but i hoped to get something better !
Sony did a good job but not Perfect !!
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aha okay that's something different than sharp yup coming from amoled every thing looks washed out, but Amoled has unnatural colors, so I think in some days, if you still use the z, you will come to appreciate the more natural color reproduction , your eyes have to get used to it.
5. Or perhaps 4.5 as the battery isn't the best, so rating it full marks would be a little unjust. But everything else is all I want in a phone. Zero complaints so far, only bags of joy!
So far I rate it 4.5. Not getting any lag, any of the battery drain issues some are reporting and screen colours more than adequate. Speaker position is arse but sound is okay for my use.
Just upgraded from an S2 and not missing it at all. Will be happier still when root without unlocked bootloader is achieved.
Had the phone since Friday morning, 3 out of 5 for me.
Good point:
Good camera, went to London zoo on Sunday. Took over 300 pictures with different settings and light conditions. Pictures are very good for a phone even with digital zoom.
Battery life is good on par with high end smartphones.
Example:
Left the house at 10:30,
In zoo between 11:30 to 18:00, taken over 300 pictures.
Using GPS for 30 mins navigate to restaurant on public transport while sorting photos during the journey.
Battery around 30% left in restaurant.
Sorting photos on the way home on the underground for 50mins.
Battery almost dead at home around 11pm.
Battery had 2 full cycles before visiting the zoo. Customized stamina and low battery mod was on. Brightness was on auto with max 75% using Lux.
Bad point:
Take away 1 point for the washed out screen.
No matter if it bothers users or not. The viewing angle is not good enough for a 2013 flagship device from a major company.
Take 0.5 point for build quality.
There is a small gap on the left hand side of the phone around nail width that is not present on the right hand side.
Normally this could be fine, but not for a water resistant phone (thinking send it back).
Speaker volume is too low to hear out and about.
WIFI is slow, around 10mpbs down, other devices between 22 to 30mbps down.
software -0.5 point:
There is no clear all apps in the multi task menu, which makes clear all apps very tedious.
No notification LED with stamina mode (can't wast that much battery)
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First of all I am not a troll and certainly not a samsung one as samsung are crap end of that! For me the only real manufacturers of phones are HTC & SONY but that doesn't mean I am biased to those OEMs because If they do something stupid or make what I feel are wrong moves or no improvements then I am going to critisize it.
I haven't got an xperia z (my friend does though) but was going to get one until I saw the HTC one. I have had a chance to use the phone for a pre longed period of time
I would say maybe a 3.5 - 4
Plus sides:
Design/look
screen
Audio is good and loud enough, especially with beats solo or over head headphones.
camera is very good but does sometimes have a pinkish hue on things that are red
video audio is good
the UI and keyboard
internet speed
call quality/loudness is good
phone is generally smooth
able to take pics or record video or both, watch videos + take screen shots all when in a phone call (only other phones that can do this are HTC phones)
Minus sides:
while far better than xperia s/t after playing with it for a while it lacks the wow, that i gained when i first played with it
the edges are sharp
Some phones aswell have gaps between the screen and edge of the phone.
loud speaker is good only in quiet environments
videos can loose sharpness at times and I don't mean in low light I mean in the daytime and colours a bit off sometimes.
battery life isn't as good as I thought it was going to be (wasn't expecting anything note 2 like here, which would be stupid)
camera auto focus even in superior auto mode still has that nagging slow focusing at times
Overall it is a very good phone but not one I feel that is worth £500 or £500+.
Infact I don't think I have played with or had any phone that is worth over £400. Also if the rumours about the C670x are to be true and coming out in july, I feel that is a proper kick in the teeth for those who have actually just bought the phone for £500 or £500 plus because imo it means SONY feel that the xperia z isn't the best they could of offered to customers.
Also if this new phone does have a s600 processor, seeing as the HTC One has the same processor and is due out next week, sony could have delayed the Z a little an used a s600 processor.
Guys wait like 2 or 3 weeks to say battery life is bad.. It was the same with XS amd XU, battery life was bad first 2 - 3 weeks.
And the screen is sharp for me and everyone I know, so I don't really get the point of washed out. Colors may be different and viewing angle is not the best, but I don't think you can say it isn't sharp when just looking directly at it.
And one thing I'll probably never understand is why people complain about viewing angles lately, a phone is to be used by looking straight at the screen as far as I know. I really don't get it why one would look from an angle of even 50 or 60 degrees towards your phone.
I'd rate it 4/5
Good development support from Sony and I know some good stuff is coming with the 4.2.2 update
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krabappel2548 said:
And one thing I'll probably never understand is why people complain about viewing angles lately, a phone is to be used by looking straight at the screen as far as I know. I really don't get it why one would look from an angle of even 50 or 60 degrees towards your phone.
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For one thing, we like to compare our phone to other high end smartphones. So compared to other LCD phones such as iPhone, HTC One, and Nexus 4, the Z have the worst viewing angle.
For another, the screen start to wash out around 30 degrees. A 5 inch screen is big enough to be viewed by more than one person. For example, two people sitting next to each other and view photos on the phone will not see the exact same image as I found out yesterday.
The fact is the screen viewing angle is on a level of mid range phone and worse than other high end phones, which will be noticed by majority of users.
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aha okay that's something different than sharp yup coming from amoled every thing looks washed out, but Amoled has unnatural colors, so I think in some days, if you still use the z, you will come to appreciate the more natural color reproduction , your eyes have to get used to it.
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Exactly, I feel that people are spoiled with amoled colors thinking they look good but do not consider the fact that they are unnatural colors and are way oversaturated.
I rate my XZ a 5 - Excellent!
Coming from the Galaxy Note N7000 this phone is a bit smaller but that's not a bad thing.
I'm also coming from an AMOLED screen but you don't hear my bichin about it. The people who are complaining should try doing these things themselves I bet they talk different then.
In the end you won't use the phone your whole life, every few years or so you will switch to another phone, so it doesn't really matter if the phone isn't perfect. Your live isn't perfect never will be, the same goes for the phones, there will always be something to "cry" about.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one-review-912p7.php
Unfortunately, it's not as helpful as it could be:
Only compares phone to other Qualcomm devices (no Apple, no Samsung/Wolfson). And they consistently ignore Qualcomm shortcomings in s/n to other devices.
Don't tell you if tests were made with/without Beats. Both would have been nice.
Would be nice if they did their Android tests with standardized player, e.g., Poweramp or Neutron. But no.
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/cancels order. Switches off the internet.
I read somewhere on the net, sorry I don't remember where, that the One audio is very much like the Nexus 4 - Through the earphone jack
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I read somewhere on the net, sorry I don't remember where, that the One audio is very much like the Nexus 4 - Through the earphone jack
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I hope not. Had a N4 of those for a few days, and it was among the worst music phones I've ever heard. I don't think it will be though.
p.s. Interesting to note how different the GSMarena was for N4 than what others found. It's review stats were not bad. Mine was much closer to the supercurio frequency response chart (See the N4 audio thread), with rapid treble falloff. After that, I take everything from GSM with a grain of salt.
Something to do with the snapdragon chip, I wish I could remember where I read it:crying:
Visited P4U in Market Street, Manchester, where they had a silver HTC One (unfortunately locked in a guard thingy).
The speakers were pretty impressive, compared to my friend's iPhone 4S, Galaxy Note 2 and my other friend's Galaxy S3...And of course much better than my Desire HD.
Only could test music that was already on the phone for demonstration purposes, so it wasn't really a direction comparison, but there's no doubt that the HTC One's dual front facing speakers are louder (duhh) but also clear.
The speakers and sound are so good IMHO that I have been using it to play radio and music around the house.
None of the on-board music seems to showcase the tone and range very well, but listening to some classical, talk radio and pop music just sounds amazing for a phone. You don't even have to crank it up to full volume to hear the quality of reproduction.
It's not going to replace your music system, but playing music in the kitchen or office for example with the speakers directly facing one person is very impressive.
This is one of the standout features for the phone, and I really get why they ate advertising it on TV.
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I find the speaker test on gsm arena nonsense or they have a faulty device because the one is far louder than phones whihc they are tryign to claim it is on par with like the s3, one x or one x+ for example and it is far louder than a note 2. yet in certain test like rining for exmaple they claim to note is is louder no way.
First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition, though I really just want to point out about the display and camera. I moved on from the Note 3 to the Z1 (lost my Note 3, wanted a good phone with a good camera for a low price so I got an Xperia Z1), and here's what I've noticed.
Display:
Well, there's no other way to say it: for a flagship phone, the Z1's display isn't that great. Viewing angles are poor, and viewing it at even small angles puts a whitish hue over it that just doesn't look good. It might be good for privacy, but otherwise it's plain to see that they're using an inferior IPS tech than other manufacturers. The Note 3 or the Nexus 5's displays are clearly much better, and so is the one on the HTC One from early 2013. I've heard that the Z1 Compact finally has a great screen among Sony devices, so that's great, but I feel that many Sony fans are clearly ignorant of how much greener the grass in on the other side when it comes to displays.
Camera
To be honest, this is the biggest disappointment I've had with the Z1. I don't know if Sony was focusing purely on lossless zoom when adding the 20MP camera, but when it comes to resolved detail and visible noise, the Note 3's camera was better despite no fancy tech and standard sensor. Sure, it has a 13MP camera while the Z1 takes photos at 8MP after downsampling, but in general its photos are clearer and more detailed. I've tried taking 20MP pics, and they just do not come out as great as one would expect (if they focused on lossless zoom, even that hasn't worked out well in general outdoor photos), and Sony has basically squandered a nice opportunity.
But on the flip side, I love some things about the camera. It's fast to open (mainly thanks to the camera button), it's smooth, and is quick to change modes, which helped a lot on my weekend trip with my family.) I don't like that HDR isn't a dedicated mode and is simply a switch when you select 8MP photos in Manual, but other than that, it's pretty good overall. In fact, the quickness and the shutter button are what make me ignore the fact that in quality I've come down to a noticeably not-so-great-at-capturing-detail camera (the Note 3 took ages to select modes, open the camera app, and open pictures.)
That's something that's true in Sony's software overall: it's beautiful, sleek, and quick and responsive. I do miss some features from the Note 3 (Multi-Window, Smart Stay (extremely useful when you can't be bothered touching the screen to keep it awake), some camera modes, and the better multitasking (my Z1 is abysmal at holding apps in memory, and not because it's just 2GB of RAM.) It feels good to use, and that's a pretty good thing.
But again, the screen and camera have let me down considerably. Again, on the flip side, I love the phone's build (though it's a bit too bulky, but then it is waterproof), and things like the lanyard slot and camera button (conveniences manufacturers have forgotten in their quest to copy and follow Apple since the first iPhone arrived on the market).
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to. The pricing is great, though, but I kinda don't think I'd want to save a few bucks next time I want a phone, not unless Sony focuses on making the hardware more complete regarding awesomeness.
Sorry for the rant, and again, I wasn't bashing, overall I like my Z1, just don't love it (yet)!
P.S.: My Galaxy Gear is also now sitting idle, but I guess we can blame Samsung for making its watch incompatible with other devices. It's a useful watch, but not in use anymore. There is a hack to make it work with others, I tried it with the Z1, but most stuff just doesn't work. So I guess I'll buy Sony's smartwatch next. :silly:
P.P.S.: I hope KitKat comes soon. I like that Sony takes time to test its software, but with Samsung and HTC moving pretty quick with KitKat despite having heavy skins, and Samsung has even managed to not introduce any quirky bugs (they disabled third-party accessories, but an update over the weekend reversed that), I really want KitKat to come quick. I want wireless printing support (Samsung had this even before KitKat, one of the few reasons I appreciate Samsung's bloat sometimes, it has some useful features), and it might also solve the issue of lack of RAM on the Z1, even if only a little bit.
This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.
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This is what you do on Sunday afternoon? We know Z1 is not best like expected.
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It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)
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It's Sunday night where I am, and I had to get my thoughts out there after using the Z1's camera extensively the last two days (I bought the phone on Thursday.)
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Saturday Night? You should be in some club! ..ahah...just kidding...I know...I am really disappointed by the camera too....what I can surely said is that the problem of the camera quality is related to the Software, but I don't know if we will get better pictures. Many telling me that the Z1 make amazing pictures but mine is not fake and I still not get clear pictures like it should be. Full of Noise, and with Unlocked Bootloader get even worse.
I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
So in the end it's clear that "the best of Sony" just isn't the right thing to say when your tech is behind the competition in some things and just isn't as great as owners of flagship devices of the competition have become used to
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Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there
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First, I'd like to say that I'm not trying to hate on Sony or bash them, just pointing out that what they call "the best of Sony" isn't exactly great or better than the competition
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Uh huh.
My advice to you, since it appears you wrote this to practice the writing career you're hoping to have, is to consider other career options. You're not good at this.
learn to make the picture and you will find Z1 camera is great. all the comparatives with Note 3 and the other smartphones take Z1 on the top of Android world
display is very good. poor viewing angle are not a gap, but I can assume it is subjective.
when I watch photos and videos on Z1 display they are much nicer than on other displays.
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I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points, but these type of complaints come up with every phone out there.
The HTC One has exactly the same Camera complaint that you do. The UltraPixel was a big disappointment for some. The thing about the Z1's camera is that it CAN be improved. The camera is actually extremely good if you use it in manual, and the pictures that come out are the best I've seen on an Android phone. Superior Auto is a bit of a mess though. That's a software problem, not hardware, so we hope kitKat can fix that.
The display is a valid complaint, but I feel head on it's better than the Note 3. The Z1 has one of the most color accurate screens out there, which I prefer over AMOLED oversaturation. The viewing angles personally for me isn't a problem but yes, it is a negative about this phone.
Well, the Z1 IS the best of Sony...not sure what you're trying to say. I still feel like the Z1 is one of the best phones out there. Although lacking in some parts, the overall package is hard to beat: Snapdragon 800 processor, great battery life, great camera (Yes the camera is still very very good, just not as good as advertised), and best of all premium feeling. There is really no other phone that has all that together in one package right now. The Note 3 is better in some respects but for me feels cheap, and that is a HUGE con for me that overshadows anything else. The Nexus 5 has meh battery life and camera. The HTC One has a meh camera and lower end specs. The Galaxy S4 is no longer talked about when discussing high-end phones.
The point is there's no 'perfect' phone, and I concede that the Z1 does have weaknesses, but so does every other electronic device out there
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Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.
A lot on that list are gimmicks and a few items there are disputable. If HTC were as ahead of everyone as you make them appear to be, then that's extremely incongruent to the terrible shape the company is in.
Another "OMG Sony why did you do this to me" thread.
Sony rules!!
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Not so sure about that ...
HTC has the best software updates ATM and fastest after Google.
It has the best low light camera + best smart flash with the 5 modes
Average daylight shots
best front cam with wide angle
The best mics hdr mics
The best speakers
The best headphones sound
It's the most quality phone
It has the best screen in overall
It has unmatched feel in the hand
Ir blaster
Ois
60 fps video + zoe + really working hdr video
BlinkFeed which is still unmatched with copies
Decent battery life
Great xda development
Most of these things aren't yet matched by the competition which is shame imo since htc one is 1 year old and it's still considered the best overall package phone even in 2014 and I doubt anything but HTC one 2 will surpass it which is only a month or two away.
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I don't want to get in a fight about whose phone is better, but everyone's got different preferences in a phone. A lot of the points you mentioned are opinions, and really can't be said in a comparison.
The most 'quality' phone and 'ummatched feel' is extremely subjective.
The Z1 is no less in quality than the HTC One and has as premium materials.
The Moto X and Z1 compact both have better feel, just because they're smaller.
Z1's battery life has been much better for me than HTC One in my experience.
Headphone sound is exactly the same for me. Beats is a gimmick and just a equalizer preset which I can also set on my Z1.
I will admit the HTC One's speakers is miles ahead of the Z1's and the display is better.
Camera as well is a lot better in the Z1 in daylight, but I remember you're the guy who wrote that HTC One vs Z1 camera test and I don't want to get in a fight again about that, so I won't go there. HTC One's better in low light, but the Z1 isn't that bad either.
The Z1's camera has a ton more features as well that are pretty cool to play around with. Gimmicks? Sure, but they're still fun. Also the Z1's viewfinder is much smoother.
All front facing cameras suck equally and don't believe there's a 'best' front facing camera.
edit: Oh, also concerning updates: This is the first time HTC have actually done well with updates. We'll see a year from now how they treat HTC One users. One X and One X+ users are stuck with official 4.2 while the Xperia T, which came out around the same time+, just got updated to 4.3. Sony might be slower at giving updates but they support their phones longer.
See, I just refuted half of your points. Of course you will disagree with me, but that's what's great about Android: everyone has different preferences and different opinions on what's the best. The HTC One is a fantastic phone and is my number 2 after the Z1, but it's still not the best for me. Nothing wrong with that.
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What exactly is gimmic ?
Ir blaster is very useful
Ois is very helpful in low light / movement or any other type of using the camera / 60 fps video is smooth as camera app on z1 and looks like you're looking thru the glass when watching an video / hdr video is awesome as well at low light , so is the zoe especially if you wanna take out some snaps after which are full sized , I forgot slow motion video as well which is fun tho.
Smart flash is very useful indeed and can take photos from 5cm in pitch black up to 10 meters , with the walls it can go even further
Stereo frontal speakers ...how is this a gimmic lol , anything you do on a phone sounds crazy good + loud + it hits you in the face.
Full metal body is always a good thing , it screams premium ...
Feel in the hand indeed is unmatched due metal + device shape
hdr mics pick up the sound you wouldn't believe that the phone is doing it.
I've forgot also talking via phone is unmatched as well , you get stereo sound + you can talk in super loud environment perfectly fine.
Headphones sound wouldn't be a gimmic as well lol ... Ppl just use that ...on daily bases ..
Software updates is definitely not an gimmic we all want fast and working updates ASAP ,which is not the case with the Sony , it's far from it.
Xda development for me personally is very important since I love to flash + the fact HTC one has about 9/10 times more development it's a must have for me.
The only gimmicky thing would be if you don't like the the BlinkFeed that'd be all which can be turned off.
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We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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lol
I had Xperia z1 , camera sucked , phone was too hot and screen is utter **** , so I changed to HTC one for the same stuff you wrote here!
Honestly I am huge fan of HTC but actually I do not brought HTC One, which was cheaper, just because there is no micro SD Slot, and when Apps to SD will be available on Z1, or even Apk on internal and Data on SD on Custom Roms, I will not have regrets to have Z1.
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We have to open a thread " @@Shan89 VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
FIGHT!
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Nah mate it ain't fight Lol. I was just pointing that there are devices which are quite more complete. Of course I can't think of anything else besides z1 that comes equal to m7 pretty much all devices lack design and quality which both z1 and htc have.
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We have to open a thread " [MENTION=3721363 [user=4914682]@Shan89[/user][/MENTION] VS @kantk20111 " ..hahah..
Ladies and Gentlemen may I present, Shan89 from HTC Section VS kantk20111 from Sony section, Round 2.
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No more fighting lol, just 2 guys who really love their phones alot . For me the HTC One and Z1 will always be the top of Android, with Samsung, LG and the rest way below. Sony and HTC have style along with awesome hardware.
edit: @Shan89 beat me to it
Came from the GSIII and this phone blows it out of the water, so I'm happy.
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I came from htc one to z1 for reasons like low battery camera quality purple tint issue and worst of all its easily breakable body which produced dents on a simple fall
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HTC has the best software updates "ATM" and fastest after Google.
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Coming from a T-Mobile HTC One S and being left hangin' with no further updates from 4.1 Jellbean...I jumped off their bandwagon and upgraded to the Sony Xperia Z1S.
I'm glad that HTC is finally wiling to support their top tier products, but a bit too late for me...HTC lost in my book.
The clear winner (for me) is Sony! :good:
Poor Sony, they just can't get it right. They place dead last on nearly every shot.
https://youtu.be/Xsvxz2XBXSc
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Well my Z5 performs completely differently in such conditions.
This comparison doesn't mean much.
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Well my Z5 performs completely differently in such conditions.
This comparison doesn't mean much.
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Well, yes, you are correct, a different phone does perform differently... but that's not the point and your Z5 has nothing to do with the topic. We're comparing current flagship camera performance.
Here's some daytime and video comparisons as well:
Day Time Comparsions
Video (huge fail when phone overheats and shuts down)
I'm a big fan of the Z series sony phones. It's a shame the X series can't seem to live up to their reputation.
PuffDaddy_d said:
Well, yes, you are correct, a different phone does perform differently... but that's not the point and your Z5 has nothing to do with the topic. We're comparing current flagship camera performance.
Here's some daytime and video comparisons as well:
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Video (huge fail when phone overheats and shuts down)
I'm a big fan of the Z series sony phones. It's a shame the X series can't seem to live up to their reputation.
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Well my post has alot to do with the topic.
Since X/X Performance performs better than Z5.
I mean the settings were strange or the mode, I don't know.
The Sony in lowlight can do as good as S7.
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-X-Performance-Mobile-review-Impressive-results
Top rated mobile camera again. Enough said.
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MGSBigBoss said:
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-X-Performance-Mobile-review-Impressive-results
Top rated mobile camera again. Enough said.
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Slam dunk
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And similarly last year the z5 was also rated best camera in a smartphone
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MGSBigBoss said:
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Sony-Xperia-X-Performance-Mobile-review-Impressive-results
Top rated mobile camera again. Enough said.
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Yes, we all know that DXO manages to be the only source that gives Sony phones high scores. They are able to set up each shot in a manner that allows for objective analysis of each scene. However, their results are rarely representative of what people get on point and shoot situations. Check any YouTube comparison and you'll see that Sony photos just don't look as good when placed next to the leading competition. It's not a trick, it's not just a single review, it's a trend.
But why do I need to convince you. You saw the videos, right? The evidence is all there. The Sony simply underperformed and the overheating issue is consistent with other reviewers well. It's a shame though because we need Sony to succeed. They make great phones and I want another compact flagship some day.
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Yes, we all know that DXO manages to be the only source that gives Sony phones high scores. They are able to set up each shot in a manner that allows for objective analysis of each scene. However, their results are rarely representative of what people get on point and shoot situations. Check any YouTube comparison and you'll see that Sony photos just don't look as good when placed next to the leading competition. It's not a trick, it's not just a single review, it's a trend.
But why do I need to convince you. You saw the videos, right? The evidence is all there. The Sony simply underperformed and the overheating issue is consistent with other reviewers well. It's a shame though because we need Sony to succeed. They make great phones and I want another compact flagship some day.
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Well now you are heavily exaggerating that it's the only review. As others have posted positive reviews as well. And dxo also specializes in camera reviews. I'd trust their review more so than others for camera.
I have yet to experience overheating in any regular use.
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Well now you are heavily exaggerating that it's the only review. As others have posted positive reviews as well. And dxo also specializes in camera reviews. I'd trust their review more so than others for camera.
I have yet to experience overheating in any regular use.
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I trust DXO to know more about what makes a photo technically accurate, but the average person only cares about what looks good to them. A shot that scores well technically may look dull and lifeless to the average person. So many people prefer to compare cameras against each other rather than against some checklists. Regardless of how well it scores technically, ask yourself, does the Sony phone look better than the competition in any of the videos above? The answer should be a clear, "no".
On another note, I should clarify that the overheating isn't a result of daily usage, but of recording video. For some reason, the X performance shuts down when recording video. I might forgive it if it was recording 4k resolution (as it did with my z3c), but there's no excuse for a brand new flagship to be shutting down on 1080p. And it didn't just happen in the link above, there's an entire YouTube video dedicated to timing how long each Sony phone takes to overheat and shut down.
https://youtu.be/TG6oin7x8Rs
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If we are talking average person then they won't see differences in clarity. If the experts of cameras say it's the best camera I believe them. Sonys phone boots the camera faster than the others at <.6 seconds. Higher resolution. And easier to use with superior auto and I don't have to change settings. Have you yourself experienced over heating?
Here's another review that showed at top of Google results
http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...e-6s-vs-galaxy-s7-vs-oneplus-3-camera-review/
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The XP camera is fantastic, no other words to describe it. It's night and day compared to my z5c. The reviews I've read sometimes claim a photo that to me is clearly worse is the "winner", so without a clear methodology the reviews are subjective.
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If you watch videos and take there showcase as Bible then your always losing.
Living in comparisons (grass is always greener) will always give you a negative result.
For me the camera is absolutely fandabydosey.
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If you watch videos and take there showcase as Bible then your always losing.
Living in comparisons (grass is always greener) will always give you a negative result.
For me the camera is absolutely fandabydosey.
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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. If you mean that we'll always be disappointed by comparing to other phones because the grass always seems greener on the other side, then I have to disagree. We're disappointed because the grass really is greener. Its not as subjective as you make it seem.
If the XP looks worse in a side by side comparison, then that means it looks worse. The other phones looked better in most shots. What's the argument? Are you saying the XP somehow looked better from your perspective? This thread isn't about our personal experiences with the phone. It's about how the comparison shows the XP to under-perform when compared directly to other phones taking the same shots at the same time.
Once again, where is the argument here?
I'm saying make your own judgement rather then take those comparisons as Bible.
I didn't hear anywhere in video where he states what setting he used for the Sony. It's not a full blown conclusion in that specific video in my opinion.
Regardless, I'm stating the camera is very good. But in your eyes it's never going to be. 2nd hand tests/judgements don't really cut it in my opinion.
Above all I take your point, there perhaps is some validity in your video link, however I would ask you perform a full blown side by side and see if the XP really falls drastically short when comparing with other devices.
Didn't come here to lay down an argument. Just chime in with my opinion.
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http://www.slashgear.com/sony-xperia-x-performance-review-01450018/
Another great and fair review. To say there's only one source is ridiculous when I've shown time and time again the device is well worth the money.
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http://www.slashgear.com/sony-xperia-x-performance-review-01450018/
Another great and fair review. To say there's only one source is ridiculous when I've shown time and time again the device is well worth the money.
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Sigh... Yes, another camera review that takes a few photos and says they look good. No one here doubts that a flagship phone can take good pictures. The site you link does not do a side by side comparison which is what this thread is about. Side by side, Sony doesn't seem to keep up with the competition.
It's funny, in the Z3 and Z5 sections, most members actually reached that same conclusion on there own regarding those respective devices. Why is this section so sensitive?
Instead of arguing about this, I was hoping people would actually comment on the comparison.
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The Xperia Perfomance X camera pretty much destroys the competition. Great colors, well outlined detail without resorting to abuse of post-processing like the generally bad S7 photos and great exposure. The XXP at ISO 3200 beats the S7 at ISO 1250 like a champ. Z1+ line already outperformed S7 in most areas but XXP takes it to a new level. Pretty much a generational leap. Very impressed!
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The Xperia Perfomance X camera pretty much destroys the competition. Great colors, well outlined detail without resorting to abuse of post-processing like the generally bad S7 photos and great exposure. The XXP at ISO 3200 beats the S7 at ISO 1250 like a champ. Z1+ line already outperformed S7 in most areas but XXP takes it to a new level. Pretty much a generational leap. Very impressed!
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Is that the results you saw in this comparison video?
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Is that the results you saw in this comparison video?
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That is the real life results I saw. Beats a 1080p 8Mbit/s encoded Youtube video of medium encoding quality by miles.